Jim Root

McCloy and Taylor?

Ultimate insiders displayed below in bold characters.....Taylor in his own words:

http://books.google.com/books?id=8OuChkvEj...aylor#PPA123,M1

Swords and Plowshares

By Maxwell D. Taylor

....I had begun to get the grasp of my job in Heidelberg when a series

of events occurred which eventually caused the Taylors to move from the

Neckar to Berlin. The end of the Berlin blockade on May 12 was followed

by a series of administrative changes which ended the postwar military

government of West Germany and substantiated a civilian High Commission

representing the United States, the United Kingdom, and France. General

Clay, who had been the American Commander and Military Governor with

headquarters in Berlin, retired from the Army covered with honors

and John J. McCloy became High Commissioner with his office in Frankfurt.

These changes posed the question of how the Allies would henceforth

exert their authority in West Berlin. Although the termination of the block-

ade had raised high hopes that better days were ahead for the city, the Soviets

soon demonstraged that the Cold War was by no means at an end.

They began with a series of new harassments directed at the communications

bewteen the city and the West which, though less spectacular than

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the blockade, were nevertheless serious in their effects. They were evidence

to the Berliners that the Soviets had not swerved from their long range

goal of extending their control over the entire city and making it the

capital of the so0called German Democratic Republic to be set up in the

East. In the face of this renewed threat, the question was how best to organize

the Allied representation in Berlin to frustrate the Soviet political offensive.

It was in the context of these developments that McCloy asked for my

assignment as the senior U.S. representative in the city. I had known

McCloy since prewar days, when he was Assistant Secretary of War under

Henry L. Stimson, and I welcomed the opportunity to work with him

again. In due course, I was relieved from my post in Heidelberg and

proceeded to Berlin to set up my new establishment.

Having arrived in Berlin, I drew up a plan for the organization of my

office which was eventually called the Headquarters of the U.S. Commander,

Berlin, quickly shortened to USCOB. Despite Biblical warnings against

serving two masters, USCOB worked concurrently for the High Commissioner

and the U.S. Army Commander, Europe. In the first capacity, he was the

personnel representative of the High Commissioner in Berlin. In the second,

he was a deputy to General Handy, now commanding in Heidelberg, and

responsible to him for all American military activities in the city.....

http://books.google.com/books?id=8OuChkvEj...aylor#PPA124,M1

...As he set us to work, the President indicated his intention to limit his

advisers generally to the small group which later formalized as the

Executive Committee of the National Security Council (EXCOMM). It

consisted of Vice-President Johnson, Secretary of State Rusk, Secretary

of the Treasury Dillon, Attorney General Kennedy, CIA Director McCone,

Undersecretary of State Ball, Deputy Secretary of Defense Gilpatric,

Ambassador-at-Large Thompson, Special Counsel Sorenson, Mac Bundy, and

myself.

These men, joined occasionally by nonmembers such as Adlai Stevenson, Dean Acheson,

Robert Lovett, and John McCloy, lived and worked together almost around the clock

throughout the secret crisis. We assembled surreptitiously two or three times a day,

slipping in the southwest gate of the White House to avoid notice and hiding our cars

in the State Department basement when we met in preparation for a session with the President...

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Thank you Tom

The relationship between Taylor and McColy was actually very close.....tennis buddies!

Jim Root

James

Thank you for your reply.

Perhaps I can pick your brain for a few more thoughts.'

"De Torres was also well known to the Interpen group and had close associations with William Seymour and Dennis Harber. Harber is someone who remains under researched as he knew Gen. Walker well and was a regular visitor. Again, rumor has it that Harber was visiting Walker at the time of the so-called attempt on his life."

I have a copy of a Dec. 2005 email from someone named "Tom" that suggests that in an interview, shortly before his death, Hilaire du Berrier claimed to have been at Gen. Walker's home when the "errant gunshot crashed through Walker's Dallas home." Seems it may be possible that several people may have been around. I have seen numerous pieces of correspondence between du Berrier and Walker to know that they were very familiar with one another and corresponded regularly. Du Berrier was a person that Walker turned to when his "Pro Blue Program" came under fire seeking guidance to understand why he was being "burned" by US Intelligence. Any idea who "Tom" may have been?

GPH suggested to me that Du Berrier was a close associate and said, "Our ongoing relationship with Hilaire D.B. was extensive" in a note where he said Walker had in fact been "... a member of the "Team" which inserted Oswald (and other persons of interest) into the USSR."

Seems to be no doubt that Hemming/Collins/De Torres were all somewhat associated with Walker as well as with each other.

So why do we find these same people comming together as Oswald travels to Mexico City?

And how solid is the official story of Oswald in Mexico City???????

Jim Root

A few years ago, when I visited the 6th Floor Museum, Gary Mack was very helpful in providing me with access to information held dealing with Maj. General Edwin Anderson Walker. On the same trip I was allowed access to the Walker collection stored at the Univ. of Texas. I do not remember exactly which collection it was from but there was an outline, written by Walker's secretary, detailing what had been bookmarked by Walker in his copies of the 26 volumns of supporting commission evidence.

The outline was general...with very little information provided except vol. and page. Upon reviewing this information further I was surprized to find that a large number of the references marked had to do with the Silvia Odio event. A year or so later the Bugliosi book came out and we find that the ONE area that admitidly stumped the BUG was the Silvio Odio case. I thought this interesting that both Walker and Bugliosi seemed to find some common interest in this subject but at the time I filed this information away and have not had cause to reconsider it until the past couple of days.

Believe me I am no expert on the subject of Silvia Odio but a quick review brings up the names of Bernardo De Torres and Edwin Collins. These two men, it seems, may have been the two persons that accompanied "Leon" (assumed to be Oswald) to the home of Silvia Odio.

Without revealing my complete interest I am drawn to the fact that it seems that Gerry Hemming was involved closely with both Collins and De Torres.

Without reinventing the wheel does this seem to be the accepted consensus, that Hemming was involved with these men?

If so this new avenue seems to potentially support another thread of my patchwork assassination story.

It seems that Hemming is a man that knew both MG Walker and had met Oswald prior to Oswald departing for the Soviet Union. If Hemming was also associated with two men that were with Oswald when he visits Odio it would seem possible that all these people may fit into one "compartment" or series of intelligence "compartments" that are connected and that they were Oswald's fellow travelers as Oswald journeyed toward Mexico City.

Of course this supports where I have been going with my research but where it then leads may surprize alot of people. For myself it sheds light on a speculated upon but missing piece to my puzzle.

Please provide any thoughts/leads that any of you may have on the Silvia Odio/Collins/De Torres/Hemming connections.

Jim Root

And I second that notion... thanks Jim for your excellent investigation into key individuals and a very thoughtful analysis. Your work ties together some larger 'strings' and - for me - makes sense of the important historical events (i.e. Cuba, Cold War, BOP, the missile crisis, McCloy and the Warren Commission, Vietnam, oil interests, JCS generals) on the periphery of the assassination. It has always been my 'thesis' that an understanding of the major political events surrounding 1963 (the 'bookends' so to speak) would provide insight as to not only who killed the president but more important, why he was murdered. Call me superstitious, but the significance of November 22nd for military professionals is quite a tempting coincidence... and Ian Fleming had some interesting words for those who believe in coincidence.

Gene Kelly

Gene

While I agree that the geo political events surrounding the assassination are critical, it is my thoughts that the combination of persons necessary to carry out a conspiracy to murder a president would be even more critical.

This group, if it existed. would not have been a hodgepoge of haphazard individuals who came together on a wim and somehow preformed a deed that has never been exposed. No! I would rather suspect that this group would have to be a very tight knit group that would have full and complete trust in each other. A trust that would have been forged over many years of working together. This group would also have to have the ability to not only acomplish the deed but to be positioned to insure that any investigation into Oswald's potential intelligence connections would be whitewashed away....his 201 file purged, the passenger list/s who traveled with Oswald from London to Helsinki could not be exposed and Oswald's attempt to call someone by the name of John Hurt would never see the light of day. This would require an intimate knowledge of the intelligence apparatus and the ability to coordinate with military percission. They would have to also have the ability to insure that the assassin, if caught alive, would not live for long (something along the lines of the Admiral Darlan affair).

My research continues to point to two individuals who fit these unique requirements and it is these unique requirements that light the path too these same individuals.

Jim Root

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"How do McCloy, Taylor and Walker survive the next 20 years until their deaths?"

By convincing the American public that Oswald didn't assassinate the President, McCloy and Taylor insured their own survival. Without an examination of the Oswald Walker shooting my trail is never uncovered. Believing that Oswald was a set up Patsy one must believe that the Walker shooting was also set up as part of the framing of Oswald. No investigation leads to no information being uncovered that puts this story together. I believe it is possibly the reason this conspiracy has never been unraveled!

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Jim Root

could you expand on the above paragraph, Mr. Root?

Thanks,

David Healy

David

Thank you for taking an interest.

It is very difficult to briefly explain my research, it is long, convoluted, goes off in many direction but constantly comes back to information that points primarily to two men who had both means and motive to put together the assassination of JFK.

I might suggest that you read my posts from the the past 4 1/2 years to get a clearer picture of my story.

Specific to your question though: As early as 1944 McCloy and Taylor were working together in Italy to control the civilian population behind the front lines of the Germans and allied forces. They came together again in post war Germany where McCloy was High Commissioner and Taylor was the Military Governor in Berlin.

