Steven Tomlinson

If I want to do something but can't be seen as responsible, I put the idea to someone with the ability to make 'it' happen. If it is true that RFK was involved with the Castro assassination attempts and he believed that people from these attempts were involved in JFK's death, he would have great reason to hamper a broad enquiry, starting with an idea of multiple assassins, provable by a strict examination of wounds. If RFK did act, I can now say without lieing that RFK wanted it doing. I, having the idea originally doesn't come into it. I would prefer for this not to be the case, but it only requires a very powerful and well connected man (RFK) to feel cornered.

_________________________________ FWIW, Seems to be missing a front tooth and to have really bad teeth. See enlarged photo in Duncan's post #10, too. --Thomas _________________________________ I believe in Harvey and Lee, that there were at least 2 men sharing the identity of Lee Harvey Oswald. Could this photo of the man on the right be one of Lee Oswald? I'll state right away that he does not look like Donald O. Norton -- his nose is too slim. OK. Could he be the killer of J.D. Tippit? Witnesses describe LHO as the killer -- and I believe Lee killed Tippit. Are we looking at the birth Oswald? He seems to have a discolored tooth, like Lee had. I believe Harvey was Russian, trained in English for 3 years. Robert Oswald said about his "brother" (paraphrase), "I was surprised at how much hair [Harvey] lost!" I guess that statement was to convince family, friends and acquaintances that Harvey had changed physically while in Russia. Then, again, is this actually J.D. Tippit himself? Kathy The guy on the right looks a good older version of http://home.wi.rr.com/harveyandlee/Tooth/Tooth.htm

Why should it be considered such an impossibility that Harvey addressed and mailed the paper bag to a non-existent address? If he's working for someone that he doesn't trust, it's a good idea, similar to stamping 544 Camp Street on one occasion of his leafleting. If he had ended up in court, 544 Camp Street being basically the same location as Guy Banister would have been useful to him in claiming who he really worked for and if the mailed paper bag had been brought into evidence and maybe some 'other' interesting fingerprints found on it, then this also would have been of use to him.

On the Oswald transfer film that shows Will Fritz from 'elevator' to 'shooting', he seems to be getting out of the way as soon as exiting the elevator. Most conspicuous is his slow motion 'acting' turn after the shooting. No way is this natural!

Was this Mauser when broken down, short enough to have been cupped under the arm per the curtain rod story?

Is it considered just a close coincidence that whilst in custody LHO attempted to call a person called 'Herty' or 'Hertig', which is quite close to 'Hartogs'? If I had been mistaken for somebody else, intentionally or otherwise, that I knew existed and wished to disassociate myself from that person, a good way would be to communicate with someone who knew who I really '''was''' some time ago. This failed call is mentioned in Anthony Summers' "Conspiracy - Who Killed President Kennedy?" page 175-176.

The link is missing the 'l' from html. ST

Don't know who they are but the people on the left seem to have a strange aversion to being lit up from the same frontal light that Harvey's face, shirt and the other guy's shirt is lit up by. The cop's hat doesn't seem to have a problem being lit up from the rear. They better stop quick 'cos they're gonna walk into Harvey. If the pictures real the two guys look related and have the same barber as Lyle Lovette(?) A barber I would sue! ST

