Daniel Meyer

If you didn't know, the B&W is the original (or at least as close to the original as we have now); colorized versions are speculative. The Oswald in the doorway speculation goes back to the early days of the case. The Warren Commission dismissed it saying Lovelady identified himself in the photo; in "Rush to Judgement" Mark Lane says the report volumes have no record of Lovelady having been shown the Altgens photo much less identifying himself in it.

Sorry, I make no claim to independent discovery. I'd been lurking here a while before joining. I couldn't find the original post here to link (IIRC, someone had been wondering if it was Zapruder in the photo), but I thought the possible appearance of Holmes in the Cancellere photo should be added to this thread. Interesting. Has Holmes's secretary been identified? Ever interviewed?

May be Harry Holmes (any confirmation?) at bottom right of Cancellare photo #4, talking with Mary Moorman

Bill, the fact that a professional criminal was never caught shooting anyone does not prove that he didn't or couldn't. And although Braden was the one who got caught, we don't know who else might have been there with him. [...] Robert, I've studied Jim Braden more than any other person on the planet, and would still like to talk with him if he can be located alive. He never hit anybody, shot anybody, or was involved in any violent crimes whatsoever. I have a copy of his rap sheet. Con-men are proud of the fact that they don't resort to violence or even steal, but convince their marks to give them the money because of their own greed. [...] Bill, did you even read my response?? Your totally unsupported assertion about Braden is outrageous. You have no idea whether he was involved in violent crimes or not. You only know that he wasn't caught at it. By your reasoning Al Capone was also totally nonviolent and never hurt anyone And why do you ignore the possibility/likelihood that he was with others who DID have a violent track record? This is a very poor argument which originated with lone nutters years ago in the CompuServe forum. And it is just as bogus now as it was then. And no, you are certainly not obligated to read or view my analysis. But attacking analysis which you know nothing about is outrageously dishonest. I expect that from the Duncans and Von Peins of the world, but not from you. Robert Harris: I have grown to respect the intelligence, observational ability, and sincerity of both you and William Kelly. Mr. Kelly is not dismissing the possibility that you may know what you're talking about regarding a shooter in the Dal-Tex building. I politely suggest you not dismiss the possibility that Mr. Kelly may know what he's talking about regarding the the Modus operandi of Jim Braden. Thanks, D.M.

Unless one knows exactly what the "difficulties" he was alluding to in "too dificult to discuss", I can't judge whether the comment is "absurd" or "frightening".

Book "Rush to Judgement" by Mark Lane. IMO good material on Ruby well referenced.

Thanks for the explanation, no offense taken.

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Thanks for posting this. Pardon my ignorant question: what exactly is that shape behind the lead car? Yeah, like Lee says. It was quite a funny little 'skit' about it a couple of years ago. Ashton Gray or someone I think. edit add : yes, Robin, thanks again for your timely sharings. Lee Farley: Ah the flag on the Presidential limo. Thank you. I should have compared it to the other photos in the series; for some reason I was looking at the shape in relation to the lead car rather than the limo. John Dolva: A funny skit by Ashton Gray? Sorry, you lost me there. I don't know who that is or what the skit is. (Um, should I? I guess I'm back at ignorance again.)

Thanks for posting this. Pardon my ignorant question: what exactly is that shape behind the lead car?

Some earlier threads discussing Mr. Harry D. Holmes include: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6888 "Harry and the Z film" http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=4378&st=30 (Several posts on Holmes in the Oswald thread starting at the bottom of this page) (If I remember correctly, there were a couple photos of him posted on the forum a while back as well which I didn't find in a quick search.) Other links of interest: http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/history/the_deed/Sneed/Holmes.html Harry D. Holmes, U.S. Postal Inspector http://www.jfklancer.com/Holmes.html The Four Faces of Harry D Holmes by Ian Griggs

I only recall it was said or written in 1963, a researcher will be able to pin point it. A quick Google search only shows you quoting it on this forum in 2004 and 2005. I would be very interested to know the source for this striking quote and the context.

If you're talking about the Willis 02 posted by Martin Hinrichs above, it would have to be. I don't believe Jackie rode with JFK while wearing that now iconic pink outfit other than on the 22nd.

I'm resurrecting the Gordon Arnold thread, as he's being referred to currently in other discussions. Per the discussion 5 years ago, it looks like there was debate about his presence in Dealey Plaza, but some more recent posts in other threads seem to take it as a given. Has there been more recent independent confirmation of his story?

!! I wonder what President McCormack would have thought about that!