When the State Department found itself unable to administer liberated territories in Europe the War Department was given the task. McCloy soon found himself in charge and the use of news, radio and other various methods of what we might call propaganda were used to insure that the "liberated" populations of former hostile and allied nations were managed in the ways that suited the interest of the Allies/ i. e US Government. They went to great lenghts to learn how to manipulate and manage these peoples in order to establish governments that would be friendly to the United States. Toss in Greece and the establishment of the Truman Doctrine and we bring Walker into the picture running the Greek Desk at the Pentagon during the Greek Civil War.

While most people believe that the Governments of the World try to manipulate the thoughts of their citizens most Americans, while they believe that our government does this as well, do not believe that it can be done to them. The best victim is a victim that does not know that they have been victimized....that is the perfect "STING" when the perpatrator walks away without being caught.

Jim Root

Hi Gene

Good to hear from you again

As I think I mentioned once before the information I have gathered is rather vast and an explanation that draws from my collection is sometimes, because by nature it is a brief explanation, seems to simplistic. But here I will attempt to share some thoughts:

"I also re-read the old threads about Taylor and the bay of pigs. Amazing retrospect... a scheme essentially to draw Kennedy (USA) into conflict with Cuba... my best basketball analogy is the player who sets himself up to draw an offensive foul. Allow the invasion to stall - blood on the beach-head - and then bring on the full scale attack. But JFK didn't take the bait... and he also didn't succumb to similar tactics during the Cuban missile crisis. Fast-forward to bizarre Northwoods schemes, escalation in Vietnam, Central American intrigues. His administration was literally at war with the generals...at war with the national security establishment."

Just a thought....but following the failure of the Bay of Pigs we know that Cuba did invite the Soviets to station ballistic missiles on their soil. Missiles that could possibly destroy 50% of the US population! It could be argued in the converse that Kennedy's failure to act decisively on the Bay of Pigs lead to a potential threat to the United States that brought the world to the brink of nuclear disaster. One could ask that in hindsight was the military correct in supporting aid to the Cubans in the Bay of Pigs operation? As Clauswitz said, war is a continuation of policy by other means and at the time the United States policy of containment was in effect. By failing to support the Cubans in the Bay of Pigs it could be argued that a lack of leadership by the Kennedy administration unleashed a series of Cuban inspired revolutionary movements throughout Latin America that brought misery to millions of lives. Taylor in a speech at the West Point graduation of June 1963 spoke of the "temporary" civilian guardians of the constitution and how it was the militaries responsibility to protect the constitution. Interesting perspective!

"I'm still struggling mightily with Taylor... friend of the Kennedy's, pallbearer for RFK, war hero/JCS Chair.. American hero, right? No disparaging words.. no black marks, no black marbles rolled into his personnel file. Almost too clean... and he quietly morphs into the sunset of the 70's as Nixon and the war die a slow death in our national consciousness. What do they say... old soldiers don't die, they just quietly fade away? But I am seriously biased by the quote of his distant relative who described him as a well trained sophisticated spy."

Taylor was "a well trained and sophisticated spy." He was also a brilliant linguist. In one situation where these two parts of Taylor's life overlap you will find the story of Taylor serving in Japan and recovering a Japanese codebook....interesting that John Hurt was also a Japanese linguist and that he may well have been a person who benefited from Taylor's "spy" work." When Taylor returned from Japan he joined the War Plans group at the Pentegon. He was selected as one of, I believe it was only, six aides to General Marshall in the Old Munitions Building. According to John Hurt there was only a few, too few, officers working in the Old Munitions Building that had a command of the Japanese language (Taylor did a great deal of Japanese translations at time). Assigned directly to Marshall one could speculate that Taylors abilities may have been used to predict Pearl Harbor. Once again according to Hurt's own writings the information was available on the Pearl Harbor attack in the messages that had been decoded but not yet translated because of a lack of translators within the cytological service. George Marshall, at the appointed time of the attack on Pearl Harbor was by himself riding his horse (itself not unusual except that the messages that had been decoded by John Hurt showed that War would quite possibly be declared at exactly that time were available to Marshall). Just moments before the assassination of JFK, Taylor was in a Pentegon meeting with German NATO commanders. According to Taylor's son, Max adjourned the meeting for a short period, went into his office alone and asked not to be disturbed. He was disturbed with information that the President had been shot. Taylor than reconvened the meeting with the NATO generals without sharing the information with them. Once again, as Clauswitz said, war is a continuation of policy by other means.

"And J.J. Angleton was apparently running poor Oswald (Lee, Harvey, both...) A lone nut indeed... a tragic American 'legend' (in all intelligence aspects of the word). Perhaps he is at the unwitting center of everything important that happened during the 2nd half of the 20th century! I'm starting to believe he was a tragic hero... a guy who tried to stop some really perverted bad men, but ended up a dead patsy. What in God's name does Marina Porter really know??"

Personally I think that Angleton may have been a big patsy. The Nosenko case in point....if Angleton was in someway involved with Oswald and his "mission" to Russia then Angleton knows that Nosenko is a Soviet plant. And Angleton sacrificed his career in that belief. If on the other hand Oswald was "a guy who tried to stop some really perverted bad men, but ended up a dead patsy" then the plot thickens.....especially if those who had ran Oswald were attuned so closely to his psych profile to know that if giving the opportunity he would pull the trigger (as suggested in the Belin letter from the CIA). If you read the minutes of the early meetings of the Warren Commission you wil find where McCloy gives notice that he will have to be in Switzerland (I believe) for a disarmament conference meeting. It is at that same meeting where Nosenko defects.

"explain the McCloy letters again, in depth, including the astral significance of 11/22 and Thayer."

11/22 was the day upon which a riot occurred at West Point. Members of the cadet corps, civilian appointees that were using the academy as their personal country club so to speak, attempted to have Thayer removed as the commandant. Thayer imposed military law and justice to remove the political appointees and begin the professionalizing of the United States Military. Many West Point graduates equate that moment in time as the day that the American military became a professional organization dedicated to the protection of the Constitution and not to the temporary administrators of government. It is interesting to note that McCloy and Walker corresponded on the subject of Thayer and that Taylor gave a speech about Thayer, all within one week. Coincidence perhaps but as I connect the three men I find it interesting that this information was left so out in the open that if anyone of them were associated with the assassination then the other two could very well be associated as well. Taking this thought a little further the one man that it does not actually implicate is Walker. In this case I hold open the possibility that he was the "Patsy." If as I suggest Walker was the man who provided Oswald with the information necessary to proceed to Helsinki, Finland and enter the Soviet Union via the Russian Embassy in that city, Walker would not only recognize Oswald following the assassination, Walker would also realize that he could be framed as part of a conspiracy to assassinate the President. Walker would have been the one person not a privy to the plot who would have known that Oswald's killing of Kennedy was not the act of a "lone nut." Therefore Walker needed to be implicated before the assassination occurred. IMO, The "planting" of the McCloy note to Walker insured Walker's silence, especially after the death of Oswald was accomplished (suggest you read the Walker Testimony within the commission files, he mentions that death is a sure way to insure silence.

"Convince me that General Taylor wasn't the ultimate high-level traitor."

I don't think that I could do that. There is an old saying, "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter." If my story has merit then Taylor would have believed himself to be the highest level patriot within the country!

"How do McCloy, Taylor and Walker survive the next 20 years until their deaths?"

By convincing the American public that Oswald didn't assassinate the President, McCloy and Taylor insured their own survival. Without an examination of the Oswald Walker shooting my trail is never uncovered. Believing that Oswald was a set up Patsy one must believe that the Walker shooting was also set up as part of the framing of Oswald. No investigation leads to no information being uncovered that puts this story together. I believe it is possibly the reason this conspiracy has never been unraveled!

"Why was a iconoclast like Walker abandoned for the remaining 25 years, undiscovered and undistinguished for the rest of his life?"

To insure that no one would ever take a serious look at the peculiar life of Edwin Walker, a very odd fellow.

As a side note have you ever read of the early life of Sir Robert Thomas Wilson?

Jim Root

Gene

You honor me with the amount of time you have spent reading many of my posts.

Some quick thoughts on your post:

The trailing of Oswald by the FBI/Helms double team begins shortly after the attempted assassination of Walker and was based upon an event (handing out pro Castro leaflets in Dallas) that J. P. Hosty believed never occured (Hosty believed that if this event had actually occured he would have known about it long before receiving a memo generated by a tip from confidential informant T-2).

Thought: I suggest that there were those that did figure out that it was Oswald that may have shot at Walker......Walker himself assumed that this had occured and that it may have been Bobby Kennedy that let Oswald go...so I don't believe that I am that far out in this thought. Those same people would have been the ones to burn Walker as soon as they knew Oswald was returning to the US because they knew that Oswald might be able to identify Walker as the man who helped Oswald into the Soviet Union. This sequence of events is pivital to the theory. Those who had used Oswald to scuttle the Summit had to cover themselves by burning Walker. When Walker was shot at those same people could slap themselves on the back that they were correct...but now they had a man that, with the psych evaluations you know they would have had, would know that they had a, as McCloy would say, an agent that had gone bad.

I have identified two missions that Walker did during WWII that McCloy took a direct interest in.....but it is the McCloy - Taylor, Taylor - Walker, Taylor - Walker connections that make sense.....I'm not sure Walker was in the loop but believe strongly that Taylor and McCloy were.

There was a sex scandal unfolding in august of 1963 that involved kennedy. If Kennedy had lived that scandal may have led to his defeat in the upcomming presidential election. In a meeting with Eisenhower McCloy lamented that there was no Republican that he thought would make a good President and he was unhappy with Kennedy......He got the best of both worlds.

I will write more as time permits.

