Dawn Meredith

No can do. Speaking of which how on earth would I go about finding a pic that Tim Carroll posted of the Plaza, showing the fence, probably after his trip to Dallas in 04. The search engines ...ah...well you know. thanks Dawn

Just curious as to why you have no bio. (Since it's a rule here). You're right, there is nothing complex about Gary. But he does NOT say "it how it is". What ever THAT means. He used to believe in conspiracy- or pretend to. Now he's a LNutter. And you? You're sounding a lot like his mouthpiece. People were onto GM's cover well before the advent of this forum. And his contributions were exactly what again? Dawn

He lurks here quite regularily. Part of his job descrition perhaps? Posting however is not something he will do, perhaps his handlers have their rules . Dawn

Thanks for this Charles. I was out last night so missed Keith's show. This DA caught my attention however. Dare I hope that he knows more than he is saying and is interested? (He APPEARS interested). Five years ago I wrote to then then Dallas DA Bill Hill. "No Reply". Time for another go at it. It is his jurisdiction after all. It's an "open homicide" as my dear friend Jay Harrison always referred to the case. Could there be another Jim Garrison in the making? Dawn PS Mack was beyond sickening. "Complicit" indeed. He knows better. I love it, he's billed as an "assassination expert" then proceeds to lie his freaking a** off.

Charles, Olberman has an actual brain and a spine, I mean for someone on mainstream news. Did he rebut Mack's Big Lie in any way? Alas, Myra, Keith and Gary seemd joined at the hip. Well that is MOST disappointing about Keith. He can tell the truth about W on tv but lie about the assassination. Out of fairness however I am willing to bet that he is not permitted to go there. The media is totally controlled on this issue. Whatever personal beliefs a commentator may hold must remain private if he wants to continue on the air. When Jesse Ventura had a program in 2003 he did a JFK 40th anniversary special that was in your face conspiracy. It was amazing tv. But he was gone immediately after that. As for Gary Mack, he lurks here. He used to PM me all the time to "correct" me in my posts. But I would just publish his PM on the forum. I have a longstanding rule of thumb in this rersearch community: AP's first establish their bona fides to aquire some measure of respect in the community. In Gary's case his Badgeman work was groundbreaking at the time. But then he turned his back and sold out, which tells me he was a plant from the start. Just my opinion. Dawn

'William Plumlee' date='Feb 18 2008, 10:09 PM' post='137533'] Tosh: I have a question for him. It relates to a friend of Jay's Stephen Pegues. Stephen was writing a book about the TX. Mafia . He and Jay were collaborating. On the 3rd of Sept of 97 Pegues had tacked down (located by Jay) the daughter of Malcolm Wallace ( (Alice Meredith Nix) and she agreed to be interviewed about her father. Jay and Peagues were to meet in Dallas the following day. Jay was there but Stephen Peagues never showed. Jay learned that night that Peagues had suffered a fatal heart attack. His manuscript on the TX Mafia was missing from his belongings. It was Jay's dying wish- one of them- to get this story out. Walt Brown told me Estes had obtained the rights to this story. Last year when Floyd Stephens died of a heart attack (while investigating the Tx Mafia) Floyd's wife asked me to contact Estes and tell him. I obtained his mailing address and wrote to him. He called me immediately and we had a lovely chat. I asked him about the Peagues matter and he told me that yes he had aquired the rights to this. Would you ask him if this is still going forward. Thanks muchly, I seem to have misplaced my notes from that phone call and am just going by memory here. Thanks Tosh. Dawn Yes Dawn, I will do that. Also when I am down that way I will drop in to see you. I'm going to see Leslie also. To some degree I do know something about that manuscript (from Jay) and the way I read it the work is still in progress... something about libility and waiting until Lady Bird past on... However, I will ask him... Its a good valid question. I have been warned indirect not to go there and that warning came from Texas officials. and Thanks for the info and reply... until then keep cool and be safe... Tosh Good deal. I will look forward to it. I was going to ask you in a private email about this, but then I saw the posts with Francisca and James about Wallace's brother? (perhaps and I apologise if I am slaughtering the spelling of her name....), so decided to ask publicly, since talking with anyone in that immediate family could well be dangerous! Wallace WAS LBJ's hired killed and many have gone to his/he grave by his hand, and later investigating this (Henry Marshall, Clint Peoples, Tx Ranger). Doug Caddy knows a lot more names, having sent the deceased list to the Justice Dept. in 1984, as Billi Sol's then attorney. The ONLY time I ever heard fear in Nathan Darby's voice was the day he told me someone had entered his home, bypassing the burglar alarm system and took one thing: his Wallace fingerprint file from under his bed, Nathan wondered if his life was in danger. I did not know WHAT to tell him. Dawn

