Daniel Meyer

A couple of details. I don't remember much of New Orleans public transit before the 1970s, but much similar to a decade earlier. It was better than currently in the city, especially in the older parts of town closer to the river. Not unusual for people to commute to work from say the Carrollton neighborhood (around where the map says "Oak Street" towards the center left) to the Central Business District/Canal Street on the border of the French Quarter, less than an hour on NOPSI (New Orleans Public Service Inc. -  the company that ran transit, electric, and gas in the city; the latter two partially subsidizing public transit).

Left out of the map is the Murrat house, on French Street in the Lakeview section. That was a middle to upper middle class "automobile suburb" at the time;  IIRC most use of public transit was "domestic help" (maids) coming in mornings and leaving evenings. The French Street address was just a block and a half off the Canal Boulevard line, making it plausibly accessible by public transport. But buses were rare off the morning and evening peak; I recall 90 min or more waits in that part of town for a bus when I visited that part of town before I had a car. It would also involve transfers; least difficult in '63 would be to take the old Canal Streetcar to the end of the line in Mid-City (at City Park Avenue) then transfer to the Canal Boulevard Bus. 

Getting to Ochsner not only involves transfer within the system; it is outside of the city  limits of New Orleans in Jefferson Parish, involving another transfer to the separate Jefferson Parish transit system. The map shows a route from St. Charles Avenue to River Road in Jefferson near Ochsner. That would be a good route by automobile, but I'm unaware of any public transit route doing that. From Magazine/Marengo area either two bus routes or one bus and one streetcar to get to the intersection of S. Claiborne and S. Carrollton, then another transfer to Jefferson Parish Jeff Highway bus 2 miles to Ochsner. 

FWIW.

Local coverage of Brouillette's murder & the arrest of the apparent murderer. 

https://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/news/article_663c9f9f-89bc-5acf-93b4-486ff50c9176.html

https://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/12/frenchy_brouillette_murder_arr.html

I read the book shortly after it came out.

It seemed to me the memoirs of a mob-tied crook and conman who spent much of the time he was writing about in an alcohol or drug induced haze, but who improbably outlived most of his criminal contemporaries. 

An example of how he tried to reconstruct his memories: He mentions Louis Armstrong playing piano at the Old Absinthe House.  Of course Armstrong played trumpet, not piano.  The house pianist for many years of that time was Walter "Fats" Pichon, fairly well known locally.  Brouillette as a not-well-educated white from small town Jim-Crow era Louisiana who came to the city may well have found it surprising that a "colored" musician would be given the level of respect to have a sign advertising him by name where he was playing. Louis Armstrong was a colored musician Brouillette had heard of, so apparently he just assumed that's who it must have been. 

Some incidents are written about as if they're funny, but have sinister aspects.  He writes about volunteering to kill and dispose of the body of a woman; he drives her to a shallow bayou within the city and throws her off the bridge, but all that happens is she gets wet and muddy and runs away. The incident is presented as if it's slapstick comedy.  Unstated is what happened to the woman later - I'd presume some more professional killer would have been sent out to finish things.

Frenchy Brouillette claims Marcello bragged about having had JFK killed.  Whether or not such a brag was made, it neither proves nor disproves direct involvement. 

Sorry, I don't recall Layton ever mentioning Frenchy, and never talked with Frenchy myself. I saw Frenchy around town, mostly the French Quarter, a couple of times after I became aware of who he was.  I read the book shortly after it came out. I'll reply about that on the thread about Brouillette.  

I haven't heard anything relevant from other musicians.

Some older musicians remembered Carlos Marcello mostly as being a generous tipper. Same from some people who encountered him while working as waiters.  There's a fair amount of unfortunate nostalgia for him around town. 

http://www.snopes.com/history/american/lincoln-kennedy.asp

Both assassinations were conspiracies.


John Wilkes Booth was an actor who played multiple roles.
Lee Harvey Oswald was a role played by multiple actors.

Confederate States of America = CSA
Central Intelligence Agency = CIA

Both acronyms have 3 letters, starting with C and ending with A. Both organizations caused the deaths of many patriotic Americans.

James Wilkes Booth was known by three names.
So were James Jesus Angleton and David Atlee Phillips.


In November 1876, criminals attempted to steal Lincoln's body but were foiled by investigating officers of the law.

