Michael Collins Piper

Hello Mr. Hougan, I thought you might be amused to know that once, many years ago, our old mutual friend, Andrew St. George, spotted a copy of SPOOKS lying on my desk and shrieked, "Mike, vy do you have THAT book?" and then proceeded to throw it on the floor and quite dramatically stomped his foot on it. He muttered, "I don't pronounce zheeeem as zheeeem." What a character! I once asked Andrew, point blank, if he was (as I had heard) part of the Life magazine team that, as I put it, gently, "covered" the Jim Garrison investigation in New Orleans. Andrew and I were sitting in the courtyard smoking cigars. He turned, with a flash of alarm in his eyes, and then, recovering, he said, "Mike, let me tell you a story. When I was a little boy in Hungary . . ." and then I heard an utterly fascinating reminiscence about some subject that I've long forgotten. But after a 20-minute exposition, in Andrew's own engaging style, I never got the answer to my question. I miss him. Cordially, MICHAEL COLLINS PIPER

Not that the truth or facts really matter to Tim Gratz, but I will re-state again, for the historical record, that despite Gratz's link to some promotion for David Duke's conference (where, as I said, I did speak), the fact is that Don Black did NOT (nor "clearly" as Gratz claims) organize that conference. So if Gratz can't get his facts right on this, how much else of what he says can be believed. Gratz is clearly caught in this matter of having claimed to have read significant or "most" or "much" of FINAL JUDGMENT. He could NOT have because it wasn't until I just posted two chapters (which I considered HIGHLY significant and perhaps even the CORE OF THE BOOK) that such material ever appeared on the Internet. In short, folks, Tim "Dirty Tricks Segretti" Gratz is a xxxx. As Gerald Posner might say: "Case Closed." To Andy Walker: hey, guy, you obviously are either completely disingenuous (which is what I suspect) or you simply don't get "colloquial" talk. When I said "I got a book" (in reference to that Jerry Foulwell clone, Tim Gratz) I was deliberately using that terminology. You can make a big issue of it and try to make me sound illiterate, but those teachers didn't think I was illiterate when I was writing that silly essay promoting and hyping Israel, for which they gave me a big fat savings bond.

For anyone who is interested, for whatever reason . . . WELL WELL WELL, WE'VE FINALLY GOT TIM GRATZ BY HIS BIG FAT BALLS. He says that Andy Walker published some "evidence" about me being in attendence at an American Renaissance Conference and elsewhere he has talked about me being at a Stormfront conference. Well, as I've noted previously, I did speak at a conference organized by David Duke and again, make no apologies for it. David Duke received the votes of some 60-65 percent of the white voters of Louisiana --- whether you like that fact or not --- when he ran both for the US Senate and the governorship of that state. I have NEVER spoken or appeared or visited ANY conference of Stormfront. So Tim Gratz and anybody else who says I did is either a very poor researcher or a xxxx. And now we have finally got proof that Tim Gratz is a xxxx when he says that he has a copy of my book FINAL JUDGMENT for here's an interesting little fact . . . This xxxx, Tim Gratz, says that I spoke or appeared at an American Renaissance Conference. Well, anybody who has a copy of FINAL JUDGMENT knows, there is a picture of the head of American Renaissance, Jared Taylor, in my book, pointing out that Taylor attempted to scuttle one of my speaking engagements in the Washington, DC area precisely because he objected to my allegations (a la Gratz) of Israeli Mossad involvement in the JFK assassination conspiracy. I have written critically of Taylor in FINAL JUDGMENT and in my book THE HIGH PRIESTS OF WAR, thrashing him for his bigoted anti-Muslim rhetoric, and I have been severely criticized by Taylor's followers for my repeated criticism of him. I have pointed out that the company (Carroll & Graf) which published Taylor's book (PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS) which claims that Blacks are inferior has also published Harrison Livingstone's books which absolve the CIA of involvement in the JFK assassination. I have suggested repeatedly, based on evidence brought to my attention, that Jared Taylor is CIA. I do know that his book (TOUTING BLACK INFERIORITY) was favorably reviewed by COMMENTARY, the vicious racist voice of the vicious racist pro-Israel American Jewish Committee. I call upon Gratz and Colby to repudiate the pro-Israel American jewish Committee (which opposes affirmative action for my African-American godson) to repudiate the AJC's endorsement of Jared Taylor! So, folks, here we go again----absolute proof that Tim Gratz is a xxxx, an EGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGREGIOUS xxxx, a big fat xxxx. a dirty xxxx.

