Don Bailey

Brehm didn't flinch either - nor did Altgens. That must mean they were all in on the assassination. And people like Uins, the Hesters, and the guy on the steps that ran for cover must have been in on the assassination. (smile~) In my opinion, the guy on the steps (Jack Lawrence) limped to cover behind the wall after he was shot in leg from a bullet fragment. This explains the blood puddle behind the wall.

Does anyone have any information concerning the train parked behind the grassy knoll? It was the four car Kansas - Missouri train in the railyard as seen in all of the aftermath photos of the parking lot/railyard. Any information would help on the arrival/departure of this train, information on desitination, information on the man who was seen standing on the steps looking into the parking lot during the aftermath of the shooting.

I supposed that could be one theory, but I don't see much in the way of evidence to support it. As far as the red shirted man, his name has been said to be 'Jerry Williamson' ... not sure if I have spelled it correctly. This information came from someone saying they were Jerry's son when the son came up to Groden one day in the plaza. The son also said Jerry's wife (the son's mother) was still alive. At the time of the assassination - Jerry would have been in his mid-twenties as well. Groden does not seem to have a lot of memory on the details for he was busy as the two of them spoke back and forth. Groden has told me that the son has come through there on at least two occasions and I have asked Robert to get a contact number for the son so that someone can see if they can get some more data on record as to what Jerry had told his family and friends about that event. Bill Miller Bill, When did Robert Groden tell you about this information concerning the red shirt man and why didn't you bring this up in our discussion on another topic? I've been reading this topic for a few months and lately it has become interesting to read. Although I do not agree with Miles about the Bowers testimony, he has brought up some good points about the 3 men on the steps. Hudson's testimony does not match what we see in the Nix film... to me, YOUR Hudson is pushing the red shirted man down to the ground telling him to get down. It's funny that the red shirt man is the only person of the three people on the steps that is clapping for the president... two of the three people on the steps were never identified. Something isn't kosher in Pickletown!! Don

It sounds like he gave up after he knew that he was investigating the work of a high level CIA photographic expert?

To me, it looks like an entry wound in the right temple... a shot from the right front!! Also, if you correctly reattach the Harper fragment to the Fox autopsy photo of the skull you will find a second bullet hole entry wound in the rear of JFK's head!!

Bill, I complimented you and then you turn around and try to slam me with your remarks? This is educational forum and I’m only here to get educated and to point out things that were never discussed within the two years of my reading this forum. To all the others who responded to this thread, My family and friends who read this forum had a good chuckle when they read your accusations about me. According to you I’m a Fake, Mark Chapman look-a-like, xxxxx, Nutter and a set up man for a prank. Call me what you want… it doesn’t bother me!! Can we end this thread?? Miles, Thanks for sticking up for me but I see no plaid shirts on the men on the steps… the men BEHIND the fence in front of JFK were the men that Bowers sees standing ten feet apart on one his first observations of the men before the assassination. The men on the steps at this point were sitting down before the assassination according to the Hudson testimony…. out of Bower’s view. Don

Sorry Gratz, Bill is correct by calling you a Bozo for the claim that Greer made the fatal head shot. A shout out to the Greer family... sorry this man is incorrect, please forgive him!! Don

How about a living person that was claimed as dead, can you convict them if evidence was provided??

Thanks, Miles ... I assume you were referring to me as the one dealing with facts. If need be, I will also show you two how what Don thought was an ear was nothing more than a sunlit leaf - Always glad to help with getting the facts straight ... as you must surely know by now! Bill Miller EMMETT HUDSON Might be worth a read - http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.p...ing_type=search Bill Miller Thu Aug-08-02 01:41 PM Member since Jul 14th 2002 5951 posts Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list #2326, "RE: Emmett Hudson - the real E.J.H." In response to Reply # 8 Why anyone would think the guy in the red shirt is Hudson is a mystery to me. That man was neither standing next to a man on the steps, nor could have rose up together with a man next to him on the steps, nor is wearing the light colored clothing that Hudson, himself said he wore. When I spoke to William Hudson (Emmett's sone) - he made it quite clear that his family was well aware of the Moorman photograph and which man was his dad. It sounded to me as if this topic was dicussed a good many times over the years amongst the family and personal friends. I should call William again one day to see if he'd be willing to tell me things his dad may have said in private that isn't in the official record. Anyway - below is Hudson's Social Security number. He was born in 1905 and that would make him the 58 year old man that William said his dad was at the time of the assassination. Hudson died in June of 1991 and was born in the state of Arkansas. His middle name was Joseph ... Emmett Joseph Hudson. I hope this has helped. There are other search engines one can use to find out about Hudson. Social Security Death Index Search Results June 2002 Update - 68,598,675 records - Updated Monthly The key to your research Join Ancestry.com Today! The most full-featured and up-to-date SSDI search engine on the internet Field Value Records Results Last Name HUDSON 36223 36223 First Name EMMETT 23118 15 Middle Name J Scanned Results 1 thru 1 of 1 Name Birth Death Last Residence Last Benefit SSN Issued Tools EMMETT J HUDSON 21 May 1905 23 Jun 1991 (not specified) (none specified) 432-20-8267 Arkansas SS-5 Letter Add Post-em Search Ancestry.com Great News Bill, I now have something to work with to eliminate the person that is dressed in the same attire as the old man hobo. You have to understand Mr. Miller that my studies of the photographs of these two people look like the same person. There is no mention of Hudson on the internet other than his testimony. His testimony leads one to beleive he is the man in the red shirt. Don

