Mark Haley

That'll be New Zealand Mike. Meanwhile, the Final was quite disappointing really. My feeling was that Howard Webb would probably let the Dutch get away with a bit more physical challenges which would give them half a chance against a Spanish team that has been passing teams off the park for a couple of years now. When Robben finally got a chance - and missed it, I was sure there would only be the one winner -Spain. Iniesta duly obliged, though he cut it fine. Other teams are going to have to come up with a way of nullufying Spain's pass and move game, preferably without resorting to the heavy handed tactics employed by Holland last night, or I can see them winning the European Finals in 2 years time.

A much better performance from England this afternoon. Could have won by 2 or 3. I have to say that the USA deserved to qualify. They've had a couple of perfectly good goals disallowed, hit the woodwork twice but ultimately grabbed their place in the next round in the nick of time. By winning the group USA now have a very good chance of progressing some distance into the competition. For England it's going to be a hard slog ... starting with Germany. If we can overcome them Argentina almost certainly await.

Mark, Are you asking about the CE842 envelope, or my test envelope? If the 842 envelope, I do not, what I have is just what Hunt posted as his scan in his article. Sorry I could not have been of more help. It would have been the one posted by Hunt. Thanks anyway. Mark

Hi Mike, do you have a copy of the clearer picture of the envelope that hasn't been cropped in ? Thanks Mark

Never mind JFK, the conspiracy to top all conspiracies is... how come Germany got to practise a full year with the much criticised World Cup Ball. Is it any wonder they gave the most convincing performance in the first round of matches ..? Mark PS: Despite Spain losing their first match, I'm confident they will win the remaining 2 to qualify for the latter stages

Unfortunately (or fortunately) there was a 'spillage' from England goalie Robert Green at a crucial moment before half time.

Frantz, you've come up with a fresh approach there. Fascinating. I'm pleased to see your trying it out on other photographs including the autopsy, and look forward to seeing more.

West Ham (inspired by the return of Parker) finally found their shooting boots against Wigan and also found themselves in a virtually unassailable position by 5 to 5 on Saturday.That was something not many were predicting after the back to back home defeats aginst Wolves and Stoke...but welcome nonetheless. Safety (barring a mathematical miracle) was assured when Burnley eventually crumbled against Liverpool on Sunday afternoon and, yet again, I'm sure I can't be the only relieved West Ham fan thinking we must never allow ourselves to get into this position again... again. David Gold has been the most public spokesman since then and he looks understandably happy that their immediate target of the club avoiding relegation has been achieved. He went on to infer that while they are not about to fire the management team, Zola may feel now might be a good time to take a sabbatical. I'm not sure how I feel about all that. Today, with Premier League survival in the bag it seems a tad harsh to dispense with Zola who has ploughed on through extraordinarily difficult circumstances under the previous owners.. and current. However, the low point against Wolves, and an insipid return to bad habits against Liverpool have put a big question mark in my mind. There are other concerns. The overall fitness of the squad has left a lot to be desired, senior players may still leave for pastures new, the Stadium location has to be resolved and... can we please have a decent shirt ! I'll let somebody else discuss tactics... it's Monday night and I'm still too emotionally exhausted. Oh well, they say the first 46 years are the hardest... and it won't ever be allowed to happen again... will it ? Of course it will. ;-) Mark

Words fail me...

I don't think many people predicted the turnaround that occured in West Ham's season starting with the second half up at Goodison Park. A cheap goal behind, Mido fluffing a penalty (who honestly thought he was going to score - not me) we looked odds on for a 7th defeat in a row. The second half was a completely different story and, but for another moment of Spector inspired defensive sloppiness ( we shouldn't have been surprised, Yakabu always scores against West Ham), we would have deserved to have won the game. As it was we went 2-1 down with time running out. Cue Faubert to supply easily the best cross he's put over in the 2 years he's been here for Ilan to score a spectacular diving header. On such moments entire seasons turn around. A huge injection of confidence visibly returned to the team which contributed towards a vital home win against Sunderland. I've only seen the highlights of that but I was particularly impressed with Mark Noble who stepped authoratively into Parker's boots. So, where does that leave us now ? 4 points clear with a handful of games left. I'm sure fans all over the country are trying predict the results of remaining games. Because of our superior goal difference (which is worth a point) I'm revising my opinion now to 35 points being the 'breath easy' mark. A win and a draw will require Burnley and Hull to win at least 3 times by the end of the season. I'm warily predicting a hollow celebration before the final game of a dismal season. I do hope so. Man City are looking very good... As for the future of Zola & Clarke. If they do leave Avram Grant would have to be in the frame.