WELL WELL WELL, WE'VE FINALLY GOT TIM GRATZ BY HIS BIG FAT BALLS. He says that Andy Walker published some "evidence" about me being in attendence at an American Renaissance Conference and elsewhere he has talked about me being at a Stormfront conference. Well, as I've noted previously, I did speak at a conference organized by David Duke and again, make no apologies for it. David Duke received the votes of some 60-65 percent of the white voters of Louisiana --- whether you like that fact or not --- when he ran both for the US Senate and the governorship of that state. I have NEVER spoken or appeared or visited ANY conference of Stormfront. So Tim Gratz and anybody else who says I did is either a very poor researcher or a xxxx. And now we have finally got proof that Tim Gratz is a xxxx when he says that he has a copy of my book FINAL JUDGMENT for here's an interesting little fact . . . This xxxx, Tim Gratz, says that I spoke or appeared at an American Renaissance Conference. Well, anybody who has a copy of FINAL JUDGMENT knows, there is a picture of the head of American Renaissance, Jared Taylor, in my book, pointing out that Taylor attempted to scuttle one of my speaking engagements in the Washington, DC area precisely because he objected to my allegations (a la Gratz) of Israeli Mossad involvement in the JFK assassination conspiracy. I have written critically of Taylor in FINAL JUDGMENT and in my book THE HIGH PRIESTS OF WAR, thrashing him for his bigoted anti-Muslim rhetoric, and I have been severely criticized by Taylor's followers for my repeated criticism of him. I have pointed out that the company (Carroll & Graf) which published Taylor's book (PAVED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS) which claims that Blacks are inferior has also published Harrison Livingstone's books which absolve the CIA of involvement in the JFK assassination. I have suggested repeatedly, based on evidence brought to my attention, that Jared Taylor is CIA. I do know that his book (TOUTING BLACK INFERIORITY) was favorably reviewed by COMMENTARY, the vicious racist voice of the vicious racist pro-Israel American Jewish Committee. I call upon Gratz and Colby to repudiate the pro-Israel American jewish Committee (which opposes affirmative action for my African-American godson) to repudiate the AJC's endorsement of Jared Taylor! So, folks, here we go again----absolute proof that Tim Gratz is a xxxx, an EGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGREGIOUS xxxx, a big fat xxxx. a dirty xxxx.

That's right. I don't care what Willis Carto said any more than I care about what ANYBODY ELSE SAYS ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. But you, Tim Gratz, are a xxxx, a determined, eggregious, vicious xxxx. By the way, the United Church of Christ has been accused of being "functionally anti-Semitic" and the same charges have been made against the Presbyterian Church - USA. So I'm in pretty good company, wouldn't ya say? In fact, the next time somebody accuses me of being anti-Semitic, ya know what I'm gonna say? SO WHAT?

I don't care what Willis Carto had to say. Here's a quote from me: "If organized extremist Jewish pressure groups in the United States continue to push America into the troubles of the Middle East, there will be a Holocaust in the 21st century unlike anything yet imaginable: Israel's nuclear threats and extortion have caused an escalation in the arms race—one that JFK tried to prevent—and now Israel is dictating the course of world affairs through its manipulation of its suicidal Samson Option. Before Israel, in an act of paranoid hysteria, unleases a nuclear Holocaust upon mankind, it is incumbent upon all civilized nations—signatories to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty—to take whatever means necessary, including military action, to dismantle Israel's arsenal of nuclear weapons. If Israel resists, the penalty must be sure and certain. Organized Jewish extremist pressure groups—no matter how well funded—have no right to send American kids off to fight and die in wars to protect Israel masked as ventures for the American national interest. America and Israel are not one. If Americans must take preemptive action to stop Jewish extremists in America from continuing to manipulate U.S. foreign policy making, God forbid that action will be violent. But some day forceful action may be necessary to put a stop to Jewish extremism before it gets out of hand."

Tim Gratz is really over the top. He says that I have shared "many platforms" with David Duke. Well, I have shared platforms with David Duke and I do not apologize for that. But I am curious as to the source of Gratz's lie that I have shared "many" platforms with Duke. Does Tim Gratz expect 60-65 percent of the white voters of the state of Louisiana to apologize for the fact that they twice voted for David Duke for both governor and United States Senator? Whether Gratz likes it or not. Many of these are the same folks that voted for George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan . . . hmmmmmm. Don Black: I've met him several times, having shared hardly more than a few words. I have never been a member of his Stormfront, have never posted there. Yet Tim Gratz would have us believe that --- because somebody said something nice about me there that I should therefore be required to endorse or repudiate whatever else appears there. As I've said before: Afro-Cuba web has posted a favorable review of FINAL JUDGMENT (actually something I believe I wrote). Does that make me a pro-Castro type? Do I have to endorse or repudiate everything on the Afro-Cuba web? Yet Gratz persists in this lie conecting me to Black and asks me to condemn or endorse him and/or something somebody sometime somewhere posted on his Stormfront about something. yes, Gratz is a xxxx. He's really a shameless xxxx.