Jim Root

Jim:

You are welcome... and I believe you are onto a very important thread indeed. I am still puzzled by several assertions: (1) why did Oswald shoot at Walker and what was the meaning of that episode; (2) why did John McCloy send that letter to Walker, and in essence 'burn' him; and (3) why would a purported 'friend' of the Kennedy family like Max Taylor allow these machinations/intrigues to persist, or be even remotely invloved in them? I realize these are somewhat 'big' questions, but that's where this thread is leading me and I need to put all of this in some context.

Thanks,

Gene

Gene

The questions you ask are not simple. I have spent as many as six hours in one sitting explaining where my research has led so please realize that if I give a simple answer it in reality might require a great deal of background to understand fully.

1). why did Oswald shoot at Walker and what was the meaning of that episode:

Oswald said that he believed that Walker was the head of a very bad organization. I believe that Oswald believed what he said because he had been helped into the Soviet Union perhaps, as I believe is possible, by Walker. Remember Oswald stalked him...went to a public meeting where he spoke, surveyed his home and prepared his wife for the possibility of his arrest. Oswald then spoke at Spring Hill College.....subject....failure of the Paris Summit.....which follows my line of research for many reasons....Did Oswald feel betrayed and used for his roll in the downing of the U-2 and the failure of the Paris Summit????? If so what he said while in custody makes perfect sense.....the reason I'm being arrested is because I went to the Soviet Union.....I’m a patsy. My research suggests that this is all very consistent.....as well as Walker's final interview where he suggests that Oswald was an agent/used by both the Soviets and the US.

2). why did John McCloy send that letter to Walker, and in essence 'burn' him;

The letters are provided in one of my earliest posts on this forum. McCloy’s letter came as a response to Walkers resignation from the West Point Alumni Association. I have located copies in three distinct locations....In the Walker papers in was very near the front of the first box. It was also at the front of another stack of papers that I uncovered that covered Walker's military career. The letters deal with the Slyvannus Thayer Award and speak of Thayer in some interesting contexts. Most important day in the life of Thayers career....November 22 (but that is another story that would take a long time to explain) Within a week or so of those letters being written, Maxwell Taylor gave a speech and used as a topic Sylvanus Thayer and the place of the professional military in a democratic society.....reminding all that their service was to the constitution and not to the temporary persons that occupy positions within the government (ie the president????).

In context these letters and the Taylor speech were all sent/given at the exact time that JFK was changing US policy on disarmament talks....prompting McCloy to step down as lead negotiator and Taylor to fight Kennedy tooth and nail behind closed doors over the issue. Walker may have been doing nothing more than adding to his cover as a right winger....but I remain open on that issue...........

3). why would a purported 'friend' of the Kennedy family like Max Taylor allow these machinations/intrigues to persist, or be even remotely involved in them?

Taylor was very clear in his speech of the time that his (and all professional soldiers in the US) duty was to the Constitution and the protection of the United States.....not to the temporary political leaders....

As a military man, Taylor knew full well that in war there are casualties and he believed in the strategy that had been laid out for the "Cold War" back in the mid/late 1940's. Kennedy was changing that strategy........did he jeopardize his life in his attempts to make those changes.......Suggest that you read of the conversation that Jackie Kennedy had with the Soviet Ambassador at the reception following the funeral of JFK.....I believe that Jackie may have had an inkling of the infighting that was going on in the administration over the issue of nuclear disarmament..

Please feel free to ask further questions but remember that:

"The Commission's most difficult assignments have been to uncover all the facts concerning the assassination of President Kennedy and to determine if it was in any way directed or encouraged by unknown persons at home or abroad. In this process, its objective has been to identify the person or persons responsible for both the assassination of President Kennedy and the killing of Oswald through an examination of the evidence. The task has demanded unceasing appraisal of the evidence by the individual members of the Commission in their effort to discover the whole truth."

McCloy was very legalistic and in many ways very honest in his approach to everything that he did. The above (from the forward to the Warren Commission Report) is an example of what intrigues me. Reading that first sentence and knowing that McCloy and Dulles (along with, I believe, all the commissioners) each questioned James Patrick Hosty......But no one put Hosty's third note (the one that provided information to those in the government with the exact location where Oswald was working) into the record of evidence. Rather than McCloy being a great attorney that missed that one I believe he was a great attorney that did not want that information in the record to be used as evidence. That note would have provided a trail to everyone that had access to the information that it contained..........the note seems to have completely disappreared! Even Bugliosi suggests that the hiding of evidence can be used to prove complicity in a crime....I believe that this, along with the Raleigh Call and the passenger lists from Oswald's travel from London to Helsinki all point to, at best, a failure to examine all the evidence and at worst the actual coverup of ones own conspiracy to assassinate the president.

Jim Root

Jim : "It is my belief that Walker may have been the most releaved man in the United States when Oswald was gunned down!"

Jim, I know you mean relieved, we all make typos.

I'd say 'revealed', though relieved would fit too. Doesn't that say something important?. In fact, a character assassination of Walker is so much easier than building one on Oswald, yet it never, even though known at the time, entered the whodunnit Q to the extent that one might expect an objectively driven investigation might have.

("relieve : To cause a lessening or alleviation of: relieved all his symptoms; relieved the tension.")

Walker was off the deep end, psychotic/sociopathic (psych 101...) even, a bit like a psychosexual serial killer, the snuffing of the most hated 'object' brings relief, (for a while).

Add a dollop of rigid militarism, ie : a longtime trained follower (and giver) of orders, then a resignation to resolve THAT conflict... Perfect.

"...he comes off as a very conflicted character" ... much more so than Oswald, and much more dangerous. A cannon so loose it's way off. However already having won court balttles re slander and being 'The Right Stuff', he easily slithers through the cracks, (with a little help from his friends).

Thank you for correcting my spelling errors. I am a math/history guy and my spelling has always been bad.

Q: Whar are the three greatest tools in the history of humankind?

A: Fire, The Wheel and Spellcheck!

lol

Jim Root

Robert

FYI: While discussing Oswald's relationship to Walker, GPH expressed to me in an email that Oswald's insertion into the Soviet Union was false flagged as an ONI operation.

Jim Root

John

"Him (Walker), having been shot at as a leading opponent of the Kennedy presidency and then partaking in the preparations for the assault on Stevenson a month or so prior to Kennedy entering 'nut country', hanging his flag upside down, making sure the pilots on the plane taking him to Shrevesport, to meet other leading Segregationists, signed his ticket stub, setting in motion the Oswald shot Walker story through the German right wing paper made him an ideal middle man between far right militant groupings (like the KKK which were enjoying a popularity surge in response to JFK's no nonsense anti-segregation drive), and the Louisiana sovereignty comission whose aim was to defeat Kennedy's '63 civil rights bill at any cost."

What you seem to leave out is Marina Oswald's continued insistance that her husband did in fact shoot at Walker because, "he told her so" and the pictures and letter provided by Marina to the initial FBI investigators......items Marina has never suggested were not honestly provided by her.

So either Marina was a part of and continues to be a part of the framing of her husband Lee or there is more to the story than what might be easily swept under the table.

Personally I believe that Walker's reactions in the 24 hours following the assassination of JFK are easily explained, IF we consider those reactions based upon the fear that he (Walker) might be implicated in the assassination of the President......especially if he (Walker) did in fact recognize Oswald as the person he had helped to enter the Soviet Union as part of a very deep intelligence operation and knowing full well that John J. McCloy had recently sent him a letter that would tie him neatly to the conspirators if in fact McCloy were involved.

It is my belief that Walker may have been the most releaved man in the United States when Oswald was gunned down!

Jim Root

Jim:

Your work in connecting the 'dots' of Hurt, signals intelligence, McCloy and Walker is fascinating. All of these powerful military folks surrounding the orbit of Oswald is compelling. The one individual that doesn't fit (for me) is Maxwell Taylor... wasn't he a close friend of the Kennedy family (a pallbearer at RFK's funeral) and a trusted member of JFK's staff? Its difficult to believe that he'd be a part of this intrigue...leading to the assassination. Also, I have always been confused by the legend of the Walker shooting, and its meaning with respect to Dealey Plaza. Could you share your thoughts on what that event meant, and why it occurred? I do agree that Walker was not the simple JBS right-wing nut that he's portrayed to be... and both his motives and actions with regard to seeing JFK out of office are highly suspect. I am also convinced that McCloy is one of the high level sponsors/conspirators that we all strive to identify so as to understand the big questions about the murder of John Kennedy.

Gene

Gene

Thank you for the kind words.

It is obvious that you have taken the time to read at least a few of my many threads of research, once again I appreciate that.

The Taylor connection is an integral part of this story.....if you examine the controversy surrounding the Limited Test Ban Treaty of 1963 you will see the common thread that ties McCloy and Taylor to a break with Kennedy. Although the Kennedy brothers were quick to recognize that without Taylor that Treaty would never have gotten through Congress the meetings behind closed doors show a different feeling on the part of Taylor about the effects of that Treaty on the security of the United States. Remember also that the failure of the Paris Summit (because of the U-2 incident) led to the failure of the Limited Test Ban Treaty of 1960.....an event that John J. McCloy hoped would occur as it did in fact occur.

I believe I have done several posts that connect Taylor and McCloy throughout their careers as well as several posts that show the close relationship between Walker and Taylor.....It is this connection (Taylor/Walker) that seems to have been lost to History. The historical lapse in Walker's military career is, I believe, the result of an intelligence mission gone bad........Oswald's unexpected return to the United States from the Soviet Union.