The team certainly put in a better performance all around against Stoke yesterday. I admit it would have been difficult to play as badly again but personally I felt the crowd appreciated the players were giving 100%. My heart sank when I heard that Franco wasn't available for selection. He'd transformed the team on Tuesday night. Instead we had Mido supporting Cole upfront. To be fair, Mido gave it his all but, when a chance eventually fell to him following up Cole's rebound, he failed to control an awkward boucing ball and the moment was lost. In the second half Stoke really got to grips with what little attacking options we had (West Ham rarely threatened) then took all 3 points with an impressive solo effort from Fuller. The downfall of rain was perfectly timed and matched the mood of supporters. As we all trudged home I found myself wondering just what was David Pleat doing sat in the directors box ? Looking at the remaining fixtures I have resigned myself to relegation now (if I'm honest I alrfeady had before kick off). I don't expect the team to get anything from the 3 away games (possibly a draw at Fulham ?) and fully expect Hull to reach 36 points. So maximum points from the 3 home games it is then...

I certainly can pick 'em... My favourite quote about football is that "men frequently discard women during their lives, however, they choose a football team for life". (Like batteries, current Chelsea and Man Utd fans are not included.) West Ham is one gigantic swan with all of us swimming frantically around her. Mated hopelessly for life I blame me father. Mind you, he filled my head with tales of Allison, Keeble, Cantwell and Bond, then compounded it by taking me to see a team that included Moore, Hurst and Peters... oh, and last but not least... Budgie Byrne. A fantastic player ! Any West Ham fan will tell you it is very hard work following the Irons (none more so than last night's debacle). Those of you just starting... prepare yourself for countless false dawns, cup upsets, last minute equalisers, defensive gaffes, beauracratic balls ups, injury lists as long as... as... a very long arm. Savour going into injury time 2 goals up like it's your last meal. Best players will be sold, and there will be an occasional triumph... maybe... Most importantly know this, no matter how indescribably huge the disappointment, you will keep coming back for more... until you have indeed had your last meal. Last night was obviously an abject shambles on a monumental scale. Where can you begin ? I'll start and finish with the selection of Benni McCarthy up front. How any manager could justify picking him in that condition is beyond belief. I choose not to believe it. Zola must have known McCarthy wasn't even remotely fit enough to take part in a Blue Sq League game (and I say that with the greatest respect to Blue Sq players who are all much fitter than I ever was) let alone a Premier League game. I believe orders came down from higher up the food chain. "We've spent a ton of money on this player, why isn't he starting "... allegedly without prejudice Anyone with a pea sized knowledge of the game would have declared him a non-starter. It was like we were playing with 10 men (though that has seemed quite a regular occurence over the last 44 years), 9 if you include Kovacs. Nobody would be surprised that our one half decent period of the game was the last 10 minutes when Franco came on. Not only did he score but it took a fine save to deny him on a previous occasion. 1-3 actually flattered us on the night and I personally feel Zola should have fallen on his sword as he marched down the tunnel. However, like a doting swan I shall be gliding back down to the Boleyn on Saturday, with a hint of optimism gleaned from the last 10 minutes, coupled with the belief that we can't possibly play as badly again. I've been saying for ages that we will go into the last game requiring something against Man City, and predict 36 points will be the safety cut off. Under Zola/Clarke I don't think we've got a 'cat in hell's chance' of achieving that. Maybe Sir Trevor could ride to the rescue. Other than that I'm out of solutions

Just had a quick look Jack. The films are taken from slightly different angles but you would expect to see something of ? man. Unless,of course, he was stood behind B & C, then stepped to the side as the car came by ? MH

Well John, it can't be the easiest time for you at the moment. I hope that writing the tribute to your Mum has been a helpful experience for yourself, her family and friends. I smiled to myself when I read the paragraph about her being told 'girls do not read books' and 'did as she was told'.. I had a similar conversation with my 85 year old Aunt recently. I guess woman of their generation had things very different. Her conversation with your father about his 'secret world' seems to have had quite an impact on you. In one of those moments they set you off on a path towards your vocation. I am sure you will find the taped interviews and film recordings of her to be a great source of ... I don't know what exactly John. What I do know is one day you'll be very glad you did it and you will enjoy listening to her and watching her. My best wishes to you all over the next few days. Mark

Yes, some good shooting there albeit at stationary targets. In myth # 10 the heads seem to blown practically clean off - whether the shot was from behind or to the right, so I'm not convinced we can make an effective comparison. MH

Crystal Palace in administration ? Moses will be going 'somewhere' then. By the way, I listened to David Gold on Talksport last night with Mark Saggers and Alvin Martin. He said that West Ham would change their name to West Ham Olympic "over my dead body" ! Mark

Victor Moses would be a fantastic signing for West Ham. Un-surprisingly there seem to be several interested parties so it will be quite a coup if they pull it off.

