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On 9/26/2023 at 3:50 PM, David Von Pein said:
A Landis Summary.....
As of the time I'm writing this post on September 26, 2023, I think there are five versions of Paul Landis' "bullet" story, with versions 2 and 3 being virtually identical. I'll outline those versions and variations below:
Version #1: November 1963. In this earliest version, via two separate Secret Service reports (one of which is extremely long and detailed), Landis doesn't say a word about seeing or finding any type of "bullet" or "bullet fragment":
PAUL LANDIS' REPORTS (11/27/63 & 11/30/63)
Version #2: November 1983. In this version, which appeared in at least two Ohio newspapers, Landis tells Associated Press writer Tim Curran that "there was a bullet fragment on the top of the back seat" which Landis said he "picked up and gave to somebody":
THE COSHOCTON (OHIO) TRIBUNE (NOV. 20, 1983)
GREENFIELD (OHIO) DAILY TIMES (NOV. 22, 1983)
Version #3: November 1988. This version is nearly identical to Version 2, with the only difference being that Mr. Landis, in 1988, doesn't specifically say he found the fragment "on top" of the back seat. In his 1988 interview, he merely says he found a fragment "on the seat".
But another key difference in this 1988 article is the fact that the reporter/writer has placed quotation marks around the key words being spoken by Mr. Landis, indicating that these words (shown below) are not just a mere paraphrasing on the part of the author of the article, but instead represent a direct and verbatim quote coming from the mouth of Paul E. Landis Jr.:
"I distinctly remember there was a bullet fragment on the seat which I picked up and handed to somebody."
THE COLUMBUS (OHIO) DISPATCH (NOV. 20, 1988)
Version #4: 2010 (in the book "The Kennedy Detail"). In this version, like the 1983 and 1988 newspaper accounts, Landis says he saw a bullet "fragment" in the back portion of JFK's limousine. But in this 2010 version, unlike the earlier articles from the 1980s, Mr. Landis doesn't say anything about giving the fragment to another person. Instead, he says he placed the fragment "on the seat".
Here's the complete excerpt concerning Landis and the "bullet fragment" as it appears on Page 225 of the 2010 book "The Kennedy Detail" (with thanks going to Vincent Palamara for providing the screen capture linked below):
"When Agent Paul Landis helped Mrs. Kennedy out of the car he saw a bullet fragment in the back where the top would be secured. He picked it up and put it on the seat, thinking that if the car were moved, it might be blown off."
PAGE 225 OF "THE KENNEDY DETAIL" (2010)
Version #5: Landis' current version, which first surfaced publicly in September 2023, which has Landis now saying he saw and picked up a whole bullet off of the top portion of the back seat of the Presidential limousine on 11/22/63, with Mr. Landis, unlike all previous statements he has ever made concerning the discovery of any type of "bullet" material, now claiming to have put that whole bullet in his pocket and then carrying it himself into Parkland Hospital where he then placed the whole bullet at the foot of the stretcher being occupied by John F. Kennedy in Trauma Room #1.
INTERVIEW WITH PAUL LANDIS (SEPT. 12, 2023)-------------------------------
DVP's JFK Archives / Discussion About Paul Landis
So he saw a fragment and a whole bullet?
Two items?
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On 9/9/2023 at 11:34 PM, David Von Pein said:
Yes, it is a bit confusing. One of the blurbs on Landis' Amazon book page specifically says this:
"Landis learns about the raging conspiracy theories—and realizes where they all go wrong."
He surely isn't totally ignorant of the fact that JFK also had a wound in his throat. Or is he?
~shrug~
On 9/12/2023 at 10:04 PM, David Von Pein said:So, what's your point?
To say Hello, David.
Good to see you are still fact checking this 60-year old mystery.
RIP to the many JFK truth seekers who are no longer with us. (McAdams, Hunt & others)
You asked “Is he?”
Yes he is. He mentions it.
