Adam Wilkinson

Robin,

Thanks for the photos. Do you have any additional info on the man who Haire saw being arrested?

Cheers.

John,

Excellent work, i’m following with keen interest.

James,

I have read that at 1:51PM on Nov 22, Bernard J. Haire, owner of Bernie's Hobby House, located two doors east of the Texas Theater, walked through his store and out into the back alley when he saw police cars arrive. Haire, at the time was unaware of the assassination news. In the back alley he saw police bring out a young white man dressed in a pullover shirt and slacks. The man appeared flushed as if having just been in a struggle, Haire was under the impression that the man was under arrest. He watched as the police put the man in a police car and drove off. Haire was under the impression he had witnessed the assassination [sic] of LHO. However, it is to my understanding that LHO was brought out of the front door of the theatre? Then who was this man that Haire witnessed being arrested...?

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"...the arrest of LHO."

--Thomas

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Thanks Thomas, I'll edit my posts from now on.

James,

I have read that at 1:51PM on Nov 22, Bernard J. Haire, owner of Bernie's Hobby House, located two doors east of the Texas Theater, walked through his store and out into the back alley when he saw police cars arrive. Haire, at the time was unaware of the assassination news. In the back alley he saw police bring out a young white man dressed in a pullover shirt and slacks. The man appeared flushed as if having just been in a struggle, Haire was under the impression that the man was under arrest. He watched as the police put the man in a police car and drove off. Haire was under the impression he had witnessed the *arrest of LHO. However, it is to my understanding that LHO was brought out of the front door of the theatre? Then who was this man that Haire witnessed being arrested...?

James and Gary,

Thanks for the information on the photos. Much appreciated

Adam.

James,

Do you know where abouts the last photo was taken along the motorcade route?

True, I once attempted to translate a Spanish site, It made less sense with the english translation than it did in the Spanish.

Some additional info:

On Nov 22, at 2:30 PM, a plane took off from Redbird Airport, witnessed by Louis D. Gaudin, the air traffic controller. It is a white and green Comanche-type aircraft. Gaudin speaks with the planes three well dressed occupants. Fourty minutes later, the plane returns to the airport with only two occupants. It is met by a part-time employee who is moonlighting from the DPD. The plane then takes off again. According to CIA documents released in 1977, two Cuban men arrived at the Mexico City airport from Dallas, via Tijuana, on a twin-engine aircraft. The CIA receives "highly reliable" information that the men were met at the Mexico airport by Cuban diplomatic personnel from the Cuban embassy. One of the men then boarded either a FAR or Cubana Airlines plane, avoiding customs and traveled to Cuba in the cockpit so as to avoid mixing with the passengers.

The Zapruder debate again...I would have to go with # 2.

Ron,

Garry Mack seems to think so too. I am also coming to this conclusion. Thanks for the thoughts.

At first I admit, I did believe that Iraq had nuclear weapons, only as a result of lies and manipulation in the media. I know don't think Iraq had any nuclear weapons since the First Gulf War...

Thanks Tim

Here's the top 10 "Bushisms"

10) "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream." —LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

9) "I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." —Greater Nashua, N.H., Jan. 27, 2000

8) "I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft." —second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004

7) "You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." —to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb.

6) "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." —Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004

5) "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

4) "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." —Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000

3) "They misunderestimated me." —Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

2) "Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?" —Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

1) "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

If we enhanced the s**t out of it, I suppose we could see whatever we wanted to see, however without enhancement I see what could quiet possible be boxes stacked up against the window, coincidently slightly shaped like a human figure...

Apologies, I think you might be right, I think it is The killing of a President. Will try and find the right page number soon. Could not upload the image, so I have uploaded it here instead

I need help identifying this picture that Robert Groden published in his book The Men Who Killed Kennedy. It is a small insert on page 14, that shows LBJ talking on the phone while he is in his limo in the motorcade. Somebody I know asked Groden personally about the source of the picture but Groden did not know.

Does anybody know what photographer took the picture? and where was he along the motorcade route at the time?

{Having trouble uploading the image, will try again}

Al Gore was in London and met the Queen. Gore asked the Queen about her leadership philosophy. The Queen said she found that the best way to govern was to surround herself with intelligent people. “But how do you know they are intelligent? Gore asked. “I ask them testing questions. For example, when Tony Blair became leader of the Labour Party, I telephoned him and asked the following question: “Your mother has a child, your father has a child and this child is not your brother or your sister. Who is it?”

“Why it is me,” said Tony Blair, without a pause.

“Correct!” said the Queen.

Gore returned to America and called George W. Bush: “Mr President, may I ask you a question?” he said. “By all means”, said the President.

“Your mother has a child, your father has a child and this child is not your brother or your sister. Who is it?”

George Bush was stumped and remained silent for a while before saying, “May I get back to you on that, Al?” He asked all his closest aides before finally ringing Colin Powell, to whom he posed the telling question. Powell, like Blair, replied, without pause: “It’s me.”

George Bush rang Gore and said: “I know the answer to your question. It’s Colin Powell.”

