Thomas H. Purvis

If so, he has kept it relatively quiet. But then again, having additional knowledge would certainly have come in handy in "blackmailing" Arlen Specter's vote on impeachment. Would it not????? Tom, "Dead serious", tells me that this was something that President Clinton would have had on his mind for a long time. Nevertheless, it's somewhat surprising that there seems to be nothing much to find about this on the Internet. Well, I'm gone just have to give him a call, no? :-) Well! Without going into any great detail, let's just say that a little "birdie" told him that in event he had any questions relative to the Kennedy assassination, that he should ask Attorney General Janet Reno. Personally, considering Specter's "back-paddling", me-thinks that he asked.

First off, might I recommend that one "doubt" anything stated and/or claimed by Tom Purvis. Unless of course he can provide some form of corraborating evidence to support the claim.* *See Altered Evidence on Mary Ferrell sight. Next, as those who have hopefully received the information by know are aware. 1. The survey information IS NOT to the rifle and/or it's position as held by Shaneyfelt. The survey information is in fact to the rifle position as held by FBI Agent Frazier as he sat down on boxes, with the weapon at the far right of the window. (as looking out). After the game of "musical chairs" in which Shaneyfelt stood at the Zapruder position and guided the re-enactment vehicle to designated spots, Mr. West thereafter surveyed in this information, as well as determination of angles and distances back to the rifle as held by Frazier in the window. 2. Thereafter, Frazier went to the Zapruder position and Shaneyfelt went to the Sixth Floor Window. Frazier guided the re-enactment vehicle to the previously marked & designated positions, and Shaneyfelt (in the sixth floor window) took re-enactment photographs from the position/location at which he set up the camera. (which was neither the location; position; nor angle, as determined from Frazier's having been at the window. "Nobody could have accurately fired that rifle from the way they had it "jacked up". Mr. Robert West to Tom Purvis during one of my visits to his home in Dallas in the early 1990's P.S. As those "in the know" are also aware, the angle back to the position of the rifle, IS NOT from the street elevation of Elm St. (which is not given anywhere within the WC evidence).

If so, he has kept it relatively quiet. But then again, having additional knowledge would certainly have come in handy in "blackmailing" Arlen Specter's vote on impeachment. Would it not?????

Sorry Tom you are wrong. The Altgens 6 and the recreation were taken from very nearly the same spot, about 1 foot apart. Forget the movable objects and concentrate the FIXED. It is clear that very little lateral movement has taken place. Check the LOS and do a bit-o-math and you will see the location is very near the location shown on the Don Roberdeau Plat. Which also fits nicely with the Z film. Check the LOS and do a bit-o-math and you will see the location is very near the location shown on the Don Roberdeau Plat. Which also fits nicely with the Z film. That would be a futile attempt at resolution of something from nothing! Since I have in my possession a copy of the full-sized Warren Commission survey plat, which has a scale of 1-inch = 10 feet, and this survey plat clearly shows the yellow curb mark at which James Altgens was standing beside, then absolutely no purpose can be served by attempting to resolve anything from the "Roberdeau Plat". And, since: The yellow curb marking is in the exact same place as it was during the previous SS, as well as FBI assassination re-enactments, then, again, the "Roberdeau Plat" is again useless. And lastly, since SS Agent Lyndal Shaneyfelt made hand-drawn notes during the FBI assassination re-enactment of 2/7/64, and one set of these notes shows precisely the yellow curb mark and James Altgens location in relationship to it, then again, the "Roberdeau Plat" continues to remain useless to me. Just for the uninformed, the Warren Commission ceased to publishe frames of the Z-film past Z334, which is just prior to James Altgens coming into view in the film. This too was one of Shaneyfelt's shenanigans. Thereafter, the Warren Commission, on paper, "moved" James Altgens position way back up Elm St, in order to make attempt at further confusion of where he was actually standing. Needless to say, the "horizontal" alignment of Altgens true position vs. his Warren Commission "make-believe" position, is not that great. But! The Street curb (and an "expansion joint" in it), ties Altgens true and exact position quite well, and the re-enactment photo was not taken from this position, which as stated, Lyndal Shaneyfelt knew to within a few inches from the days of the FBI assassination re-enactment.