I will stand by the fact that the timming of Walker's fall from grace correlates directly to Oswald initial letter requesting that he be allowed to return to the United States (a letter that the Warren Commission speculates was never written). Granted, in my story, two letters are very important for it to piece together in a cohesive manner....the Hosty note that we know was written (Hosty's own testemony to the Warren Commission) and is missing and the first Oswald note that Oswald refers to in his second note.....which the Warren Commission suggests was never written. I will suggest that the irrregularities in Oswald's 201 File leaves room for a rational person to speculate that (if my story is close to the truth) Oswald initial letter suggesting his desire to return to the United States created a shockwave within a very closely knit group within the intelligence community that was privy to the Oswald mission to the Soviet Union. If true....the trail of access to that note would lead to those that had been in charge of any operation that would have involved Oswald (and may have led to the downing of the U-2 Spy Plane over the Soviet Union).....and any link to Oswald would show that the assassination of JFK was not the act of a "lone nut" operating in a void!

If my story holds water the two notes....Hosty's third and Oswald's first would have to disappear....we know for sure that Hosty's has.

It is not too difficult, for me at least, to believe that Oswald's first may have suffered the same fate as Hosty's third.

Jim Root

Mark

You stated:

"Jim, my take on the Walker shooting is that the Walker shooting was, indeed, the "brilliant" shot you called it. With the miss, Walker gains credibility as someone who's not merely being persecuted, but as a person whom [unknown] folks are actually trying to kill. And Oswald, by missing, isn't rotting in some jail on an attempted murder rap when the time for the JFK hit comes. Thus, by NOT killing Walker, all the pieces are in place for the assassination plot to play out."

I believe my train of thought is much simpler, perhaps because I am such a simple minded person....... shortly after the missed assassination attempt on Walker the FBI/Office of Richard Helms begins following Oswald. I don't believe the cart goes in front of the horse in this case. The cart being the assassination of Kennedy and Oswald being the horse to carry out the assassination. Once Oswald could be identified as a potential assassin (because he had attempted to kill Walker) a group of conspirators (only those who would have information about Oswald available to them and would/could have known that Oswald would have been the one who attempted to kill Walker) could place their bets on their horse, Oswald, to assassinate the President......without ever having to ask him to do it!!!!!!

According to the CIA/Bellin letter we find that if it would have been known that Oswald had attempted to assassinate Walker then, with the other information about Oswald that was available at the time, it could have been predicted that Oswald would kill Kennedy if given the opportunity. Rather than needing to recruit an assassin all that was needed was to direct a motorcade past where Oswald was working.

FBI Agent J P Hosty's third note provided the information about where Oswald was working. This information, without Hosty's knowledge, was made available to highest levels of US Intelligence. Perhaps the most important piece in this part of my investigation is that that note has disappeared from the files of the CIA. A note has disappeared that, if available, would show exactly eho had had access to the information that it contained. I find this to be a wonderful reason that explains, very easily, why that note has disappeared.....without having to speculate on alot of other scenarios!

Mark, I am not big on the idea of a broad based conspiracy to kill the JFK. Throughout my research I have constantly looked for, and it seems have found, explanations that seem to provide for a conspiracy that invovled very few people.....but those same people would have to have been at the very top of the heap when it comes to directing intelligence assets and having access to intelligence information.

Jim Root

Tom

For what it is worth Lewis Strauss was a good friend of John J. McCloy as was Sir William Wiseman and many at Kuhn, Loeb.

Jim Root

John

You continue to hit upon some of the same questions that have puzzled me for many years. Although I continue to speculate on many issues surrounding these topics my research has been driven and developed based upon some of the answers I have uncovered. These answers have usually lead to additional questions and additional avenues to travel.

""In 1957, General Walker was actually credited with furthering the cause of racial integration after he led federal troops integrating the schools in Little Rock, Ark. Actually, Gen. Walker led the troops only after President Eisenhower refused his resignation, historian Don E. Carleton, author of Red Scare, told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. "He did not want to carry out that order," Mr. Carleton said. "He did not believe in racial integration" (General Walker obituary, AP release, November 2, 1993)."

This statement seems to fit the accepted Walker story very well but upon closer examination we find that while troubled by the problems of Little Rock, Eisenhower was not a micro manager. When Eisenhower made the decision to deploy Federal Troops in Little Rock, Maxwell Taylor (Chief of Staff of the Army) was assigned the task of deciding which unit/s (and commander) would be assigned. It is my opinion that any attempted resignation by Walker would never have made it to the desk of the President and would have been handled at a much lower level making the above statement by Mr. Carleton suspect. It is at this point the story unravels in context to the reality of how the Eisenhower administration operated. Taylor's stint as Chief of Staff of the Army is highlighted by four major historical events that he had to deal with. Two of these, First Straits of Taiwan Crisis and Little Rock were assigned to Walker. In both the Little Rock event and the First Straits of Taiwan Crisis the operation was successfully carried out by Taylor's trusted protégé, Edwin Anderson Walker not, as some would have us believe, successfullly carried out by some disgruntled anti-integrationist who was unwilling to obey orders without question!

The second problem I have had with the accepted version of this story is if Walker was so strongly opposed to integration that he would have been willing to resign rather than being a part of the mandatory integration of the Army. Walker had had an opportunity to resign in protest of the integration of the Army when it occurred. I have found NO factual information which supports any display or attempt on the part of General Walker to interfere with the integration of the Army units in which he was involved. Rather, I have found a few examples where he was adamant in making sure that the opportunity existed for black soldiers to be included in some of the earliest training of elite Army units that Walker was involved in developing. Walker seems to have had no problem in providing opportunity for advancement and deployment of minorities throughout his career in the military! As a matter of fact the development of Special Forces was, in part, based upon the racial mixing of units to provide a force that could be inserted into any hot spot in the world and have the ability to blend with and operate smoothly within any population anywhere in the world. In other words, rather than being an opponent of integration in the military Walker seems to have been a whole hearted proponent of integration.

This is part of the contradiction that makes me speculate on Walker's later pro right career.

""The Liberty Lobby hastened to General Walker's defense, and blamed the Kennedy’s for waging a campaign against Walker to "reduce his prestige" and "asset value to the anti-Communist cause". "

I will continue to speculate that if Walker did in fact have contact with Oswald as he was being inserted into the Soviet Union then the Kennedy administration may have very well had a very strong reason to 'wage(ing) a campaign against Walker to 'reduce his prestige...." The problem is that the Kennedy administrations reasons may not have been the obvious one!

"April 1963 Dallas Oswald is photographed with rifle and pistol holding pristine copies of the worker and the militant"

These two magazines represent two left wing organizations that were in reality diametrically opposed to each other. The Warren Commission uses this particular fact to show how confused Oswald seems to have been in his political beliefs. On the other hand James P. Hosty's testimony before the Warren Commission shows just how precise Oswald was in his beliefs and that the FBI was aware of those precise beliefs. To take that picture further we can say that both organizations represented by those magazines had been prosecuted under the Smith Act for advocating the overthrow of the government of the United States at two very different times in History. Without going into the background of those two separate periods suffice it to say that following the assassination of JFK, Oswald was very adamant about wanting Jonathan Abt as his attorney.....an attorney that had argued Smith Act cases before the Supreme Court. It is my belief that those pictures are an important part of the story that Oswald prepared prior to his assassination attempt on Walker and that Oswald would have used those previously taken pictures in any trial that would have occurred, had Oswald been arrested for the attempted assassination Walker, to underline his motive for his attempt on the life of General Walker.

"Nine days later, on April 9, Walker was sitting at his desk at home when the famous shooting incident occurred.....What would the expected reaction be to an assassination (failed in the dark on a lit window framing from a short distance) attempt on Walker in these circumstances. One could view it as a publicity stunt to show how bad the opponents of Walker were, further intensifying the atmosphere within which Kennedy was assassinated(from a greater distance, more difficult circumstances, leaving an incriminating piece of evidence behind)???""

John, I was also very puzzled by how Oswald could have missed what seemed to be such an easy shot at Walker from such a short distance away........Until I viewed the evidence more carefully.

In a read of the incident one imagines that you would have Oswald resting his rifle in a perpendicular fashion upon a wood fence firing through a window which was directly in front of the desk behind which was sitting General Walker as he was completing his income taxes. In the minds eye we get a picture of an easy shot.

From the actual evidence gathered immediately following the assassination attempt including newsreels that provide visual evidence of the scene taken the morning following the event and aired that day, pictures of the Walker home and alley reportedly taken by Walker and provided to the Warren Commission investigators by Marina Oswald (where construction was identified in the background that provided nearly exact dates of when the pictures were taken just prior to the assassination attempt on Walker) and the instructions to his (Oswald's) wife on what to do in the event that he (Oswald) was arrested for this crime (Marina Oswald has NEVER wavered from her belief that Lee had in fact attempted to kill Walker because, as she said even in her most recent interview, "because he told me he did.") we can piece together a clear picture of this attempted assassination.

The actual crime scene is much different than what is described two paragraphs above. If you imagine a line AB representing the exterior wall containing the window from which the bullet fired by Oswald would have entered the room where Walker was sitting, then line AC would be the wall that the bullet that missed Walker passed through. You will note that the exterior window wall (AB) contains point A which is also contained in the perpendicular wall AC through which the bullet fired actually passed through. Rather than placing the rifle on the planks of the wooden wall perpendicular to the target (and what would appear to be the shortest distance possible from which to fire a shot at a target behind a window) the rifle had to be placed at an extreme angle far to the right of the intended target and fired through the window that was not directly in front of the target but rather at an angle through the paned glass. The angle that was actually fired from allowed for a distortion caused by both the light and the window itself and the use of a scope would have diminished the capacity to detect the panes in the window (if a person were targeting beyond the panes) which the bullet would have to have passed through. In the event, the bullet did hit the wood surrounding one section of the window causing a slight distortion to the trajectory of the bullet which then missed its intended target.

