Bernice Moore

hi jerry pleased to see you snaggled the copies of the artifact also....quote Jim Fetzer ''There is a pattern here. Mack sought to manipulate Mary Moorman from stepping into the street, as David Lifton has explained in the Appendix to "Moorman in the Street". He has participated in deceptive documentaries by offering specious arguments for not taking probable shooting locations seriously. He--and The 6th Floor Museum--are stonewalling my request to obtain a copy of the 4x5 slide of frame 317. And here is denies what everyone can see with their own eyes--that this is no artifact! I am reminded of that old Richard Pryor joke: "Who are you going to believe--me or your lying eyes?", in the new, updated version from Gary Mack! Jim i have wondering the why we have not read anything further about the request to Gary for frame 317 what's the hold up Gary why?? shame......must you wait for those new specs..before you can see to find it..??.enquiring minds want to know...i think there may be only one reason Gary that you would not want to share a copy of the 4x5 slide of frame 317. and me thinks all here know the reason...get a move on and grant the request so the research can continue,,or is there some reason perhaps you do not wish it to..?? take care you need to...b..

Thanks, Robin...for the source, which is much more recent than the Groden disk, which I have had more than ten years. Gary is full of BS that the artifact represents a "scratch". See attached. Do you or anyone else agree with Mack? Jack i think gary may need to make a optometrist appt tomorrow..this was your post of the artifact within robins frame .and comment ...b

thanks john to tell you the truth i think there is an overwhelmingly protesting too much about jack's work it is another of those times that we have seen in the past where many who will and do jump on board for the sake of either not having any studies of their own to compare or ..not knowing of what they speak or c just to be seen as going along to get along..it is the get jack show sometimes called THE JACK ATTACK... i do not know where he gets his stamina from it must be TEXAS and the many have piled on and that cannot be denied...all one must do is go through the threads it is a shame that, as i feel it only demeans the research community as a whole and makes one wonder if at times we do more hsrm to ourselves than many an outsider could possibly but it is allowed and will carry on...we all must live and learn as they say only trouble is as we both know some never do..txs for the come back...take care//b ps imo there certainly is too much protesting i have not changed my mind...on that point

john the clavius site is well known for degrading jack..at every opportunity it has been hateful it is the type of site that chases normal people away and makes one wonder what kind of mind sets those that do contribute have imo,,but then to each their own there is more to the story re the hsca than that little hateful demeaning clip they have posted which does not tell all.......jack has done hundreds of studies searching for the truth for one and all during the past more than 40 years trying to help find that truth i do not think there is another on this board who can say and prove the same as he has constantly done so.. some did start out writing books doing studies articles ec but then they quit or took many years off carried on with what they wanted to do, the complete resolve was only shown by jack white he kept on while many dragged their feet or took time off..there are many derogative remarks about jack on the web on many sites he has been and still is a main target, how would you like it, and do you think you could take it as he has.for the sake of finding out the truth about the conspiracy and death of jfk. who was i might add your president and your familys as well.....and jack still does.take it and still is....the old saying of walk in another mans shoes comes to mind and until one has been on that other receiving end in reality they do not know of what they speak of imo.. i would also like to see any members studies on clavius that have been done r the assassination of their president or is it just one sided talk on their part so they can throw stones but that is all....like they must put their actions where their mouths are unless there are just a drop in the pan and they have moved quickly on..with no interest in the actual truth of their country....perhaps some have done studies i do not know,,but if so i do wish they would present such also may i ask please that you show myself and others interested any of the studies that you may have completed or are these just your thoughts at this time and perhaps as more time passes and you may learn much more..those perhaps with time may change...no offense meant just that i am interested now in seeing some of your work re the assassination.seeing that you have seen fit to clip and post criticism at someone who has done much for all.....thankyou...b

What about the ones who had silencers on their guns? Kathy C paul here is but one of the many threads found in a search of the forum...on how many shots in the plaza .b http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...ts+dealey+plaza b..

