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Mark Wengler

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  1. New to the board yes but on debating the assassination i am in my 3rd decade. I just never seen anyone like Ray. Every person i have every debated was open to all sides as i think all should be on this board
  2. I personally believe that Oswald did not shoot President Kennedy. But to say that a thread is only for those who believe that Oswald is Innocent and those who believe that Oswald did shoot President Kennedy do not need to post here is very wrong. All threads should be open to all debate so all sides can have a sayso.
  3. No i wish i can. It surprises that it can't be found. You can buy the 1964 Warren Report that was on tv and the 4 part Warren Report fron 1967 is on line.
  4. I say this if two researchers are exchanging emails on JFK or what ever if neither one says this is private only between us two i see no reason to post the email. If i share info on JFK my email with another researcher they are more than free to share that info.
  5. What connection do you all think he truly had the Assassination? Also they way he was killed someone to an axe to his head and shot him in the heart. By killing him this way what could it signify? I mean just not killing him but the way it was done
  6. Mr, Lifton when i first read your book back in 82 that stuck with me how could Custer be carring the X-Rays of President Kennedy when he saw the party just ariving at the hospital. I remeber there was talk of a coppter lifting off right after Air Force One tough down that it could have carried the body which you had in your book. I also was wondering since the last update to your book have you found out who could have done any alterations to the body? Also will put out an new update to your book?
  7. This has been going on for a long time. Look back at Hoover and the F.B.I and also the C.I.A there is along history of misuse of this type of tech. A select few in government feel they know what is right. They don't need some judge telling them it is ok to do it. They and they along feel they have the moral obligation to do whats right for America in their own eyes. Sadly we saw this all to well in Hoover. With Hoover there is an old saying Abslute power corrupts Absolutely which did happen.
  8. Scott I hope that you stay a member enjoy reading your post they proved a lot of useful information
  9. Every step of the way during the Cuban Missile Crisis JFK made the right steps even when the U-2 was shot down. He know the fate of the world hinged on what he & Khrushchev did. That is why he gave Khrushchev a way to save face to remove the Missiles from Cuba.
  10. That is what gets to me Keeping documents secert on Lee Harvey Oswald whom the government says was a nutcase acting alone. Yet releasing such documents would cause harm to the national security! How can that be if he acted alone?
  11. This kind of relates to what is going on with the C.I.A not releasing the JFK records. Scotland Yard Still has records sealed from the Jack The Ripper Killings and that is 124 years ago. What does that say about how governments secorts.
  12. I think RFK would run in 68 like he did even if his brother was not assassinated.
  13. I have been interested in the Titanic since 1976. The story of the passengers are the compelling part of the ship. With the ship taking 2:40 to sink so many different stories taking place it's just ribbiting. I must add this if you want the real story Do Not Watch Titanic from 1997 Watch A Night To Remember 100% real The only thing wrong with this is it shows the ship sinking whole.
  14. I think i post this as a reply but i decided to start this as a topic We know that he brought a Mauser in to work a couple days before the 22. Then some of the first reports after the assassination said a mauser was found. I always found this to be a little odd. What does everyone think about this? Also was he ask to produce the Mauser just to test it to see if it had beed recently fired?
  15. James, That is a very good find, and could be useful if the photo itself could somehow be technologically enhanced without blurring the image, it could very well be someone up on the "Records Building" though I wouldn't know if Secret Service had anyone on the roof tops anywhere scoping out the perimeter of the grounds as they should have. Wasn't there a bullet found sometime in the 80's on top of the Records Building? I don't remember, but I thought I read that somewhere. I think that you should also change the heading of you title, "image on top of Records Building," it may draw in a larger crowd and someone who maybe photographically experience can decide for themselves. It was a rifle cartage a 30.06 i think it also looked it was fited with a sabot. From the looks it was up there for a long time. The thing is what would a high power rifle cartage be on the rifle of the records building?
  16. Thanks for the info Jim i will wait for the better book in Nov to come out.
  17. Me personally i would say no Len. You have a right to voice your opinion as everyone here does. These two people ( I use that word people loosely ) were beyond the reach of us getting them and bringing them to trail. Yes that law does worry me. But there are times when such things need to be done in that way. I hope that this is very far and few that things are done in such a matter. I would rather see such persons brought to trial and have their fate decided there.