Landis writes a book late in life. Good for him. He deserves accolades not the pillory pole. I trust his motives are good. I doubt a man who held a bullet retrieved from the limo on the day of the assassination would ever forget that fact.
Of course, some will doubt, find contradictions and dismiss his account.
But, holding that bullet seems an action one would never forget.
Ciao
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David VP,
Honourable day one witness Landis is fully aware of the throat wound, David.
I praise him for coming forward with this new evidence.
I thank him for his new
. bullet point.
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When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. The magic bullet did not come in contact with bone; the magic bullet was free of blood; the magic bullet was found at the top of the seat where the folding roof was joined to the car: bingo, the magic bullet was planted before the motorcade began, Watson. Discover who planted the bullet, and I’ll pay for lunch.”
The Case of the Magic Bullet
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A lengthy excerpt:
“On June 22, 1962, an intelligence official drafted a memo summarizing a letter intercepted between Lee Harvey Oswald and his mother. The memo was made public long ago. But for 60 years, the name of the letter opener was kept secret.
Now it can finally be told: According to an unredacted copy of the memo released recently by the government, the official who intercepted Oswald’s mail for the C.I.A. in the months before President John F. Kennedy was assassinated was named Reuben Efron
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The mystery of Reuben Efron, who has been dead for three decades, may never be resolved to the satisfaction of some of those dedicated to studying the assassination. Thirty years after Congress ordered that papers related to the killing be made public with limited exceptions, President Biden has declared that he has made his “final certification” of files to be released, even though 4,684 documents remain withheld in whole or in part. Going forward, agencies will decide any future disclosures that may be warranted by the passage of time.
The president’s certification, issued at 6:36 p.m. on the Friday before the long Fourth of July holiday weekend, when it would not draw much attention, has frustrated researchers and historians still focused on the most sensational American murder of the 20th century. But they suffered a setback on Friday when a federal judge refused to block Mr. Biden’s order.
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Of roughly 320,000 documents reviewed since the law passed, 99 percent have been disclosed, according to the National Archives and Records Administration. But 2,140 documents remain fully or partially withheld as a result of Mr. Biden’s action, officials said, while another 2,502 remain withheld for reasons outside the president’s purview, like court-ordered seals, grand jury secrecy rules, tax privacy limits or restrictions imposed by people who donated papers, and 42 for a mix of both.
A vast majority of excluded documents have actually been released but with certain parts redacted, officials said, including names of people still living, addresses, telephone or Social Security numbers, or locations of intelligence facilities. Officials said they were confident that none of the withheld information would change the essential understanding of the assassination.
While Mr. Biden’s June 30 order means he is done, the archives and agencies have set up “transparency plans” so remaining redactions can be lifted in the future, such as upon the death of someone whose identity was protected.
The Mary Ferrell Foundation, an organization already suing the government over the files, sought an injunction against Mr. Biden after his latest order. But Judge Richard Seeborg of the Federal District Court in Northern California rejected it on Friday night and dismissed other parts of the original lawsuit, though he allowed some claims to proceed.
Lawrence Schnapf, a lawyer for the foundation, denounced Mr. Biden’s action. “It is simply unfathomable to me that a man who has a bust of R.F.K. in his office and who voted for the law would cave in to the incredulous claims of the national security bureaucracy that 60-year-old records pose such a risk to national security that they cannot be released,” he said.
The Justice Department declined to comment but maintained in its filings that the government had complied with the law. The C.I.A. did not respond to requests for comment. “This completes the review of records required by Congress and fulfills the president’s commitment to maximizing transparency related to President Kennedy’s assassination,” said Adam Hodge, a spokesman for the White House.
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The final 1,103 documents released days before Mr. Biden’s order and those made public in preceding months offered new information that hardly seemed worth keeping cloaked so long. In April, for instance, a file was released with names of employees in the C.I.A.’s Mexico City station, mostly secretaries and translators. Another document listed 27 previously unreleased C.I.A. staff members’ names; for whatever it is worth, the C.I.A. director John McCone’s secretaries were named Marguerite Beard, Betty Davis and June Irish.
