Peter McGuire

"The Secret Service was not involved. ( anyway)" If someone really believes that there was a conspiracy but are in denial ( or are too politically correct ) to firmly say they facilitated the killing then you will be here another 50 years!

In my opinion , so thoughts like these are not put forth and discussed. www.kennedymustbekilled.com

It never ceases to amaze me how anyone could believe the "lone nut theory," concerning such a complicated young man who was anything but lonely. "5. Indeed, who are we question the fact that the feds took no adverse action whatsoever against an American citizen and former U.S. Marine who had supposedly given top-secret information to the Soviets, America’s official enemy throughout the Cold War? Sure, we know how the feds treat people like Daniel Ellsberg, Chelsey (Bradley) Manning, John Walker Lindh, and Edward Snowden. They arrest them, they torture them, they abuse them, they prosecute them, and they incarcerate them. And we also know how the CIA and the FBI viewed communist sympathizers during the Cold War, such as those in the U.S. Communist Party, the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, and, according to national-security state officials, even the American civil-rights movement. They spied on them, they harassed them, they prosecuted them, they blackmailed them, they incarcerated them, and they ruined them. But hey, Lee Harvey Oswald was different, right? He was only a guy who supposedly had shamed the Marines by becoming a communist, supposedly betrayed his country by supposedly delivering top-secret information he had acquired as a Marine to the Soviets, and supposedly defected to America’s official Cold War enemy (and World War II partner and ally), the Soviet Union. Oh well, everyone makes mistakes, right? So, let’s just let bygones be bygones and even lend Oswald the money to get back home. And when he later asks for a new passport so he can go to Mexico, let’s rush and give him one-day urgent service. And let’s not even think of harassing him, torturing him, abusing him, arresting him, or even subpoenaing him to testify before a federal grand jury about his supposed betrayal of his country. And above all, let’s not think to ourselves that any of this is anything but normal behavior on the part of the feds, even when they are busy ferreting out and destroying communists in the State Department, the army, Hollywood, the Communist Party, the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, the ACLU, and the civil-rights movement at the height of the Cold War."

"4. Indeed, we’re not even supposed to think that anything was unusual when a team of Secret Service agents brandished guns and forced their way out of Parkland Hospital with the president’s body, implicitly threatening to kill the official Dallas medical examiner who was just doing his job by insisting that the body remain at Parkland to undergo an autopsy, as required by state law. We’re just supposed to accept the idea that federal agents would violate the law, threaten to kill hospital personnel, and jeopardize a criminal prosecution, all on their own initiative, rather than cooperate with state officials in the investigation of a very serious crime, as we would ordinarily expect them to do. " Was it not Roy Kellerman himself who led the charge in this incident? The very Roy Kellerman who was in the drivers seat of the presidential limousine and did nothing ( but look back ) when the shots rang out? For those who say " the Secret Service has come a long way since the JFK murder," give me a break. They were trained to handle a situation like the one in Dealy Plaza and had the energy to do so - as demonstrated by the Parkland incident.

It is funny that you call him that because I think that the people who were involved in this were evil - and by association , those involved in the cover up are evil as well.

I was not worried and it is creepy that "it" appeared after your comment.

He sure did. It is amazing how those covering this Coup D Eta such as Posner , Gary Mack and the rest of the crowd think they know more than a physician. It is important to note that all one needs to be able to do is add in order to understand this issue. The alleged bullet weighed 161 grains off the shelf and was presented at 158. The governor went to his grave with more than these 3 grains. Not considering the fact of the mushrooming effect as explained by Dr. Wecht, weight loss alone blows the silly notion that this bullet caused all these wounds. And make it CASE CLOSED for the silly Lone Neuters. I will close with the disturbing feeling that that I have to even write about this issue. NO WHERE else in the world would someone have to state FACTS to counter such a silly argument that is the Single Bullet THEORY. Only in this fantasy land do bullets do these magical things. Only in the case of the Kennedy assassination do Secret Service Agents just sit there , or stand motionless when the POTUS is obviously under attack. Only here was there a good young man, who served his country as a Marine , knew a foreign language well enough to work in that country and appear to be native, who was obviously on some kind of assignment for his country be used in the pathetic manner he that he was.

These people in the operation to kill Kennedy were some real sick people.

Good synopsis of LHO. He was so far from being a loner it is hard to describe how far. Marina - super hot young blond. A little brunette on the side. Travel the world. The confidence of a Marine. Lee Harvey Oswald was a young man who lived twenty lives in his short life. As you said, you have give them credit where credit is due. They did a great job. Best for all times as you say. And all that - the majority of people do not care.

Lone Nut code - I never thought of it that way but that is a good way to put it! The matter is very complicated but certain aspects of the assassination are not confusing. These are that Kennedy was indeed hit from the front as well as the back. That the Secret Service presidential detail was not interested in protecting President Kennedy upon arriving at Love Field in Dallas Texas. And that a lot of effort went into framing someone to take the fall for the actual murder, and the framed man was quickly silenced and that his killer ( Ruby ) conveniently died after just a few years as well . You really do not need to know a whole lot more.