Actually Peter I think it's been quite clear for some time now that Diana was murdered. Now whether or not she was pregnant is another matter. But the cover-up has been most revealing. And her diary- shades of Nicole Brown Simpson, predicting her own murder, is one more piece. The "finding" and then death of the Fiat driver is just TOO damn "coincidental". At least for those of us who know how these "coincidences" really add up. But this will be another cover-up. When the powers that be off someone it's gotten away with. Those of us who study such events are peons to be chuckled about by the powers who moniter these boards. Dawn

On another matter. I have a meeting scheduled meeting with Billy Sol. Do you have any questions you would like me to asked him? I'm sorry I deverted the thread and now we can go back to the dirt. Tosh: I have a question for him. It relates to a friend of Jay's Stephen Pegues. Stephen was writing a book about the TX. Mafia . He and Jay were collaborating. On the 3rd of Sept of 97 Pegues had tacked down (located by Jay) the daughter of Malcolm Wallace ( (Alice Meredith Nix) and she agreed to be interviewed about her father. Jay and Peagues were to meet in Dallas the following day. Jay was there but Stephen Peagues never showed. Jay learned that night that Peagues had suffered a fatal heart attack. His manuscript on the TX Mafia was missing from his belongings. It was Jay's dying wish- one of them- to get this story out. Walt Brown told me Estes had obtained the rights to this story. Last year when Floyd Stephens died of a heart attack (while investigating the Tx Mafia) Floyd's wife asked me to contact Estes and tell him. I obtained his mailing address and wrote to him. He called me immediately and we had a lovely chat. I asked him about the Peagues matter and he told me that yes he had aquired the rights to this. Would you ask him if this is still going forward. Thanks muchly, I seem to have misplaced my notes from that phone call and am just going by memory here. Thanks Tosh. Dawn

Have you contacted Larry Hancock? He has carried out detailed research into Wallace. There was no reason for those boys to cover their tracks or use alaises. The golf course hit (one of many of the time) was just a walk up, by one person and POW. It had nothing to do with Texas politics. It was all about a girl friend I was told. Even if they, or he, were caught with the smoking gun in hard and if they were Texas connected they had a "get out of jail free" card. There were a whole flock of good old Texas boys that would do the dirty work for the special interest of the power elite of Texas. Those boys paved the way for LBJ into State and National Politics. It was a tight organization and not many escaped their wrath. JFK found that out the hard way. Texas to this day has more power in national and state politices than most Americans can comprehend. And It's not over yet. The way to Washington DC is via Texas. If you do not play their game, they will just kill you and be done with it; and go home and have dinner. Ya and Kinser's alleged "girlfriend" just happened to be Josepha Johsnon, sister of LBJ ....who is rumored to also have been murdered by Mac Wallace. Tx Justice. People need to dig into it more deeply. There's a reason the hit happened in Dallas. (Digging too deep can be very dangerous to your health, especially those prone to heart attacks, single car accidents, suicide.) Dawn

I think Charles makes is a very interesting point. We know that much was done to confuse those who would come later. The assassination itself was well thought out down to the last detail, but the confusion and lack of communication Tosh describes reeks of planning. And certainly reflects a kind of war within the CIA itself, akin to the factions Oglesby would later write about. A genuine 'coup. Tosh I sure hope WB comes through for Peter with some of the documents you need. All Jay's work, just rotting away. Dawn

There is nothing about this in Barr's book. This is obviously a new angle....and a rather odd one.