Whether any of the withheld documents would shed more light on Reuben Efron is unknown. His name on the mail intercept memo intrigued Mr. Morley. The memo was sent to Betty Egerter at a C.I.A. unit known as “the office that spied on spies.” On the day of the assassination, Egerter’s boss told the F.B.I. that the C.I.A. had no information on Oswald, who in fact had been monitored when he moved to the Soviet Union. A document released long ago showed that the agency opened Oswald’s correspondence from Nov. 11, 1959, to May 1, 1960, and again from July 1, 1961, to May 25, 1962.
Curiously, Efron was previously listed as being in the room when the Warren Commission interviewed Marina Oswald, his Russian-born widow, in February 1964 — the only one present whose title and role were not explained. Mr. Morley suspects Efron was monitoring the commission’s investigation for James Angleton, the legendary C.I.A. official, essentially his “eyes and ears inside the room.”
Efron was born in Lithuania in 1911 as Ruvelis Effronas and arrived in the United States via Cuba in 1939, according to immigration papers that described him as a 5-foot-3, 135-pound “merchant-salesman.” In addition to English, he spoke Russian, Lithuanian, Hebrew, Yiddish and German, and served in the Air Force during World War II as an interpreter. His obituary said that after the war he was “a specialist on the Soviet Union and consultant on foreign affairs” without saying for whom.
In a harmonic convergence of conspiracy, Efron reported seeing a U.F.O. in 1955. He was traveling with Senator Richard Russell, Democrat of Georgia, and an Army colonel on a train trip through the Soviet Union when all three spotted what a C.I.A. report called two “flying saucers.” Skeptics later suggested they were Soviet aircraft. Russell was among the Warren Commission members in the room for the Marina Oswald interview that Efron attended in 1964.
As it happened, Efron died on Nov. 22, 1993 — the 30th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination. His wife has died too, and he had no known children. Efforts to reach other family members were unsuccessful.
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Note: JFK Revisited is included with Crave Canada.
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The Spartacus bio of Allen Dulles contains an error.
"Allen Dulles, the son of a Presbyterian minister, and the brother of John Foster Dulles , was born in Washington in 1893....."
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAdullesA.htm
Nope. Allen Dulles was born in Watertown, New York on April 7, 1893.
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Robert Caro's April 2, 2012, New Yorker article: Transition, Lyndon Johnson and the events in Dallas
Abstract only.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/04/02/120402fa_fact_caro
Summary
Peter Fokes,
Toronto
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Excerpt from article by Jim Schutze in the Dallas Observer News entitled: "The Sixth Floor's Message to History: Just Hush Now":
"John Judge, an assassination historian in Washington, said to me last week: "A moment of silence that denies talking about his death on that day and certainly not talking about the historical truth behind it and the controversy is no longer a moment of silence. It's a perpetuation of silence."
Judge said it doesn't matter that we can't see exactly who is behind this push. We can see exactly what they want.
"We know the underlying theme. There is going to be a humungous crowd, and they want to catch it and capture the message and control it."
Judge was one of a few I spoke to who are already thinking in terms of what to do. "Maybe we have to do 'Occupy the Grassy Knoll 2013,'" he said.
What a terrific idea. In fact it would be the perfect marriage of physical occupation — the seizing of a place — with concepts of truth and freedom. And what a grand stage it could be, especially with all those cameras hovering.
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Judge had what I thought were very creative thoughts. Especially if the city goes really Super-Stalin and rings the place with cops, he thought perhaps it might be fun for counter-protesters to re-enact one of the theories about how the conspirators may have escaped.
"They could reverse the route," he said. "They could go down to the Trinity River bottoms, enter the storm sewer system, crawl uphill to Dealey Plaza and pop up out of the manhole covers."
Oh, wouldn't that be spectacular?
Look, I'm serious about organizing something, but only if anybody else wants to do it. My role would be only to put you together. Some sort of steering committee? Or not. The thing has to grow organically.