Should we feel sorry for Dallas and Dallasites? I don't know about you, but I will be glad when this week is over so I don't have to be subjected to the propaganda when checking my email on Yahoo, or even watching the local news. Now, poor Dallas itself is a "victim" because of the assassination! But they can not be held responsible, though because, the man who did not shoot Kennedy ( Oswald ) was not one of 'them." Gary ( Mack ) you do look good! Lose some weight or something? ( I know I need to )

As the anniversary approaches, we can not forget the inactions of the Secret Service, specifically Roy Kellerman who had a perfect opportunity to save the president from the fatal shot. He was not a potted plant or a spectator, or day labor working for a limousine company. He was a United States Secret Service Agent on duty at the moment Kennedy was killed. He was a sworn federal employee with a duty to act in a situation like this. Criticism of Secret Service ( from Wikipedia ) Sgt. Davis, of the Dallas Police Department, believed he had prepared stringent security precautions, in an attempt to prevent demonstrations like those marking the Adlai Stevenson visit from happening again. The previous month, Stevenson, the United States Ambassador to the United Nations, was assaulted by an anti-UN demonstrator. But Winston Lawson of the Secret Service, who was in charge of the planning, told the Dallas Police not to assign its usual squad of experienced homicide detectives to follow immediately behind the President's car. This police protection was routine for both visiting presidents and for motorcades of other visiting dignitaries. Police Chief Jesse Curry later testified that had his men been in place, they might have been able to stop the assassin before he fired a second shot, because they carried submachine guns and rifles. An investigation by the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) in 1979 concluded that "the Secret Service was deficient in the performance of its duties. The HSCA stated: The HSCA specifically noted: That President Kennedy had not received adequate protection in Dallas. That the Secret Service possessed information that was not properly analyzed, investigated, or used by the Secret Service in connection with the President's trip to Dallas. That the Secret Service agents in the motorcade were inadequately prepared to protect the President from a sniper. No actions were taken by the agent in the right front seat of the Presidential limousine Roy Kellerman to cover the President with his body, although it would have been consistent with Secret Service procedure for him to have done so. The primary function of the agent was to remain at all times in close proximity to the President in the event of such emergencies. Close proximity does not mean looking back at an injured POTUS. Close proximity meant leaping back to help the president as he was trained to do.

We do know "the truth," and there is no reason to perpetuate the myth that we do not know the truth. The truth being that there was a conspiracy in the murder of the 35th president and that Oswald did not kill Kennedy. Of course we are not going to know every detail, and in a way minutia does not matter. We also are not going to know why to a certainty, other than, obviously , it was in the best interests of the United States to eliminate its own sitting president - whatever the cost.

I like the film showing Dulles by the supposed crime scene replying to questions about the murder. He looked like an innocent old man who was just part of the investigation! The guy was up to his neck in not only the Kennedy murder, but everything from Iran in 1953 and likely before. Kennedy sure was dumb for firing this guy! The apparatus Dulles was involved was not something that you simply fire someone from.

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The posthumous assassination of JFK in the run up to the 50th are out there now. The idea is to make his death less important, and cause people to not care about how he really died , or more to the point, make people believe he even deserved to die. This is shameful and should give an idea about the forces that removed him.

That's OK, Peter, we can agree to disagree. It seems to me that perhaps most JFK theorists are content to identify some high-ranking citizens to blame for the JFK conspiracy, and leave it at that. It's too much work just to get to that point. As one JFK theorist wisely said -- "there's probably something wrong with knowing more about one day 50 years ago than about my own family." Nevertheless, the JFK conspiracy is perhaps the most engaging murder mystery in American history. Identifying the exact shooters is going to become increasingly possible as technology continues to computerize, digitize and become ever more micro. I will say this -- Joachim Joesten failed to identify the ground crew. He wrote several books on this topic precisely because his theory kept on changing, year after year. For example, the book under discussion, How Kennedy was Killed, was written on the eve of the Jim Garrison investigation, and Joesten was really hoping for a breakthrough from Jim Garrison. Nope. Nothing. Clay Shaw walked away a free man. Best regards, --Paul Trejo You talk nice "Paul" but you seem more and more just to be an apologist at the least and a cover up artist most likely. I do like your comment about how we are all involved in this - but I assure you , playing Blackbird like Paul McCartney himself - in 3 months time is more important to me than finding out "who killed Kennedy " Best, Peter

Paul I am not interested in the ground crew - if you mean the shooters. To me, the ground crew are Allen Dulles and his ilk , thus you must understand that very high level people were involved ( as you would expect in the killing of the POTUS ) and these people were multi- billionaires. ( yes in the 60's , adjusted for inflation ) Keep in mind , adjusted for inflation, the turn of the century mogals had north of 200 billion dollars and they were not the type to give the money away. ( the Car NEY Gee ) foundation gave away a pittence in my opinion, as did Roosevelt Steel. These empires existed for another 6 decades and they still exist today. These were the people behind the government ( business ) sanction of a ( sitting , if that is needed ) POTUS and these kinds of people DO NOT GET caught. Now I am going back to my world - which is learning guitar, voice, piano and a horn. Oh by the way - considered "the American Zeitgeist" and just could not see how it applied to this issue.

Craig ! how are you doing? I may not have mentioned that you are one of my most favorite fools - take care, Peter

You are sure pushing my desire to read Paul, as that was pretty long. I will say , that when Joesten interviewed Onassis for the book on him , he flew to New York and pushed his way into Onassis offices. Joesten was a tenacious writer worthy of respect in his profession.. I think Joesten had a little more than thoughts from his apartment ( where exactly ) when he wrote this well researched book, Paul. Best, Peter

Actually - the fatal head shot that came from the front - as you can see in the Z film , could not have originated from the so called Grassy Knoll, or Mrs. Kennedys head would have been blown off as well. ( and other scientific reasons ) This is why Greer Shootists at least have the right idea - that the shot came from directly in front of the presidential limousine. Not that I promoting that! ( I need to say this for simpletons like Davy ) To say that I am grandstanding since I say the ( fatal ) shot came from the front as seen in the Z film Mr Gravy just shows how stupid you are.

The backyard pictures look fake , therefore they are fake. My eyes ( especially 20 years ago when I first saw the research ) are good. Dont tell me ( again ) that I can not see- what I can see - what I mean is from the Zapruder film I CAN SEE the shot comes from the front.