“Wrong,” said Gore. “It’s Tony Blair.”

President Bush was visiting a primary school and he visited one of the

classes. They were in the middle of a discussion related to words and

their meanings. The teacher asked the President if he would like to lead

the discussion on the word "tragedy". So the illustrious leader asked

the class for an example of a "tragedy".

One little boy stood up and offered: "If my best friend, who lives

on a farm, is playing in the field and a tractor runs over him and kills

him, that would be a tragedy."

"No," said Bush, "that would be an accident."

A little girl raised her hand: "If a school bus carrying 50 children

drove over a cliff, killing everyone inside, that would be a tragedy."

"I'm afraid not," explained the president. "That's what we would called a

great loss." The room went silent. No other children volunteered. Bush

searched the room. "Isn't there someone here who can give me an example

of a tragedy?"

Finally at the back of the room a small boy raised his hand. In a quiet

voice he said: "If Air Force One carrying you and Mrs. Bush was struck

by a "friendly fire" missile and blown to smithereens, that would be a

tragedy."

"Fantastic!" exclaimed Bush. "That's right. And can you tell me why

that would be a tragedy?"

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"Well," says the boy, "It has to be a tragedy, because it sure as heck

wouldn't be a great loss and it probably wouldn't be an accident

either.

Thanks Bill,

He sticks out like a sore thumb to me too.I've made up this gif animation which makes him blatantly clearer for those like Len who doubt and who can't see him.I hope this helps.

Duncan

That does make it clearer but to me it looks like he is holding a camera probably a metallic (or other light color) 35mm rangefinder. What ever it is it appers (to me atleast) to be wider than it's tall, rectangular, and light colored and thus NOT a bottle of Coke.

What does everyone esle see?

Len

With the help of the animation, I can see what MAY or MAY NOT be a coke bottle. To me it also appears that it could be a camera or possibly binoculars.

Although not having to do with the Z film, here are some

Witness statements:

Bo Byers: (Houston Chronicle reporter) " The presidential limousine almost came to a stop, almost to a dead stop"

Bob Clarke: (ABC reporter) reported on air that the limousine stopped on Elm street during the shooting.

Merriman Smith: (UPI white House reporter) "The presidents car, possibly as much as 150 or 220 yards ahead, seemed to falter briefly."

James W. Courson: (DPD motorcycle officer) "The limo came to a stop and Mrs Kennedy was on the back. I noticed that as I came around the corner of Elm. Then the Secret Service agent helped push her back in the car, and the motorcade took off at a high rate of speed."

Bobby Joe Dale: (DPD motorcycle officer) "After the shots were fired, the whole motorcade came to a stop...."

Clemon Earl Johnson: (standing on the triple overpass) "You could see it (the limo) speed up and then stop, then speed up, and you could see it stop while they threw Mrs. Kennedy back in the car..."

Robert Macneil: (NBC reporter) "The president's driver slammed on the brakes - after the third shot."

Henry Burroughs: (AP photographer) "We heard the shots and the motorcade stopped"

Earle Brown: (DPD patrolman) "....it stopped...after it made the turn and when the shots were fired, it stopped."

Bobby Hargis: (DPD motorcycle officer) "...the presidential car slowed down.."

D. V. Harkness: (DPD sergeant) " I saw the first shot and the President's car slow(ed) down to almost a stop."

John Ready: (SS agent) "...the president's car slowed"

Mrs. Earle Cabell: "I was aware that the motorcade stopped dead still..when the sound of the shot was heard"

Phill Willis (Sth Est corner of Elm & Houston) "...(came) to a temporary halt before proceeding onto the underpass"

Nellie Connally: " JFK's car did not accelerate until after the fatal head shot"

Robert Baskin: (Dallas Morning News reporter) "the motorcade ground to a halt"

Mary Woodward: (Dallas Morning News reporter) "the car came to a halt"

James Altgens: (AP photographer) "...the driver of the limo apparently realised what had happened and speeded up towards the Stemmons Freeway..."

Alan Smith: (Nth pergola, close to Hesters) "...The car went about 5 feet and stopped"

Mrs. Ruth M. Smith: (2nd floor court house) "The presidential limo came to a stop"

Mary Moorman: "The President was moving at the time I took the second picture, and when I heard the shots I have the impression that the car either stopped momentarily or hesitated and then drove off in a hurry"

My results:

Economic Left/Right: -7.00

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.56

It appears to be Japanese....

We found out what it was!

City of Dallas

1644

Pub Wks Dept.

So much for the preliminary enhancement....

He is mentioned briefly in the Warren Commission:

Volume XXVI: CE 2964

and here

Thanks Steve, I am slowly reading through the Jack threads and through the case book site, should be able to add comments soon,

Cheers,

Adam.

Adam, jump in when your ready,I will soon present a new seminar topic on the witnesses, with particular reference to those whose evidence is, at best questionable, Mr Packer et al, your views would be welcome.

Steve.

Cheers Steve, looking forward to it.