Just an observation. You don't have a clue what you are talking about..... Craig, I'd just finished reading your Flushing the 'Full Flush left' Argument thread where you showed some frames from the film shot by Rick Janowitz and Scott Myers which "show continuous full flush left image penetration that is in perfect agreement with the Zapruder film". Fine. that shows it can be achieved. Thanks for that. I then looked at this thread and there's a frame from the A side of Zapruder's film of one of his grand children playing. The image I'm looking at doesn't even reach the sprocket hole. You're right, I don't have the first idea why that might be. That doesn't alter the fact the image I'm looking at here from Side A of Zapruder's film stops short of the sprocket hole but achieves "continuous full flush left image penetration" on Side B ? I'm curious. Why ? If I get permission to share emails from Lifton and Horne, there is an explanation. It is also in Horne IV. It involves Zavada pressuring Jamieson to change his testimony. Check Horne IV. Jack Thanks Jack, another member of this board has already sent me a private message explaining why the frame from the A side stops short of the sprocket hole. Mark Haley

Just an observation. You don't have a clue what you are talking about..... Craig, I'd just finished reading your Flushing the 'Full Flush left' Argument thread where you showed some frames from the film shot by Rick Janowitz and Scott Myers which "show continuous full flush left image penetration that is in perfect agreement with the Zapruder film". Fine. that shows it can be achieved. Thanks for that. I then looked at this thread and there's a frame from the A side of Zapruder's film of one of his grand children playing. The image I'm looking at doesn't even reach the sprocket hole. You're right, I don't have the first idea why that might be. That doesn't alter the fact the image I'm looking at here from Side A of Zapruder's film stops short of the sprocket hole but achieves "continuous full flush left image penetration" on Side B ? I'm curious. Why ?

Just an observation, there doesn't seem to be much 'Full Flush Left' going on in that frame of Zapruder's Grand Child.

The last couple of days have been a bit like watching a political news story break. Sky appear to feel obliged to film fans who think it's a good thing/bad thing/so so thing (delete as applicable Personally, I'm looking forward to a bit of calm, mid-table obscurity starting with comfortably avoiding relegation, though I'm not sure any club can expect an easy ride in these media driven days. With the benefit of hindsight, I think a bit of mass hysteria kicked in when Tevez/Mascherano came in. The 'loaded' Icelanders didn't help when they came in with ambitions of Champions League. The supporters will probably welcome some local involvement at the top of the club. Having followed it all I'd decided that Sullivan & Gold would be the most acceptable option at the moment. I think that, now the ownership situation is (partially) resolved, the players and management will feel more secure and hopefully start to play to their potential. It's been hard work watching the last few months. Aston Villa was a good example. Admittedly a very good result, but frustrating to watch. Nouble looks quite a prospect to me. Of course some people were expecting him to be the finished article at 18 years old. I've seen enough to feel confident that a Cole/Nouble pairing up front will give any defence plenty to think about. It does appear that Sullivan & Gold will be making some funds available to strengthen the squad. As other investors come on board I guess we can all become hysterical again. Then of course there is the proposed move to the Olympic Stadium...

Jack, Get a Photobucket account, it's totally free, and you can add any amount of images to this forum. It's a simple case of clicking on the "Add Image " icon above the posting box, and adding the image url. Click here to register at Photobucket I do not have time for such extracurricular activities. Jack Jack, it takes 2 minutes to set up a Photobucket account. After that you simply click the upload photo button, then copy the direct link (url) and stick it in the post. I'm going to copy one of the photos Dean just posted on this thread. log in to my photobucket account, upload the photo, copy the direct link and post the link here. Time me MH http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g86/ifth...LastScan124.jpg

Jack, Get a Photobucket account, it's totally free, and you can add any amount of images to this forum. It's a simple case of clicking on the "Add Image " icon above the posting box, and adding the image url. Click here to register at Photobucket I do not have time for such extracurricular activities. Jack Jack, it takes 2 minutes to set up a Photobucket account. After that you simply click the upload photo button, then copy the direct link (url) and stick it in the post. I'm going to copy one of the photos Dean just posted on this thread. log in to my photobucket account, upload the photo, copy the direct link and post the link here. Time me MH

Re: "To what does the "breaking Slipknot" comment relate?" In this case the word "breaking" would mean becoming very popular. MH

So, Mark Hughes joins the list. On the face of it his record this season looks very impressive, League Cup Semi-Finalists, just 2 defeats, still thereabouts in the Premier League... the timing of his dismissal seems a bit harsh. However, following on the back of a procession of draws, the defeat at Spurs mid-week was probably his undoing. With the transfer window looming up on the January horizon it's not that much of a surprise that the money men at Man City seem to have lost patience. That's one impact of the transfer window that nobody predicted. As long as it's in place team managers will be looking over their shoulders this time of year. Merry Xmas indeed MH