I AM SURE ALL THE L/NRS AND THEIR FRIENDS APPRECIATED THAT ONE DUNCAN...B

WILL THESE HELP AT ALL GIFS THE VERY SLO MO I AM SORRY I DO NOT KNOW WHO MADE IT FOR US..I AM THINKING CHRIS NOT SURE .THE OTHER TWO ARE BY FRANK AQBAT TXS B

thanks robin for reminding me... this is the one in bronson where marilyn sitzmans legs look like elephant trunks and they did not she had very good legs but not in the photo.....b

KATHY I THINK THESE WILL SHOW YOU HE APPEARS QUITE SOLID AND STOCKY.IN BUILD...IN THE LAST HE IS WITH SOME OF GARRISONS MEN I THINK ON HIS WAY INTO COURT..FOR NOW NITE..B

Bernice, the photo under your gif -- did you notice how puffy that man's sleeves and shoulders are? It's the one with the 2 men and the bus. Is that why you posted it? Kathy C THAT'S HICKS THE ONE IN THE LIGHT COLORED JACKET WHO STATED HE WAS THERE FOR RADIO COMMUNICATIONS DO A GOOGLE AND HIS INFO COMES UP... AND HAS WHAT APPEARS TO BE A LUMP COULD BE SOME THINK A RADIO IN HIS BACK POCKET..HE WAS A VERY SOLID INDIVIDUAL SHOULDERS IN SOME WAYS BUILT LIKE A BOXER OR WRESTLER SO I THINK IT IS JUST HIM..I WILL FIND OTHER PHOTOS OF HIM SHOWING YOU.WHAT I MEAN ...PLEASE EXCUSE ALL CAPS TAKE CARE B..I'LL BE BACK OF COURSE CANNOT FIND THEM SHEESH.. B

HI CHRIS VERY NICE GIF CAN I SAY AS USUAL YOU SPOIL US..YOU HAVE YOUR OWN FILE FOLDER I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON..ALL TUCKED AWAY THAT I HAVE MENTIONED IN THE PAST SIGNED PACK RAT.. .BUT YOUR WORK IS AND HAS BEEN VERY APPRECIATED MORE FLOWERS FOR YOU FOR ANOTHER...THERE SEEMS TO BE MUCH MOVEMENT GOING ON IMO UP AROUND THE ZAP HEAD AREA...OR SO IT SEEMS TO ME.NOW HERE ARE THREE OF ZAPPY AND SITZ IN NIX IN STILLS..THEY ARE WELL AWFUL IS AS GOOD A WORD AS ANY THERE IS NOT ONE CLEAR SHOWING THEM THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN..FWTAW...YOU ASKED FOR THEM... ONE REPRESENTS JACK'S RESEARCH...I HAVE THESE MARKED IN NIX...BEST B...PLEASE EXCUSE THE CAPS THANKS THAT TIME OF NIGHT..

BILL each box was said to weigh 50 lbs fyi..b

now i would like to read your answers ...up next pat speer...your turn... take call all b..and keep in mind none of this changes a thing...

hi chris he was suppose to be and it does appear that he is in some photos but in marilyn sitzman's tape that she made with her doctor she says he was not and she was looking at the back of his head so your guess is as good as any .best take care ..b

cool Dave, never seen those pics before. Thanks for the link. So what other pics of people with communication devices on them? seems like there was one with a bus in the background. Or is this example said picture, just cropped? these may be some john... the gif is from bell by rick needham he does such good work...a couple of jim hicks crops//and in willis..and a crop from altgens...there is another taken after of a man coming down the knoll but i cannot find it right now when i do i will post for you.found him it is from duncan i believe or james richards not sure now...take care b..

its going to be his usual garb. Everything is faked, everything is altered. But he wants other people in the forum to do research on photos. Pure lunacy. This picture (which is great btw) is perfect photographic evidence that refutes the Chaney riding forward theory. Well, let the denial start flowing. john dugan you are entitled to you own opinion that is a given but in your next post you did mention something to the effect there was no attack meant, my words, yet in your first you made the accusation of lunacy... tell you what fellas i called it as it appeared to me and there have been so many denials so quickly all claiming to be innocent ..me thinks though doest protest too much...it appears to me and obviously that i hit a nail on the head somewhere or would not have received those denials so quickly...as they put it the game is afoot so imo do not try to deny it to me,i have watched it for many years and it is very apparant in many threads so go have a search and a good long read..and keeping mind this type of behaviour is far from new...you can fool some of the people some of the time but..and that is my opinion so, go try and convince others you are not making any headway here.but do..take care all...b