In November 1963, officers of the law stole Kennedy's body and foiled a criminal investigation.

Lincoln assassination co-conspirators were hung in Washington D.C., meeting their end with nooses.

Kennedy assassination co-conspirators hung around Washington D.C., nuisances to the end.

Witness to history recounts fateful day of JFK’s assassination

Dallas Morning News

Published November 16, 2013

By MARY WOODWARD PILLSWORTH

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/jfk50/reflect/20131116-witness-to-history-recounts-fateful-day-of-jfks-assassination.ece

Mary Woodward said shots came from the "Grassy Knoll" for 30 years before reversing testimony. "Mary Woodward Turnaround" http://www.manuscriptservice.com/DPQ/woodwo~1.htm

It all hinges on if you accept the Caesar Commission's single nail theory....

Seriously, it seems that finding people on the street severely ignorant of history is as challenging as shooting fish in a barrel.

What, none of them are airing "The Men Who Killed Kennedy"? Or "Rush to Judgement"?!

Some of the multiple previous threads on this topic:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=7998 Wikipedia

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8861 Wikipedia, Spartacus and the JFK Assassination

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17123 Wikipedia and Neutrality

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9640 Wikipedia Co-Founder seeks to start over.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5247 Wikipedia/Democratic Underground

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18475 Wikipedia and Operation Mockingbird

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8247 Investigating a Wikipedia administrator

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=17487 CTKA gets Wiki to backtrack

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And your answers before any interpretation should be:

\OZ! M V S –

\OZ! N S –

\OZ! M V S $

\OZ! N B $

\OZ! F S $

After my decoding of selected letters/numbers to arrive at what I think is the intended interpretation:

Whack OZ! 12:21, Sturgis

Whack OZ! N Sturgis (“N” is most certainly Roy S Truly/TSBD due to other things we know)

Whack OZ! 12:21, Sturgis, $

Whack OZ! $13 $

Whack OZ! Frank Sturgis, $

I’ll have much more on this topic, some speculation, and some not - stay tuned.

Tom

You note the backslash (\) as "whack" (typographer slang); the exclamation mark (!) is "bang".

Whack OZ Bang

Firearm reference?

I wasn't going to say this, Tommy, because it will probably annoy a lot of our friends in this group, but the reaction of some people to the Boston case and some of the others you mention has me re-evaluating my own feelings about accepting certain claims.

Re-evaluate, but don't overreact.

I suspect some people who've studied the JFK assassination and are well aware of lies issued in the name of the FBI may simply associate FBI = Lies. Like the parable of the boy who cried "Wolf!", a history of false reports can result in a loss of credibility.

That said, IMO it's not healthy to assume there's never a wolf nor that there's always a wolf.

I keep hearing about the video showing one of the suspects placing the backpack bomb. I've never seen it among the numerous videos broadcast nor online. Has anyone else here?

WASHINGTON (AP) - Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick says surveillance video from the Boston Marathon attack shows the suspect putting his backpack down and moving away in time to avoid being injured by the blast of the bomb inside it.

Speaking Sunday on NBC, Patrick says the video clearly puts 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (joh-KHAR' tsahr-NEYE'-ehv) at the scene of the attack. Tsarnaev is in serious condition at a Boston hospital after his capture Friday.

Patrick says the video is "pretty clear about his involvement and pretty chilling, frankly."

So, Gov Patrick has apparently been shown the video, but it still hasn't been made public.

Guardian: FBI faces questions over previous contact with Boston bombing suspect. Agency admits it interviewed Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2011 'at request of foreign government' but did not find 'terrorism activity'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/21/boston-marathon-bombings-fbi-tsarnaev

I keep hearing about the video showing one of the suspects placing the backpack bomb. I've never seen it among the numerous videos broadcast nor online. Has anyone else here?

Oswald in New Orleans -- Anyone have anything on LHO applying for work work at Motion Picture Advertising, I believe also known as Alexander Motion Picture Corp, 1000 block of Carondelet Street?

Summer of '63, he was also remembered applying for work for Katz & Besthoff, aka "K&B", leading locally based drug store & sundries chain at the time. At both the branch at Canal & Dauphine, and the main office on Camp & St. Joseph. The Canal St branch was the chain's camera and photography center.