Do it without me. Just do it. Meaning them no disrespect, this cause should expand to include more than the community of people interested in JFK. Everybody with a speech issue should be welcome, even though I know that includes the birthers.
Everybody. Come on down. Send me an email at (...) Don't use that little contact dealie on the web page. That may be a placebo. Send me a real email. If you want to anonymize, do so. We'll get it all figured out.
End of Excerpt
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quote on
'Tom Scully--30 January 2012
http://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2012/nr12-60.html
January 30, 2012
National Archives Accessions Newly Discovered Post-JFK Assassination Tape Recording
.....Washington, DC…Today the National Archives announced that The Raab Collection, which deals in historical autographs, has donated to the National Archives an original audiotape recording described as "Radio Traffic involving AF-1 in flight from Dallas, TX, to Andrews AFB on November 22, 1963." A digitized version of the two-hour-and-twenty-two minute recording is now available on the National Archives web site [http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/air-force-one-tape.html]. Reference copies of the recordings are available for on-site researchers at the following National Archives research rooms: the National Archives College Park, MD facility; the John F. Kennedy Library in Boston, MA; and the Lyndon B. Johnson Library in Austin, TX...
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Hopefully Bill Kelly has seen this...
Here's a snippet:
beginning 52 minute mark of tape 1:
Voice 1: "The body will be choppered to the Naval Medical Center at Bethesda. Over."
Voice 2 "The body will be choppered or go by ambulance to the Naval Center?"
Voice 1: "Will be choppered. Will be choppered."
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Voice 1: "Say again, say again doctor."
Voice 2: "The body is in a casket you know, and will have to be taken by ambulance, not by chopper."
Voice 1: "Alright I'll tell Capt Shepard that."
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General Clifton: "We do not want a helicopter for Bethesda Medical Center. We do want an ambulance and a ground return from Andrews to Walter Reed and we want the regular post-mortem that has to be done by law under guard performed at Walter Reed. Is that clear?"
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PF
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http://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2012/nr12-60.html
You can listen to the tapes in mp3 format here:
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-NARA-JFK-ASSASSINATION-AUDIO/content-detail.html
Also note: "The National Archives’ Lyndon Johnson Presidential Library has a *different version* of the recording, which is approximately 40 minutes shorter."
Peter Fokes,
Toronto
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Prior to the Long coat/ TJM/Signal, the IBM looking guy with glasses seems to be in more of a hurry to take his 2 friends
In front of TJM
I don't think the two are related. IMHO.
Kathy C
Oh those guys! They look like Operation Phoenix guys Colby (William) and Milberg (Warren). Or maybe their cousins!
Cheers
PF
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I have always had problems with the Witt testimony not just on the above, but how many people keep the same umbrella for 15 years? It does not appear that Witt did so since it appears to be the wrong one.
I have no opinion on whether or not it "was" the same umbrella, but ....
IF it was, and IF I had been the person in Dealey Plaza pumping it up and down in protest the moment JFK was assassinated, then I "would" have kept it to my dying day.
Perhaps, an heir would have had the pleasure of selling said umbrella at an auction for an enormous sum ...
That umbrella would have been a precious keepsake for me. No doubt about it.
Umbrellas are cheap.
Where is THAT umbrella today anyway?
Regards,
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John McAdams wrote:
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,5417.0.html
At least as good as the Badgeman analysis. But maybe no better.
Peter Fokes writes:
But that link leads to a page that shows the enhanced sniper nest man resembles
Tan Jacket Man from the Hughes film, not Oswald.
Does the enhanced sniper nest man really resemble the Tan Jacket Man?
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I cant wait to buy this book and read it
And just like all the King books that I own and read, I will read it as fiction
If you buy the eBook version, you will not only "read" the book but also "view" a 13-minute film.
However, as Amazon notes, "Audio/Video content only available for iPads, iPhones, and iPod Touch devices."
