Lynne Foster

Sorry Tim Carroll. At least he's a funny flaming right winger. Frankly, I get the impresion that he has been paid to continue to "seal" the truth -call me paranoid, but that's my instinct.

I generally avoid "me too" posts, but I have to say that Larry is making a crucial point here. This really is looking through the glass darkly, and anyone seizing on any particular explanation must necessarily suspect that someone intended that perception as well. It was classic Kennedy modus operandi to develop as close to a legitimately indigenous uprising as possible, with the smallest U.S. footprint that could be created with sleight-of-hand and misdirection. Why else would we have to burglarize our own Armories for weapons? T.C. Tim, if you are discussing the Kennedy assassination, I think that these are Mafia/FBI alliances that are most relevant.

Adam, tell Dawn, your handler, to give you a life, you need it.

Not as much as I split my sides. You are the disbarred lawyer who is trying to convince John that Castro is responsible for the murder of President John F. Kennedy. Tim, I enjoy your posts, as always. By the way, you made an intelligent comment on this thread, are you trying to keep everybody guessing? It looks like you think you are a sophisticated cover up artist. The interesting thing about this thread is that not one of you dares to defend Hoover the way you defend Garrison -yet I don't see the difference, do you see the difference?

Much saner than all the Republican alter egos who pat each other on the back. You know, that shrink and Ron, who claim to know everything -hey, if you join them you can call yourselves the 3 Stooges. As usual Mark, you prove that you are a fool. Keep up the good work ! By the way, I am not talking to myself, I merely point out interesting facts as I find them. If you have a problem with that, tough luck ! So why don't you take your advice and staff off my thread, since you obviously have nothing to contribute.

Is this another Cuban Operation? just curious

McNamara could say much more, but he is probably not able to, because the real truth is a matter of national security secrecy. I mean, if the testimony of a nut like David Ferrie can be sealed, McNamara has to be very careful about what he can say and what he cannot, to keep the truth about the Kennedy assassination buried. Don't take Tim seriously, he's a partisan Republican activist, as far as I can see. John, I think that Tim is just being deliberately provocative, but you are correct about comparing Bush and Goldwater, and concerns about China. The Cold War should be over, we shouldn't have concerns about China, and it is McNamara who said that if American foeign policy does not change course, we will be at war with China in less than 10 tyears. I think this Mcnamara has proved to be smarter than Rummie, the world should heed his warning and make the prospect of war with China unthinkable, as it should be. I hope Rummie demonstrates McNamara's capacity to learn before he really messes things up the way McNamara did.

It seems to me, in November of 1963, when J. Edgar Hoover determined that David Ferrie's testimony would be sealed and classified a national security concern, Hoover was trying to hide his involvement in the Cuban Operation, the covert, illegal effort to send equipment and arms to Cuba, to overthrow Fidel Castro. This alliance explains why Jim Garrrison did not try to destroy the Marcello organization. Those who supported covert operations in Cuba were in a position to blackmail J. Edgar Hoover and Jim Garrison, but blackmail was probably not even a concern because the alliance between the Mafia and corrupt officials was evidently voluntary. That would explain J. Edgar Hoover and Jim Garrison's reluctance to recognize organized crime -Hoover and Garrison recognized the covert, Cuban Operation to destroy Castro and that was evidently their priority concern. I think this is a good link about Jim Garrison's new Orleans.

Let me quess, probably not. All the information I can find about FBI dominated, Cuban Operations fall under the heading, "Dare to reveal what the Warren Report conceals." Is that the general drift?

I'd expand that. Garrison protected Marcello and Hoover -remember, there was no such thing as organized crime as far as Hoover was concerned. I mean, think about it. Hoover's FBI did not fight organized crime, they supported anti-Cuban operations to fight communism. Garrison, Hoover/Banister and Marcello protected each other, it makes total sense. That's the Cuban Operation that Hoover is talking about, and he did not know to what extent Oswald was involved. Does the Warren report say anything about the Cuban Operation, Tim?

Have you read the above Dawn/Adam? Are you people merely trying to deflect attention away from all of Jim Garrison's illegal activities?

It is no small coincidence that Guy Banister, who clearly knew Lee Harvey Oswald, was in charge of anti-Cuban operations in Mexico. David Atlee Phillips: As we've seen, CIA propaganda expert Dave Phillips, a veteran of the CIA overthrow of Guatemala's government in 1954, was involved in both the Castro assassination plots and the CIA counterintelligence operation against the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, working under Watergate's James McCord. By the Fall of 1963, he was in charge of anti-Cuban operations in Mexico City at the time of Oswald's visit, but was out of town and didn't return until about a week after Oswald left; a cable from Mexico City suggests the CIA station there held materials about Oswald's visit for Phillips to pick up. Every key source who tried to tie Oswald to Castro after the assassination had links to Phillips. source I still think that the key relationships here, as they relates to the Kennedy assassination cover up are Banister/Hoover, the FBI players of the Cuban Operation, and Jim Garrison, the official who helped Hoover and Johnson bury information about the illegal, Cuban operation. Does the Warren Report mention the Cuban Operation?