This would appear to be a brilliant shot if it was intended to miss the target but an unfortunate occurrence for the person intending to hit his target!

Hope this sheds some light on my thoughts.

Jim Root

John

Looking deeper into point two, you state:

"Jim, with regards to the second point there are articles/docs of the time having Walker quoted as saying he not only tendered his resignation but also that of his company. It was refused and the order stood."

When I first began to accumulate deeper information on Walker I was puzzled by lack of consistency in his actions albeit Little Rock versus Oxford. One of the keys that I found that SEEMS to suggest an answer is contained in your point of "articles/docs of the time having Walker quoted as saying he not only tendered his resignation..." I have never found an article or document from the 1956 period that quotes Walker as tendering his resignation. If you have found such a document I would love to see it!

On the other hand once we have the Pro Blue article (that overlaps Oswald's attempt to return to the US) Walker's actions, then speeches, start to take on a much different tone. It seems to be at this point that we find "article/docs of the time" which seem to support Walker's willingness to have resigned in 1956. But this is four years later.....

While searching the Walker papers we find that early in the Pro Blue controversy Walker is searching for information on "the why" he is being "BURNED." During this period he is reassigned and then he resigns his commission. It is also during this period that Walker takes the plunge into the "right wing" world of politics while he stops searching for answers to why he is being "BURNED." I might suggest that an interesting quirk in American law may hold the answer (and it fits neatly into my scenario). The United States military is not allowed to spy on US Citizens. By resigning his commission Walker becomes free to enter into the "radical right wing" world of the 1960's and does in fact become sort of a poster boy for this movement.

In reality this suggestion actually does fit in well with Walker's career vocation in intelligence/counterintelligence and would be consistent with his accepting any assignment/command that he was given despite the potential personal sacrifice. This scenario also would explain the reinstatement of Walker's retirement benefits at a later date that was done, after being refused within normal channels, by the anonymous hand of some unseen (it appears) benefactor in the highest levels of government.

If true my suggestion would provide cover for two intelligence problems.... It would distance Walker from any government agencies in the event Oswald, upon his return to the US, could implicate Walker in support of Oswald's defection to the Soviet Union and the downing of the U-2 (and failure of the Paris Summit) and it would provide Walker with the necessary right wing credentials to go "undercover" into the right wing movement in America. It would also placate Walker as to why he was being "BURNED" so to speak. Walker, it seems upon a quick review (as in not in depth review) seems to end his search for answers as to why he is being burned and, like a chameleon, resigns and assumes the roll of right wing spokesman (hinting at his previous thoughts of resigning during the Little Rock crisis).

While the plausibility of this can easily be questioned there is another parallel example that occurred in the Soviet Union...the Yuri Nosenko case. In Nosenko's story we find the Soviet Union agreeing to allow Oswald, his wife and child to leave the Soviet Union corresponds to Nosenko making contact with CIA officials in, I believe it was, Switzerland. Is it a coincidence that both Cold War Super Powers could have their own highly placed intelligence assets both prepare to "defect" their careers and loyalty to their countries based upon such a closely choreographed Oswald timeline? (Suggest you read Walker's final interview for some interesting reading with this suggestion in mind)

Nosenko defects shortly after the assassination (I believe McCloy misses a Warren Commission meeting and is in Switzerland when Nosenko defects by the way) and Nosenko just happens to be the man who has all the information on Oswald in the Soviet Union and is there to reassure the world that Oswald did not in any way work for the Soviets. In the parallel US example, Oswald assassinates the president and Walker provides information of Oswald's previous attempt on his own life, deflecting any examination of a connection between Oswald, Walker and US Intelligence Operations (U-2 Incident????).

If all of this did in fact occur the way that I have suggested Oswald would have to have figured out the connections as well. We find a suggestion that this scenario may in fact be supported by Oswald himself when we examine Oswald's speech at Spring Hill College which focuses on the U-2 Incident and the failure of the Paris Summit....

We also know that James Jesus Angleton never believed Nosenko was what he said he was.....this beginning with Nosenko's first contact with the CIA several years prior to the assassination of JFK. Question to ponder: If Oswald, as Walker would suggest in his final interview, was working for both the Soviets and US Intelligence organizations, but was actually a "Patsy" of both organizations, would both intelligence organization react in the same way and prepare a plausible deniability scenario in the event Oswald did something stupid (like assassinate JFK)? It seems that we can make a plausible case that both the Soviet and American Intelligence organizations took exactly the same actions with people (Walker/Nosenko) that could be linked to the previous actions of Lee Harvey Oswlad.

Angelton would know that Nosenko was not a "bonifide" defector from the beginning because, in my opinion, Angleton knew that Nosenko worked in an agency that would have a connection to Oswald who was attempting to return to the US. Once again you would have such a tightly held operation involving Oswald that only very few would be "in the know." If Angleton was aware of Oswald he would, probably, also know that US Intelligence was having to "Burn" Walker for the same reason. I believe that Angleton's suggestion of Oswald as the "Orchid Man" can fit into this scenario quite well.

Was Angleton another casualty of an operation that involved Oswald that was so big that it could shake the foundations of both Cold War powers?

And, as it seems, the events surrounding the downing of the U-2 and the failure of the Paris Summit were that important (at least they were that important to John J. McCloy)!

Jim Root

John

You bring up some interesting points. Let me see if I can provide some information based upon the research that I have done in this area.

"Kennedy had given an Executive Order that Walker clearly disobeyed."

If you overlap the timming of the "Overseas Weekly" article (and when they began thier research for the article) another interesting coincidence occurs....of course depending upon whom you believe.

According to the Warren Commission Report the first letter written by Oswald requesting that he be allowed to return to the United States from the Soviet Union was written after the research for the Overseas Weekly article had already began. This would seem to indicate that the "BURNING" of Walker could not be related to Oswald's intent to return. But a careful examination of Oswald's letter shows that Oswald states that the letter that the Warren Commission Report identifies as his first letter was in Oswald's words his second. The timming that Oswald provides for his reported "first letter" (that, if actually written, has somehow disappeared from his 201 File, go figure) predates the begining of the Overseas Weekly investigation into Walker's Pro Blue Program. Since we find that Oswlad 201 File activity seems to start with his request to return to the United States, which John Newman (Oswald and the CIA) seems to question, we can suggest, with some degree of confidence, that Oswald's request to return to the Unites States may have stirred up a hornets nest!

If Oswald did in fact write that first note......who would have wanted it to disappear? That is a very big question.....and the only reason that it would have needed to have disappeared would be to disassociate Oswald from whomever was controlling his activities. Taken a step further.....if the Oswald "first" letter triggered the BURNING" of Walker....how big was the operation that involved Oswald? Was it to produce an event that would guarrentee the failure of the Paris Summit (an event that John J. McCloy wanted to have fail)?

Taken a step further....the U-2 incident and the failure of the Paris Summit occured during the Presidential Primary of 1960. It can be shown that in what was a close Democratic Primary, Kennedy rocketed to the lead after the U-2 Incident. The Presidential campaign took place while an international side show was also occuring, the trial of Francis Gary Powers, in the Soviet Union. The news reports were a daily reminder of a failed Eisenhower/Nixon endeavor that Kennedy did exploit with his Missle Gap/Bomber Gap/Soft on Communism rethoric.

Some might (including myself) suggest that without the U-2 Incident and the failure of the Paris Summit Kennedy may not have won his parties primary let alone the Presidential Election of 1960.... Then at Kennedy's first press conference as President(in the first paragraph) Kennedy announces the resumption of nuclear testing and introduces his lead arms negotiator John J. McCloy! Was this a reward for handing Kennedy the presidency?

IF, a big IF I guess, the return of Lee Harvey Oswald to the United States could be an avenue to implicate the United States Army in the downing of the U-2..............could then, even the election of President Kennedy be called into question as a minipulation of public opinion??????? Interesting thought that would provide a good reason to have Walker portrayed as a "right wing nut" rather than the celebrated war hero and dedicated professional that he actually was and distanced as far away as possible from the President.

Your second point:

"He (Walker) had earlier tendered his resignation (refused) before reluctantly following orders in Little Rock in the latter fifties"

My research seems to indicate that this is an "urban legend" that seems to have been perpetuated by the assassination research community in general. An actual study of Eisenhower's decision to insert Federal authority and troops into the situation at Little Rock shows that when given his orders Walker began the movement of troops and was on the ground in Little Rock within hours. The timeline allows little opportunity for Walker to comtemplate a resignation let alone "tender" that resignation to some higher authority and then be dissuaded from actually resigning. Contemporary reports also show that when Eisenhower made his decision, Army Chief of Staff Maxwell Taylor was given responsibility to select both the troops to be involved and the commander to be assigned.....Taylor, according to a Time Magazine article, selected his "old comrade in arms" Maj. Gen. Edwin Anderson Walker to command. Then, rather than being hesident to follow his orders, Walker would be later criticized for issuing live ammunition to his troops and assuring the unruly Little Rock residents of his intention to fire if necessary to insure the implimentation of the orders that he (Walker) had been given. There was an incident with fixed bayonents that seemed to have made Walker's intentions very clear to the crowds involved!

Walker himself seems to have relished the command as well. He was hailed as a darling of the Civil Rights movement at the time but found himself emersed in the gentried society of Little Rock since he himself was considered both an eligible bachelor as well as a Southern Gentleman and War Hero.

To me one of the more interesting events surrounding Walker's time in Arkansas was his sudden departure in October of 1959........just in time to perhaps cross paths with Oswald as they both traveled to Europe.