From Amazon:
"This Enhanced eBook Edition contains a 13-minute film, written and narrated by Stephen King and enhanced with historic footage from CBS News, that will take you back—as King’s novel does—to Kennedy era America."
No DVD accompanies the hardback edition .... I presume.
Anyone going to be "reviewing" the book after "readviewing" it?
hehe ....
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Lee's time cards, approved with the initials 'JB,' would be admitted. Many other documents discovered by researchers following details Judyth remembered could also be brought into the record.
Linda, can you please provide a link to any time card bearing the initials "JB" as you reference above?
To my knowledge, and I did study the cards and was involved in a thread discussing them 2 or 3 years ago, there is NO Oswald time card that bears the initials "JB." His time cards bear various initials ... expected practice in companies where cards were often looked over, hours tallied by hand, and initialed. A few of Oswald's time cards bear what looks like a rather unique "J." Where do you see a "JB" on any card?
What could you say in rebuttal that would be admissible? Opinions are not admissible without proving credentials as an expert. Unless you were there, you can offer nothing except documents that contradict her own story. If you have such eye-witness testimony or documentary evidence, bring it forth. Otherwise, your opinions have no value and would not be heard by our court.Researchers have produced many documents that are in direct conflict with claims Judyth has made. Most, but not necessarily all, have been posted both here and on other forums over the last few years. These include, for example, correspondence from Roswell Park Cancer Institute that Judyth did not complete the program there "as she was dismissed" ... annual reports from the National Science Foundation (NSF), from whom Judyth claims to have received scholarships and grant monies, show no such monies given to her or any project she claims to have been involved in ... a letter from the American Cancer Association saying that after thoroughly researching my query, they find NO Judy Vary in their records as ever having received scholarships, funds or equipment from them (this is aside from the $250 science fair prize she received from the local Florida chapter while in high school)... and 3 way documentation concerning her claim that an evening Russian class was started for her at Manatee Junior College, not the least of which is the school class catalog that lists an evening Russian class already in place.
Those items would be admissible in your ... or any ... court.
Judyth has been telling her story for over a decade now. On the internet, in reams of e-mails to many, many people, in radio and video interviews, in assorted manuscripts and in two published books. She has hardly been stifled by anyone. The claims of any emerging witness require verification .... that should not only be expected, it should be welcomed by all whose interest is in the accuracy of our history and the integrity of any research efforts that may stem from reports of an emerging witness.
Bests,
Barb :-)
Is this the same Linda Minor who runs a blog called "Quixotic Joist: I'm forever chasing windmills"?
If so, Ms. Minor is surely engaged in her favourite pastime ("chasing windmills") if she persists in thinking folks offering rational criticisms of Judyth's story are not capable "jurors."
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Available in Kindle Edition
Product Description
Killing Castro
Edward Jay Epstein did ground breaking interviews with members of the Warren Commission for his undergraduate thesis on how the government seeks truth (later published as the best-seller Inquest: The Warren Commission and the Establishment of Truth.). What no one knew then was that on the day of the assassination on November 22,1963 the CIA was sponsoring its own jackal to kill Castro. The CIA report on its jackal was kept in such secrecy that all the copies , except one, was destroyed, and everyone involved in writing it was embedded under an oath of silence. Killing Castro, which is based on, and includes this report, casta a new light on the JFK assassination. Did the CIA set in motion an assassination plot that backfired and resulted in the tragedy in Dallas? An EJE Original
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Interesting article on E-publishing
Can E-Books Pay Off for Writers?
by Edward Jay Epstein
August 8, 2011
After publishing fifteen conventional books, I decided this spring to embark on a venture to publish e-books, that is, books that would be read on Kindles, iPads, smartphones, and Nooks. The advantage I see is that one can publish short new non-fiction books on current topics without going through the traditional book publishing process. This week, for example, I e-published Killing Castro, based on a secret CIA report (which I include) that shows that an assassination plot sponsored by Kennedy to kill Castro might have resulted in the assassination of Kennedy. Within twelve hours, it climbed to No. 16 on the American history best seller list, which is not that difficult given the velocity algorithm Amazon uses.