And what I am telling you is that Emmett Hudson was 58 years old on the day of the assassination, stocky, and had gray bushy hair. Bill Sorry Bill, you are wrong... Hudson was 56 on the day of the assassination. The red shirt man does fit the description of a stocky 56-year-old man. The gray bushy hair is your own claim. The old man tramp also has gray hair as a disguise; maybe his hair was bushy underneath his hat. Anyways, I go by the facts, not hearsay from some person on a forum. Don

Don, I thought you said that Hudson wasn't even there on the steps ... now you are implying that the red shirted man stopped Hudson from following the guy who ran off. Did I get that right? Bill Bill, Here is what I stated in my first post on this thread: “My investigation of the JFK assassination has always led me to believe that the 3 men on the stairs are... Jack Lawrence (man who ran up the steps after the shooting), E. Howard Hunt (standing next to Jack), and Emmett Hudson (standing on the lower step below the other two). This has always been my interpretation beyond what the WC states!!” So what I’m saying is that Emmett Hudson is the red shirt man on the stairs. Don

Don, With all due respect ... you couldn't even notice that the tramp had on a dark shirt and Hudson had on a light one. This would go hand in hand with your comment that all the films and photos of the assassination were faked. You must really be new to all of this, so I will leave you with a few facts and then not waste more time on this. Moorman's photo was filmed for TV not 35 minutes after the shooting and while it had never left Moorman's possession. That image was aired on TV not three hours after it was filmed. Mary's photo shows Emmett Hudson wearing a light colored shirt that matched his pants just as one would expect because Hudson was a grounds keeper for the plaza. Hudson's bushy white hair comes from several sources - two of which I will give you. In Groden's book "The Killing of a President" there is an excellent enlargement of the Towner #3 photo and it shows Emmett sitting on the ground near the tree on the slope. Emmett's thick bushy white hair is pretty evident in that photo. The other source for Emmett's bushy white hair came from his son (William Hudson) who I interviewed some years ago. I hope the infromation has helped you for you have a long way to go to learn the facts about much of this stuff. Good luck, Bill Bill, You are correct. I’m new to this forum as stated in the first line of this thread. After reading this forum for almost two years I was finally able to signup so I can discuss some of my findings that I’ve made over the 14 years of investigation into the JFK assassination I did address the issue of a light shirt by saying the older tramp has on several layers of clothing. He is wearing a light shirt under his jacket over his dark shirt. It is only exposed on his right side. This shirt shines brightly in the direct sun. The Hudson WC testimony has always struck me as strange since he does not discuss the third person on the steps. He does state: "I'll tell you - this young fellow that was sitting there with me - standing there with me at the present time, he says, “Lay down Mister, somebody is shooting the President." He says, "Lay down, lay down." This does not make sense to me because the only person that would make that statement would be the EHH/Tramp to the Red Shirt Man. According to the films and photos of the man thought to be Hudson soon becomes the Red Shirt Man. EHH stopped Hudson from following behind Jack Lawrence who tried to run up the stairs after the shots were fired. Don

Don, I would listen to Lee a little harder if I were you. The tramp you are talking about had on a darker shirt and he and Hudson's hats are no where close to being the same. Hudson was a grounds-keeper for the plaza - his hat was rounded on top and that's why it is him seen through the pyracantha bush. Towner three shows Hudson sitting on the ground and Emmett had bushy thick hair - the tramp did not! If it was Groden who led you believe that it was anyone but Hudson seen through the pyracantha bush - you should know that Robert will be changing that claim and correcting it in his upcoming book. Bill Hello Bill, I've studied all of the photos and films and have come to the conclusion that ALL of the photos and films were in some way faked to side with the WC and to hide the identities of the conspirators. A close-up of the Towner three does show EHH/Tramp getting ready to standup, he has a blur at the top of his head so you cannot tell what kind of hat he is wearing if he is wearing one at all. Now look at his shirt in the close-up, see the question mark? You'll find a question mark in many of the photos when thoroughly examined. Your bushy hair idea is new to me... can you please tell me the source that ID's Hudson as having bushy gray hair?? Any photo of Hudson would be greatly appreciated. The EHH tramp has on several layers of clothing as seen in the Tramp photos. Those pants are a dead giveaway to his identity... view the attachment to see EHH's favorite pair of pants. Don