Jim Root

Robert

You asked:

"We have some shared interests one obviously is Edwin Walker and the Greek desk at the Pentagon.......

Do you think the Joannides, Walker, Karramessines trio has everything to do with why those files were destroyed?"

I believe that Walker was a much bigger fish than the official history would have us believe. Walker is very well connected and pops up in many places that one would not expect to find a man whom official history suggests was just some "right wing nut."

What attracts my attention even more than the Greek desk/Karramessines/Walker/Joannides connection (not to say that that is not of interest) is Oswald's journey from London to Helsinki. They leave out the passenger lists that were available at the time and I, with Antti Hynoonen, have pieced together how Walker and Oswald COULD have been on the same plane out of London in Oct. 1959.

The fact that the day before Oswald landed in Helsinki US Ambassador John Hickerson sent a note to the State Department outlining exactly what a person would need to do to easily receive a visa into Russia via the Soviet Embassy in Helsinki and that Oswald did exactly what was in those instructions seems, at least to me, to indicate that Oswald was working within some sort of operational plan!

Was Walker his contact?

If Oswald was not aware of whom he was really working for and Oswald was, a patsy ("The reason I'm being arrested is because I went to the Soviet Union, I'm a PATSY") he would have a motive to want to kill Walker.....who was the leader of a bad organization.

I do not believe Oswald was supposed to return from the Soviet Union. If whomever in US Intelligence became aware of the fact that Oswald was going to return they had to "BURN" his contact, Walker (?)! But Oswald's 201 File would have to be altered as well to delete all information on him prior to and including his defection (which we know it was).

It is my belief that Walker was dumbfounded on why his "Pro Blue" program (that he had been using for years) suddenly became unacceptable.

Robert, I have had an opportunity to see some of Walker's personal papers....enough to lead me to believe that Walker was shocked and searching for why he was "BURNED." (By the way Walker's copy of the McCloy letter was at the top of his personal papers files that have been restricted from researchers). Walker shows that he knew that he was "BURNED" and he believed that it was the CIA that had "BURNED" him but he did not understand why.......that is, I believe, until he saw Oswald's face on TV after the assassiantion of JFK. It is my further belief that it was at that point that Walker knew exactly what was up and quickly figured out that it was Oswald who had attempted to kill him seven months earlier....and that he could (because Oswald could connect Walker to his defection to the Soviet Union) be implicated in the assassination of JFK as well. Toss in the McCloy letter to Walker (put in a very public location that could easily be found), five months before the assasination, and you can see why Walker would be fearful of being implicated in the assassination of JFK....in panic, Walker had to do something fast.... he makes contact with a German publication and gets his story out before being implicated....he had to separate himself from Oswald without using a US publication......but then Oswald is killed and all is well with Walker....

For me the pieces seem to connect very well........

Jim Root

Robert

I appreciate your interest in this area....I certainly do believe that it is not only relavent to the assassination story but may be the key to unlocking the mystery.

The follow emails are part of some correspondence I have had with a significant author/publisher in the field of Cryptology who would perfer that his name not be used. He has reviewed my research and feels that it has merit in this area:

From: "Jim Root" <jroot@avhsd.org>

To:

Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 2:14 PM

Subject: Herbert O. Yardley mystery

> Mr.

>

> Several years ago you wrote an article titled, ********

>

>

> I have recently stumbled across some information that may shed a little

> lite on this "mystery."

>

> Please allow me to present a few pieces of information and then attempt to

> make some sense out of those pieces where it concerns Yardley/Grombach and

> the Secret Intelligence Branch.

>

> During my research into Operation Stella Polaris and the OSS Stockholm

> Station I began digging into the background of Wilho Tikander, Chief of

> Station, Stockholm. Several years ago I traveled to St. Louis County, MN

> (birthplace of Tikander) and was able to develop a rather interesting

> picture of his early life.

>

> In recent months I was able to uncover a paper written by Tikander about

> the OSS Station in Stockholm, which makes reference to Stella Polaris.

> Iver C. Olsen was a member of the OSS Stockholm team and within the cache

> of documents that I received is a letter from him as well. (Richard Helms

> was a member of Tikander's group as well).

>

> Olsen has recently been identified as a member of Grombach's Pond group in

> relation to his activities dealing with Raoul Wallenberg.

>

> In referencing Anthony Cave Brown's book, "Wild Bill Donovan, The Last

> Hero" I was surprised to find little if any information about the

> Stockholm OSS Station and no references to Grombach. Within that same

> book though it does reference Whitney Shepardson as OSS Secret

> Intelligence Chief which conflicts with Grombach's assertion...or does it?

>

> A Council on Foreign Relations bio on Whitney Shepardson has this comment,

> "Shepardson headed the Secret Intelligence unit of the Office of Strategic

> Services..."

>

> As you mention in your article Grombach states, "all members of the Secret

> Intelligence Branch, which I directed..."

>

> In "The Great Liquidator" Grombach also mentions how it was his

> organization that discovered the massacre of Polish officers at Kaytn

> Forrest. In Tikanders material he references the collection of this

> information by agents controlled by his station. Coincidence perhaps but

> interesting in combination with the rest of the information that I have

> gathered and leads to the suggestion at least that OSS Station was in

> large part controlled by Secret Intelligence and perhaps by Grombach.

>

> Now let me see if I can tie together how my research has led me to this

> point.

>

> In the document, "A Version of The Japanese Problem in the Signal

> Intelligence Service" by John B. Hurt, Hurt references Stella Polaris. It

> does so not by name but by information gathered from transmissions to

> Helsinki via Japan. This seems to put Hurt in the middle of the early

> stages of Venona while at the same time placing Yardley (Via Grombach and

> the Pond) in a position to parallel and monitor members of the Venona

> Team.

>

> A suggestion could also be made that Richard Helms was a Grombach man.

> The biography of Allen Dulles, which details the Grombach/Dulles debate

> places Helms as a person who had a "private" intelligence organization

> that he maintained after the war. Was this Grombach's organization which

> Helms was connected to in Stockholm?

>

> Whitney Shepardson is well known for his Cold War work with Radio Liberty

> and Radio Free Europe....Grombach's background in using commercial radio

> transmissions for the dissemination of coded messages is an additional

> point of interest that may fit into this story as well.

>

> I know this may sound complicated (I have gathered a great deal of

> additional information that supports and surrounds what I have here

> provided).

>

> Does this area of research strike any sort of cord with you? Could it

> help to begin to explain the Yardley/Grombach mystery that you mentioned?

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Jim Root

> History Teacher

In reply I received this email:

Jim Root:

Thank you for describing the result of your excellent research with me. You

have done an excellent job of collecting data and putting it together.

Most of what you mention certainly sounds familiar....

If you have not yet done it, I strongly suggest that you write an article on

your work for CRYPTOLOGIA, a publication that three friends and I founded

about 40 years ago and years later sold it to its current owner, Taylor &

Francis Group.

Good luck.

The author of this article had, he has since sold his collection, a copy of John B. Hurt's, ""A Version of The Japanese Problem in the Signal Intelligence Service" and is familiar with his work.

The Grombach, Shepardson, DeMohrenschildt, McCloy, Hurt, Oswald connection is TO coincidental, in my opinion, to be overlooked, especially considering the fact that Shepardson was collecting information about Helsinki for Richard Helms in June of 1959.

Jim Root

John

Did not know you had a family background in this particular area of research.

Hi Jim, good to see you posting again.

______________

Given that Walker was in charge of processing POWs in Norway after VE, and that he later staffed the Cairo bureau (homerun for Robert) and that there was a Mid East Rat(en)line, was Walker involved in processing NAZIs in Cairo too?

While processing POW's in Norway walker would be responsible for assigning the movements of the Stella Polaris to return former POW's to both the Soviet Union and to Germany. It is interresting that this same ship was assigned to pick up the crypto team in Helsinki. The timing of Walker's arrival in Norway is murky in the records but it is possible/probable that he arrived in Norway while battalion was in transit which would have allowed him to be in Norway in time to assign the Stella Polaris to to the Helsinki operation.

I have no records that indicate that Walker processed NAZIs in Cairo. Of more interest to me is his processing of Soviet/Communist soldiers that were to be returned to Russia. He would be in charge of Maxwell Taylors Korean POW exchange where large numbers of Chineese soldiers were processed and returned as well as North Korean soldiers. I do not believe his selection for this particular vocation was a coincidence. During the CCC program in the 1930's Walker was assigned to the processing of 1000's of Americans being put to work in these programs. Prior to being assigned to the FSSF Walker would be involved in the establishment of a couple of German POW camps in America.

Seems that Walker had been trained in a very interesting skill set.______________

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ps Robert : "... Taking this a step further, Wilho Tikander, who had been the OSS Station Chief in Stokholm (and was instrumental in the collection of information that was provided to Richard Helms in 1959), has an interesting family background. His family was involved in the Karelian Finn movement that began shortly after the Russian Revolution. This particular group of ethnic Finns had fled Czarist Russia in the late 1890's early 1900's because of their involvement in the Socialist movement in Russia. After the revolution many Karilians returned to Russia via an organization that Tikander was involved with. His appointment to head the OSS Station in Stokholm was not, it seems a coincidence. ..."

As my granddad was from Karelia prior to Soviet acquisition, and chief editior of 'Maakansa' in Viborg in the thirties, and later when the paper moved to Helsinki, later ed of 'Savon Sanomat' (and others), the family will try to get copies of the Karelia period. My mum remembers Karelian Finns from the Czarist repression period. Her family, as landed 'gentry' had a lot of contacts, the important ones, my granddad who enoyed cetain privileges and knew things he couldn't tell evn his family till after the war, such as friends in German Army high staff stationed in Finland that would have been compromised. (one was and was assassinated by Hitlers orderes). My mum met some of these.