The reason why I have concerns about Debra Conway is that she vowed in writing to stand with the Anti-Defamation League and the Jewish Defense League in picketing me and working to prevent me from speaking publicly about the JFK assassination. The Jewish Defense League is a known terrorist organization that has been linked to the murder of Alex Odeh, an Arab-American civil rights activist, and to the crippling of a young man in New Jersey who was the victim of a bomb that the JDL meant for an alleged "Nazi" war criminal. The JDL was also implicated in the murder of a Jewish woman who was the secretary of impresario Sol Hurok whose office was bombed in New York (if I recall) by the Jewish Defense League. Two leaders of the JDL threatened my life at the very time Miss Conway was lending her moral support to these violent terrorists. These two later died in prison after having been taken into custody on terrorism conspiracy charges. That Miss Conway would give her support to a terrorist group is of great concern to me. I am strongly anti-terrorist and, frankly, always have been, particularly after I learned about the Lavon Affair in Israel wherein the Israel government was financing terrorist attacks on U.S. and British installations with the intent of making it appear that they were the work of the Muslim Brotherhood----all of this in an attempt to undermine the government of Egypt's Nasser. If the United States had hit Israel with a few missiles or taken the Israeli leadership into the dock and hanged them as war criminals after that business, it might have put a dent in the idea that terrorists could monkey with our country! I really hate terrorism and I really pray that Debra Conway will someday see the error of her ways in siding with a terrorist group.

I'll bet Tim Gratz doesn't have ANY black friends. I wonder when the last time there was that a black person ever entered Tim Gratz's home---if ever. This past weekend I spent about four hours helping a recently unemployed and now unfortunately homeless black friend of mine (who has spent weeks house-sitting for me when I have been traveling abroad) apply for rental assistance and working out problems relating to his situation. The family of my African-American god-child would find Tim Gratz a real hoot. And for your information, Missuh Gratz, you might be interested to know that Dick Gregory was going to appear as a character witness for Willis Carto in the lawsuit against Carto by Holocaust survivor Mel Mermelstein and testify to the effect that whatever Carto may have written or said in the past that in all of his personal dealings with Carto that he did not believe Carto to be a racist. So what are you going to say about Dick Gregory? Tim Gratz is not only an eggregious shameful xxxx, he is also . . . well, I won't use that language here. But Gratz is a xxxx.

Tim Gratz is a xxxx, an eggregious shameful xxxx. He says Piper has undoubtedly returned to Stormfront. Piper has never been a member of Stormfront. Piper has never posted on Stormfront. Piper HAS BEEN CRITICIZED on Stormfront. Gratz has lied and said that "most" of FINAL JUDGMENT was posted on the Internet some years ago. That is a lie. Tim Gratz is a xxxx. An introductory chapter, the index, and maybe the foreword were posted many years ago. Tim Gratz is a xxxx in that he says Piper never mentions the Hawk sales to Israel. Piper does mention it. If Gratz actually had a copy of FINAL JUDGMENT he would know that. Tim Gratz is a xxxx, a pathological xxxx, a distorter. When I have the time for serious "give and take" with serious people on this forum, who are not liars like Gratz, I will be up here to do so, but more and more it becomes apparent to me that I simply cannot waste my time dealing with a xxxx like Tim Gratz. As for Len Colby, I was fully prepared to send him a free copy of FINAL JUDGMENT until he made the asinine remark that he was "afraid" to give me his address. That just goes to show what gutteral levels my critics will stoop. For Len Colby (who is evidently in Brazil) to suggest that somehow I could (or would) endanger his life is pretty perverse. I'm here to tell everybody that I am the one who should be afraid to give MY address. I am the one whose life was publicly threatened by Irv Rubin and his pal Earl Krugel of the Jewish Defense League (later both taken into custody on terrorism conspiracy charges and now both dead in prison). I've stared Jewish extremism in the face---threatened by a Jewish terrorist---and it's ugly. Damned ugly. And I vow that I will spend the rest of my life fighting Jewish extremists and their Christian extremist allies. These are the lunatics that are forcing us toward the Armageddon they dream about. Maybe we should let Israel keep its nuclear weapons and simply pray that they exercise the Samson Option and blow the whole world up with them. It sure would solve the problems of poverty and disease and malnutrition, wouldn't it?

