Thomas Graves

________________________________________ Welcome to this forum, Ian. Thomas ________________________________________

________________________________________ Tim, If, as you admit, Russo arrived at a certain untenable idea ("issue"; "theory") due to "errors in his reasoning process," then how did he arrive at "the truths" in his book? Research? Blind Luck?? An Ouija board??? Thomas ________________________________________

______________________________________ Ron, Yes, indeed. Thanks... Thomas ______________________________________

This seems to be a growing problem. Especially for the man who thinks he employs Tim. His productivity must be very poor. Mind you, his mate George Bush, is another one who does not believe in working very hard for his money. The main problem is the one identified by Bill Kelly this morning. Tim often posts to redirect the thread. He does this by making silly jokes or by posting something about his theory that Castro/KGB did it. I feel it is time I stopped Tim from doing this. Therefore I will be deleting his postings if I feel it is an attempt to hamper the discussion that is taking place. ______________________________________________ John, Thank you so much! Thomas ______________________________________________

____________________________________ Yeah, but only from the waist up... ____________________________________

__________________________________ I agree you you, Adam. The first tramp is/was way too short to be C.V.H. The first tramp was probably that Charles Rogers guy. FWIW, Thomas __________________________________

______________________________________ Absolutely. Next question...? ______________________________________

Tim, Why are you trying to monopolize this forum? It's about 2 AM (Thursday, December 8) here in San Diego. I just now logged on and I see the name "TIM GRATZ" 10 times-- 3 times as the starter of a particular topic/thread and SEVEN times as the most recent poster to a particular "thread." Jeez Tim, give us a break... (Please?) We already know what you believe to be true. (Talk about "beating a dead horse")... IMHO, Thomas P.S. Do you get up at 4:30 every morning just so you can have more posts visible on the "front page" than any other member of the Forum? (Or do just stay up all night, like me?) ______________________________________

_______________________________________ Yo tambien, Senior. Yo tambien. FWIW, Tomas _______________________________________

___________________________________________ Oh No! Not affluent AND wealthy, too! (That combination is worse than EFFLUENT!) Just kidding, Thomas (Actually I agree with you, but don't tell Tim G) Stools!! ___________________________________________

_________________________________________ Robin, Ahh, yes............. I remember noticing that car in an earlier posting. Thanks for reminding me... Thomas _________________________________________

_____________________________________ Robin, I've got a stupid(?) question: Where and when was this photo of the Rambler station wagon taken? Thanks, Thomas _____________________________________

_____________________________________ Yes, it's definitely a Rambler station wagon. (I should know-- I used to have a used one in the early-mid 1970's.) Seriously, Thomas _____________________________________

_______________________________________ Excellent work, Jim Thomas _______________________________________

________________________________________ Just imagine! Forty-three "lone nuts" working at Dallas City Hall! (And I thought it was a conspiracy....) FWIW, Thomas ________________________________________

_____________________________________ Or from a "desperate housewife" to a handsome jogger? FWIW, Thomas _____________________________________ __________________________________ Seriously (actually), Maybe, just maybe, the words "please, please" are the critical part of the encrypted message (if indeed it is an encrypted message to the "Running man"). FWIW, Thomas __________________________________