Maybe the culprits figured all they had to do was plant a little false evidence and insufficiently smart people would accept that Oswald was the lone shooter. If so, history proved them right. Maybe they didn't anticipate the President's murder would be filmed with a home movie camera. Maybe the culprits realized that an honest investigation was highly unlikely. Maybe the assassination didn't go as planned. Or maybe the plotters didn't care what Oswald's shooting record showed because they never actually intended to hide the existence of a conspiracy - which is why they orchestrated the Mexico City charade and told the press and the White House that Oswald was plotting with agents of Castro. Maybe the assassination was a means to an end and not the final objective of the conspirators. Maybe Mr. Purvis can explain why, if Oswald was a "superior shot", his lack of rifle ability earned him the nickname "xxxxbird" from his Marine buddies. Maybe Mr. Purvis can explain why Oswald's fellow Marine Sherman Cooley said "If I had to pick one man in the whole United States to shoot me, I'd pick Oswald. I saw that man shoot, and there's no way he could have ever learned to shoot well enough to do what they accused him of." Maybe Mr. Purvis can explain why Nelson Delgado described Oswald's marksmanship "as a joke." Maybe Mr. Purvis can explain why Henry Hurt interviewed more than 50 of Oswald's Marine colleagues and found "virtually no exception" to the recollections of Delgado and Cooley. The simple answer is, and will always be, that "It is impossible to win in argument with an ignorant man."[/b] William G. MacAdoo And, to be even more specific, with anyone who has not taken the time and/or effort to review and/or understand what LHO's Rangefire Qualifaction Record indicates, as well as what those USMC Marksmanship Experts had to say in regards to the shooting ability of LHO. The fact that LHO wanted out of the USMC as soon as possible, should indicte to most that he could also care less about what his mandatory "requalification" score was. What you, I, or the fencepost thinks on this matter is, and will remain quite irrelevant. What the "Rangefire Qualification Record" of LHO indicates is the only true measure of his marksmanship ability. And, it demonstrates that LHO was a superior shot, or at least when he wanted to be.

When shooting from the standing/unsupported position, LHO was a relatively poor shot. When shooting at long range from a fixed position, with relatively high cross-winds, LHO had considerable difficulty in adjusting his sights to compensate for the cross-wind. (Which is more indicative of a math deficiency) He thereby was an extremely poor shot at this. When shooting from a "fixed" position at targets located at 300 yards, under normal firing conditions, LHO was a superior shot.---------As is evidenced by his true rangefire qualification record. In fact, had LHO fired a score at the two (of five) stations, with as high a score as he achieved at three of these five firing statins, then quite possibly the USMC would have invited him to their marksmanship school at which all USMC personnel attend before attendance as a "shooter" at the National Rifle Association's rifle matches. Tom P.S. Albert Einstein was not "dumb" just because he did poorly at several academic subjects, but one can rest assured that his overall academic "average" came no where close to demonstration of his genius in math. P.S. The "oxymoron" side of this is exactly why would anyone attempt to frame someone for the assassination, if the person to be framed was totally incapable of performance of the shooting feat? All of this purported "genius" in the framing of LHO, yet the culprits were insuficiently smart enough to pick someone who was even capable of making the shots?---------Give me a break! This does not even make sense to most fifth graders.

When shooting from the standing/unsupported position, LHO was a relatively poor shot. When shooting at long range from a fixed position, with relatively high cross-winds, LHO had considerable difficulty in adjusting his sights to compensate for the cross-wind. (Which is more indicative of a math deficiency) He thereby was an extremely poor shot at this. When shooting from a "fixed" position at targets located at 300 yards, under normal firing conditions, LHO was a superior shot.---------As is evidenced by his true rangefire qualification record. In fact, had LHO fired a score at the two (of five) stations, with as high a score as he achieved at three of these five firing statins, then quite possibly the USMC would have invited him to their marksmanship school at which all USMC personnel attend before attendance as a "shooter" at the National Rifle Association's rifle matches. Tom P.S. Albert Einstein was not "dumb" just because he did poorly at several academic subjects, but one can rest assured that his overall academic "average" came no where close to demonstration of his genius in math.