Folks, I haven't forgotten about you. How could I forget such lovelies as that bigoted poppinjay, Andy Walker, who, I'm told, is particularly exercised about the fact that my name is "Michael Collins" Piper. Andy, yes, I'm a mick, forgive me for that. And then there's Tim Gratz who is busy forum jumping. Posting crap about me and occasional commentary somewhat related to FINAL JUDGMENT on one thread and then another --- a very clever legal trick. Plus there's Len Colby --- who brags that he wants to debunk conspiracy theories ---- and I guess that means all of them. Folks, I occasionally have day to day work to take care of and just haven't had the time to respond to the LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS (not to mention the Walker-Gratz garbage --- I exempt Len Colby because of his ethnic concerns here) but I assure you I will. In the meantime, without having read Gratz's latest emission on the other thread, which I gather is probably a reference to the Bass book which paints the LIE that it was JFK who forged the "special relationship" between Israel and the United States--- a lie that is easily debunked by such writers as Pulitzer Prize winning Jewish-American historian Seymour Hersh in THE SAMSON OPTION Progressive writers James and Leslie Cockburn in DANGEROUS LIAISONS; AND Jewish-American historian Stephen Green in TAKING SIDES All of whom make it very clear that the relationship between the US and Israel under JFK was considerably tense, at the least. The Bass book plays up this theme that JFK sold Israel defensive conventional weapons and this is "proof" that JFK loved Israel and vice versa. Bass---a so-called "Middle East scholar" --- was funded by Israeli interests. Doesn't that make him somewhat BIASED. But the Bass book and the Gratz emissions do not take into account the SOLID HISTORICAL FACT that NUCLEAR WEAPONS AND THE ACQUISITION THEREOF WERE THE ABSOLUTE CORNERSTONE OF ISRAEL'S ENTIRE GEOPOLITICAL/NATIONAL DEFENSE STRATEGY AND JFK WAS TRYING TO STOP ISRAEL FROM BUILDING NUCLEAR WEAPONS. Gratz knows this and he's a clever boy, but the bottom line is that the "line" that he is promoting --- that JFK was a "special friend" of Israel is ABSOLUTE CRAP. Folks --- don't listen to Michael Collins Piper. Read the above three-mentioned books. And then also ask yourself the question: why in all of the hundreds of books written about JFK and his administration that there was not---until the last two years --- a book about JFK's Middle East policy? And if you look in all of the books about JFK and his administration --- how much IF ANYTHING is said about his Middle East policy? Why has all of that been pushed aside? Was it not worthy of discussion? In all the millions of words written about JFK in books focusing exclusively on his life and his presidency (excluding books about the assassination itself)--- his Cuba policy, his Soviet policy, his sexual affairs, his health condition, his assassination ---- his Middle East policy (found offensive by israel and its lobby in America) is hardly noted. And if JFK was so pro-Israel, why was Abe Feinberg, the American Jewish community's unofficial liaison to the JFK White House, threatening JFK with withdrawal of American Jewish financial support in the 1964 election due to his Middle East foreign policy. (This has been referenced in a non-Holocaust Denial book, the specific citation escaping me at the moment.) Prior to the release of FINAL JUDGMENT . . . How many "serious, scholarly" JFK assassination researchers EVER pondered JFK's efforts to stop israel from building the Hell Bomb and its possible impact on the assassination conspiracy? Tim Gratz: we know YOUR AGENDA. it is a pro-israel Neo-Conservative agenda. You are following the agenda of these insane lunatics, religious fundamentalist extremists, who dominate the policy mechanism in the Bush White House. Let's rally together to fight all forms of extremism!

To: Ron Ecker . . . Please send me your snail mail address and I will not only send you a copy of the second printing of the sixth edition of FINAL JUDGMENT (which even includes items not appearing in the first printing) and I will also personally reimburse you the $25 you spent buying a copy of the fifth edition used. email me at: piperm2@lycos.com. Re: Andy Walker's comment, on one of these three threads about how rotten I am, that I am "illiterate" because I used the term "a hysterical ethnic reaction" rather than "an hysterical ethnic reaction" (or words to that effect), I could easily say that it was a typographical error. It was not. I stopped for a moment and questioned whether "a" or "an" was appropriate. I settled with "a" and evidently—if the brilliant Andy Walker, the great humanitarian, is correct—I was wrong. But if I started judging people by their writings --- including Len Colby who has a lot of problems with punctuation --- I could really start ripping some people to pieces. But I accept the fact that hurried typing on the Internet, particularly when some one is frenzied to make a point (and I'm not talking about Len specifically here) that typos are inevitable. I guess the bottom line is that this foul little bow-tied man, Andy Walker, is really stooping to the lowest gutter level of name calling by saying I'm illiterate. Actually, I won an essay contest in high school, along with a fat little US savings bond, for writing a "Voice of Democracy" contest saying how wonderful Israel was and what a great role model it is for the United States. Obviously I knew by then what a crock that was, but I still got that fat savings bond. Plus I had professor in college---rather well known and Jewish, I might add---who once asked me if he could keep a copy of one of my media content analysis papers because, as he said, it was probably one of the best ones he'd ever had from a student and he wanted to use it as a model for other students. I suppose it's still on file in his office. But here I am trying to justify myself to this childish, and truly hysterical, ranting and raving by Andy Walker who makes even Len Colby look quite neutral, moderate or restrained. Funny thing is, I keep hearing Andy yakking about my supposed "right wing" agenda yet I have a lot of other people calling me a "leftist" and "anti-American" because I criticize that vaunted 'special relationship" between the United States and Israel. And I keep reading all these "boo hoo hoo" books about the rise of anti-Semitism and hatred of israel that say that it is a "left wing" phenomenon. Oh well. Thank God for Andy Walker. I'll bet he wants to deport all the Muslims out of Britain.