The way the book deals with Oswald is that he was the intended patsy (or future hero) for the planned assassination of Castro. Although the authors don't make this point, as it relates to Ron's observation about the time lag for silencing him, if Oswald was the C-Day plot's patsy, the actual assassins would have had no need to eliminate him. If all he knew was about the C-Day planning, the real threat was to that operation, and not to the piggyback artists who killed Kennedy. In that sense, the Mafia could have had the same sense of being set up as a patsy, organizationally, as Oswald. This would explain why Oswald wasn't killed immediately. P. 90: "If the Cuban people were told by the coup leader that Fidel had been murdered by a Russian or a Russian sympathizer - for example, someone who had spent a couple of years in Russia and had recently met with a KGB agent at the Russian Embassy in Mexico City - the Soviet troops would have to 'remain in their compounds' to keep from being attacked by the Cuban people." PP. 656-658: "Oswald was anxious because all his years of undercover work were about to pay off.... He must have been told he would be going to Cuba soon, via Mexico City, but that his assignment would be over relatively quickly. That's consistent with Oswald being an asset for C-Day, which was planned to happen in a month or less. Oswald would not have been told much about C-Day, only that he was going into Cuba in support of some very important, US-backed action against Castro.... If the person blamed for Castro's death were seen as a Russian sympathizer, it would be believable in the eyes of the world, given the recent strains between Castro and Russia. Blaming Castro's death on a Russian sympathizer was the only way to instantly neutralize the thousands of Russians - and all their equipment - that remained in Cuba." Regarding the idea that some incident other than an assassination was piggybacked in Dallas, on pp. 701-702: "There is one unconfirmed report from a mob associate that some type of demonstration or incident relating to Cuba was planned for Dealey Plaza that day. Oswald may have been told that some sign would be unfurled from a window, or otherwise displayed, that would embarrass JFK with a pro-Castro message, and that this would create news stories like he'd had in New Orleans - supposedly causing the Cubans to welcome him this time when he tried to get into Cuba." I don't understand the mention of "one unconfirmed report from a mob associate" when there is more corroboration, and from areas not traditionally considered related to the Mafia. We know that H. L. Hunt's security chief wrote him in a memo dated November 4, 1963: "There is another report from a left-wing group that an incident will occur with the knowledge of the President whereby the left-wingers will start the incident in hopes of dragging in any of the right side groups or individuals nearby and then withdrawing." T.C. __________________________________________ I wonder if LHO had an inkling that he was being/had been set up as a patsy in either the planned (?) assassination of Castro or the "hit"/assassination of Kennedy. Perhaps he did and said inkling was reflected in his(?) note to "Mr. Hunt" concerding (sic) his role.......? FWIW, Thomas __________________________________________

______________________________________ Hi Ron, I agree. If the Mafia hired Tippit, "hiring him was like losing two good men." IMHO, Thomas ______________________________________

_______________________________________ Tim Gratz, "biased??" IMVMHO, Thomas _______________________________________ _____________________________________________ I fully agree, John, but I'm afraid that not only will Gratz believe Russo's theory whatever anyone else says, but also that he believes Russo's theory whatever Russo himself says... FWIW, Thomas _____________________________________________

________________________________________ This conclusively proves, does it not, that the assassin was a Communist by the name of "Ork," and that the assassination itself was a Castro-Trafficante "Eep Opp" rather than a CIA-Mafia "Black Opp." I rest my case (for about five minutes), "T" ________________________________________

_____________________________________ John, Yes I have, actually, and I STILL can't find it! (Just kidding, as usual) Thomas _____________________________________

_______________________________ But Tim, I really don't see what's so funny about his name. After all, lots of lawyers play a play a musical instrument... Thomas _______________________________

___________________________________ Tim, Methinks you give me too much credit on such a cerebral issue... OK, you're right (for once), so in the interest of maintaining our wonderful culture, hows abouts "Bughum?" My own true heartwarming little Thanksgiving story is that in the Czech Republic I had a doctor once (no, not a psychiatrist) whose name, translated into English, was "Dr. Turkey!!!" Needless to say he howled with laughter when I told him that my father was "Dr. Graves." Cheers, Thomas ___________________________________

______________________________________________________ Hey Thomas. The excellent post above was Duke Lanes. I'm also looking forward to what he photographed - as I probably won't make Dallas again for awhile. - lee ______________________________________________ Duke and Lee, Sorry about the mixup. My bad. Thomas ______________________________________________

_______________________________________ Really?? Wow. Gosh. I didn't know that! (Maybe it's all just part of the Castro-Trafficante conspiracy.) lol _______________________________________