The United States did not declare war on Finland until late in the war. Most people see Spain and Portugal as the "hotbeds" of spy activity during the war but it seems that the Stokholm station played a very large roll not only in the espionage war against Germany but in the pre Cold War activities that would become so important to US strategic interests in the late 1940's and beyond. It seems, from my research, that Finland was stuck between three giants....the Soviet Union, Germany and a strenghtening USA. Access to Finland was a matter of national survival for Finland in a post war world. For example, a quick reading of the Fortitude North operation shows how successful this espionage was in maintaining large numbers of German troops in Norway yet in OSS Chief Donovan's bio we find next to nothing written about the Stokholm station. The use of the Scandinavian coutries for raw materials of war and for necessary components for the German atomic bomb program puts and interesting light on the documents/materials/personal that may have been "mined" in this area by a commander such as Walker at the close of war. I do not believe that Walker's assignment to this area was a coincidence.

Jim Root

(1948, British financial reasons ? India?)

1948 Kick off for the coming Civil Rights battles with Black strikes

1948 H.D. Holmes moves to Dallas, starts work at DP Post Office as Postal Inspector

1953 CIA's mail opening campaign begins

1958 FBI's mail opening campaign begins

1961 Helms inducts JE Day (USPO PMG) into illegal mail opening program

mid '63 JE Day 'resigns' over racial issue, Gronowsky appointed, refuses to participate in Mail Openings

1969 Holmes and many other USPO PI's retire

Nixon disbands the USPO and forms the USPS, Helms sacked, testifies re JE Day's involvement.

Hi John

We've travelled this path before.

My thoughts on the CIA mail opening and the roll played by Richard Helms. I still contend that the letter Oswald wrote as a teenager to the Socialist Workers Party would be the first item that should have been found in any 201 File that the CIA had on Oswald. When we look at both the mail opening program conducted by the CIA and control of Oswald's 201 file, the name Richard Helms seems to be very prominent!

Next the Warren Commission investigation into Oswald....Helms again. For me the shakey history of Oswald's 201 File and the missing Hosty note (the one that said exactly where Oswald was working written on Nov. 4, 1963 that has disappered from CIA records) seems to indicate an active paricipation in a coverup by Helms of onoing operational interest of the CIA in Oswald. While John Newman was able to trace two Hosty notes directly to Helms the third seems to have disappeared.

That note, to me, may well be the smoking gun of conspiracy and Richard Helms, a man associated with the Special Intelligence organization (SI) that was for some reason gathering information about an operation that was centered on Helsinki, Finland in June of 1959 for Richard Helms suggests a much deeper involvement in the development of Oswald the "patsey" than we might have previously thought.

During the 1959 meetings with Richard Helms it was Whitney Shepardson and Calvin Bryce Hoover who were the conduit of information to Helms on former SI controlled personal in Helsinki. Shepardson, who originated the Council on Foreign Relations, is closely associated to John J. McCloy (whom Shepardson would appoint as Chairman of the CFR) and to Demitri De Mohrenschildt (brother of George) who operated Radio Liberty. Shepardson was also one of two leaders of SI for whom Richard Helms was working while under cover of the OSS during WWII. It was the OSS Station (actually controlled by SI) that conducted Operation Stella Polaris (with the approval of Shepardson and Hoover) resulting in the beginings of the Venona Project that would be managed by Frank Rowlett and Meredith Gardner (the two men who would investigate Oswald for potential intelligence connection for the Warren Commission via the CIA via the NSA).

Taking this a step further, Wilho Tikander, who had been the OSS Station Chief in Stokholm (and was instrumental in the collection of information that was provided to Richard Helms in 1959), has an interesting family background. His family was involved in the Karelian Finn movement that began shortly after the Russian Revolution. This particular group of ethnic Finns had fled Czarist Russia in the late 1890's early 1900's because of their involvement in the Socialist movement in Russia. After the revolution many Karilians returned to Russia via an organization that Tikander was involved with. His appointment to head the OSS Station in Stokholm was not, it seems a coincidence.

In May 1957 Reino Häyhänen, a Soviet Spy, defected to the CIA rather than return to the Soviet Union. His demise as a Soviet Agent led to the arrest of Rudolph Abel. Two things about the background of Hayhanen come to mind....He was undercover of a US Citizen whose family had returned to the Soviet Union during the Karelian Finn movement and via the organization which involved the Tikander family. During WWII Hayhanen (aka Eugene Nicolai Mäki) was in Helsinki working for the Soviets. I might suggest that Hayhanen/Maki may have been turned, or under observation, long before his entry into the United States.

There are many aspects to this area of research that has me intrigued. What is most interestng is the recurring names associated with Oswald that seem to all tie to this particular group of former SI men together. Was there a reason to have the U-2 downed in 1960 (failure of the Paris Summit and the Limited Test Ban Treaty of 1960 which John J. McCloy wanted derailed)? Was there a need to have Rudolph Abel returned to the Soviet Union (just thrown in to query thought)? Was Oswald the "patsey" needed by this group of former SI men to accomplish these goals? Had the Socialist Workiers Party in American been fully infiltrated by US Intelligence prior to the Cold War (Smith Act Trials)? Were members of the 4th International used worldwide to accomplish the goals of covert US Intelligence agencies such as SI?

By the way, just as a sidelight.....Calvin Bryce Hoover lived in Raleigh, North Carolina at the time of tha assassination of JFK.

Jim Root

Robert

Somewhere in my files I have a phone registry for the American Mission in Greece that provided the exact position held by Karramessines. I uncovered it at the Hoover Library at Stanford University in the Special Collections Library (General Fredericks papers). Fredericks was, I believe, the first US Commander in Greece after the US took over from Great Britian. Fredericks at one time was the youngest WWII General in the US Army and had been wounded numerous times in combat while the first commander of the First Special Services Force. Fredericks would become involved in a policy dispute while in Greece that would lead to his early retirement from the military. The dispute is shrouded in mystery as I recall.

Perhaps more importantly to me these days is the interjection of "Special Intelligence" or "SI" into the war and post war period and how this group continued to exist and was gathering information on Helsinki, Finland in the months preceeding Oswalds entry in the the Soviet Union. This group, which had as an early member Richard Helms, may, with further research, be found to have played a dominate roll in the life events of Lee Harvey Oswald.

Jim Root

In April 1976 you published an interview with Gerry Hemming in Argosy Magazine (pages 59-68 in On the Trail of the JFK Assassins). In the interview Hemming claims that he was approached as leader of Interpen “more than two dozen” times to assassinate JFK. He also named Loran Hall as one of the people who were possibly involved in the assassination. He also claimed to know Oswald who he says he thought was on the “Naval Intelligence payroll.”

What was your impression of Hemming? One source with intelligence connections told me that he was a CIA paid disinformation agent. Do you think this is a possibility?

My take on Hemming is mixed. I don't think he was a paid disinformation agent. However, he was someone whose credibility I certainly did not swallow whole-hog, especially the more I got to know him. (In my earlier, more innocent days when I did the Argosy interview, I was more gullible). Gerry just "knew too much" and along too many different avenues, to have stayed alive if it was all factual. So it was always difficult to sort out truth from fiction with Gerry. And he may have had a personal grudge against Hall, whom I doubt very much had direct involvement other than the FBI setting up him & Howard at Sylvia Odio's as scapegoats. I thought what he said about meeting Oswald in 1959 was most likely accurate.

Dick

Just to keep all this information together:

Gerry sent me an email that said Oswald's trip to Russia was false flaged as a Naval Intelligence operation. In the same email he said that Edwin Walker was a part of the team which helped insert Oswald into Russia.

My first personal contact with Hemming came after I asked him about an early 1950's connection to Edwin Walker. I had corrected or expanded upon a post that he had made dealing with some training he had received during the Korean War. When he asked me about my information I stated that the event would have put Hemming into a very small group of people that had been personally trained by Walker. He confirmed that he had been part of this group. After this information was confirmed by Hemming he would occassionally send unsolicited emails that provided avenues which connect some piece of information that I had posted to some additonal person or event.

For myself it was his close personal connection to General Walker as well as the high probability that he had met Oswald that made Gerry Hemming unique in my mind.

Jim Root

Thanks Jim,

For taking the time to think about and enumerate all that, as it is close, but not yet where I want to go, and as with Charles' objection, needs a little tweeking.

It's not that I don't think the evidence at the street level in Dallas will take us there, as much as I would like to tie that street level evidence with the guys at the top, and despite all of their need to know, cut-outs, crafts of intelligence and strict operation al procedures, I think it is possible to, as Robert Howard puts it, connect the dots to a legal as well as moral certainty.

For over 45 years conspiracy researchers have focused on proving conspiracy by finding a second gunman. Two gunmen, by definition, proves conspiracy which has been the primary focus of conspiracy research almost to the exclusion of most other research. This single focus has become the Holy Grail of assassination lore with any suggestion that a single gunman may have accomplished the job being tantamount to a suggestion that separating these Siamese twins would somehow prove that there was no conspiracy. I do not believe that the two assassins theory is particularly needed to prove conspiracy and to the contrary might suggest that the proposition that there were two assassins may well have been the most important element in the coverup of the assassination.

On June, 24, 1964, John J. McCloy (in a letter to Lee Rankin) points out the difficulty of proving the single bullet:

"the evidence against this is not fully stated and the section on the possibility of shots from the overpass is not well done. In many respect this chapter is the most important chapter in the Reportand it should be the most convincing considering the evidence we have."

