Sean Murphy

In his WC testimony Inspector J. Herbert Sawyer recalled his actions some four minutes after the assassination: Mr. SAWYER. And I went with a couple of officers and a man who I believed worked in the building. The elevator was just to the right of the main entrance ... Mr. BELIN. Now you took an elevator up, is that correct? Mr. SAWYER. That's right. Mr. BELIN. The route that you took to the elevator, you went to the front door? Mr. SAWYER. Right. Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? Mr. SAWYER. We got into the elevator. We run into this man. Who is the man they "run into"? The man "who I believed worked in the building" or a different man altogether? "We run into this man" is tantalisingly ambiguous. Belin, of course, doesn't inquire any further. ** Compare this from the WC testimony of postal inspector Harry D. Holmes on the score of what Oswald said in custody on the Sunday morning: Mr. BELIN. By the way, where did this policeman stop him when he was coming down the stairs at the Book Depository on the day of the shooting? Mr. HOLMES. He said it was in the vestibule. Mr. BELIN. He said he was in the vestibule? Mr. HOLMES. Or approaching the door to the vestibule. He was just coming, apparently, and I have never been in there myself. Apparently there is two sets of doors, and he had come out to this front part. Mr. BELIN. Did he state it was on what floor? Mr. HOLMES. First floor. The front entrance to the first floor. ... Mr. HOLMES. There was a commotion outside, which he later rushed downstairs to go out to see what was going on. He didn't say whether he took the stairs down. He didn't say whether he took the elevator down. But he went downstairs, and as he went out the front, it seems as though he did have a coke with him, or he stopped at the coke machine, or somebody else was trying to get a coke, but there was a coke involved. He mentioned something about a coke. But a police officer asked him who he was, and just as he started to identify himself, his superintendent came up and said, "He is one of our men." And the policeman said, "Well, you step aside for a little bit." Then another man rushed in past him as he started out the door, in this vestibule part of it, and flashed some kind of credential and he said, "Where is your telephone, where is your telephone, and said I am so and so, where is your telephone." And he said, "I didn't look at the credential. I don't know who he said he was, and I just pointed to the phone and said, 'there it is,' and went on out the door." ** Might not Oswald have been the man whom Sawyer recalled having "run into" as he went to get on the passenger elevator? Might not Sawyer have been the officer Oswald recalled having stopped him in or approaching the "vestibule" (a word which, lest we forget, means front lobby of a building)? And might not the man Sawyer "believed worked in the building" have been the man Holmes recalled Oswald's having called his "superintendent"? ** Do we have the makings of a fuller Oswald timeline here? 1. Second-floor lunchroom coke. 2. Through second-floor office area (seen by Jeraldean Reid). 3. Down to first floor by stairs or passenger elevator. 4. Encounter with Sawyer by stairs or elevator just off first-floor front lobby. 5. Encounter with credential-showing, phone-seeking man in front lobby. 6. Exit from building.

Greg, I guess it's a certain hunching of the shoulders in Hughes & Bronson alike that catches my eye (easier to 'see' than put into words...). As you can imagine, this certainly isn't an ID I support with anything like a happy heart--really thought the man in Hughes was our TSBD guy! But let's keep scouring the photographic record on the off-chance the Bell/Bronson guy's face shows up. Only that way will we know for 100% whether Gerda's ID is correct. Cheers for keeping an open mind, Sean

Greg, the clincher for me is the man's posture in Bronson, which looks awfully like that of TJM's in the parking lot area in Hughes. http://i797.photobuc...tManbronson.jpg It is maddening though that we don't have a frontal shot of this guy just to put the issue beyond all doubt...

Cheers, Greg. Looks like we may have to just agree to disagree on this one! FWIW, Gerda also spotted (apparently) the same guy walking across the green area in Hughes shortly after the assassination.

Hi Greg, Bernice is right--looks like Tan Jacket Man was a street spectator and so cannot have been the man seen by Amos Euins & encountered by Marrion Baker. Gerda Dunckel spotted our guy in Bronson a while back: Sean

God speed, Jack White

Pat, the guy's strictly pour les oiseaux. Care to know what he really thinks of your good self? Here it is, and I quote verbatim: "Pat Speer is a nut, a moron, an idiot, and he eats crap in a lunchbox!".

Time is running out. Conspiracy theorists have got one more year. Next year will be the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination. The world will have to acknowledge that after 50 years conspiracy theorists have proved completely unable to prove their case. They have no evidence at all. Zero. Zilch. Then it will be clear that Lee Oswald was the sole assassin. Conspiracy theorists will have lost. Then they will fade into oblivion. People will forget them, their nonsense, their theories, their fights among one another. We will have no more of Lifon [sic], Fetzer, DiEugenio, White, Kingsbury, Brown, Griggs, ... Those people will be forgotten, for ever. Good riddance! (Francois Carlier, April 30 2012, emphases added) But hey, he's reaching out.

I'm from Ireland. A confirmed CTer, though as yet far from committed one way or the other as to Lee Harvey Oswald's true place in the scheme of things. I simply want to know what happened. Allergic to bad conspiracy theories. John F. Kennedy came on a Presidential visit to this country just a few months before he was killed. He said he would be back in the Spring. May God forgive those who made him break that promise.