Full article: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/business/2011/08/can-e-books-pay-writers/40975/
Epstein's released another E-Book, and this one appears to be considerably shorter than his Killing Castro effort. (Did not spend any schekels to download them.)
James Jesus Angleton: Was He Right? An EJE Original [Kindle Edition]
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A new biography of James Jesus Angleton by Edward Jay Epstein that asks the question: was he right after all? Angleton was the legendary head of CIA counterintelligence during most of the Cold War.. In May 1987, in one of his last phone calls, he told Dick Cheney, who was then a member of the House Intelligence Committee, that he needed to tell him in person something of vital importance. Even though Angleton died before the scheduled meeting, taking this secret to the grave with him, his mystery lived on.
John Le Carre could not have invented a character as intriguing as Angleton. He was ridiculed in the media, Congress, and in the CIA itself, when his mole hunt failed to find a spy in the CIA Investigative journalist Edward Jay Epstein tells of his rise, fall, and the astounding revelations that emerged in the CIA after his death. Epstein .spent hundreds of hours interviewing him to understand the mind of this unique mind warrior. He met with him in orchid greenhouses in Kensington, Maryland, dining clubs in Washington DC, and his home in Tucson, Arizona to follow the convoluted layers of his universe of deception. Epstein also was one of the few journalist to interview his arch nemesis: Yuri Nosenko. In this extraordinary book, he sets out to answer a single question: Was Angleton right that the CIA had been penetrated?
Along the way we also learn much about the CIA and KGB during the cold war years, including:
+ Why KGB defector Yuri Nosenko was imprisoned by the CIA ...
+ What was Angleton’s role in the CIA assassination plots against Castro ...
+ How the CIA allowed the KGB to disinform two Presidents.
+ What weaknesses KGB spies Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen exposed in the CIA
Product Details
Format: Kindle Edition
File Size: 91 KB
Publisher: EJE Publications (September 6, 2011)
Sold by: Amazon Digital Services
Language: English
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http://www.amazon.com/James-Jesus-Angleton-Original-ebook/dp/B005LPE5SC/
Epstein's getting up there .... closing in on 80.
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I've never understood the popularity of Stephen King.
I never understood either
Me neither,(fornit some fornus) Dean!
I have never read one of King's books. I prefer "literature." I just re-read Mrs. Dalloway, and some short stories of Flannery O'Connor.
At the moment I am reading John McAdams book, JFK Assassination Logic. It is an enjoyable read especially if you do not feel threatened by an intelligent fellow who is able to make strong arguments in support of the Warren Commission. I am also reading Enduring Violence: Ladino Women's Lives in Guatemala by Cecilia Menjivar. I have commented elsewhere that McAdams is a courteous critic of chameleon witnesses and many conspiracy theorists and avoids the bombast and ad hominem of Bugliosi.
In all likelihood, I will read this King novel, and enjoy it no matter what stance he takes on the assassination controversy.
Then I will re-read Henry James' What Maisie Knew and look forward to the upcoming movie starring Alexander Skarsgård and Julianne Moore.
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I see that Peter Janney's book, Mary's Mosaic: Mary Pinchot Meyer & John F. Kennedy and Their Vision for World Peace is due to be published in January 2012.
For some background on the permutations of this book, see:
Beware: The Douglas/Janney/Simkin Silver Bullets
By James DiEugenio
PF
I'd like to hear John Simkin's view of these events, if he can put it into fewer words.
BK
I dealt with all this on 10th October 2007:
Thank you for drawing my attention to the previous thread.
But Janney's "new" book will soon be arriving with -- if you are correct - new interviews.
So the debate is ongoing.
As Bill Kelly suggests, there is no harm in "reading" the book before "casting judgement."
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I see that Peter Janney's book, Mary's Mosaic: Mary Pinchot Meyer & John F. Kennedy and Their Vision for World Peace is due to be published in January 2012.
