Mark Wengler

I looked online for this document no luck it is

R. H. Jevons noted that the Western 6.5 mm Mannlicher-

Carcano ammunition which was manufactured for the Marine Corps in 1954.

Just the one page document

I had own one for 13 years and it was set up just like Oswald's There was times when i cycled the round into the chamber i would get stuck like jammed in and not fully go into the chamber. out of those 13 years i have had hit 2 targets in 5.6 seconds. But had no pressure on me at the time.

Trying to catch up here been away for a while with depression again

I say no having members her that remember what JFK was like and what they felt when news broke on the assassination is an asset to all

I was born in Jan 64 what i knew about JFK came from my mother.

The 1st books i learn to read from was on JFK

I had one just like Oswald's and the rifle is a POS with it's two stage trigger.

I know some here will disagree with me on this point

Richard i am talking about someone you meet outside of the service.

Lets say person A is very trusting and person B becomes friends with person A and person A totally trust person B.

Over time person B has Person A run a bunch of errands which look on the surface normal.

But on the whole a trail would have been made leading to Person A while Person B gets away Scott free

Paul i hope you stay enjoy reading your post.

Sometimes i would say yes. If a person is very trusting and are friends with a certain person. This person over time could talk their friend into doing things. Like ask this person to take a package to a certain address or pickup one.

Over time there would be a trail leading to this trustimg person and his friend would have nothing leading to him at all.

Two films very alike came out around the same time The Killing of President Kennedy and Declassified The Plot To Kill President Kennedy

Bill O'Reilly said that he was on De Mohrenschildt's doorstep that day and actually heard the fatal shot did he talk to the police and is there a report on this???

This was not a false flag operation and for anyone to even suggested it was does a disgrace to the people that was injured and those killed.

How can you look at yourself in the mirror after saying thiings like that???

Jim i must disagree with you on Bush Sr. and the C.I.A

look at this

The CIA codename for the Bay of Pigs Invasion of April 1961 was "Operation Zapata

President Bush help to start Zapata Oil

Two of the ship involved was Huston where President Bush lived the other was named Barbara same name as his wife

There is the famous Bush CIA memo where it talks about a Mr George Bush.

Now which George bush was it talking about was a low level employee at the time of the assassination and would not have access to the Cuban population in Florida or the other George Bush furture President of the United States

Found a date Jan 14, 1967

Thanks for the info

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Greg here is the information that goes along with the photos at that site,see post 10.. thanks for posting photos i have had troubles of late copying such,pc problems what else is new, anyway..here is the info,many thanks...

This photograph appears on page 22. The caption reads,"From the same building where Oswald lay in ambush, a telescopic lens reconstructs an approximation of what the killer saw at the moment of tragedy". The photograph does appear to support the idea that a single shot could have hit both Kennedy and Texas Governor John Connally. However, the photograph, despite the caption, was not taken from the schoolbook depository. The distinctive brickwork of the schoolbook depository (see photo from pages 24-25) is clearly seen on the right hand side of the photograph, proving that the photograph was actually staged from the Daltex building. The traffic signs clearly in view indicate a much lower angle than would be seen from 6 floors up.

Compare the above view of the street with that seen in the next photo taken from just INSIDE the 6th floor window of the Texas Schoolbook Depository from which Oswald was supposed to have fired

Which book is being talked about?

Hope you get well quick Greg

My responses in BOLD.

Pat never ceases to amaze me. He seems to persist in the naive believe that politics and pressure

played no role in the case.

If you'd actually READ anything I've written beyond my responses to your nonsense, you'd know that I have devoted a great deal of effort at proving the autopsy doctors lied under pressure from Lyndon Johnson's "Justice Department."

Egad! Just consider what Nurse Bell said about Malcolm Perry having

been kept up all night while they tried to badger him into changing his mind about the neck wound

as a wound of entry! He ignores the best evidence--the earlier testimony--for less reliable evidence

WITH NO RATIONAL JUSTIFICATION.

What nonsense. It is you who reject the earliest statements--such as William Newman and Zapruder's statements on TV, and McClelland's initial report--in order to prop up your pet theory.

Using his methodology, we should simply accept the latest

version of the "lone gunman" theory because it is the most recent! His approach is dumbfounding!

I wonder who's view about this wound we should accept? The physician who was there or Pat Speer?