Bernice, you are correct. It has been going on for many years, with just some new bashers added occassionally. The games they play are woefully obvious! Thanks. Jack hi jack i have seen it many times down through the years this time i decided to call it as i sees it and will again..rotten ....imo it gives any young person the wrong impression from so called adults doing what they call research..i hope they would know still that there still is a right and a wrong though it seems apparent some adults have lost that sense of decorum.. and as you mention the players come and go. and the reply being so droll and nonsensical...someone described them to me in an email as reminding them of like black spiders sitting waiting to pounce i thought that about covered them, funny though so many have come and gone through the years but your still going...on and on..too bad for them...but good for you it will continue as it always has..you must do something and have very right or they would have ignored you for years which never happens on any board i have seen..in the past nor this one...it must get tiring, though so do take heart my friend...and carry on..as you do and will...cheers. .best b...

altgens contact sheet...b

jack needless to say the clarity is astounding when compared...thanks b index.urlKeep in mind that Altgens 8 (allegedly the final one on the roll) is provably taken from the middle of Elm Street. Keep in mind that Altgens immediately crossed the street where he was photographed by Cancellare moments later WHILE THE MOTORCADE WAS STILL GOING BY! Jack The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...5708&st=120

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=12445 tom purvis links to w/c maps and info..re altgens .txs

GARY SHAW JOHN STOCKWELL VIDEO ALT... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhdR9-6gcsM altgens comes into the discussion...b

Bernice...the second link did not work. These other Altgens shots have INTERESTING IMPLICATIONS!!!!!! Jack hi jack it is of the same frames i tried to make it smaller and did but it still led to the paint program i did something wrong..they are the same..sorry bout that...if you need john's em ad let me know...b http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/17/us/james...agewanted=print -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- December 17, 1995 James Altgens, Photographer at Kennedy Assassination, Dies at 76 By ERIC PACE James W. Altgens, a longtime Associated Press staff member known for his photograph of the anguished Jacqueline Kennedy, seconds after her husband's assassination, clambering onto the back of their car while a Secret Service agent moved to her aid, was found dead on Tuesday in his home in Dallas. He was 76. Mr. Altgens, who was retired, and his wife, Clara, 73, were both found dead at the home, The Associated Press reported. The Dallas Morning News reported on Friday that relatives said the couple had been suffering from the flu but that the police were looking into the possibility that they had died of carbon monoxide poisoning from a defective furnace. Mr. Altgens, known as Ike, was photographing President Kennedy's motorcade at Dealey Plaza, in downtown Dallas, on Nov. 22, 1963. After taking photographs of the immediate aftermath of the assassination, he telephoned to his news agency and was the first to tell it that the President had been hit by gunfire and gravely wounded. The agency transmitted a news bulletin about the shooting that reported that Mr. Altgens had said he thought the noise was fireworks until he spied blood on the President. In a dispatch that Mr. Altgens wrote for the agency later that day, he said: "There was a burst of noise, the second one I heard, and pieces of flesh appeared to fly from President Kennedy's car. Blood covered the whole left side of his head. Mrs. Kennedy saw what had happened to her husband. She grabbed him, exclaiming, 'Oh, no!' " The Associated Press, in its book on the assassination, "The Torch is Passed . . ." which was published soon afterward, republished Mr. Altgens's photograph of the First Lady and the agent with a caption saying it "shows Secret Service Agent Clint Hill leaping toward Mrs. Kennedy as she desperately moves for help in the first moment of horror." Mr. Altgens was born and reared in Dallas and went to work for the Associated Press in 1938, when he was 19. He retired in 1988. Mrs. Altgens, the former Clara B. Halliburton, is survived by two sisters, Myrtis Grant and Gladys Gleaves, both of Dallas. Photos: James W. Altgens's photograph of Jacqueline Kennedy being aidedby a Secret Service agent, Clint Hill, moments after President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dealey Plaza in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. (Associated Press; Associated Press, 1963) •Copyright 2010 The New York Times Company •Home

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JACK THESE WERE FROM JOHN WOODS...the second one is too big i will be back...b QUOTE There are at least two images attributed to Altgens which he disavowed. Most notably the one showing Zapruder and Sitzman leaving the pedestal I'd like to see a citation for this claim. Even if true it was probably a case of mistaken atribution. If the conspirators wanted to fake a photo why atribute it to a known photographer who wasn't in on the plot. There was another photo of 'Mr. Z' and Stizman near the pedestal. Any evidence that eithe rof those were faked? Len, I work on this alleged film since the 1970's and have concluded that two out-focus slides were exposed, developed by the Kodak Company and than disappeared. I have made several efforts to obtain the original slides via the inidivual who may have these slides. john The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...=126&t=5708 for now b..