I will go back and pull the West Survey notes and get to you the street elevation for the actual (correct) frams of the Z-film that Mr. West was directed to survey in. Tom P.S. The Z100 comment has nothing to do with the Altgens re-enactment photo.

For simplicity, let's just say: Had James Altgens been anywhere near the position from which the "re-enactment" photo was taken from, then he would have appeared in the Z-film and thereafter, Specter; Shaneyfelt; & Company would not have had to cease publishings of frames of the Z-film at Z334. Which is of course prior to James Altgens coming into view in the film. Truthfully, nothing that difficult in understanding the WHY? of the majority of the WC's obfuscations. That is when one understands the reason for the WHY?

Chris! In event that you would like me to go back and refence the survey notes, I can give the "surveyed in" elevation for each of the Zfilm frames listed on CE884. Perhaps the "double-check" may serve some purpose. Tom P.S. Not unlike much of the "vehicle speed" and other mathmatic calculations, only those who have lived with this stuff will appreciate what you are actually making attempt to demonstrate.

Lynch was well respected and a faithful servant to his country. As were those who participated in the Son Tay Raid. But of course, the government lied to them as well! Tom

[ Martin, Tom Purvis has written up a scenario whereby 399 hits a tree branch, tumbles, hits Kennedy at the 7th cervical vertebra (right of it) 18 degrees down and 14 degrees right to left. It is tumbling clockwise if you are viewing Kennedy from a right profile and it enters base first. The base tends downward to rest on the apex of Kennedyls right lung and in the process of entering Kennedy a piece of lead from the base of 399 becomes detached from 399 and exits at a different angle from that of 399 itself,presumably due to its striking bone, or else Tom has some other explanation for this anomaly. According to Tom, the lead exiting fragment created a small wound in the anterior neck that fooled the Dallas doctors who saw the wound and said it was an entrance wound. At Lancer he had pictures that attempted to prove his point. Tom produced an excellent diagram showing the approximate path of 399 according to his theory, and I wish he would reproduce it here. Needless to say, since I think 399 is a plant, I don't buy his explanation, but Tom would do well at least to explain what he means more thoroughly. Done! Just that yourself and many others did not receive a copy of the publications. Tom P.S. The Sixth Floor Museum did though!

When one fully reads the testimonies and statements regarding exactly where CE399 was found, the old game of "Where's the pea" comes fully to mind. Rest assured that CE399 and JBC never met (physically). Tom P.S. It is BS that one can fire a WCC 6.5mm Carcano bullet into a drum of water and have it thereafter incur the anomalies which CE399 possesses. I'd like Tink Thompson to confirm or refute that, as I think he knows something about those tests being performed. Thanks, BK Since Mr. Thompson is now in possession of a complete/full description of all of the anomalies which CE399 exhibits, I too would like to see a committment along that lines. Tom P.S. One sure as hell can not achieve these anomalies on a WCC 6.5mm bullet by merely firing it into either a drum of water or a "cotton packed tube".