Most people who post on this board point out flaws to demonstrate their superiority. Research is about discovery, it is not an effort to prove that you know more than the other person does. POINT? Well, since nobody can point to a single flaw on this thread, I guess it's flawless LOL By the way, thanks to the exploration that was encouraged by John Simkin's question about the Cuban Operation, it is safe to say that one of the areas that evidently links Kennedy assassination conspirators and corrupt law enforcement officials is the Cuban Operation, a massive, illegal effort to smuggle guns and equipment to Cuba, with the intent to overthrow Castro. I also think that these covert operations could not proceed without the authority of corrupt law enforcement officials like Jim Garrison and J. Edgar Hoove [through Guy Bannister] and that is why Hoover's FBI and Jim Garrison "debriefed" David Ferrie in November 1963.

Harold Weisberg is the best and he proved that both that both James Earl Ray and Oswald were framed, and this document essentially proves that J. Edgar Hoover framed Lee harvey Oswald.

In retrospect, the Cuban Operation was probably the biggest illegal export operation in the history of the United States. I think you opened up a can of worms here John, only problem is, Tim Gantz, who loves to argue in the safe zone, is still trying to prove that the Communists did it, so American, illegal exports are not seriously discussed, by those who try to monopolize your message board.

That's a shame because I get the impression that you are as committed to distorting the truth as i am to explore it. I think the key in this thread is that it strongly suggests that Jim Garrisson, who was in a position to stop the Cuban Operation [all the illegal exports to Cuba] was also a cover up artist since at least 1963, when he and Hoover temporarily muzzled another key, Cuban Operation player, David Ferrie. You can ignore Adam, we all know who controls him -that would be Garrison's old pal, Dawn.

No wonder I am talking to myself here. You all claim that Jim Garrison is a hero, is he a hero because he was probably the "legal authority" behind the Cuban Operation? Check this out: Garrison's New Orleans was a hotbed of illegal, covert paramilitary operations where corruption, disguise and deception had produced an intelligence cottage industry. In the 1960's, it was the city where the Mafia, anti-Castro exiles and self-styled intelligence spooks joined hands to celebrate what they called their patriotic bonds and to condemn their common enemies -Castro, Communists, Liberals... Entrenched interests dominated the order of the day. In particular, New Orleans was a mature organized crime haven, where political campaign contributions and outright bribery insulated Mafia bosses like Carlos Marcello. In the final analysis, the power source of the city that made its own rules and regulations as it went along, was the cozy relationship between Mob Lords like Carlos Marcello and high ranking law enforcement officials like Jim Garrison. In retrospect, the fact that the city where evasion and denial was honed to a science, came to dominate the Kennedy assasination investigation, is not at all surprising. Now this CLARIFIES EVERYTHING !

Czar Hoover decided that there were 3 shots, just 3 shots, none hit the curb or the sidewalk, and Lee Harvey Oswald fired each and every one of them and he determined ALL that on November 29, 1963. Now if you want to introduce the truth into evidence, you have to acknowledge the fact that Hoover framed Oswald. Is that the point you are trying to make here?

Hoover does not mention it in this report, so they don't exist.

My hunch about Cuban Operation is panning out: W. Guy Banister, ex-FBI man, recommended by Hoover ... was simply a way to use his name for an illegal operation of smuggling into Cuba. ... 1). The FRIENDS OF DEMOCRATIC CUBA was formed on January 6, 1961, a mere two weeks prior to the Bolton Ford Dealership incident where not only the name "Oswald" was being used, but in fact Oswald was being impersonated, and, 2). W. Guy Banister, ex-FBI man who was once recommended by Hoover while he headed the Chicago FBI Office, was on the Board of Directors for this newly-formed organization. 7 With proof that Oswald was known personally to officers of a group which Banister was connected for the purpose of aiding anti-Castro activities as early as 1961 at hand, it becomes fairly easy to see how this incident might have anticipated later anti-Castro actions during the summer of 1963 in New Orleans with Banister and Oswald once again taking center stage. Source of above is JFK Lancer I know they smuggled guns as well as trucks -I think the fact that they were able to smuggle trucks makes the operation even more substantial than originally thought.

FORMER THEORY DELETED: NEW CONSENSUS: (albeit, still tentative) The Cuban Operation is the FBI/Mafia campaign to run guns to Cuba through players like Jack Rubenstien and Guy Bannister.

Is that a consensus? Is the Cuban Operation the FBI/Mafia campaign to run guns to Cuba through players like Jack Rubenstien and Guy Bannister?

What do you think about the Cuban Operation, was Hoover talking about illegal gunnrunning to Cuba?