For some background on the permutations of this book, see:
Beware: The Douglas/Janney/Simkin Silver Bullets
By James DiEugenio
PF
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Hugh,
I have added a link to a TIF version of the image. If you click on the "View in TIF format" link near the top of the page, you will be able to magnify the document to your heart's content and it should not become grainy!
Try it
http://www.toronto.hm/ss_maasdam7.html
If there are requests to see the remaining pages of the list in TIF, I will add the link to the other pages as well ..... but ya gotta ask ...
Have fun!
Regards
Peter Fokes
Peter,
Wow!!! Thanks. That is a great image. If it is possible to do that for the other pages as well you would make me even more happy :-)
Thank you so much for your efforts!!!
Done! (except for one page)
Start here:
http://www.toronto.hm/ss_maasdam.html
I have included the TIF link near the top of every page (except for one page, 1a). Maybe if I keep searching my old files, I will find the page starting with "Brand" and ending with "Duk." I stored these pages away six years ago, and have no idea where the one missing page has gone!
No doubt the CIA snuck in and stole it! Must contain the smoking gun! Ha, ha.
Keep smiling.
Peter Fokes,
Toronto
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Oswald in Holland, and on the Orient Express, by
Perry Vermeulen:
http://oswaldinholland.web-log.nl/
Thanks to Robert Howard for calling attention to this site.
BK
Years ago I was politely asking this guy, "Perry Vermeulen", for a copy of the ship log/passenger manifest of the Maasdam showing Oswald. He shined me on for weeks. He repeatedly said he would email me a copy. He continued making excuses why he couldn't like he was on a trip, must be a long trip as I'm still waiting to see it.
Now I was not asking for it to see Oswald's name, I was looking for other names. Whom else was aboard, etc. I notice he uses crops of the pages with LHO and his ship cabin neighbor. Never going to get him to share it...Does anyone have a Maasdam passenger manifest besides this dead end?
The passenger list made its first appearance on the internet in 2006 on my website. After publishing the complete passenger list, I had several online discussions with Perry. Mark Bridger also tried to contact me.
The "Oswald" page first appeared in May 2006. Here is the URL:
http://www.toronto.hm/ss_maasdam7.html
You can go through the list page by page by clicking the "next" at the bottom of each page. Start here:
http://www.toronto.hm/ss_maasdam.html
If anyone wants paper copies of the list, ask, and I'll dig them out of my old files.
Regards,
Peter Fokes,
Toronto
Thanks for the link! I tried to blow the image up, but then the words become a bit grainy (I hope I spelled that word right...)
So I hope the original is a bit better. Off course I let you know.
Hugh,
I have added a link to a TIF version of the image. If you click on the "View in TIF format" link near the top of the page, you will be able to magnify the document to your heart's content and it should not become grainy!
Try it
http://www.toronto.hm/ss_maasdam7.html
If there are requests to see the remaining pages of the list in TIF, I will add the link to the other pages as well ..... but ya gotta ask ...
Have fun!
Regards
Peter Fokes
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Peter:
I just went through all the major points in the film.
If you want to bring up one of the old wives' tales about JG, fine.
But that is outside the film.
I mean you can only do so much in three hours.
The last Old Wives Tale I spent any time pondering was written by Arnold Bennett.
Too bad Raymond Burr was not well enough to play the role of Garrison.
He might have declined anyway. Garrison lost.... in a heartbeat.
Of course, Hollywood loves to idealize characters, make them larger than life.
But Costner really could never hope to match Garrison's bigger-than-life persona.
Costner could only be earnest.
Regards
Peter
Paul Landis Revelation About Assassination Bullet
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted · Edited by Peter Fokes
clarify
Here a bullet, there a bullet, everywhere a bullet.
Trouble is no one really knows how many bullets there were.
Dismissing one agent's story about "A" bullet because it contradicts another agent's story about "A" bullet begins with a false premise unless there is a DEFINITIVE count of bullets found.
And that is murky at best. Some bullets might have gone missing. Into the abyss.