Frankie Vegas

Thank you so much Bernice. One wonders when they will stop being called conspiracy theories and be known as facts and crimes with victims and perpetrators. After doing some reading about the horrors and torture the children suffered during MKULTRA (including having their arms and legs dislocated being strapped to beds and fed LSD over a period of days, or having pins stuck in their eyeballs) how anyone could think that having one man shot is too fantastic for a govt agency. Knowing that Dulles signed off on all the money to pay for these kids torture I don't see why he would find the shooting of one man too offensive to sanction.

Thank you so much, I really appreciate your help. I have also been noting down all of the page numbers that Dr Burkley is mentioned on in IARRB. Would you like me to email them to you for your expanded contents? Thanks again.

I just tried to write you a private message but it says you can no longer recieve any more private messages.. Here is my request I remember reading a while ago in one of your posts an estimate of how many files were still being withheld. Please correct me if I am wrong but I am sure it was you and the pages may number in the millions. I would sincerely apreciate it if you could send me the same post or a similar abreviation. I understand your questioning me as my name is a little silly. I was born Amy-Lee Thompson. Every second girl in my school was called Amy as I grew up, so they took to calling us Amy B and Amy T. I hated being a number as such and Frances was a family name. I legally changed my name to Frankie, but my married name was Vegas. Sounds totally fake. Also on FB I use Fortune as a last name to distance myself from my ex husband. To make it worse, I kid you not, as middle names I chose Astro and seven. $151 dollars later I learnt my impulsive lesson.... Anyhow I have been reading your posts since I was 21 and always been a big fan. I would love your input. Thank you for your time and hopefully being forgiving. Peace out, Frankie

Thanks Bernice. What a fasinating story this man has to tell. Has anyone else read this book or heard anymore from him?

John Judge has asked Bob McFadden to perform his song Operation: The Education Of Tom Hanks at The Adolphus on 11/19 in Dallas, TX. Wish I was going. I hope this makes it to the video broadcast.

I just wanted to add this blurb from Bob McFadden and his website. Also he mentioned he would be going to Dallas this year. Dedicated to exposing the truth about the JFK/RFK/MLK Assassinations through E2B "truth in music" CDs and videos. Visit my website at: http://www.et2brute.com/

Thanks Bernice Andrea Skolnik made the pics for the group. Its been amazing the support we have received.

If anyone is interested in joining Operation Educate Tom Hanks the link is here. http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=102313059803858&ref=ts We have the addresses and contact details for anyone interested in contacting Hanks. And a big thanks to Bob McFadden for the amazing video

I rung Mr Spoden this morning, introduced myself and explained a little of the background of why I was calling. (mentioning Jim, thanks for that). Unfortunatley Mr Spoden said he could not tell me if Mr Illig's files were still there. I also think he may have had a hard time understanding my accent. I will hunt out a death notice for Mr Illig and find his executor. I also plan to follow up my call with Mr Spoden with an email. Also waiting for the probate courts Re: Nancy Burkley Denlea's executor. Thanks all for your help.

I think the daughter - the daughter of the doctor or the lawyer, but a daughter is of key signifance - and she controlls whether the info is released or not. BK Oh, yea, and another thing, Tony Summers once talked about the ability of someone to actually convince strangers to confide in them, a inate and intinuitive sensativity that makes people believe that you will do the right thing with the information they give you. He had an Irish word for it - but I forget what it is, but it's not something tangible that you can put your finger on - but something people sense when you are questioning them - and a trust and belief that witnesses put in those who they confide in. I don't know if this will apply in this case, but I think that the good doctor had faith in the lawyer that he confided in, and that the daughter should respect the wishes of the source to get this information out, and it is a matter of approach, as to whether or not they will trust you. I also think there are referencs to this in the Final Report of the ARRB. BK Thanks Bill, I have been writing notes on how I will aproach the situation, and lists of questions I will ask. I was brought up to be very polite so I don't think that will be a problem. I have also contacted The Mary Ferrel Foundation about taking the records if they are released. Thank you for the info on the ARRB. I will most definatly look this up before I make any moves.

I think the daughter - the daughter of the doctor or the lawyer, but a daughter is of key signifance - and she controlls whether the info is released or not. BK Unfortunately Nancy Burkley Denlea (George Burkley's daughter) passed on in 2002. I have had a friend in L.A search the probate courts to see who she may have passed the waiver rights onto, and who the executor of her estate would be (my guess was her husband). I have written to her husband, but no reply. Also the probate courts had my friend pay to have the files searched and said they would post out the info. This was aprox 2 months ago, and still no word. It occured to me the other night that the Burkley/Denlea family want to just stay away from the whole thing, which I find understandable as Dr Burkley was a great man and had a pretty unblemished work record apart from this. The law firm should have less emptional attachment to the situation and understand (I hope) that these files could add to the historical truth of the situation. I am unsure at this point if Mr Illig had children and/or if they would be able to sign a waiver to have any of his old work files released.

Thank you John. William, I had the feeling you would have tried this too. I am just waiting for the right time to ring from New Zealand. I will ask for Jim's contact and explain the background and importance of the files (if any are there). I have been going down the road of contacting the Denlea family, but no response, which is what I had expected. I also had some advice from legal council in the states about going through the courts if I can get no response anywhere. I will have to prove that these files are important to history. Also been reading up on historian's access to the files of lawyers. While it is a little vague and the laws are still kind of under disscussion it has been very helpful. I will let you all know how it goes, fingers crossed.

Wow, thank you! This has been such an amazing help. I will let you know how I get on....