Hello Don. What leads you to these conclusions? Hudson is the man at the top of the stairs, seen at the left in the Moorman. Aside from how he appears in the Moorman [missing top part of his head, a bloated body, broken leg, etc.], he is seen in a number of the aftermath shots, including Towner. He was elderly at the time of the assassination. His being seen on the ground in a number of aftermath photos is also consistent with his affidavit and testimony. Jack Lawrence was wearing a suit that day, was he not? I doubt that EH would have wanted to allow himself to be seen like that. He may be the man in the hat, sunglasses and trench coat, seen crossing the grass headed towards Elm in the [possible] Cancellare photo. It may also be him standing on the Main St corner. A third man on the stairs is never mentioned by Hudson. Hudson is never presented with anything significant in terms of the photographic record for comment during his questioning - consistent with the slant of the Whitewash Report, the opposite occurred [see exhibits from Hudon's testimony]. He also fails to appear in the Willis photo, which only gives him seconds to arrive on the scene to be captured by Muchmore, Nix and Moorman, and then turn and run away. This behavior is also not consistent with Hudson's account. - lee Hello Lee, I base my conclusion on many different photographs and films of the men on the stairs. First of all, I believe EHH was the old man tramp from the photos of the three hobos. The clothes of the man on the stairs match the old hobo's clothing as they were marched thru Dealy Plaza. EHH was filmed by Zapruder as "Helmet Hat Man" thru the pyracanta bush and his elf ear is exposed showing that EHH is the man on the steps. EHH was the head coordinator of the JFK assassination and had front row seats since he was in charge of the assassination!!! Too many inconsistencies with Emmett Hudson's story make me not a believer in his WC testimony... he says the young man kept telling him to get down but it's not what the pictures and the films show. His testimony seems like he is the man in the red shirt on the steps. I'll get to Jack Lawrence studies in a later thread. Don B.

Hello Don. What leads you to these conclusions? Hudson is the man at the top of the stairs, seen at the left in the Moorman. Aside from how he appears in the Moorman [missing top part of his head, a bloated body, broken leg, etc.], he is seen in a number of the aftermath shots, including Towner. He was elderly at the time of the assassination. His being seen on the ground in a number of aftermath photos is also consistent with his affidavit and testimony. Jack Lawrence was wearing a suit that day, was he not? I doubt that EH would have wanted to allow himself to be seen like that. He may be the man in the hat, sunglasses and trench coat, seen crossing the grass headed towards Elm in the [possible] Cancellare photo. It may also be him standing on the Main St corner. A third man on the stairs is never mentioned by Hudson. Hudson is never presented with anything significant in terms of the photographic record for comment during his questioning - consistent with the slant of the Whitewash Report, the opposite occurred [see exhibits from Hudon's testimony]. He also fails to appear in the Willis photo, which only gives him seconds to arrive on the scene to be captured by Muchmore, Nix and Moorman, and then turn and run away. This behavior is also not consistent with Hudson's account. - lee Hello Lee, I base my conclusion on many different photographs and films of the men on the stairs. First of all, I believe EHH was the old man tramp from the photos of the three hobos. The clothes of the man on the stairs match the old hobo's clothing as they were marched thru Dealy Plaza. EHH was filmed by Zapruder as "Helmet Hat Man" thru the pyracanta bush and his elf ear is exposed showing that EHH is the man on the steps. EHH was the head coordinator of the JFK assassination and had front row seats since he was in charge of the assassination!!! Too many inconsistencies with Emmett Hudson's story make me not a believer in his WC testimony... he says the young man kept telling him to get down but it's not what the pictures and the films show. His testimony seems like he is the man in the red shirt on the steps. I'll get to Jack Lawrence studies in a later thread. Don B.

Hello, I'm a newbie on this forum. My investigation of the JFK assassination has always led me to believe that the 3 men on the stairs are... Jack Lawrence (man who ran up the steps after the shooting), E. Howard Hunt (standing next to Jack), and Emmett Hudson (standing on the lower step below the other two). This has always been my interpretation beyond what the WC states!!

As a former investigator, my interest into the JFK assassination started in April 1993 when I was given a VHS copy of the Oliver Stone movie. From that point on I spent every free minute that I had studying photos, watching other films and have read every book I could get my hands on. During 1993-1996, I recorded everything on TV that was related to the JFK assassination. Took trips to Dallas just to see Dealey Plaza for myself and have sent other people to take pictures for me on where I believe the shots were fired from on 11/22/63. I've been a reader of this forum for 2 years now and enjoy reading the new things that I've never heard of that came out before 1993 and would like to add to the discussions. There are many things that are never discussed and should be addressed in relation to the assassination. In my mind, I know who was behind the assassination, who the shooters were and the sequence of shots.