I have known that Brzezinski was backing him for sometime now. That's why I don't think he will be killed. Unless he "pulls a JFK". That's what I meant by "will he deliver?" Or will it be more status quo? Saying "change" is one thing, effectuating serious change is quite another. That is why the lessons of '63 are so major. Until this is understood no real change will ever occur. We need media with balls. Fat chance there. (Even the ones who know lie: "Billo", Geraldo). John, it is my understanding that his funding is coming frrom small grassroots doners, much the way Howard Dean raised money 4 years ago, and Ron Paul this time. He has a super organization in place. Dawn

Obama is bringing a level of excitement to the race not seen since Bobby Kennedy. I think the election is his. It's been fun watching the far right go so bonkers. As if McCain was some sort of LIBERAL. These people are just nuts. Rush and Coulter may become a thing of the past. And just maybe the far right WILL stay home. This is an anti- W. reaction. Anti- neocons. People are desperate for change. But can-and will- Obama deliver? (Len, his middle name is IRRELEVENT!) Dawn

Indeed, true. However, against that is the claim that the mother was a Texan who knew LBJ, that his name is Jack, that he was born in 1961. I had read that he was the "image" of his alleged father- JFK, but I don't see it. Dawn

Aside from "Mac", none that I have ever heard of. (Is Glen Sample still a member here?) I will email Barr (McCLellan) and ask him as wel. Dawn

Na..it means "Rock On" in the US these days..... I have been noticing this for years. Yes a lot of "rockers" do this too. But that seemed to begin with the so called "death metal " bands who had very heavy Satanic overtones, (google Satanic lyrics sometime). Now all the pols are doing it as well. Bush was asked about it once and he had an acceptable answer: it's also the hand signal for the local team "hook 'em Horns"... but these signals are used all the time in political arenas, so that explanation makes no sense... Dawn

This was my laugh of the day. How twisted is that? We should all be embarrased, ashamed. Good thing none of my forum pals voted for this loser. Can we take 11 more months of this creep? (Plenty of time for him to start WW 111). Hey where's Tim Gratz" Dawn-

Thanks Dawn. None of what follows should be taken as meaning I necessarily disagree. Let me play Devil's Advocate for minute... if Ruby was the Great Actor, how do we tell when he's acting and when he's not? Great actors can not only deliver the lines written for them, but also believably ad lib when needed. And if he was not the Great Actor, what do we make of the belief that the Jewish people were being exterminated in order for this usurping of power to take place? There are layers and there are layers overlapping layers of potential meaning and intent. And there is (also) brain trauma, psychopathy, delusion... through self-infliction, genetics, environment, or induced... We have an expert in these matters in our midst and I for one would relish his opinion on Ruby's mental state at the time of his murder of Oswald (but understand completely if he does not want to become embroiled in this quagmire). Ruby's latter mental state can - and should be - looked at separately. It is here that West may be an important player. I don't think he was any kind of an actor, nor do I think he was delusional. I think at this point he was terrified. He did as told and knew his turn was next. (Notice how often he refers to his own impending death and that of his family). The first time I ever read this particular testimony, (in the 70's), I was blown away by it. It is both a confession and as close to an admission of a most powerful conspiracy as we have ever come, from one of the key players. Dawn