Clint Hill/aka the "running & Rising man. Might want to check out his first attempt at placement of a foot onto the rear bumper of the Presidential Limo and exactly how far he got with this attempt (as seen in the Z-film) Thereafter, one just may want to compare the Z-film with the Nix film. Tom I've done that Tom... and it does look like there are a few missing steps.. his right foot just seems to glide down the street Now you say that JFK was hit by 3 shots... and that the headshot creates the wrist wound to JC... (and most likely the small hole in JFK's neck) Aren't you missing the shot thru Connally's chest? The shot that hit the manhole cover area? The shot that caused dust and sparks to fly up just after the turn onto Elm? The multitude of witnesses related to the GK area shot(s)? The Tague shot? Point remains Tom... Kellerman and Hill describe a shot that occurs just as Hill is getting to the limo Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just about as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot, I believe it was, on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip with my hand, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car. Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car. She turned toward me and I grabbed her and put her back in the back seat, crawled up on top of the back seat and lay there. Mr. SPECTER. Now, referring to Commission Exhibit No. 354, would you mark an "X", as best you can, at the spot where the President's automobile was at the time the first shot occurred? Mr. HILL. Approximately there. Mr. SPECTER. And would you mark a "Y" at the approximate position where the President's car was at the second shot you have described? What is your best estimate of the speed of the President's car at the precise time of the first shot, Mr. Hill? This is absurd... he marks areas that are substantially UP the street when the zfilm puts him farther down the street and it is STILL not far enough down Elm to accurately describe the location... Can you please state specifically why you do not believe JFK was hit from the front at all? My understanding was that the tests done showed no way for a bullet to hit at the rear of a head and not cause substantial damage to the face.... the photos do not match the xrays which do not match the witness descriptions... Perfect DJ and that the headshot creates the wrist wound to JC... (and most likely the small hole in JFK's neck) NOPE! 1. CE399/aka first shot, is responsible for (a) shallow entry into the back of jfk ( small fragment of lead out neck of jfk. 2. Z313/aka second shot, is responsible for (cowlick entry) tremendous cerebral damage to JFK, as well as small fragment to right arm/wrist of JBC. 3. Third/Last/Final shot impact at survey stationing 4+95/directly in front of James Altgens, is responsible for (EOP ENTRY), completion of fragmentation and separation of portions of JFK's skull, passage through the mid-brain, exit from the frontal area of the parietal lobe of jfk, travelling onward/downward to strike JBC in the right rear shoulder as he lay over across the open area of the jump seats. Tom P.S. Shot#3 is in fact the one and only true "MAGIC BULLET".

As Judge Judy says: "If it don't make sense, it ain't true"! Tom

Unfortunately, it does not "prove" anything. It does however serve to support the other testimonies as to when the third shot impact occurred. In fact, if one will correlate the testimonies of Kellerman and Greer regarding transmission over the radio, with the testimonies of Agent Hill, they will find other testimonies which, when all placed into perspective, will serve to indicat that the third shot impact occurred just as James Altgens said it did. Directly in front of where he was standing. Tom P.S. And of course Nellie as well as JBC have repeatedly stated that the third shot impact which blew cerebral tissue all over them, occurred AFTER JBC was leaned over in the seat with his head in Nellie's lap. From this, and the survey plats and survey notes in my possession, it would now appear that the Warren Commission was severely lacking in their attempt at making one of the three shots (the third shot) disappear. As is usually the case, I don't really understand what you're getting at. Which shot are you saying Connally was struck by and when did it occur on the Z film? 1. Fragment from the Z313 jfk headshot to JBC's outstretched right arm. 2. The one and only true "magic"* bullet thereafter striking him in the right rear shoulder after he was laying over exposing his back and right shoulder between the open area of the jump seats. *It went through JFK's head first, prior to exiting downward and striking JBC, and thereafter has done an excellent job of "disappearing'. Tom P.S. Certainly glad that I never believed much of anything that the WC had to say. Especially that "circle jerk" reasoning regarding "THE SHOT THAT MISSED"!