To: Ron Ecker . . . Please send me your snail mail address and I will not only send you a copy of the second printing of the sixth edition of FINAL JUDGMENT (which even includes items not appearing in the first printing) and I will also personally reimburse you the $25 you spent buying a copy of the fifth edition used. email me at: piperm2@lycos.com. Re: Andy Walker's comment, on one of these three threads about how rotten I am, that I am "illiterate" because I used the term "a hysterical ethnic reaction" rather than "an hysterical ethnic reaction" (or words to that effect), I could easily say that it was a typographical error. It was not. I stopped for a moment and questioned whether "a" or "an" was appropriate. I settled with "a" and evidently—if the brilliant Andy Walker, the great humanitarian, is correct—I was wrong. But if I started judging people by their writings --- including Len Colby who has a lot of problems with punctuation --- I could really start ripping some people to pieces. But I accept the fact that hurried typing on the Internet, particularly when some one is frenzied to make a point (and I'm not talking about Len specifically here) that typos are inevitable. I guess the bottom line is that this foul little bow-tied man, Andy Walker, is really stooping to the lowest gutter level of name calling by saying I'm illiterate. Actually, I won an essay contest in high school, along with a fat little US savings bond, for writing a "Voice of Democracy" contest saying how wonderful Israel was and what a great role model it is for the United States. Obviously I knew by then what a crock that was, but I still got that fat savings bond. Plus I had professor in college---rather well known and Jewish, I might add---who once asked me if he could keep a copy of one of my media content analysis papers because, as he said, it was probably one of the best ones he'd ever had from a student and he wanted to use it as a model for other students. I suppose it's still on file in his office. But here I am trying to justify myself to this childish, and truly hysterical, ranting and raving by Andy Walker who makes even Len Colby look quite neutral, moderate or restrained.

Outstanding! The last resort . . . Question the sanity and stability of those who disagree with you or whom you perceive to have ideas that don't accord with yours. That's classic. I love it. I love it. The Lambert book attacking Jim Garrison largely uses the same tactics. P.S. A little joke for you . . . Question: Why was Adolf Hitler afraid of dying and going to Hell? Answer: There were Six Million Jews waiting there for him. Analyze THAT (with apologies to deNiro & Crystal)

Sorry, Pat, I folded up the tent before Len Colby posted anything up here about anything I had actually written about the JFK assassination. (But I did get a kick out of your dime-store psychology). I've gone through this all before. If anyone is even vaguely interested in what I have written previously, they can go to Google groups. Or I'll send them a free copy of the book if they simply write me at piperm2@lycos.com and ask. The last time I was supposed to speak at a collegiate forum (where people had the freedom to challenge me publicly) the Anti-Defamation League prevented the seminar from happening and Debra Conway of JFK Lancer vowed to picket me, rather than debate me. But the school newspaper staff invited me to come to their office and we sat down and had a civil discussion about THE JFK ASSASSINATION for several hours and one of their questions even led me to making a significant change in the book. I'm not afraid of debating or I wouldn't have come up here on this forum in the first place. it's just that I'm a little tired of hearing about the Holocaust. It's over. Boring. Len Colby has a hysterical ethnic bias, which I can accept. Tim Gratz is just --- well, he needs a forum and he's got it. But I've got a book ---- and he doesn't. So he's his own little star on the forum, God bless him! By the way, one copy of the third edition of FINAL JUDGMENT was passed through the hands of roughly 50 doctors, nurses and medical technicians in one small (but well known) in America. I suppose they are all hard-core Neo-Nazis and anti-Semites, blah blah blah. And so it goes . . . Say what you will . . . I've got a 768-page book that continues to sell and lots of people believe it---including many people not predisposed to the theory --- and that's what is so troubling to so many people. One FINAL thought: where are all you humanitarians and civil rights activists when it comes to the Palestinians? You guys are preaching that Ariel Sharon, a butchering murdering criminal, is a man of peace. Well, you guys will get your war against Iran and all hell is gonna break loose---courtesy of Israel and its friends in America. God save us.

I appreciate the interest of sincere folks, but as I indicated on the other thread established by John Simkin under the history books section, I am opting out of this. It's rather boring reading about the holocaust and my views on the topic. And Tim Gratz is such a disingenuous xxxx that he knows full well that I said that it was Gertrude Stein who once advocated Hitler getting the Nobel Peace Prize (according to the distinguished Jewish newspaper, FORWARD.) Or maybe he's just plain ignorant and really can't read. I don't think so, however. John Newman said Gerry Hemming's Interpen was a "sub-unit" of Sturgis' operation. Blame him. Not me. It was clearly quoted and clearly cited in FINAL JUDGMENT. I suppose John Newman, distinguished professor and all that, is a xxxx and a Holocaust denier, too.

Good God --- Andy has a sense of humor, very rare for sensitive types. Instead of checking out the garbage of Deborah Lipstadt, check out the website of Dr. Alfred Lilenthal alfredlilienthal.com Or check out the website of Rabbi Yisroel Weiss and other Orthodox Jews who reject the thesis of Jewish supremacy and oppose the artificial state in occupied Palestine . . . jewsnotzionists.org These sites are very spiritual and progressive-minded, rejecting the hard-line Zionist super-nationalism and racist supremacism found in the work and thinking of Lipstadt, the Simon Wiesenthal Center (run by a hookworm named Abe Cooper), the Anti-Defamation League, ad nauseum.

Andy Walker endorses the work of Deborah Lipstadt, a squalid racist who says that Jews should not marry non-Jews. I call upon all of the good anti-racists on this forum to denounce Deborah Lipstadt for her foul racist position that Jews should not marry non-Jews. Then when Deborah Lipstadt finally rejects this hate-filled supremacist point of view (something spawned from the old lie that God places one group of people above another, that "Chosen People" nonsense), maybe we can start believing EVERYTHING she says about "the Holocaust Deniers." Andy Walker: do you endorse Deborah Lipstadt's racist view that Jews should not marry non-Jews. Give us your answer.