Like Peter Lemkin, I have read a good deal of Chomsky's work and attended one of his lectures. His best work speaks for itself, and he seems unafraid of any topic, save one: conspiracy. Peter calls this a "blind spot," which is both charitable and an overwhelming understatement. As the good man has said himself: "The JFK assassination has engendered a kind of cult-like reaction, and ordinarily rational people act in what seem to me very strange ways." Ain't it the truth, though? Now let me see. An ordinary person is "rational" until he or she begins to question our lying government. I too have read a fair amount of Chomsky, as well as attended a couple of his lectures and while I would not go so far as to call him a disinformation agent, I am most troubled by his "work" on this case. It goes way beyond a "blind spot". The man is far too intelligent to be that blind. And he has studied this case enough to have an opinion: the one opinion that someone with even a grain of intelligence quickly abandons. (He has even written a fair amount on this matter). John is correct in his analysis of Chomsky, up to a point, then I think we are dealing with something beyond adhering to one's status in the left. On this issue he is either irrational or a disinformationist, in my opinion. (If he truly cannot see that JFK CHANGED profoundly and thus became a threat to the very cold warriers that Chomsky has written so elequently about his thinking ability is in question, imho). Dawn

Never mind. I think he's Jack Ruby's roomate, Senator. Did he die mysteriously? Kathy No, you are likely confusing him with someone else. He was at a 6 person meeting in Ruby's apt. the very night Ruby shot LHO. Three of the 6 would soon die, two newsmen (Jim Keothe- in 64 from a karate chop to the neck, and Bill Hunter, shot also in 64 by a cop). Ruby's attorney, (Tom Howard) the third of the 6 to die had a heart attack in in 65. Two other very odd circumstances here, Howard was allegedly present when Ruby shot LHO, and newsman Bill Hunter was shot the day after Senator testified before the WC that he "did not remember" the infamous meeting. Senator managed to live until 1992. Dawn

I believe this testimony says it all: Mr. RUBY. Unfortunately, you don't have, because it is too late. And I wish that our beloved President, Lyndon Johnson, would have delved deeper into the situation, hear me, not to accept just circumstantial facts about my guilt or innocence, and would have questioned to find out the truth about me before he relinquished certain powers to these certain people. Chief Justice WARREN. Well, I am afraid I don't know what power you believe he relinquished to them. I think that it is difficult to understand what you have to say. Mr. RUBY. I want to say this to you. The Jewish people are being exterminated at this moment. Consequently, a whole new form of government is going to take over our country, and I know I won't live to see you another time. Do I sound sort of screwy--in telling you these things? Chief Justice WARREN. No; I think that is what you believe, or you wouldn't tell it under your oath. Mr. RUBY. But it is a very serious situation. I guess it is too late to stop it, isn't it? And we have been the victims of this "new form of government" ever since. It certainly is not called "democracy". Dawn