I'm unsure how to vote. I'm agnostic as to what William Reymond says in the YouTube clip. (I try to be vigorously agnostic about all individual accounts relating to this case unless I've seen multiple independent confirmations.) As to whether their is or was film showing more details of the assassination than are publically available now, I'd say yes. And multiple films, not just one. Orville Nix even admitted to Mark Lane that the film he got back from the Feds was not the same as it had been before. (Youtube copy of relevant portion of the "Rush to Judgement" film: )

Thanks, very informative. The 1965 Polk directory (as ususal for such directories and telephone books) was compiled the year before given date. The '65 Polk lists "Banister, Mary W (wid W Guy) h 7059 Argonne", and Guy Banister died in June of '64, suggesting the directory was updated at least to that month. P.S.: I wonder if the state passing stricter licensing standards was a contributing factor to his deciding to give up on the psychology biz.

As I've mentioned, Polk's New Orleans City Directory 1965 lists: Mr. Ferrie was a professional psychologist, or represented himself as one? According to the Louisiana State Board of Examiners of Psychologists website: http://www.lsbep.org/rules.htm What were Ferrie's credentials as a psychologist? What were the licensing requirements in Louisiana at the time? Was he "grandfathered" in? Could anyone set up practice by putting up a home made sign along the sidewalk reading "The Psychologist is In", like "Lucy" in the cartoon strip "Peanuts"?

There seems to be interest in Harry D. Holmes, but most of the info on him I've seen here seems scattered in threads on different people and subjects. I'd suggest he be added to the pinned/indexed names. (edited to add:) Harry D. Holmes thread: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16815

Speaking of Oswald remembering numbers (and people from the Indian Territory!), according to Harry D. Holmes' account of his interrogation of Oswald in "No More Silence" page 361:

Sorry, I don't know about the Indian Territory nor Kansas. I don't know if dyslexia might be relevant or not; I just mentioned it since I'd read the suggestion that Oswald might have been somewhat dyslexic. I suppose the wrong address on Magazine Street might have been due to 1)Oswald lying, 2)Oswald misremembering or being confused, or 3)Fritz writing down something other than what Oswald actually said. If I remember correctly, Oswald was at 4905 Magazine. I believe addresses of 4905, 4907, 4909, and 4911 would all be that same wooden house divided into apartments. 4706 Magazine, the address written down by Friz, would be two blocks uptown on the other side of the street, and is a non-existant address. 4902 - 06 Magazine are the side wall of a house that fronts on Valance Street. I wondered if it might be possible that the building was formerly divided into apartments, one with a side door Magazine Street address, back in Oswald's time. I looked in some 1960s City Directories, but found no indication of any 4706 Magazine Street.

New Orleans Public Service was the utility company which ran the city's electric, gas, and public transit lines from the 1920s to the 1980s. It was commonly called NOPSI, pronounced "Nop-sy", or sometimes when someone was annoyed with them (eg, late bus, high electric bill) "No Public Service". A renter would need to give NOPSI a deposit to get electric and gas turned on. I can't quite read the fine print on that image, but it looks to me like that might be a receipt for the deposit paid rather than a check getting the deposit back. If I remember correctly, one would need to tell NOPSI that you were ending service at an address and pay the last month's bill in full before redeeming the deposit. There was generally a bit of bureaucracy involved. Possibly Oswald intended to take that to the NOPSI office down on Baronne Street and get it taken care of next time he was back in New Orleans. "he was so supposedly poor" -- Yes, poor as the proverbial churchmouse -- a churchmouse with an interesting collection of specialized photographic equipment. And three wallets.