Thank you so much. I will get on to it ASAP. I hope that since they have such a large firm the records and files will be well maintained. Due to space and cost some firms destroy thier files after x amount of years. Once again, thank you.

Yes. I am interested in finding who is the executor of his estate. I can't seem to find a death notice anywhere. I do think this is due to my search abilities. (lack of)

I am hoping someone will be able to help me find a death notice or obituary for William F Illig, Erie, Pennsylvania. He worked at MacDonald, Illig, Jones and Britton law firm. Thank you in advance.

Agreed up to a point. These backyard photos have been (ab)used in the official attempts to accuse an innocent man, and there is no doubt they have been and REMAIN effective PROPAGANDA against Lee Oswald. But they are only PROPAGANDA, and not EVIDENCE that Lee Oswald ever committed any crime. My Father (May He Rest In Peace) was a crack shot, who often brought home a bagful of pheasant for dinner. He was also a keen photographer with his own darkroom. My father made numerous black-and white photos of my brothers and myself posing with rifles and shotguns, and none of us ever became assassins (so far at least). So I am not impressed by all the hoopla about Lee Oswald and the backyard photos, and I don't think anyone else should be either. As to the AUTHENTICITY of the photos, one needs only to search the forum archives for the many posts by Craig Lamson. Craig has forgotten more about photography than even my beloved father ever knew. Some members here have tried to outdo the Warren Commission by persecuting and accusing Marina Oswald, and I have recently been hounded by new members who want to know how many photos Marina took, etc. I have already dealt with these questions in previous years, and if anyone still wants to know my answers then I suggest they search the forum archives, IF THEY ARE NOT TOO LAZY. So I say that if anyone is SERIOUSLY interested in getting to the bottom of the JFK assassination, then go look where the EVIDENCE leads. I don't really want to reply to your post because you can be so rude, but surely you can see the difference between kids posing with hunting rifles and such (especially from a hunting family) and a man posing with 2 guns in his back yard holding communist newspapers in the middle of the cold war.

I just wanted to point out one instance on another forum where Reclaiming History was the topic. I posted a link to the thread which was Mr Lanes rebuttal to Bogliousi. It was titled "Vinny its Round". In response Mr Von Pein replied with a link to his site, an a piece he had written which was a conversation he had made up between Mr Bugliousi and Mr Lane. I dont want to be rude or stir, it's just an example of made up stuff.

From Victor Marchetti and John D Marks' 'The CIA And The Cult Of Intelligence' Pg 193. According to a former high-ranking agency official, ( DELETED ) and the Parisian newspaper, "Le Combat." This same ex-official also recalls with an ironic smile that for several years the agency subsidized the New York Communist paper, 'The Daily Worker'. In fairness to the Worker's staff, it must be noted that they were unaware of the CIA's assistance, which came in the form of several thousand secretly purchased prepaid subscriptions. The CIA apparently hoped to demonstrate by these means to the American public that the threat of Communism in this country was indeed real.

Evan, was it in one of these photos or one on Mars that quackmeister Hoagland said he saw a robot head? Sounds like the kind of thing that Jim Fetzer would heartily endorse.

Yes, that is what someone told me. So its accurate. Didn't this all start with that ridiculous Fox special? I mean I know there were books about it before, but that Fox special was the first time this actually got wide play right? Jim...I have great respect for all of your JFK research and writing. But as with 911, you again demonstrate that you are out of your element in regard to the fakery of the Apollo "moon photos". You speak again without having any idea what you are talking about. There are legitimate questions about whether the missions were accomplished as per the official record. But there is no doubt that the photos were faked. http://www.aulis.com/jackstudies_index1.html http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.htm Jack Seamus writes. Jack, I respect you and your work also. But when you say to Jim who is just making an obsevation "But as with 911, you again demonstrate that you are out of your element in regard to the fakery of the Apollo "moon photos" Jims questions look totally sane, to me. May I remind you Jack you hang out with a guy who believes no Planes hit the Twin Towers. So I've gotta say, Jim doesnt have to be correct or agree with every conspiracy thats out there. It doesnt mean he doesnt know anything. Some people want him to be as kooky as they are. Im sorry, Jack mate Jim doesnt play kook. However, your photograph stuff is interesting. I have some questions surounding the photo's myself by the way. But one good excuse to beleive the moon landings happened is that Jim Fetzer says they didnt!

So did me and Seamus.

Seems so Pat. Just a lame attempt to foist the mob on us once more. But yeah it would be god to know.

Goddamn Bingo. I reckon you should have asked Seamus to have put that in the Jones study. He deals to Johnson and Brown. Wasnt there the story of the two sets of researchers disagreeing over the evidence? Jim I think there could be some cred to John S's idea of the Wallace print being planted. Thats always intrigued me. Is that a possibility or stretch?

François, I can understand how belief in the Warren Commission Report might drive you to such existential despair, for as admitted by the authorities, all the planning and protective methods used in the world cannot stop a lone nut. That's part of the beauty in the beast. No one is to blame, and no one can stop it happening. Lone Nuts & Godzilla - preturnatural forces of mayhem, beyond the abilities of the FBI and Secret Service; beyond the destructive forces of Japanese special effects. Tokya should have hired Fritz and his men. But I digress. Aggh! François. We must discuss these things. Meet me at the Café Torché at 6:00 p.m. Thats some very, very funny stuff you and Pat are monopolising the one liners at the moment. Seamus emailed me Greg to say "Parks, When you get Jacque Cousteau to the Cafe order him a nice warm cup of 'shut the XXXX up' made with your unique blend of Antipodean beans."