Very good point. That could be the motive for today's creeping fascism in a nutshell. Everything will be in place for martial law, when hard times make the natives too restless. I think the entire article excerpted from above needs to be here....a very chilling additional piece of the system being put in place....when you have such a system, there is the inevitable temptation to use it. It was also built knowing the direction the elite was going would lead to protest on a massive scale and they want to be ready....they also have some 'non-lethal', but nasty new tools against demonstrators and to round people up en masse. Brave New World. So now they have some businessmen on the 'inside'; some religious fanatics in the Military who believe it is God's will for the End Times and killing all the unsaved; and Dr. Strageloves all throughout the beltway crowd....all it will take is a new real or false-flag [more likely] 'event' of horror......then the system will spin into work as the clockmakers built it to.....from GardenPlot to REX84 to COG... and beyond......frightening, I think. Blackwater and others like it; Special Forces; Militarized Police; InfraGuard; wholesale electronic spying on us; drones that can do arrests; and who knows what else....but it is a commin' sure as can be....only question is how and when - unless this whole madness is dismantled and scattered to the winds. Democracy this isn't. We have met the Enemy, and the Enemy is US - Pogo. NB - the ACLU report is here: http://www.aclu.org/FilesPDFs/surveillance_report.pdf The FBI Deputizes Business By Matthew Rothschild The Progressive Thursday 07 February 2008 Today, more than 23,000 representatives of private industry are working quietly with the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. The members of this rapidly growing group, called InfraGard, receive secret warnings of terrorist threats before the public does - and, at least on one occasion, before elected officials. In return, they provide information to the government, which alarms the ACLU. But there may be more to it than that. One business executive, who showed me his InfraGard card, told me they have permission to "shoot to kill" in the event of martial law. InfraGard is "a child of the FBI," says Michael Hershman, the chairman of the advisory board of the InfraGard National Members Alliance and CEO of the Fairfax Group, an international consulting firm. InfraGard started in Cleveland back in 1996, when the private sector there cooperated with the FBI to investigate cyber threats. "Then the FBI cloned it," says Phyllis Schneck, chairman of the board of directors of the InfraGard National Members Alliance, and the prime mover behind the growth of InfraGard over the last several years. InfraGard itself is still an FBI operation, with FBI agents in each state overseeing the local InfraGard chapters. (There are now eighty-six of them.) The alliance is a nonprofit organization of private sector InfraGard members. "We are the owners, operators, and experts of our critical infrastructure, from the CEO of a large company in agriculture or high finance to the guy who turns the valve at the water utility," says Schneck, who by day is the vice president of research integration at Secure Computing. "At its most basic level, InfraGard is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the private sector," the InfraGard website states. "InfraGard chapters are geographically linked with FBI Field Office territories." In November 2001, InfraGard had around 1,700 members. As of late January, InfraGard had 23,682 members, according to its website, www.infragard.net, which adds that "350 of our nation's Fortune 500 have a representative in InfraGard." To join, each person must be sponsored by "an existing InfraGard member, chapter, or partner organization." The FBI then vets the applicant. On the application form, prospective members are asked which aspect of the critical infrastructure their organization deals with. These include: agriculture, banking and finance, the chemical industry, defense, energy, food, information and telecommunications, law enforcement, public health, and transportation. FBI Director Robert Mueller addressed an InfraGard convention on August 9, 2005. At that time, the group had less than half as many members as it does today. "To date, there are more than 11,000 members of InfraGard," he said. "From our perspective that amounts to 11,000 contacts ... and 11,000 partners in our mission to protect America." He added a little later, "Those of you in the private sector are the first line of defense." He urged InfraGard members to contact the FBI if they "note suspicious activity or an unusual event." And he said they could sic the FBI on "disgruntled employees who will use knowledge gained on the job against their employers." In an interview with InfraGard after the conference, which is featured prominently on the InfraGard members' website, Mueller says: "It's a great program." The ACLU is not so sanguine. "There is evidence that InfraGard may be closer to a corporate TIPS program, turning private-sector corporations - some of which may be in a position to observe the activities of millions of individual customers - into surrogate eyes and ears for the FBI," the ACLU warned in its August 2004 report The Surveillance-Industrial Complex: How the American Government Is Conscripting Businesses and Individuals in the Construction of a Surveillance Society. InfraGard is not readily accessible to the general public. Its communications with the FBI and Homeland