Not a bit suprised. Let's see ... US does it, Brits do it, Russians do it, Israelis do it ... we could list the countries all night Jack, I took a look at the manual long time ago and re-read it yesterday. Very chilling like Kubark torture manual, like so many other things. The near total decline in morality and respect for law and life itself (other than the Oligarchs who protect their own friends, family - and their ill-gained plunder) is where we find ourselves now. We [uSA] are signers of numersous treaties that would make carring out anything in such a manual illegal - as well as internal laws on the books [no doubt secret signing statements by the Fuhrer have long ago negated that in fact]. We also engage in 'assassination' wholesale by bombings, state-sponsored terrorism, wars, sponsoring of death squads elsewhere and the occassional homebaked assassination....certainly JFK, MLK, RFK - maybe even 3.000 in 9-11. Mr. S likes to rant and rave that we are un-American for pointing the above truths out. I, and I think most on this site (at least the sane and humaine ones) condemn such asctions equally when done by any other nation...it just so happens that the USA now is leading the world in this and is the most powerful and influential nation on earth [sadly]. Morally, ethically, we are near the bottom of the barrel. I don't recognize a concept of un-American. I do recognize the concept of being moral and truthful and for peace, justice, law, equality - and those [like the current adminstration and the Beast that has America in its grip now] who abhor all those things - despite the PR spin [read propaganda cover-up] which Mr. S likely is a part of there in DC. Americans are afraid....Presidents get killed. Their neighbors get killed. Soldiers get killed fighting a trumped-up war. We are all spied upon and many feel they shouldn't speak too much nor loud or take out the wrong book from the library, etc. There is a general sense that if one opposes the Government too much in America today they may face loss of job, tax 'problems', chilling attention by the athourities, in extreme cases imprisonment or even in rare moments death. And there is just too much damn violence in America and a cult of violence coming largely from the example set at the top - as well as from the massive inequality of opportunity and wealth distribution in the USA and other ills of the society. When I lectured on JFK and other related things long ago persons made clear, when talking to them afterwards, many would also have liked to speak out more, but were afraid of the consequences. It is only worse now - much worse. Those of you who live outside of the USA don't really know the level of fear and insecurity, now inside the country and growing. America is still 'riding' on the momentum of its image at the end of WW2 and too few inside and out have failed to notice that while we may have defeated that evil system, we have also over the 60 intervening years come to follow all too much in their footsteps and are headed in that direction now. I know that sounds alarmist and to many not a valid analysis. I fear not. It will not look the same as it did then. It will look more like what gleam is in the eye of those in control in the USA today. See excellent book at http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/...ism_BGross.html Those that turn a blind eye to the assassination manual, the torure manual, the assassinations and torture going on now and those of the past, the wars only for control and profit, the dimunition of civil liberties and freedoms in the USA and elsewhere, the false-flag covert operations, the government manipulations and overthows, the cover-ups and lies, the imperialism, the growing militarism, the rise of a policestate and prisonsystem (largest in the world in number and %), the growing inequality, the theft of the nation - in fact of many nations, the rising tide of neo-fascism, currently centered [oh so sadly] in my own country [uSA] will, I think, pay the price for that lack of attention. It is cliche', but also true that those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them..... The planet simply can not 'afford' where we are currently headed even one more time. My own country is at the brink of horrible things. Because we have never come to terms with the symptoms and evidence before us, over the last decades, keeps most citizens without the tools of analysis needed to see what is going on [the media and propaganda system also having a major effect here] -and then do what is needed to expose, correct and stop it. Our election system, long a failed one of two similar corporate-oligarch parties, is now not even functioning at all. The Congress is a rubber stamp of the best-money-can-buy prostitutes. The Judiciary packed and rigged all too much. The Military too big, too well funded, not under control - but too much in control, backed by the War-Profiteers, hungry for conquest and blood. The police are all over the streets, airports and everywhere in America armed-to-the-teeth and protecting the property and the system - not the people. I could go on. I will stop here. It is a very sad moment in history... Mr. S represents quite well [if in a very crude fashion] a segment of the US mindset [my guess would be about 20% - another 20% can be fooled when needed to support parts of this agenda]. They may be the lunatic fringe in the eyes of many, but they are currently in power and not about to relinqish it without a fight IMO. NB. Below are 14 characteristics of some past fascist governments. I'll leave it for the reader to see if anythings within seem resonant to where things are heading in any big superpower today. The 14 characteristics of Fascism by Dr. Lawrence Britt http://www.rochester-citynews.com/gyrobase...?oid=oid%3A3136 Dr. Britt, a political scientist, studied the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile). He found the regimes all had 14 things in common, and he calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. ] 1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. 2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to 'look the other way' or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. 4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. 5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and antigay legislation and national policy. 6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or through sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common. 7. Obsession with National Security -- Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. 8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -- Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. 9. Corporate Power is Protected -- The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. 10. Labor Power is Suppressed -- Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely or are severely suppressed. 11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts. 12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -- Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil liberties, in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations. 13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -- Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions, and who use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. 14. Fraudulent Elections -- Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against (or even the assassination of) opposition candidates, the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and the manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections. It is not too late to do something about it...but IMO getting very late in the day, indeed. I don't believe it would be correct to say this horrible fate has yet been completed today, but things are headed that way fast. Not to belittle the work done by a political scientist with probably lots of letters after his name but is there much difference between what he sees as 14 characteristics of certain fascist governments and the infamous 'Protocols of the elders of Zion'. It has always amused me or more precisely annoyed me that people argue over whether the Protocols story is authentic over and above whether the individual protocols themselves describe how things are or how far they've reached/descended in the world of governance. Quite simply, the whole history of the world comes under the study of individual and group psychology, preferably using eyes and ears and throw away the books containing 500,000 words interspersed(?) with 2,000 words of useful information. There are no mysteries and no surprises in the world of what people want, individually or as a group, and how far/low they'll go to get it. I would suggest that mass control started with the pyramid building programme and has rarely if ever ceased. It's just the means of control that change. I also claim to know how they could have moved the pyramid stones with relative ease, but that'a another story...Cuckoo! Cuckoo! As far as the CIA assassination manual is concerned. I read part of it, got bored, in a relative sense, with the detail and just felt saddened to be reminded in increasingly graphic detail of what my fellow human(?) kind will resort to under the states guidance. ST

The denial of having been to Mexico City was in an interview 2:25 - 4:04 on Saturday. The admission of having been to Mexico City was in an interview on Sunday 9:30 - 11:15. This change of heart could again have been a decision based on the belief that he had been left out to dry by his organisers. There are then at least 2 changes of heart that could follow a pattern of, "Sod it covering anybodies/things ass anymore. I'll tell the/some truth." 1. 4:45 - 6:39 Saturday: Left by Rambler station wagon - 7:55 Saturday: Bus and taxi. 2. 2:25 - 4:04 Saturday: Not been to Mexico City - 9:30 - 11:15 Sunday: Been to mexico City. The early Saturday statements could be construed as covering for something or somebody. The later Saturday and early Sunday statements do not. If Harvey was part of 'something' and was anything but a moron he 'at some precise time' in his mind would decide that, "I'm on my own here. No-one's coming to my aid. The gloves are off!" He apparently decided this between 6:39 and 7:55 Saturday evening. ST

