Juan Carlos

Maybe we can pay some of the teachers who write overviews or case-studies by inviting them to some meetings. It is a good way of saving money and meeting new collegues.

No problem about our meeting in October in Madrid, though it would be better about the second week of September: no classes, not too many meetings at the school. Anyway, we can discuss it later.

Moodle does need to be part of the course as it is increasingly the favoured VLE option of many secondary schools I completely agree. I think we should include something about Moodle in our course.

I agree

I have not a view of the whole of the budget and cannot calculate properly, but what about inviting more experts? The number of experts budgeted is quite inferior to EHELP's

I also agree.

To set up a "European class", where teachers (and students) are able to interact as you did in your Borgholm course can be a main asset for our Citizenship project. There are a lot of topics that can be used from a Citizenship point of view.

If you share Pedro's views please post details of yearly cost of internet usage. Yes, I think it could be a good solution. The main problem with civil servants is that we don't get any personal reward for our work.

Good news. Any information about Christiane Berton-Heinen's institution? Sort of institution? Where in Belgium?

As we have to save money in some part of our application bid to budget funding for translations, I would opt for fewer (2 a year) or shorter meetings. As I told you in previous posts, I will have serious difficulties in attending three meetings a year.

Everybody who manages to communicate in a language different from his mother tongue knows how difficult and time-consuming is to write long texts in a foreign tongue. As a consequence, I think it is necessary to budget money for translations into English. After having a quite glance at translators pages on internet, it seems to me that texts with less than 1000 words are a bit cheaper. This reinforces my idea of not translating the whole texts, but an extended summary of our material. Translating 1000 words would cost about 70-100 euros in Spain. Maybe less if we contract Argentinian or other Latin-American translators. I have just seen an article that claims that in Britain 1000 word text costs about 50 pounds. With this problem solved, we can set up an excellent web site with a common core in English and more extended texts in our own national languages. A fact that Comenius Agency in Brussels will appreciate.

CAP of Alcorcón is not available for joining the project. So, let's hope that the Belgian institution joins in.

I have just contacted Charo Requejo from CAP Alcorcón (Teachers' training institution). She will call me back tomorrow to tell me about its institution's availability for joining the project.

I also agree

In fact, e-Help staff costs for Juan Carlos are 263 Euros per day. Thanks Richard. As you can see I am not very aware of my real value I reduce my work days, so that the whole amount does not raise too much. 263 € x 70 days= 18.410 x 2 (Ramón Burgaleta and myself) = IES Parque de Lisboa 36.820 €

Is this thread for associates or members or both Nico? In any case I think members should give a short presentation of what they have been up to as well. For both. I agree that members should post their presentations here at the forum. I'll transfer the content to the E-help website for further dissemination. Excellent I've been looking at what you have been up to on the E-Help site - it looks good so far. What we need from the next meeting is an agreed vision as to what the course will look like so we can structure the website accordingly My missing the Gothemburg meeting has prevented me from using EHELP website in a relevant way. So far I have been uploading the resources we are creating here in Madrid on our own websites. I don't think it will be complicated to upload it on EHELP website. I agree on elaborating a short presentation about what we have been up to and on debating a common vision for the presential course and, subsequently, for the web site. Taking into account that it will probably be a five day course and we are ten institutions involved in the project, we can start thinking of being in charge of a proportional part of the course.

Writing articles in English for the project in English would be a time-consuming work that will lead, at least in my case, to poor quality results. I know that translators are quite expensive, but, for example, we can spend a great part of the money we paid out for the website in E-Help in translating articles into English. This way we will have a common material in English complemented with articles in our different languages. In the case of the Spanish material, we could do as we did in E-HELP. Vicente translated into English the articles I wrote on History of Spanish Women.

So far, Citizenship is not taught in Spain. It will be taught in primary and secondary education in the next future, but it will be a bit tricky to find interesting case studies. I suggest that we can add up something like "Elaborating resources on line to teach Citizenship based on history" I am thinking about setting up a lesson or didactic unit which deals with evolution of the concept and content of citizenship from late 18th century on in the Western World. It will be based in some crucial transformations: liberal revolutions, working class movemente and universal suffrage, suffragism and feminism, civil rights, social rights....

I also agree

So, Spaniards will go with 150€ a day. I calculate 120 days as well, so it will make 120x150=18.00. Just as it is in EHELP- The point is that at my school Ramón Burgaleta is a very active member and has been, is and will be involved in producing materials all over E-HELP Project. As he has very young children, he has serious difficulties in attending to the meetings. He is willing to do the same in our future project. I think that it will be fair that in our institution case staff costs and work days were like that: Juan Carlos Ocaña 120x150=18.000 Ramón Burgaleta 120x150=18.000 At the same time, I do think that we have establish some clear criteria about performance, products, deadlines and, in case that any institution do not fulfill its obligations the way that money will be withhold.

So, Spaniards will go with 150€ a day. I calculate 120 days as well, so it will make 120x150=18.00. Just as it is in EHELP- The point is that at my school Ramón Burgaleta is a very active member and has been, is and will be involved in producing materials all over E-HELP Project. As he has very young children, he has serious difficulties in attending to the meetings. He is willing to do the same in our future project. I think that it will be fair that in our institution case staff costs and work days were like that: Juan Carlos Ocaña 120x150=18.000 Ramón Burgaleta 120x150=18.000

In my view, we have waste money in Domain/Webspace in E-HELP. I think we can get by with less money. Hiring of meeting rooms and ICT facilities for meetings: 9,000 euros? No idea about it

Socrates Programme Guidelines for Aplicants The institutions which are co-ordinators or partners in projects must: · be located within one of the countries mentioned in section 3.1 above (these are the countries that were mentioned by Richard); · correspond to one of the profiles indicated in section 3.2 above (in the case of Comenius 1 and 2, only the types of institutions specified by national authorities are eligible; a list of these types of institutions is available from National Agencies on request); 4. Individual persons applying for support must be either: · nationals of the countries mentioned in section 3.1 above; · or nationals of other countries, provided that they are either permanent residents or are registered as stateless persons or hold refugee status in the participating country from which they wish to go abroad within the programme; However, I cannot draw the conclusion that visitors must belong to those countries. The guidelines deal with instititutions whicha are co-ordinators or partners and individuals who apply for financial support, not with experts who are invited to certain meetings. Probably, there is a "legal vaccuum" on that. Anyway,

Richard, In Worthing we talked about inviting visitors from former European Soviet Union countries (Russia, Ukraine...), Palestine, Israel, US... Do visitors from member countries of the Council of Europe (Russia and so on) are eligible? I do think that to get some long term associates commited to the project will be a most important asset.

Yes, my school will permit me... but my wife? Anyway, whatever the majority decides is Ok.