Deborah Lipstadt is a squalid woman. She says that Jews should not marry non-Jews. That is racism. That is bigotry. That is disgusting. She should be shunned. Anyone who makes a proposition like that has no place in respectable society. I find it quite foul that Andy Walker would endorse the work of a bigoted woman like this.

The Vatican endorsed newspaper, La Civilta Catholica, alleged some years ago that supporters of the iraq War in the American media were stoking up the controversy surrounding the pedophilia scandal. In the last (not the latest) issue of VANITY FAIR, in an extended article by Craig Unger, Jerry Falwell bragged very specifically how he and Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu deliberately exploited the Monica Lewinsky scandal for the purpose of impacting Bill Clinton's Middle East policy. Author Charles Higham---not Michael Collins Piper--wrote a book suggesting that the Rothschild family were financiers behind the Lincoln asassassination. These are just three of the conspiracies hat I've been accused of promoting. The very fact that several people here have repeated even the lie that I originated Charles Higham's theory shows precisely how intellectual dishonest these people are. They are liars. But as I discovered long ago, anything that even indirectly relates to U.S. policy regarding "little Israel" is almost invariably based on lies, bullying and double-standards. That's what U.S. policy in the Middle East is all about and every day American kids are dying because of it. Israel was founded on a lie and lives on a lie and its supporters are criminally gifted in telling the Big Lie over and over again in hopes that people will believe it. Even if the Mossad played no part in the public execution of John F. Kennedy, the truth is that JFK's death was the best thing that ever happened to Israel. And you can't get away from THAT. I was particularly amused to see that my letter to the idiot who wrote an Internet piece about my book being sold in a bookstore in an airport in Malaysia attracted the attention of some idiots on THIS site. When I wrote that letter, I deliberately referred to MEIN KAMPF and other books being sold in that same bookstore as being "significant books" since I knew that type of phraseology would get under the skin of just the kind of people who have reacted to it, reading it just as I thought they would react. In other words, folks, I pressed your bottons and you reacted. You shouldn't be so predictable. Anyway, you fools, if you've ever been in an airport bookstore, you know that they sell hundreds--no, probably thousands--of books from all sorts of different authors. And many airport bookstores, even including in the United States sell MEIN KAMPF. And the fact is that same bookstore in Malaysia that sells my book on the Neo-Conservatives also sells Col. Fletcher Prouty's book. This thread, like the other one, is turning into one about THE HOLOCAUST and what Mike Piper thinks about the Holocaust and how abhorrent I am and so forth. With all the distortions about my writings by people who are fervent Holocaust enthusiasts why should I believe anything they say about ANYTHING, including the Holocaust. This demonstrates, as I wrote in FINAL JUDGMENT (after having been subjected to a similar barrage), that people use the Holocaust to deflect attention from what appears in FINAL JUDGMENT. Actually, what bothers people most about FINAL JUDGMENT is not perhaps even the point that the book alleges Mossad involvement in the JFK conspiracy. What bothers people is the very clearly documented point that John F. kennedy was trying to stop Israel from building the nuclear bomb and also trying to build bridges to the Arab world, particularly the dynamic leader, Gamal Nasser, and that, upon JFK's death, the entire policy was redirected, almost instantaneously, by the corrupt and venal Lyndon B. Johnson. When Americans hear that one of their most beloved Presidents, John F. Kennedy, was--shall we say--less than friendly to Israel's demands, it gives them a new perspective on the whole issue of U.S. relations with Israel. And that's why people are REALLY concerned about FINAL JUDGMENT. Thanks to those handful of people who attempted some intelligent discussion. I am truly sorry that it couldn't be pursued further. And if there are any people who would like a free copy of FINAL JUDGMENT --- it sells so well that I can afford to give away copies --- send me an email at piperm2@lycos.com with your snail mail and I will get a copy off to you shortly. I was looking forward to writing a comprehensive response after people had the opportunity to review my postings of two significant chapters from FINAL JUDGMENT, but I really do find the Holocaust boring and I don't intend to sit here and wade through hysteria about the Holocaust and what I think about it. I'm thrilled that so many people are obsessed with the deaths of Six Million Jews (maybe eleven million or more) and want to yak about it endlessly. I have better things to do. I hope everybody will feel "more comfortable" with my absence from this forum. I certainly will. In the meantime, FINAL JUDGMENT isn't going to go away and that's what scares the Hell out of so many people on this forum. They may not believe it---but a lot of people do. And that's the problem. Adios! I'm off to Spain to lecture about FINAL JUDGMENT and then on to Malaysia. --MICHAEL COLLINS PIPER P.S. at least Tim Gratz has a forum on this forum. He reaches the wooooooooooorld!