Why not NEITHER? Why not accept the full spectrum of statements of those who saw Kennedy's body for more than the few seconds it was seen by Crenshaw, or who at least recorded their thoughts before 25 years or so afterward?

I wonder who's view about this wound we should accept? The physician who was there or Pat Speer?

If you retain nothing else, Jim, from your time on this forum, let it be this: McClelland did not make that drawing and he disavowed its accuracy!

Pat that is the very drawing i sent Dr. McClelland and asked him this this what he saw that day and he replied yes.

Thanks Robin they look great

Len,

I've given up trying to stop people from being nasty to each other on this forum. I do, however, feel compelled to react to the truly over the top attacks, and Lee Farley's recent tirade against Jim Fetzer fell into that category.

No one can deny that Jim Fetzer stimulates discussion, and is a provocative figure in this community. He's the only guy who can lure Josiah Thompson onto forums. And he always seems to catch your interest.

The most questionable thing about Jim Fetzer's research is his reliance upon photo interpretation, and seeing alteration where many people don't. When he doesn't stray into those waters (which is not often enough, imho), I think his arguments and his logic are a lot more compelling.

Don you are so right about some people being nasty to one another.

When i got into this 30 years ago there was no Internet like we have today. If you wanted to correspond with another researcher you could do it by smail, telephone or in person. The same with an author. Today there are sites like this.

Here you find fellow researchers and authors where they can talk to one another. Yes they have their own theroy on what happen in Dallas. 99% of the time the exchange is friendly but that 1% gets nasty and mean. I just think we all should be happy this this forum is here where we can talk to one another without all the nastiness .

Around 1990 i wrote to Dr. McCLELLAND and included the drawing that shows a wound in the lower back of the head and he said that is what he saw that day

With NDAA the government can pick up a person for any reason and hold that person for as long as they want. No Lawyer, No Trial, No Judge. That sounds like what is going on with Robert Groden the people who do not want him there. Say now we have this NDAA lets use it on the people who are talking about all of these crazy conspiracies and scare them away from Dealey Plaza

Pat,

If I have understood the video correctly it suggests that John Connally was injured at the 223/4 moment. What is being said is that JFK was reacting to his wound by 207 and that Connally was reacting by 223/4.

The central point the program then makes is that between these points there is not enough time for a gunman to fire off two shots.

I agree with the notion that between 207 and 223/4 there is not enough time for two shots. But the weakness in this video is the idea that John Connally was wounded at Z 223/4.

That is not possible. A trajectory analysis for a wound tangential with the angle of the 5^th rib will not lead back to the TSBD. It leads to nowhere – well actually it leads up the upper part of Elm Street between the Daltex and the Records building.

I am not saying that John Connally could not be wounded at 223/4, it is just that the source of such a wound is not a legitimate recognizable source.

John Connally was wounded after 223/4.

Other than that, the program makes some valid points.

James.

James you are right on Any person can see that Gov Connally reaction around Z frame 223-224 and President Kennedy while he was behind the sine. So there was noway Oswald could get a shot off in that time frame and hit to targets. It is known that to cycle the rifle takes 2.3 seconds. that does not take into account accruing and zeroing in the target and pulling the trigger.

I speak from personal experience I had the very same type of rifle that Oswald had and i tried to replicate in the stated time the FBI gave Oswald in 13 years of owning that riffle i got 2 hits in the time alotted in those 13 years . But i was not under preasure that Oswald was. My scope was mislined just like Oswald's was. Also used the iron sites.

Some people know him more for the The Twining Memo

http://www.roswellfiles.com/FOIA/twining.htm

O'Reilly next book is on Jesus guess what it is being called Killing Jesus

Read this link: http://www.ctka.net/marler.html

1. FBI Exhibit 59, JFK's suit coat, measures the bullet hole in the jacket to be 5 3/8 inches below the top of the collar, and appears to be directly in the middle of the back.
   
2. FBI Exhibit 60, JFK's shirt, measures the bullet hole in the shirt is 5 3/4 from top of collar and about 3/4 inch from center.
   
3. Autopsy drawings of President Kennedy conducted by Dr. Humes, shows a bullet hole in JFK's back that would match the location of the hole in his clothing. Hole is in the middle of back approximately 6 inches down from the neck.
   

Thanks Robert