JFK in New Orleans May 1962.

http://photos.nola.com/tpphotos/2011/11/president_john_f_kenney_in_new.html

The first article I saw about this:

http://www.examiner....-records-secret

was a mostly neutral description of the Archives reversal on release of the materials, other than a short scolding of the Obama administration:

"Kurtz' promise to process the secret JFK related documents fulfilled President Obama's expressed desire that his administration be the most open in history. Today's reversal to release these records defeats President Obama's pledge that his has be the most open administration in history."

I searched for other articles on the web at the time without success.

A couple of days later the more high-profile Salon.com article came out:

http://www.salon.com...docs/singleton/

which IMO obscures the issue with "Cuba did it" disinfo and the curious statement "While it is true that JFK assassination is the most declassified event in U.S. history, in some respects NARA has done a poor job of carrying out the letter, spirit and intent of the JFK Act."

While I tend to agree with many of the cynical opinions expressed in this thread, I see some potential usefulness in this news story. It clearly shows the government is still hiding things, and give a good opportunity to ask "lone nutters" exactly why details are still classified if the murder of JFK was the result of nothing more than nutty Oswald firing a few rounds with a cheap rifle.

The 2000 election debacle in Florida was, well, criminal.

Even worse though, was the 2004 felony. For so many years the media has told us to rely on exit polls; they even in years past would predict a winner on exit polls. The initial exit polls showed Kerry with a decided lead. I remember that lil creep Tucker Carlson being so down in the mouth as it seemed his clowns were on the losing end. Then after a commercial break, EVERYTHING turned upside down. Even Carlson could not believe what he was seeing.

And to make matters worse, Kerry just sat and took it in the posterior without as much as a yelp.

What a deal.

Gore took it without as much as a yelp just like Kerry did.

The American public had very little chance when Gore vs Florida went to the Supreme Court. Gore's lawyers did not ask for the right kind of recount.

But in the end, American voters and non-voters would wind up accepting the court's narrow decision as their lot.

Gore issued this written statement:

"As I said on Dec. 13th of last year, we are a nation of laws and the presidential election of 2000 is over," he said. "And of course, right now

our country faces a great challenge as we seek to successfully combat terrorism. I fully support President Bush's efforts to achieve that goal."

The "War on Terrorism" seemed to immobilize the American public even more.

Barry wrote: "If only you would choose to exercise your constitutional rights and start demanding the truth from your government, a break-through may occur."

Shortly after he added: "If America is a true Democracy elected officials must serve the people not rule them. But it seems the Military Industrial Complex has won."

Unfortunately Federal courts have ruled that those constitutional rights do not extend to the full and complete truth. Most Americans that experienced the shock

of President Kennedy's murder and are still alive today lived through the political activism of the sixties. They are astute enough to realize why that movement failed.

Five decades of experience will do that to you. No one that I know believes that America is, or was a true Democracy.

If the MIC has won, there's not a helluva lot that anyone can do and Americans figured that out a long time ago. Most of them.

Much respect to those that are still trying. Not in our lifetime.

But remember: The less we push back, the faster it will keep getting worse.

Robert, you painted a persuasive picture of a vast landscape of competing and insecure organizations made up of intelligence agencies, armed services, and vendors allied with them.

DIA became the largest of the intel shops and the least familiar.

The vastness, even by 1963, seems to make harmless coicidence a less likely explanation for the relationships of individuals and the moves...examples are Gilpatric from General Dynamics counsel to DOD, and his law partner, Tex Moore from publisher of Time to the General Dynamics board, and their pal McCloy, and Crown Hilton sponsored Earl Warren, Albert Jenner, and possibly Howard Willens all packed onto the smallish WC, while Time was suppressing the Zapruder film.

Thanks for the kind words Tom, I have really enjoyed sorting through this LeMay business, the technological advancements

of our times [ie Internet, online books] as well as a virtual encyclopedia of JFK literature are allowing some rather unique helps to, insofar as is possible determining the "center" of the JFK assassination. A crime of such a magnitude

as it was precluded the possibility of any real definitive confession, other than Ricardo Morales, David Atlee Phillips

and those examples are largely in the eye of the beholder.

What I mean is that the list of President Kennedy's ersatz enemies, Dulles, LBJ, J Edgar Hoover, Nixon, members of the much scoffed at by the mainstream media 'military industrial complex' who Eisenhower warned the American people about in his farewell address, were all too smart to leave anything behind that smacks of "I ordered JFK's assassination" although one can always hope, [grins].