Did John J. McCloy set the standard for the "traditional way" to view the potential conspiracy research? And in so doing point conspiracy research into a deadend direction that they continue to travel into to this day? Did McCloy, the United States leading master of intelligence, have a reason to focus the direction of conspiracy reasearch away for Lee Harvey Oswald and toward a search for a second gunman? What would McCloy have to gain by mis-directing American thought?

Towards that end, I don't think you can look at the assassination in the traditional ways, or fall into the categories or pitfalls that have been laid out ahead of time.

Agreed

Rather than the Lone-Nut, Conspiracy Theorists mode, in which a predetermined suspect or group is blamed and all the evidence supporting this position is brought forth, ignoring exculpitory evidence, the real way to go is to keep an open mind until all the facts are in, and name individual subjects rather than social groupings like Mafia, CIA, Cubans, Oilmen, et al. Instead of targeting a group and going there, following the evidence from Dealey Plaza to where it really goes.

Either the assassination was the act of a psycho deranged loner with no political or histoircal connections, or it was a well planned out an executed assassination.

Agreed

In order to get where I want to go you have to approach the subject from a specific perspective, and must break from the traditional Lone Nut-Conspiracy Theorists debate. It is more of an investigative, question posing and answering approach, not to blame any person or group, but to determine, for historical as well as national security reasons, what happened.

I think it can be determined whether the assassination was the result of a lone gunman, a murder conspiracy from outside the government (Mob, Cubans, CIA, KGB, Birchers, Oil Barrons, et al) or a coup d'etat, inside job.

Agreed

That can and should be determined, but it needs a Third Force, who are neither Lone Nuters or Conspiracy Theorists, who recognize the implications and imperatives in connecting the dots from Elm and Houston to those responsible for the assassination, regardless of who they are.

This is the real key but can, in my opinion, only be accomplished when we set aside our predetermined thoughts on what is needed to prove conspiracy. Well we open our minds to the possibility that the reason that no conspirator has ever been convicted of a crime nor has sufficient proof surfaced that would implicate an identified group of consirators to a level that would be acceptable in a court of law, is because these same conspirators had the ability to misdirect the research of the assassination conspiracy community? Is it too humbling to suggest that the same government that so many believe can manipulate the thoughts of the community as a whole may actually be able to manipulate the conspiracy researchers themselves?

To begin this approach it is necessary to recognize that it isn't just a debate between Lone Nuters and Conspiracy Theorists, as it is a psych war battle among competing intelligence networks - and there are dozens on the playing field at one time.

And it isn't just a debate for historical sake, but its a real life and death game that's still going on today, with many of the same players.

The National Security Agency is one, the national syndicate of organized crime is another, while the CIA, FBI, Secret Service (Treasury), ONI, John Birch Society, KGB, Cuban G2, are others who come into play.

Your work on the communications intelligence angles cuts to the heart of the matter, using Jim's Alexander's Gordian knot analogy, and connects Dealey Plaza to the origins of the codebreakers/OSS operations during WWII, when many of the networks who are in the game made the transfer from the hot to the Cold War to survive.

My work on the communications intelligence angle is only one of three areas, any one of which can, I believe, prove a coverup (therefore a conspiracy??????).

1) Owalds flight from London to Helsinki. What is stated in the final draft of the Warren Commission Report is a true and factual statement that does nothing but coverup the fact that the amount of money which was spent by Oswald was known and the passenger records for the flight/s that he took were available at the time but withheld from the public. I continue to suggest that it is very possible (and with the work of Antti Hynonen have proven) that Oswald may not have flown directly to Finland and may well have gone to Germany first.....the same destinations that Edwin Walker would have traveled toward.... and could have still been on the same plane that arrived in Helsinki carrying the London passengers. We know that US Ambassador Hickerson wrote a top secret note which provided the information on how to obtain a Russian

Visa within 24 hours was sent to the State Department the day before Oswald arrived in Helsinki. We also know that the directions indicated in the Hickerson note were actually followed (by direction or by chance) by Oswald upon his arrivial in Helsinki. Within days of Oswald's arrival in Helsinki we find JohnJ. McCloy involved in a meeting of the US nuclear arms negotiators, where fear is expressed in the role of world opionion forcing the United States into a Limited Test Ban Treaty in Paris that would jepordize the security of the United States, was discussed. It would be the downing of a U-2 spy craft that would scuttle the Paris Summit!

2) FBI Agent Hosty wrote three notes concerning the movements of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to the assassination. Two of these notes ended up in the files of Richard Helms and the movements of who had access to these two notes can be identified. The third Hosty note (the one which identified exactly where he worked prior to the planning of the motorcade route) has never been located. Once again we find that John J. McCloy, the man who cracked the Black Tom Case, did not put this third note into evidenciary record! Any third rate attorney that discovered that the government had prior knowledge of where the alledged assassin of the President of the United States was working before the motorcade route was formulated, a route that would put the President within the sites of the alledged assassin, would noit only recognize the importance of that particular piece of evidence but, in a real investigation of a potential conspiracy, would identify every person who had access to that piece of evidence. Instead the CIA has never placed that note on any list of documents that came into their possession prior to the asssassination!!

3) It is the third piece of information which concerns the attempted phone call by Lee Harvey Oswald to someone by the name of John Hurt that again ties Oswald to the top eschelons of US Intelligence. It would be a person named John Hurt that would be providing information directly to John J. McCloy during WWII that was used by McCloy while advising the President/s of the United States on some of the most sensitve decissions of WWII. A person named John Hurt could be identified as a US Intelligence asset and that same person could be tied directly to one Warren Commissioner (McCloy) that would not wish to have that Oswald phone call reported upon within the official assassination record! It is also interesting to note that the two men assigned by the National Security Agency to investigate Oswald for potential intelligence connection (Rowlet and Gardner) could themselves be closely linked to John Hurt as both friends and associates!

The three points above are based upon facts that are proveable beyond doubt! While it is speculation to suggest that Walker was on the same plane as Oswald, the fact remains that when Oswald entered the Soviet Embassy in Helsinki he had already purchased First Class Intourist vouchers, as suggested in the Hickerson note written one day prior to Oswald's arrival.

Of course learning all this history of intelligence operations would have no relevance to what happened at Dealey Plaza if JFK was the victim of a deranged lone nut.

[color="#FF0000"]It is the research into these historical intelligence operations that led me to speculate upon whom Oswald's "cut-out" phone call (person to person collect for a John Hurt from Lee Harvey Oswald) may have gone to. Following this lead further I have uncovered a cache of material which has led to information about a Secret Intelligence (SI) organization created during WWII that involved Richard Helms and Whitney Shepardson (a very close associate/friend of John J. McCloy). Within these documents we find that this group was meeting with Richard Helms, collecting information about Helsinki, Finland, in the months prior to Oswald's entry into Russia via Helsinki. This group is also historically responsible for the begining foundations of the Venona Project, led by Rowlett and Gardner (who would investigate Oswald)

which began when a cryptologist by the name of John B. Hurt translated some Japanese intercepts while involve in a program which came under the overall direction of John J. McCloy!

Jim Root[/color]

Hi William

You finished your "New Approach" thread with the statement: "The theory that I advocate is that the assassinations be viewed as part of the continuing Cold War between competing intelligence agencies, and the approach that I think is correct is that the assassination of President Kennedy must be recognized as not only a conspiracy but a coup, and a threat to our national security today."

My research has turned a new page into the mysterious operations of a group known as Secret Intelligence. Depending on how you view this group they were either a "contract" intelligence organization or a "deep cover" intelligence organization within the established intelligence community. Members/former members/associates include John J. McCloy, Richard Helms, Demitri de Mohrenschildt (brother of George), Winston Scott. It seems also clear that this group was affilliated with or a competing agency to the NSA and were most likely watching Frank Rowlett, Meridith Gardner and John B. Hurt (all names that can be associated with the assassination of JFK or the investigation of that assassination).

We sometimes forget that in 1963 the existence of the National Security Agency was denied by everyone in government yet it existed. It is, therefor, not to far fetched to suggest, as you advocate, that "competing intelligence agencies" existed and continue to exist. As I posted in a previous thread both Allen Dulles and John Grombach (head of SI) would provide testimony in the congressional hearings that would lead to the creation of the CIA. Dulles was constantly bothered by the "competing" agency ran by Grombach and continually tried to undermine its existance (the Dulles biography goes into detail about this). I would agree that this may be a reason that the Gordian Knot of the Kennedy conspiracy remains unresolved.....no one has discovered tha actual beginning or end to the string of information that has been woven into this Knot of unreleased information that may center around the competing intelligence agencies within the US Intelligence community.

It is here that I agree with you that a "New Approach" be entered into in the search for knowledge. I might suggest, just as Alexander 'solved" the puzzle of the Gordian Knot by cutting it open with his sword and exposing the interior threads, that we must quit dancing around the exterior of the knot and begin our seach by exposing what is at the core.

Those responsible for the result of the events that occured on November 22, 1963 will never be exposed by focusing on that days events, as has been done for the past 45 years.

It is my contention and I believe it is what you are suggesting as well, that we must look more closely at the mechanics of how a very small group of people could have planned, manipulated and pulled of the assassination as well as idnetifying their reasons behind their desire to eliminate Kennedy and how the coverup of thier responsibility was accomplished.

According to Plutarch for many years people focused on the Gordian Knot by examining the exterior of it from every possible and conceiveable angle.

But only the powerful blow of Alexander's sword exposed the interior of the puzzle.

Jim Root