Clint Hill/aka the "running & Rising man. Might want to check out his first attempt at placement of a foot onto the rear bumper of the Presidential Limo and exactly how far he got with this attempt (as seen in the Z-film) Thereafter, one just may want to compare the Z-film with the Nix film. Tom

Hi Don... "illuminating" subjects for me... ie the survey data mistakes and cover-up, deserves respect.... it is a very well done analysis that supposrts and makes sense of testimony at the scene.... but I do believe hew stops short BECAUSE of his conlcusions.... How he can quote Altgens yet not hear Brehm and Hargis and Hill describe skull being propelled back and to the left of JFK... along with all the other witnesses and the group that storms the GK.... Curry AND Decker sending men immediiately to the RR yard and overpass... etc.. And in our discussion over what Kleins sent customers who ordered c20-T750.. he readily admits that there is no evidence that any other customer ordering THAT item number rec'd the same type of rifle found in the TSBD... none. I indeed find him cryptic, eccentric, and very interesting. While presenting the data and evidence from which he bases his conclusions... The world accroding to FETZVISION and the wrath endured just to discuss anything with him is nauseating. IMO, HE'S one of the main reasons JFK CTs are not taken seriously on a grand scale... he'd rather fight you over Oswald in the Doorway... or Chaney motoring up much too soon... then discuss the evidence he offers and realize some of the holes in the logic, support and conclusions... I agree with much he concludes, like others, which makes his treatment all the more disturbing and deconstructive. yet again.... until the world was PROVEN round... you were seen as crazy if you said so... Jim MAY be in great company - and maybe time will tell. Cheers DJ 1. The "back & to the left has been correctly & fully explained by those who are far more an "EXPERT" in this field than am I. It happens to be simple physical fact when the exit wound to the head is fully examined. 2. Since, from an extremely reliable source, Klein's was undoubtedly a "CIA Front" arms dealer, the obfuscation of facts related to the acquisition of Carcano weapons by Klein's as well as their sale/disposal, is an understandable aspect of how the illicit arms supply (to revolutions & freedom fighters) was accomplished. Which, with LHO's prior activities of leaving his "scent" here, there, and everywhere, falls within the logic as to exactly why the/a Carcano was ordered from Klein's. And, that does not even take into consideration the usage of the WCC Carcano bullets. Tom P.S. One should not require a "one-time-pad" to decipher that!

When one fully reads the testimonies and statements regarding exactly where CE399 was found, the old game of "Where's the pea" comes fully to mind. Rest assured that CE399 and JBC never met (physically). Tom P.S. It is BS that one can fire a WCC 6.5mm Carcano bullet into a drum of water and have it thereafter incur the anomalies which CE399 possesses.

Why? Because factually, it is completely irrelevant as to what Tom Purvis "believes". All that matters is what the forensic; ballistic; pathological; and physical facts support. Which by the way, have and will continue to demonstrate that LHO was in fact a superior shot, just as is the Model 91/38 (or the Model 38) Carcano a weapon of superior accuracy. As to whether LHO was or was not the shooter????? Since I was in Ohio working at the time, my "crystal ball" would not cover the distance to Dallas. LHO most assuredly had the ability to achieve what was achieved!------Three shot, three hits. But then again, in event that someone was going to make LHO the "designated rabbit", it is most unlikely that they would have chosen someone who could not achieve this relatively simple shooting feat. Lastly, for someone who is of the opinion that they know me so well, you are certainly in error in thinking that I believe the "ridiculous conclusions" of the Warren Commission. For the "OFFICIAL RECORD"-----The Warren Commission is an intentional obfuscation of the simple facts of the assassination. AKA:----A lie!

For the "official" record: The exit wound determination by the autopsy surgeons was in the vicinity of the right temple. This, when coupled with the EOP entry, makes a "left-to-right" passage of the projectile. Yet, Dr. Boswell clearly indicated that the EOP entry and bullet pasaage was found to be from "right-to-left". HMMMMMMM? Another of those enigma's! Secondly, the Z313 impact merely removed the top portion of the skull of JFK as well as the "blowout" of an area of the temporal bone, as is observed in the Z-film. The third/last/final impact in the EOP area is what completed the fracture and fragmentation (of the already weakened/compromised) skull, and this is what caused the large "blowout" in the back rear of the head as well as completion of separation of the large skull fragment which Clint Hill observed on the seat of the limo after he had made it aboard. Tom. P.S. Might want to read up on when Clint states that the separation of the skull bone occurred. If recalled correctly, it was something like the time frame from when he first got a foot onto the bumper of the limo, until the time that he managed to fully mount onto the rear of the limo. P.S. Forgot to mention, there were only three shots fires, all three shots were fired from the sixth floor window of the TSDB, and all three shots struck JFK. Plus! The Z313 impact is/was/and will always remain, Shot#2. You cannot be absolutely certain there were only 3 shots lol. I am personally inclined to believe there were far more. Nope! But I can be damned sure that JFK was hit by ONLY the three shots fired from the sixth floor of the TSDB. Perhaps one should begin to carefully review the Zapruder film (& other photographic evidence) in attempt to see if any of these other mythological "shooters" were merely killing pidgeons. They most certainly could not have been shooting at JFK and ALL of them missed everyone as well as that big car.