My apologies, I think my above post needs to be revised: _______________________________________________ I think that any good historian who carefully analyzes this November 29 document and compares it with the Warren Commission report cannot avoid the conclusion that Hoover Framed Oswald. In particular, these are the most interesting parts: ........that there are a number of stories which tied Oswald to the Civil Liberties Union in New York in which he applied for membership and to the Fair Play for Cuba Committee which is pro-Castro, directed by communists, and financed to some extent by the Castro Government. The President asked how many shots were fired, and I told him three. He then asked if any were fired at him. I said no, that three shots were fired at the President and we have them. I stated that our ballistic experts were able to prove the shots were fired by this gun; that the President was hit by the first and third bullets and the second hit the Governor; that there were three shots; that one complete bullet rolled out of the President's head; that it tore a large part of the President's head off; that in trying to massage his heart on the way into the hospital they loosened the bullet which fell on the stretcher and we have that. He then asked were they aimed at the President. I replied they were aimed at the President, no question about that. I further advised him that we have also tested the fact you could fire those three shots in three seconds. I explained that there is a story out that there must have been more than one man to fire several shots but we have proven it could be done by one man. The President then asked how it happened that Connally was hit. I explained that Connally turned to the President when the first shot was fired and in that turning he got hit. The President then asked, if Connally had not been in his seat, would the President have been hit by the second shot. I said yes. The President then indicated our conclusions are: (1) he is the one who did it; (2) after the President was hit, Governor Connally was hit; (3) the President would have been hit three times except for the fact that Governor Connally turned after the first shot and was hit by the second; (4) whether he was connected with the Cuban operation with money we are trying to nail down. I told him that is what we are trying to nail down; that we have copies of the correspondence; that none of the letters dealt with any indication of violence or assassination; that they were dealing with a visa to go back to Russia. ______________________________________________ It is interesting that the only questions that Hoover raises about Oswald concern the Cuban operation, specifically, (4) whether he was connected with the Cuban operation with money we are trying to nail down. I told him that is what we are trying to nail down; that we have copies of the correspondence; that none of the letters dealt with any indication of violence or assassination; that they were dealing with a visa to go back to Russia. ______________________________________________ Given his detailed knowledge about everything except the Cuban operation, is it not safe to assume that it related to Jack Ruby's gunrunning operation to Cuba, I think my previous effort to link it to Hunt, is wrong. The words Money, Cuba and guns spell gunnrunning to Cuba, in my opinion, and Guy Banister, Hoover's former pal, coordinated that effort out of New Orleans -not tomention the fact that GGuy Banister was probably Garrison's pal as well, and it is difficult to imagine an illegal plot to send guns to Cuba without Garrison's conscent.

I think that any good historian who carefully analyzes this November 29 document and compares it with the Warren Commission report cannot avoid the conclusion that Hoover Framed Oswald. In particular, these are the most interesting parts: ........that there are a number of stories which tied Oswald to the Civil Liberties Union in New York in which he applied for membership and to the Fair Play for Cuba Committee which is pro-Castro, directed by communists, and financed to some extent by the Castro Government. The President asked how many shots were fired, and I told him three. He then asked if any were fired at him. I said no, that three shots were fired at the President and we have them. I stated that our ballistic experts were able to prove the shots were fired by this gun; that the President was hit by the first and third bullets and the second hit the Governor; that there were three shots; that one complete bullet rolled out of the President's head; that it tore a large part of the President's head off; that in trying to massage his heart on the way into the hospital they loosened the bullet which fell on the stretcher and we have that. He then asked were they aimed at the President. I replied they were aimed at the President, no question about that. I further advised him that we have also tested the fact you could fire those three shots in three seconds. I explained that there is a story out that there must have been more than one man to fire several shots but we have proven it could be done by one man. The President then asked how it happened that Connally was hit. I explained that Connally turned to the President when the first shot was fired and in that turning he got hit. The President then asked, if Connally had not been in his seat, would the President have been hit by the second shot. I said yes. The President then indicated our conclusions are: (1) he is the one who did it; (2) after the President was hit, Governor Connally was hit; (3) the President would have been hit three times except for the fact that Governor Connally turned after the first shot and was hit by the second; (4) whether he was connected with the Cuban operation with money we are trying to nail down. I told him that is what we are trying to nail down; that we have copies of the correspondence; that none of the letters dealt with any indication of violence or assassination; that they were dealing with a visa to go back to Russia. ______________________________________________ It is interesting that the only questions that Hoover raises about Oswald concern the Cuban operation, specifically, (4) whether he was connected with the Cuban operation with money we are trying to nail down. I told him that is what we are trying to nail down; that we have copies of the correspondence; that none of the letters dealt with any indication of violence or assassination; that they were dealing with a visa to go back to Russia. ______________________________________________ Given his detailed knowledge about everything except the Cuban operation, is it not safe to assume that it related to Jack Ruby's gunrunning operation to Cuba, I think my previous effort to link it to Hunt, is wrong. The words Money, Cuba and guns spell gunnrunning to Cuba, in my opinion, and Guy Banister, Hoover's former pal, coordinated that effort out of New Orleans -not tomention the fact that GGuy Banister was probably Garrison's pal as well, and it is difficult to imagine an illegal plot to send guns to Cuba without Garrison's conscent.