Some good background. Yes, the worship of the Confederacy among whites in that area was pronounced, though in Oswald's childhood I don't think it had reached the vehement near-hysteria it was to achieve in the '50s/early '60s when the segregationist status quo was actually seriously threatened. I have a few older friends near Oswald's generation who attended white segregated New Orleans public schools. One recalled that each school day began with the playing of "The Star Spangled Banner" and "Dixie"; he learned that "one of them is our national anthem". Another told me that history classes were so full of brave achievements of the Confederate troops that it wasn't until she was in high school that she figured out, with some shock, that the South had actually lost the Civil War! A couple of points, however: "Marguerite Claverie, came from what was considered to be an upper class Cajun family". Oh heavens no! The Cajuns or Arcadians are an historically francophone population that was based in Canada until expelled by the British, then settled in South West Louisiana. In the oil boom of the 1970s/1980s, many people from the Cajun parts of Louisiana moved to New Orleans, and others came into money as oil was discovered under swampland previously considered of little value other than for catching crawfish. Paul Prudhomme came to the city from outside Lafayette and proved to the surprise of many that Cajun food could be a delectable as what was served at the fine old Creole restaurants. Prior to then, however, earlier generations of New Orleanians tended to look on Cajuns as country bumpkins, and they were frequent target of caricatured humor, much like the "Hillbillies" of the Barney Google/Snuffy Smith and L'il Abner cartoons. Saying "an upper class Cajun family" would strike them as saying "the Hillbilly elite"! Cajuns are only one small subset of Louisianans of francophone heritage. Those who came to Louisiana either directly from France or via the French Caribbean are termed "Creole". In Louisiana, "Creole" people are simply everyone other than Native American Indians who were here before the Louisiana Purchase. Some old family wealthy white Creoles have long been resentful of the association of the term by people from elsewhere with mixed-race Louisianians, and often insist that only those of pure European ancestry are real "Creoles". However the term is documented back to the Colonial era as simply meaning "born in the colonies" regardless of race, so there are white Creoles, black Creoles, and mixed-race Creoles. P.G.T. Beauregard was most decidedly a white Creole. (BTW, he and Jefferson Davis had considerable animosity towards each other.) I don't know off hand about Marguerite Claverie Oswald's ancestry, but as I don't see any indication that she came to the city from the Arcadian Parishes, I know of no reason to think of her as "Cajun". Apparently the same goes for any ancestors from Avoylles Parish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoyelles_Parish,_Louisiana ---- I'm not sure how big an influence New Orleans was on Oswald. He was born in the Upper 9th Ward (on Alvar Street, across the street from the school Ruby Bridges was to integrate decades later) but left as a toddler, as far as I know making only two extended stays in the city later in life, in the 1950s and in 1963. In the few audio examples of him speaking I've heard, I don't hear a lot of New Orleans. He pronounces "ask" as "ax", which is a classic white "yat" New Orleans pronunciation, but I believe is also heard in the New York area. He pronounces New Orleans in the outsider's way "New Or-LEANS". According to Will Fritz's notes of interrogating Oswald, http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=29103&relPageId=4 he gives the wrong address for where he lived on Magazine Street in New Orleans. Maybe Oswald was lying, I don't know. However what struck me is that he gives an even address number when he lived on the odd side of the street. Especially in the older parts of town and older generations, I think New Orleanians tend to be aware of odd or even number addresses as essential in navigating directions, showing if one is going uptown or downtown, towards the river or towards the lake. Being in New Orleans only a short time as an adult, Oswald may not have picked up on this. Alternatively, I've seen suggestions that he was dyslexic.

FWIW: I only asked Layton about JFK/Garrison related things once. (I was somewhat curious, as I'd come across a copy of his Garrison investigation testimony on the internet.) A week or so before Mardi Gras 2000 (only a couple months before he died unexpectedly died), the two of us were drinking beers after a band rehearsal meeting. He was talking about his acting career and mentioned being in Oliver Stone's "JFK" film. I thought that was a good opening, so I asked (trying to be deliberately on the vague side to see what he said) "So, do you think Garrison had something, or was there anything there, or what?" Layton said that Garrison had nothing, was "full of sh*t" and "crazy". He then said he was writing a book on the subject, which would "clear some things up". I have no idea if he actually put anything substantial on paper, or if he just meant that the idea of writing a book was on his mind. I considered Layton a friend but I don't put a lot of weight on what he said. Layton was to my mind something of a raconteur. (He did right wing radio talk shows, which I didn't listen to as I don't much care for that sort of thing; some other folks who did might have more insights into his opinions.) Knowing I was into jazz history, he expounded to me his theory of the origins of New Orleans jazz, which was that it arose not from local black nor white musicians, but rather from the mixed race "Creole of Color" community. That doesn't sound like an unreasonable idea on the surface, but I started trying to discuss it with him (with me quoting historical documentation and interviews with musicians born as early as the 1870s), it quickly became clear to me that Layton had absolutely nothing to back up his notion beyond that it sounded plausible. That didn't keep him from continuing to try to argue his "theory" with me and others a number of other times. A mutual friend told me after Layton died that he repeatedly tried to get him to talk about David Ferrie, without success. I know he did talk at some length with at least a couple of researchers, and was interviewed for a PBS tv show.

See: http://www.history-matters.com/archive/con...ts_rockcomm.htm For dubious or questionable claims in Wikipedia given without specific citation, practice is to tag them with {{fact}} (or if you're a bit more experienced user, something like {{Citation needed|date=September 2010}}).