As to shooting as JFK approached the TSDB, this one has been "beat to death" multiple, multiple times. It would have been one of the most difficult shots to attempt to achieve due to a variety of reasons. As to the number of shooters, for all I know there may have been 47 or more. Just that JFK was hit by ONLY the three shots that were fired from the sixth floor of the TSDB. Guess all of those others were worse shots than was LHO (purportedly)

For the "official" record: The exit wound determination by the autopsy surgeons was in the vicinity of the right temple. This, when coupled with the EOP entry, makes a "left-to-right" passage of the projectile. Yet, Dr. Boswell clearly indicated that the EOP entry and bullet pasaage was found to be from "right-to-left". HMMMMMMM? Another of those enigma's! Secondly, the Z313 impact merely removed the top portion of the skull of JFK as well as the "blowout" of an area of the temporal bone, as is observed in the Z-film. The third/last/final impact in the EOP area is what completed the fracture and fragmentation (of the already weakened/compromised) skull, and this is what caused the large "blowout" in the back rear of the head as well as completion of separation of the large skull fragment which Clint Hill observed on the seat of the limo after he had made it aboard. Tom. P.S. Might want to read up on when Clint states that the separation of the skull bone occurred. If recalled correctly, it was something like the time frame from when he first got a foot onto the bumper of the limo, until the time that he managed to fully mount onto the rear of the limo. P.S. Forgot to mention, there were only three shots fires, all three shots were fired from the sixth floor window of the TSDB, and all three shots struck JFK. Plus! The Z313 impact is/was/and will always remain, Shot#2.

For the "official" record: The exit wound determination by the autopsy surgeons was in the vicinity of the right temple. This, when coupled with the EOP entry, makes a "left-to-right" passage of the projectile. Yet, Dr. Boswell clearly indicated that the EOP entry and bullet pasaage was found to be from "right-to-left". HMMMMMMM? Another of those enigma's! Secondly, the Z313 impact merely removed the top portion of the skull of JFK as well as the "blowout" of an area of the temporal bone, as is observed in the Z-film. The third/last/final impact in the EOP area is what completed the fracture and fragmentation (of the already weakened/compromised) skull, and this is what caused the large "blowout" in the back rear of the head as well as completion of separation of the large skull fragment which Clint Hill observed on the seat of the limo after he had made it aboard. Tom. P.S. Might want to read up on when Clint states that the separation of the skull bone occurred. If recalled correctly, it was something like the time frame from when he first got a foot onto the bumper of the limo, until the time that he managed to fully mount onto the rear of the limo.

Unfortunately, it does not "prove" anything. It does however serve to support the other testimonies as to when the third shot impact occurred. In fact, if one will correlate the testimonies of Kellerman and Greer regarding transmission over the radio, with the testimonies of Agent Hill, they will find other testimonies which, when all placed into perspective, will serve to indicat that the third shot impact occurred just as James Altgens said it did. Directly in front of where he was standing. Tom P.S. And of course Nellie as well as JBC have repeatedly stated that the third shot impact which blew cerebral tissue all over them, occurred AFTER JBC was leaned over in the seat with his head in Nellie's lap. From this, and the survey plats and survey notes in my possession, it would now appear that the Warren Commission was severely lacking in their attempt at making one of the three shots (the third shot) disappear.