Security are beyond the reach of the Freedom of Information Act under the "trade secrets" exemption, its website says. And any conversation with the public or the media is supposed to be carefully rehearsed. "The interests of InfraGard must be protected whenever presented to non-InfraGard members," the website states. "During interviews with members of the press, controlling the image of InfraGard being presented can be difficult. Proper preparation for the interview will minimize the risk of embarrassment.... The InfraGard leadership and the local FBI representative should review the submitted questions, agree on the predilection of the answers, and identify the appropriate interviewee.... Tailor answers to the expected audience.... Questions concerning sensitive information should be avoided." One of the advantages of InfraGard, according to its leading members, is that the FBI gives them a heads-up on a secure portal about any threatening information related to infrastructure disruption or terrorism. The InfraGard website advertises this. In its list of benefits of joining InfraGard, it states: "Gain access to an FBI secure communication network complete with VPN encrypted website, webmail, listservs, message boards, and much more." InfraGard members receive "almost daily updates" on threats "emanating from both domestic sources and overseas," Hershman says. "We get very easy access to secure information that only goes to InfraGard members," Schneck says. "People are happy to be in the know." On November 1, 2001, the FBI had information about a potential threat to the bridges of California. The alert went out to the InfraGard membership. Enron was notified, and so, too, was Barry Davis, who worked for Morgan Stanley. He notified his brother Gray, the governor of California. "He said his brother talked to him before the FBI," recalls Steve Maviglio, who was Davis's press secretary at the time. "And the governor got a lot of grief for releasing the information. In his defense, he said, 'I was on the phone with my brother, who is an investment banker. And if he knows, why shouldn't the public know?'" Maviglio still sounds perturbed about this: "You'd think an elected official would be the first to know, not the last." In return for being in the know, InfraGard members cooperate with the FBI and Homeland Security. "InfraGard members have contributed to about 100 FBI cases," Schneck says. "What InfraGard brings you is reach into the regional and local communities. We are a 22,000-member vetted body of subject-matter experts that reaches across seventeen matrixes. All the different stovepipes can connect with InfraGard." Schneck is proud of the relationships the InfraGard Members Alliance has built with the FBI. "If you had to call 1-800-FBI, you probably wouldn't bother," she says. "But if you knew Joe from a local meeting you had with him over a donut, you might call them. Either to give or to get. We want everyone to have a little black book." This black book may come in handy in times of an emergency. "On the back of each membership card," Schneck says, "we have all the numbers you'd need: for Homeland Security, for the FBI, for the cyber center. And by calling up as an InfraGard member, you will be listened to." She also says that members would have an easier time obtaining a "special telecommunications card that will enable your call to go through when others will not." This special status concerns the ACLU. "The FBI should not be creating a privileged class of Americans who get special treatment," says Jay Stanley, public education director of the ACLU's technology and liberty program. "There's no 'business class' in law enforcement. If there's information the FBI can share with 22,000 corporate bigwigs, why don't they just share it with the public? That's who their real 'special relationship' is supposed to be with. Secrecy is not a party favor to be given out to friends.... This bears a disturbing resemblance to the FBI's handing out 'goodies' to corporations in return for folding them into its domestic surveillance machinery." When the government raises its alert levels, InfraGard is in the loop. For instance, in a press release on February 7, 2003, the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Attorney General announced that the national alert level was being raised from yellow to orange. They then listed "additional steps" that agencies were taking to "increase their protective measures." One of those steps was to "provide alert information to InfraGard program." "They're very much looped into our readiness capability," says Amy Kudwa, spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security. "We provide speakers, as well as do joint presentations [with the FBI]. We also train alongside them, and they have participated in readiness exercises." On May 9, 2007, George Bush issued National Security Presidential Directive 51 entitled "National Continuity Policy." In it, he instructed the Secretary of Homeland Security to coordinate with "private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure, as appropriate, in order to provide for the delivery of essential services during an emergency." Asked if the InfraGard National Members Alliance was involved with these plans, Schneck said it was "not directly participating at this point." Hershman, chairman of the group's advisory board, however, said that it was. InfraGard members, sometimes hundreds at a time, have been used in "national emergency preparation drills," Schneck acknowledges. "In case something happens, everybody is