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  1. Hey Bill: Probably old news to you, but as the link below indicates, though the FBI and WC discussed this subject matter in late January, 1964, note that the FBI did not return these materials to Ruth until late April, 1964. FWIW https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9988#relPageId=117&search=SULLIVAN_BRANNIGAN RUTH PAINE METAL CABINET
  2. This is indeed sad news. I had the pleasure of meeting Gerald at Harold Weisberg's home during one of my excursions to the National Archives in the late 1990's. To echo sentiments previously mentioned in this thread, "Breach Of Trust" will long stand as one of the great works dealing with the Warren Commission. RIP
  3. Micah: Doctors Robert Shaw and Charles Gregory who, as you are aware, both operated on John Connally, testified back-to-back on the afternoon of April 21, 1964, in Washington before members of the Warren Commission and its staff. However, if you read their testimonies carefully you will see that they were present in the room together as they testified. See 4H113 [Warren Commission Vol 4, page 113] Gary
  4. Many thanks for all of your work on this project Larry; I, for one, am greatly appreciative and look forward to the remaining parts of this book. On another note, good luck to yourself, Deb Conway, and everyone participating and/or involved in any way in the virtual conference this week. I am sure it will be a great success!!! Gary
  5. Another fantastic work, David – impressive and useful. Kudos … Gary
  6. David Boylan asked: “Gary, do you know if the Adelaide and the Joanne were the same ship?” And my original response was yes. Further to that… Hi David: I have done a quick search of some of my AMWORLD files in an effort to find substantiation of my thought that the AMWORLD/JMWAVE maritime assets “Joanne” and “Adelaida” were one and the same vessel. I am listing below two RIF numbers that I feel give some credence to this theoretical assertion on my part. You can search them on the MFF site in the CIA documents section. The thing to notice is in both instances though the individuals involved in these telephone conversations [all are well known to you – grin] talk about both ships, note where these records are to be filed – last page of each report, bottom left hand corner under “File:” You will find the name “Joanne” but not the name “Adelaida.” I cannot recall, off the top of my head right now, if I ever found communication between these individuals involved in AMWORLD indicating that a “File” under the name of “Adelaida” was ever set up. Both RIF “Agency” are CIA [files] RIF: 104-10162-10163 RIF: 104-10241-10060
  7. David: My short answer to this question is yes, I do believe that the “Joanne” and the “Adelaide” were one and the same. I am away from my research materials at the moment; when I get the chance I will see what I can find in the way of substantiation for this claim.
  8. Hi David: Again, no problem and thanks for the information. I am familiar with Hemming’s document, having come across it during my research into AMWORLD. I found some of his claims regarding the maritime assets to be surprisingly accurate. It has been some time since I deeply researched this subject matter, but I still possess the belief that various “mother” ships utilized by Artime and his associates were given multiple names for the same vessel. I know that in the case of the Olga Patricia this suspicion on my part was accurate. They also used to fiddle with the registries of the maritime assets again in an effort to obfuscate their true identity and the purpose for which the vessels were being used. The reason I initially inquired as to the time frame for the as yet discovered 1963 original COS PACY letter to Zamka was to see if it had anything to do with the Olga Patricia. From my perspective “Panama” or Panamanian interests enter into the history of this AKL mother ship offered to Artime. I have a third party copy of a document issued from the notary public office of the Republic of Panama dated August 11, 1964 regarding the transfer of a “mortgage” held on the Olga Patricia by the Inter American Lines, Inc., drawn in favor of the Coconut Grove Bank in Florida. As you are probably aware, the issue of the Olga Patricia as an AMWORLD/Artime maritime asset was first offered in June of 1963. At that time it was acknowledged that the Olga was under charter to an unidentified “AMRUM corporation” but could be purchased for an asking price of $175,000. The creators of the cable outlining this potential deal, JMWAVE, felt that a deal could be reached at a lower selling price, in the range of $125,000 - $150,000. JMWAVE further indicated that if this deal was “done AMRUM Corporation could then sell vessel to corporation set up by AMBIDDY-1. Urge consideration of this proposal.” I believe the corporation that was eventually set up by Artime and associates, Maritime Bam, were involved in these dealings and may have even been involved in the mortgage transfer document of August, 1964. This same deal was put together by a Panamanian lawyer, Ricardo Vallarino Chiara. My two cents FWIW Gary
  9. Hi David: No problem – and congratulations to you and Larry on this work. I hate to be a pest, but would you happen to have a link/reference to “the personal letter COS PACY sent Zamka…” apparently in the months prior to this document dated the day of the assassination? I am curious to see if it dovetails in the summer of 1963, say July – August. Thanks, Gary
  10. Hi Matt: Can you send me the MFF link [?] that indicates the sending of this letter regarding a boat? I might be able to shed some light on this from material in my AMWORLD file, but I need to see the document first. Thanks, Gary Murr
  11. Congratulations, Larry. I look forward to receiving my copy. And you, give up writing – even for a while? Never!! Gary
  12. Thanks for the update Larry – this is indeed great news! And kudos to Stu for taking on this task. From what little of the overall material John shared with me, I believe that we are all in for a fantastic cache of exiting document revelations that can only add to the overall research history of the events of not only the JFK assassination but also that of his brother, RFK. Gary
  13. Thanks for these resource materials, Bart; I, for one, greatly appreciate your ongoing efforts in supplying us with rare, hard to acquire documents. Gary
  14. Sandy Larsen said: “Huh? How does this John Connally quote indicate that the bullet hit him in the front of the chest? The back of the chest has ribs too. And besides, he suffered a punctured lung and the immediate pain he felt was likely from that and not from the bullet wounds. (IMO based on my own experience with flesh wounds, where pain comes on very slowly, as opposed to organ and joint trauma, where the onset of pain is immediate.)” You are absolutely correct on this point, Sandy. This is a fact made by the surgeon of record for this particular wound site, Dr. Robert Shaw. As Shaw indicated, one of the “side effects” of the exit wound on the Connally anterior chest wall is that as he attempted to breath his lungs, in particular his right lung, attempt to aspirate/exit out through the opening created by the exited missile. As Shaw further indicated, this is an extremely painful wound. The fact that Connally unquestionably felt excruciating pain as a result of this exit wound it is not clear indication that this was a wound of “entry.” I have known, or been aware of David Lifton, for approximately 50 years. My first contact with David stretches all the way back to the late 1960’s – early 1970’s, contact as a result of my work with Fred Newcomb and Perry Adams during the construct of their manuscript, “Murder From Within.” As David well knows, I am respectful of his research, though we might not always agree on theoretical end results. I also, as many here on this Forum may be aware, spent the better part of twenty years studying the Connally wounding process and only the Connally wounding event. Based upon my research into this matter, I must state that to me the concept that John Connally suffered any wounds as a result of an entry wound created by a shot from the “front” of the Presidential limousine is ludicrous. To paraphrase Daniel Patrick Moynihan, anyone is entitled to their own opinions – but not to their own facts. Gary Murr
  15. “(1) Why Gov Connally later (some years after his Warren Commission testimony) gave an account that he felt as if he were slammed in the chest from the front. Do you think Connally’s memory decayed with time; or is this a situation in which, to quote Josephine Tey, “Truth is the daughter of time”?” David: As someone who possesses more than a passing interest in the wounding of John Connally, can you indicate to me/us the source for Connally claiming “that he felt as if he were slammed in the chest from in front.”? Gary Murr
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