Tim Gratz is even more boring than the Holocaust. I always love to say how boring the Holocaust is, because it gives grand-standers like Mr. Gratz a high horse to hop on and ride away . . . Question for Tim Gratz: If I am morally reprehensible for saying that the America First Committee was correct in fighting U.S. involvement in the war in Europe, was John F. Kennedy morally reprehensible for giving money to the America First Committee. And by the way, Joe Kennedy used to---or at least once --- referred to Franklin Roosevelt as "that crippled son of a bitch that killed my son Joe." I am not going to waste any more time arguing with you about the Holocaust. You and your racist friends at the Anti-Defamation League and the American Jewish Committee and that woman, Deborah Lipstadt, who is opposed to Christians being allowed to marry Jewish people, can go and rant and rave about the Holocaust forever and ever. The Holocaust is of very little interest to me but you are absolutely thrilled that it is of interest to people that I know. I'm glad that gives you something to yak about. Boring. Boring. Boring.

Yeah, I agree with Owen Parsons and Ken Colby . . . I'm a really, realllllllllllllly scary guy. Just thinking about myself gets me kind of dizzy . . . I feel panic attacks coming on . . . I mean, My God, I actually don't believe the Bible! (Speaking of which, Thomas L. Thompson has written some fantastic works showing that archeology and history refute the old legends about ancient Israel --- all made up. A Jewish writer, Daniel Lazare, wrote a great piece for Harper's magazine a few years ago (and I believe it's accessible online) demonstrating that the Zionist claim to Palestine is based on a tissue of ancient lies. So much for that vicious racist "Chosen People" nonsense. In any event, the Old Testament is quite demented. NOTE TO OWEN PARSONS: If you check out A. J. Weberman's website---I mean, he's no evil Holocaust denier like me---you'll find that he claims (and I have no reason to doubt his word) that Jim Garrison was circulating a manuscript for an unpublished novel in which Garrison fingered Israel's Mossad as the force behind the JFK assassination. I didn't learn that until about the time I was putting together either the fourth or fifth edition of FINAL JUDGMENT. I wonder why in the world Jim Garrison would have ever thought the Mossad might have been behind the JFK assassination? If you believe Garrison was on the right track in going after Clay Shaw, it is IMPOSSIBLE to dispute that Clay Shaw was in the thick of Mossad operations via his involvement with Permindex. In some respects, I tend to think, Shaw was actually more "Mossad" than CIA and Shaw wasn't even Jewish. P.S. I wonder if I will be able to open up any of the three or four newspapers I read daily (Wash Times, Wash Post, NYTimes and Philly Inquirer) and NOT find some "Holocaust News." My God, you'd think it was just yesterday. I am so bored with the Holocaust. Boring. Boring. If you're a Holocaust Enthusiast and want an interesting book on the topic, check out Jewish American professor Peter Novick's book, THE HOLOCAUST IN AMERICAN LIFE (not not not a Holocaust Denial book, folks) and you'll actually learn something. I found it very interesting that, according to Novick, a top leader of the American Jewish Committee said at the end of World War Two that most Holocaust survivors were, in his words, "largely the lowest Jewish elements." Pretty amazing. Novick also reports that the whole concept of America having a "Judeo-Christian heritage" was cooked up by a World War II era Office of War Information propagandist , Leo Rosten, trying to convince Americans that Hitler was also more or less anti-Christian. The OWI realized that a lot of Americans—like the Kennedy brothers, Joe and Jack—supported Charles Lindbergh and the America First Committee's opposition to U.S. involvement in a war against Germany and they needed every bit of clever gimmickry to get Americans to rally round the flag against Hitler. Thus the invention of the "Judeo-Christian" terminology. Remember: Evil Anti-Semite Mike Piper didn't make this up. He's just quoting Jewish American professor David Novick, of, I believe, the University of Chicago, not known as a center of Holocaust Denial.

In my experience in dealing with political types of all stripes, I do have to say that I've found Hard-Line Right Wing Neo-Conservative Fox News Devotees such as Mr. Gritz to be the most hard-headed and unswerving. That point of view is almost cult-like in the way that these folks make icons of the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, ad nauseum. I mean these people actually read (and enjoy) THE WEEKLY STANDARD! Come on, seriously! Oh, by the way, speaking of Adolf Hitler and THE BARNES REVIEW's article saying Hitler should have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize, I guess nobody seems to know what FORWARD (an eminently respectable New York-based Jewish newspaper) reported some years ago to the shock of many: Adolf Hitler was once proposed for the Nobel Peace Prize . . . by Gertrude Stein. Whoops! Yes, THE Gertrude Stein, a Jewish Feminist Liberal Lesbian and today a virtual icon in certain circles (although probably not Tim Gratz's circle!) Yes, Ms. Stein proposed Adolf Hitler for the Nobel Peace Prize for precisely the same reasons that were outlined in THE BARNES REVIEW'S deliberately provocatively titled article. Just because it wasn't reported breathlessly by Dan Rather doesn't mean that Evil Anti-Semite Michael Collins Piper is making it up. Check the FORWARD website. The article is probably archived there.