ready," says Norm Arendt, the head of the Madison, Wisconsin, chapter of InfraGard, and the safety director for the consulting firm Short Elliott Hendrickson, Inc. "There's been lots of discussions about what happens under an emergency." One business owner in the United States tells me that InfraGard members are being advised on how to prepare for a martial law situation - and what their role might be. He showed me his InfraGard card, with his name and e-mail address on the front, along with the InfraGard logo and its slogan, "Partnership for Protection." On the back of the card were the emergency numbers that Schneck mentioned. This business owner says he attended a small InfraGard meeting where agents of the FBI and Homeland Security discussed in astonishing detail what InfraGard members may be called upon to do. "The meeting started off innocuously enough, with the speakers talking about corporate espionage," he says. "From there, it just progressed. All of a sudden we were knee deep in what was expected of us when martial law is declared. We were expected to share all our resources, but in return we'd be given specific benefits." These included, he says, the ability to travel in restricted areas and to get people out. But that's not all. "Then they said when - not if - martial law is declared, it was our responsibility to protect our portion of the infrastructure, and if we had to use deadly force to protect it, we couldn't be prosecuted," he says. I was able to confirm that the meeting took place where he said it had, and that the FBI and Homeland Security did make presentations there. One InfraGard member who attended that meeting denies that the subject of lethal force came up. But the whistleblower is 100 percent certain of it. "I have nothing to gain by telling you this, and everything to lose," he adds. "I'm so nervous about this, and I'm not someone who gets nervous." Though Schneck says that FBI and Homeland Security agents do make presentations to InfraGard, she denies that InfraGard members would have any civil patrol or law enforcement functions. "I have never heard of InfraGard members being told to use lethal force anywhere," Schneck says. The FBI adamantly denies it, also. "That's ridiculous," says Catherine Milhoan, an FBI spokesperson. "If you want to quote a businessperson saying that, knock yourself out. If that's what you want to print, fine." But one other InfraGard member corroborated the whistleblower's account, and another would not deny it. Christine Moerke is a business continuity consultant for Alliant Energy in Madison, Wisconsin. She says she's an InfraGard member, and she confirms that she has attended InfraGard meetings that went into the details about what kind of civil patrol function - including engaging in lethal force - that InfraGard members may be called upon to perform. "There have been discussions like that, that I've heard of and participated in," she says. Curt Haugen is CEO of S'Curo Group, a company that does "strategic planning, business continuity planning and disaster recovery, physical and IT security, policy development, internal control, personnel selection, and travel safety," according to its website. Haugen tells me he is a former FBI agent and that he has been an InfraGard member for many years. He is a huge booster. "It's the only true organization where there is the public-private partnership," he says. "It's all who knows who. You know a face, you trust a face. That's what makes it work." He says InfraGard "absolutely" does emergency preparedness exercises. When I ask about discussions the FBI and Homeland Security have had with InfraGard members about their use of lethal force, he says: "That much I cannot comment on. But as a private citizen, you have the right to use force if you feel threatened." "We were assured that if we were forced to kill someone to protect our infrastructure, there would be no repercussions," the whistleblower says. "It gave me goose bumps. It chilled me to the bone." Scary piece. And I have been listening to ALex Jones for years. (He's on acess tv here in our hometown of Austin). (See his website infowars.com). Obviously there was a reason for 9-11. Our Constitution was virtually shreded after that. (In fact Jones was the first- if not only -person to post the text of Pat Acts 1 and 11, which were terrifying to read. ) Watching this coming depression, knowing that it was promoted by the powers that be, is indeed as terrifying as it is perplexing. I have wondered many a time "why do they want to destroy this nation?" What is the real plan here? Killing off billions is a given. (But they always did that too). I agree that scarier times are ahead. Dawn

Thanks Greg for posting this essay. It is always gratifying to know that there really are historians out there who have grappled with this case. Why there are not more is what remains the true mystry. Dawn

Very interesting discussion. Charlie is also correct: we have never been a threat to them. So there is no need to put us in camps. Dallas proved to me that they can do anything and get away with it. With the media controlled and the populace consumed with survival few dig deeper. Admittedly what has occurred under this regime is terrifying. I tool love Naomi Wolfe and agree with her 100%, but also know that "they" controlled all as long as I can remember. Dawn ps Richard: welcome to the forum. I see that we are involved in some of the same work. I represent both children and parents in child protective services cases. It's tough work, often tragic but also rewarding.