In an interview 4:45 - 6:30 (Sheriff Roger Craig saw Oswald enter a white station wagon 15 minutes after the assassination. Oswald confirmed this in Captain Fritz's office. A man impersonating Oswald in Dallas just prior to the assassination could have been on the bus and in the taxicab.) "That station wagon belongs to Mrs. Ruth Paine. Don't try to tie her into this. She had nothing to do with it. I told you people I did. Then in an interview 7:55 - ? . . . . It wasn't actually true as to how I got home. I took a bus, but due to a traffic jam, I left the bus and got a taxicab, by which means I actually arrived at my residence." If it is accepted that LHO travelled by station wagon or bus and taxi then one of his claims was untrue,...necessarily! Unless that is, he got into the station wagon then got out and went to the bus then the taxi. For argument's sake, I'll ignore that possibility. He originally admitted to getting into the station wagon. If that had been untrue, which he later claimed, why agree to it's truth at the outset? Why not deny the seemingly unimportant mistake by Craig? Could there be a reason? Could it be that between 4:45 and 6:39 he had not yet decided that his cover had been blown, that it had been Lee, not Harvey(himself) that Roger Craig had seen in the station wagon and he saw no necessity as yet to distance himself from Lee and the Rambler crew? By 7:55 his mind had changed and the bus and taxi story took over. He couldn't seem to get his right to an attorney and it was therefore time for him to believe that he was being hung out to dry. It has been claimed that an imposter had gotten on the bus and taxi. One simple question if that is true; How from jail would he know that an imposter had travelled by bus and taxi? Unless he knew the imposter and had spoken to him after the assassination, and after their individual flights from DP. "Hey imposter, let's talk about how you got out of DP after the shooting?"...I don't think so!!! Lee got in the station wagon, Harvey got on the bus and taxi, and by 7:55 he realised that he was working for assholes who would sell their mothers for the right proposition...For national security OF COURSE! Again...HOW..WOULD..HE..KNOW how another person had travelled? ST

Thank you! That was structurally beautiful. Poetic I would suggest. Why poetic? I don't know! But I feel it would be beneficial to me to break it down and analyse what and why it held me from beginning to end. It wasn't the content, although sharp as a knife, but it's formation. Damn it! I envy that ability. Excellent! ST

You wrote, "...how is this possible?" This is how the 'thumb' is possible, and I believe probable: If a verticle line were drawn through the thumb knuckle of Jackie's hand (the intersection being 0,0,0,), the line of the thumb would follow (I'm very rusty on maths, but you should get the point) a vector basically x=y=z (Should that be -x=y=z). The direction of the thumb would, at 4 points, around a 360 degree viewing, be pointing in the same direction, although progressively seeing around the white gloved thumb. The frontal Altgen view and the side-on Zapruder view being two of those points. Shove a stick in the ground at the appropriate angle and walk around it. The other part of her hand, with a little variation, follows the same principal, but if my thumb explanation is denied there seems little point in expanding on it. ST

When the whole group comes out of the lift/elevator and toward the fatal moment, Fritz is definitely moving himself away from the main group. This could obviously be explained as professional practice as opposed to getting his behind out of the line of fire, but when he turns the corner and the shot is fired, his reaction and turn is extremely slow. Like a bad actor. Bad actor or old age? Does anybody have that film to put on the forum. It's an awfully slow reaction to a gunshot. ST

>>>1. There was a "LONE ASSASSIN". And, to a relative high degree of probability, this assassin was in fact Lee Harvey Oswald!<<< "A" LONE ASSASSIN (SHOOTER) Semantics and Circumstance. 1) An assassin working alone. No other shooters. Therefore also 'the' lone assassin. 2) An assassin working alone. Other known or unknown shooter/s, whether lone shooter/s or part of a group. "THE" LONE ASSASSIN 1) As (1) above. 2) As (2) above, as long as other shooter or shooters, known or unknown, are part of group or groups. >>>2. There was, by all available evidence, a CONSPIRACY to assassinate. And, to a relatively high degree of probability, this conspiracy centered around the issues of Civil Rights and loss of monies and property, primarily in Cuba. As well as the potentially feelings of "betrayal" in regards to the Bay of Pigs episode.<<< CONSPIRACY (Conspire - To Breath Together) 1) Mind controlled (by others) shooter believing he's doing 'this' all by himself. (One-sided conspiracy) 2) Anything other than a single shooter or multiple single shooters each believing working alone. "A/THE" LONE ASSASSIN AND CONSPIRACY This gets too wordy so just connect the above things together to cause the semantic and circumstantial confusion that is there. ST