Instead we have a couple of tapes and some destroyed files ie Nixon's 18 1/2 minute gap, LBJ's 14 1/2 minute gap

and J Edgar's personal and confidential files destroyed by longtime secretary Helen Gandy. And so it goes.

But just to state the obvious think about the fact that literally anyone who has access to the books I mentioned could arguably, find a passage that identifies "Grandson," although something tells me it won't be quite that easy.

One last thing about the Oswald did it crowd's response to something like this, not that I care, but when JFK

was assassinated, the really cerebral and connected persons of that time knew Oswald was just the fall guy

and they were a pretty small minority, for the most part 48 years later, the same dynamic holds true, I would rather

be labeled a conspiracy theorist mocked and scorned than a person that cant handle the truth, and helps perpetuate

falsehoods tailor made for a false historical vision of history.

And with an eye towards those who are more than somewhat interested

in this thread the following may prove of interest

http://www.nara.gov/cgi-bin/starfinder/2194/jfksnew.txt

Interesting stuff. I'm replying to point out that the NARA link appears to be individual log in specific rather than a permanent URL. Perhaps you could share a title or key words so it could be searched for (&/or copy the text if practical), thanks.

Reznikoff now has a business in Westport called University Archives. He has a number of Lee Harvey Oswald relics, including several group photos of Oswald in the Marines. Oswald wrote the names of some of his fellow Marines on the back of one photo. Here is a recent You Tube video displaying Reznikoff's collection:

Home page of University Archives:

http://www.universityarchives.com

Peter Fokes,

Toronto

At 2:20 -- an original Warren Report exhibit?! Isn't that Federal property? Isn't that supposed be in the National Archives?

User "windryder" on Flickr has posted some "photos my Parents took of Dealey plaza, Dallas, Texas on Nov. 24 1963, 2 days after the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy."

http://www.flickr.com/photos/19968675@N04/

Douglas Horne: "The "CLIFTON" Version of the Air Force One Tapes Yields Important Information" http://insidethearrb.livejournal.com/6483.html

Old man with the bag "tramp" manages to position himself so his face is hidden behind someone else in the majority of the photos, and in the photo where the photographer gets a clear shot of him, he distorts his face in an extreme expression. The other two may have been resigned to being photographed, but it looks like he wasn't.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/inside_my_teen_affair_with_jfk_FGF4aS7OdoQozP4tyySsmK#ixzz1lX1xaVNY

On one visit, Kennedy was embroiled in one of the most defining moments of his presidency, the Cuban Missile Crisis. For 13 days in October 1962, the United States and the Soviets were at a nuclear standoff.

Although historians have dissected Kennedy’s actions, none was privy to what he confided to Mimi.

“I’d rather my children red than dead,” he told her.

I don't buy it.

Even if those were JFK's thoughts and the general outlines of the affair are true, this bit sets off my B.S. meter. I doubt President would confide that sort of thing to someone he was apparently using just for physical sex, without enough emotional intimacy to kiss.

John H. Davies died from advanced Alzheimers last Sunday. He was the author of several books on John F. Kennedy and the Mafia. This includes Kennedys: Dynasty and Disaster (1983), Mafia Kingfish (1989), The Kennedy Contract: The Mafia Plot to Assassinate the President (1993), Mafia Dynasty: Rise and Fall of the Gambino Crime Family (1994), The Mafia Family (1994) and The Bouviers: From Waterloo to the Kennedys and Beyond (1995).

I read and enjoyed Mafia Kingfish - it is well worth the cost and time it takes to read it.

It gives a lot of insights into its topic - Carlos Marcello.

I didn't realize the author was so prolific on JFK related topics, although I think I may own a copy of The Kennedy Contract: The Mafia Plot to Assassinate the President (where it's languishing in my on deck circle of books to read).

My next book will be Mark Lane's new book.

As an aside, I miss Tim Gratz and his input.

I got to spend a little time with him in Key West several years ago.

I agree about Mafia Kingfish -- especially since used copies of the paperback edition can be purchased fairly cheaply online. Seems a good overview of Marcello's rise to power. The main distortion seemed to me simply leaving out details that showed many of the individuals tied to the Marcello organization also had ties to Intelligence.

By the way, the public libraries in Greater New Orleans have been unable to have any copies of the book on their shelves. Copies always had a way of promptly "disappearing".