Evan Burton

Funny how the Russians are blocking any attempt to catch those who fired the missile.

I've seen the nutters claim that the MH370 wreckage could not have ended up on the island, that it must have been "planted". As usual, they are wrong: a prior example: http://hamptonroads.com/node/99661

Once again a wall a text and a failure to address the hard questions. That's a fail for your proposition, Steven. - Can you prove that all the deaths were people "opposed to 'Big Pharma'"? - Can you prove that all the deaths were foul play of some type? - Statistically, how many people of the medical community should we have expected to die during the period? - Based on that number, are the deaths you quote statistically significant?

I think that since all posts from #3 onwards have been from Steven we can conclude that this thread has run its course. Thread closed.

So you have one person, Dr Bradstreet: police say it was suicide but the family say it was murder. That's not conclusive but let's give it a conditional tick. What about all the others? What about the statistical significance?

Just avoid the hard questions, Steven.

You haven't answered any of the questions I put forward: - Can you prove that all the deaths were people "opposed to 'Big Pharma'"? - Can you prove that all the deaths were foul play of some type? - Statistically, how many people of the medical community should we have expected to die during the period? - Based on that number, are the deaths you quote statistically significant?

I see your usual tricks: if it supports what you say then it is truth; if it disputes what you say then it is evil or lies. Not a good practice to adopt, Steven. Anyway, I think that sometimes people are confusing Churchill's support of aerial bombing with that of bombing civilian targets. Shortly after air power became available to the military, it was seen as not much more than a reconnaissance tool. The bomber, though present, was pretty much under-utilised. A number of people saw how it could be used far more effectively in many theatres of combat. Have a read about Billy Mitchell, one of your own countrymen. He saw the coming of air power and the bomber but was court-martialled for trying to prove it. Anyway, the use of the bomber was seen as something that could destroy the enemy's ability to wage war. Its use on civilian targets is something else. Another example is from the book you linked to above: "Noble Cause Corruption, The Banality of Evil, and The Threat to American Democracy 1950-2008" (John Di Joseph, 2010 University Press of America). It says on page 4 of chapter 1: So, Churchill was not as bad as people make out. Yes, he turned to area bombing because he saw it as a way to win the war; he already had said that the British people could no longer afford to fight the war with the scruples which began it. The system of area bombing was not invented by him and was tried even during WWI. There were many people in the Air Ministry and the War Cabinet who believed there was no choice.

Sorry Stephen but it was even around during World War I. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_bombing_of_cities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bombing Also worth reading is (as used in a previous post by Steven) "Are we beasts?" by Christopher C. Harmon https://www.winstonchurchill.org/images/pdfs/for_educators/Harmon__Are%20We%20Beasts___np1[1].pdf See pages 4 and 5. Also from that same reference (page 9):

Whilst trying to find the number of medical personnel deaths per annum, I found this article: http://m.snopes.com/2015/07/21/five-holistic-doctors-dead/ To summarise it: "This rumor (like its predecessor) cherry-picked information that fit its narrative (such as timeframe) while discarding the facts that didn’t fit (such as mainstream area of practice or later-explained circumstances/arrests)."

That's an extremely biased look at Churchill, and not accurate in places. For example, the concept of area bombing was in place with the Air Staff well before Churchill; it was only with the bombing of Coventry and similar that Churchill supported the Air Staff request to employ area bombing. Daylight precision bombing was too costly in terms of crew killed and aircraft lost, and night precision bombing was not practical until the advent of improved navigation aids and techniques such as Gee, the Pathfinders, etc.

On the surface this looks worrying but I wonder if it really is? For example, 7 or 8 doctors dead. You intimate that it is because of "Big Pharma" or similar, where the doctors are killed because of alternative beliefs, etc. Being a naturopath, etc seems to be true for some of these people but not all; how many are confirmed to be proponents of alternative medicine? Next, some people do actually die of natural causes; until you can prove that their deaths were a result of foul play, the numbers don't count. Lastly, how do these deaths figure statistically amongst the medical community? Have significantly more doctors died during this period? I'd be interested to see if the numbers are actually statistically significant. After all, in the US there are about 2.3 million deaths annually and doctors make up 0.29% of the US population. A rough figure might then be that we should expect some 6800 deaths annually to have been people who were in the medical profession.

11 posts, all by the OP, and the topic has been open since March 2014. Thread closed.

REBOOT THE SUIT There is a kickstarter campaign to fund the full restoration of the EMU suit worn by Neil Armstrong during the Apollo 11 mission. More via the link below: http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/07/20/reboot_the_suit_preserving_neil_armstrong_s_spacesuit.html

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Notice how all of these 'predictions' never come true?

Greg Parker is suspended for 72 hours for offensive behaviour.

Hi David - welcome to the Forum. Always happy to greet Vets to the board.

Anderson Cooper, Ex-GOP Rep. Throw Down over Vaccine-Autism Link by Josh Feldman | 1:52 pm, February 5th, 2015 You know how there are lots of anti-vaccine people who say that vaccines give their kids autism? Well, that’s not true. It’s been thoroughly discredited. But former Republican Congressman Dan Burton believes that the mercury in vaccines can cause autism in children, and faced off against Anderson Cooper last night over that very subject. Burton insisted that he’s pro-vaccines, he just wants mercury to be removed from them. Cooper shot back that, actually, they were, years ago. The FDA, out of an abundance of caution, got the mercury compound thimerosal either completely eliminated or significantly reduced in all vaccines over a decade ago. But even with that, multiple studies have found no actual link between thiomersal in vaccines and autism in kids. Cooper repeatedly confronted Burton about this, even saying at one point that the hearings he held about this years ago “freaked out so many parents” unnecessarily. Burton kept insisting that all mercury is dangerous to human health and should be completely eliminated from vaccines, even though it pretty much has been at this point. Burton claimed there are studies backing him up, but Cooper just told him, “The preponderance of evidence is not in your favor.” Watch the full showdown below, via CNN: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anderson-cooper-ex-gop-rep-throw-down-over-vaccine-autism-link/

Anyone who is interested in the Apollo 11 landing might enjoy this: it is the audio from the landing, 16mm film from the LM onboard camera, on screen explanation of what is going on, etc. Highly recommended. Running time about 15 mins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RONIax0_1ec

G'day James - welcome to the Forum!

I also apologise for the XXXXX's appear in words. I'm guessing a 'banned word' filter has been turned on and whenever that combination turns up, it automatically censors them. Sadly, it doesn't know the difference between the word itself and when that combination of letters appears within another word. Thus when I want to describe someone who controls things, the word 'controller' gets censored. It is trying to get rid of a word that can be described to a mythical creature that live underneath a bridge.