"An Arab did it." The Bobby Kennedy assassination. Why did the masterminds of THAT conspiracy select a Palestinian as the patsy? Who benefited most directly from the focus on an evil Arab (who I believe is a Christian, by the way) having killed RFK? Somebody made the claim that Bobby Kennedy was a big supporter of Israel. Hey folks! He was running for the US Senate in New York. Duh! But if you believe C. David Heymann, in his biography of Bobby, he reports that the New York Jewish community was not too thrilled with Bobby; that Ethel Kennedy made a remark to some Jewish politico that "you people" were the ones who caused problems for Bobby when he was running for the Senate; and that Bobby was known to use certain anti-Semitic epithets on a regular basis in private conversations. (Heymann, incidentally, claims to have been a Mossad agent or asset himself. He said it. I didn't. ) A friend of mine of many years was part of the RFK entourage at the Ambassador Hotel on the night of the shooting. She personally witnessed Bobby saying that he wanted to exit the hotel by going through the ballroom --- good for the cameras with all the screaming fans, y'know --- but that another prominent member of the entourage was UNUSUALLY insistent that Bobby go through the kitchen. In FINAL JUDGMENT I name that individual. At the time she was puzzled as to why this individual was so insistent, and only later, afterward, did it pop into her mind as to what she had witnessed. This person has publicly claimed that he told Bobby that Bobby should exit through the ballroom and that Bobby wanted to go through the kitchen. That is not true. My friend told me the story about ten years BEFORE the guilty party told his version of events in writing. And guess what? The individual who steered Bobby into the kitchen began his career as a publicist for the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith which was revealed in a spy scandal in San Francisco some years ago (details of which can be found on the Internet) to be closely tied to Israel's intelligence service, the Mossad. And I'll tell a story here, regarding Bobby, that's going to upset a lot of people. Now that my longtime friend, the late Bill Gill, is dead (and safe from reprisals) I can tell you this story that he told me. Bill was a former correspondent for UPI and the Pittsburgh Press, and he also wrote for Life. Fortune, The Saturday Evening Post, reader's Digest and National Geographic (none of them being Holocaust Denial publications, by the way). He also wrote several books including The Ordeal of Otto Otepka, Why Reagan Won, Trade Wars Against America, and was the former executive director of the Mellon family's Allegheny Foundation and was a big-time lobbyist for the domestic steel industry. Obviously quite an accomplished fellow, by any estimation. Bill Gill was also very entwined with the CIA and military intelligence and over the years he was involved with a number of ventures involving matters of special interest to the Mossad. He was one of those old-time Cold Warriors who used to buy the idea that israel was a valuable Cold War asset---but Bill was privately VERY ANTI-SEMITIC. And—Tim Gratz will love this—Bill was married to a German countess who was the god-daughter of Eugenio Pacelli, later to become Pope Pius XII---so-called "Hitler's Pope." As a consequence of his connections in Pennsylvania with the Mellens, Bill (a professional Irishman) became quite friendly with a liberal Democratic Party leader and major labor figure in Pennsylvania (another Irishman) who was not only a Kennedy family operative but also a CLOSE FRIEND OF THE KENNEDY FAMILY. The Irish labor leader was also privately very anti-Semitic. At the time, Bill, being the conservative that he was, didn't like the Kennedys. But his Irish labor leader friend said to him: "Bill, listen, I want to get you and Bobby Kennedy together. You two would really hit it off. And you know what? He's anti-Semitic just like we are. But when Bobby's in a restaurant or somewhere talking about the Jews and doesn't want people to know what he's talking about, he refers to them as 'the liberals.'" Bill was flabbergasted. He, too, believed the legend but found out otherwise. This kind of reminds me of when my former Jewish room-mate—who is now a member of Congress—told me that when he and his family were making derogatory remarks about Blacks that they never used the "n" word. Instead, he said, "We call them schwartzers and they don't know what that means." (Yes, I had a Jewish room-mate, while I was working for the "anti-semitic Holocaust denying Liberty Lobby." My critics just can't understand that I can be critical of Organized Jewish Power Groups and still treat Jewish people as human beings. But then, of course, people are stupid. My Jewish room-mate and I had a falling out, though. He tried to cheat me and my other room-mate (a Japanese-American, whose son is my second godson, my other one being a little African-American boy) out of our security deposits. However, we managed to convince him to give us the money back by --- shall we say --- threatening to release certain materials that could prove embarrassing. That's why I always say I've only ever blackmailed one member of Congress! Remember, folks, an Arab did it.

David Healy asks whether Mannlicher-Carcanos were among the weapons being smuggled by Jack Ruby and "Raul" (James Earl Ray's legendary "handler") -- as asserted by Dr. William Pepper in his book, AN ACT OF STATE !! Oh you can be sure if he had said that I would have reported it! You know me, always looking for an Israeli conspiracy under every gun case. Actually, as I recall, without having Pepper's book handy, it seems these arms were being stolen (with the collusion of people inside the Army itself) from U.S. Army warehouses. My point is that these Israeli connections to Ruby (Shaw, Sturgis, Banister, etc) are multiple BUT OTHERWISE COMPLETED IGNORED BY JFK RESEARCHERS WHO WILL SPEND HOURS DEBATING WHY JACKIE KENNEDYCRAWLED OUT ON THE BACK OF THE LIMOUSINE! Penn Jones put it correctly when he said that the Israeli connection is a "completely overlooked area" in the JFK asssassination.