  18. Al-Awlaki's name came up in a dozen terrorism plots in the U.S., UK, and Canada. The cases included suicide bombers in the 2005 London bombings, radical Islamic terrorists in the 2006 Toronto terrorism case, radical Islamic terrorists in the 2007 Fort Dix attack plot, the jihadist killer in the 2009 Little Rock military recruiting office shooting, and the 2010 Times Square bomber. In each case the suspects were devoted to al-Awlaki's message, which they listened to on laptops, audio clips, and CDs al-Awlaki had contacts with Nidal Malik Hasan the fort hood shooter here is what he said about Nidal Malik Hasan Nidal Hassan is a hero.... The U.S. is leading the war against terrorism, which in reality is a war against Islam..... Nidal opened fire on soldiers who were on their way to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. How can there be any dispute about the virtue of what he has done? In fact the only way a Muslim could Islamically justify serving as a soldier in the U.S. army is if his intention is to follow the footsteps of men like Nidal. The fact that fighting against the U.S. army is an Islamic duty today cannot be disputed. No scholar with a grain of Islamic knowledge can defy the clear cut proofs that Muslims today have the right—­rather the duty­—to fight against American tyranny. Nidal has killed soldiers who were about to be deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan in order to kill Muslims. The American Muslims who condemned his actions have committed treason against the Muslim Ummah and have fallen into hypocrisy.... May Allah grant our brother Nidal patience, perseverance, and steadfastness, and we ask Allah to accept from him his great heroic act. Ameen Al-Awlaki and Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the suspected al-Qaeda attempted bomber of Northwest Airlines Flight 253 on December 25, 2009, had contacts according to a number of sources. In January 2010, CNN reported that U.S. "security sources" said that there is concrete evidence that al-Awlaki was Abdulmutallab's recruiter and one of his trainers, and met with him prior to the attack.[150] In February 2010, al-Awlaki admitted in an interview published in al-Jazeera that he taught and corresponded with Abdulmutallab, but denied having ordered the attack.[151][152][153] Representative Pete Hoekstra, the senior Republican on the House Intelligence Committee, said officials in the Obama administration and officials with access to law enforcement information told him the suspect "had contact [with al-Awlaki In 2010, cartoonist Molly Norris at Seattle Weekly had to stop publishing, and at the suggestion of the FBI change her name, move, and go into hiding due to a Fatwā calling for her death issued by al-Awlaki, after Everybody Draw Mohammed Day The Guardian and The Daily Telegraph reported that U.S. and British counter-terrorism officials believe that al-Awlaki was behind the cargo plane PETN bombs that were sent from Yemen to Chicago in October 2010. When you have a person like Al-Awlaki calling for the dead of Americans like Molly Norris that is when he gave up his rights as a U.S Citizen Some of the terrorist attacks in which he help do or inspired others to do is a act of war. Basically he declared War on his own County and he did not care who was killed. What would you do? You have some American like Al-Awaki is hiding in some county calling for the death of his fellow Americans and training people to do that? Do say we will ketch you and try to you on trial. Al awail he is out there still training and spreading his words to kill his fellow Americans. no telling how many more will die before you can get your hands on him. Would you want to take that chance? Or with one missile strike he is no longer spreading his hate. You decide The Chance more will die or his death
  19. looks like i am in the minority on this. What President Obama did was right. al-Awlaki & Kahn threaten to do terrorist attacks on their fellow American Citizens. In that since they foreated that Citizenship and became targets for attack themselves. I knew i will get alot of feed back on this. I am ready for that.
  20. 1 Inspired us to go to the Moon 2 Limited Test Band Treaty 3 Peace Corps 4 School Integration 5 Kept us out of Nuclear War 6 got rid of a poll tax
  21. I wil look though the book again let me kow what you need to know
  22. Thanks for posting about Truly bringing a rifle to work. But one thing always stuck in my mind. Some of the reports of finding a rifle the same type that Truly brought to work. What does everyone think about this?
  23. Among the other items that went to Washington (some of them in violation of existing law at that time): The body of the murdered President The Limousine he was killed in that was part of the crime scene The Rifle that was the suspected murder weapon A boat load of first-hand witnesses to the assassination (Jackie, SS Agents, LBJ, and some other members of the motorcade...) but not the number one living witness who may have extremely valuable information, and who is in fear of his life in Dallas. I’m not so sure about that Federal authority trumps state authority and I’m pretty sure there was no legal restriction on witnesses leaving the state. PS In my previous post I said 5 men left the room it seem the correct number was 4, so 8 remained, Ruby, his lawyer, the SS agent and 5 men from the WC and staff. In 1963 it was not a federal crime in killing President Kennedy. It was only a state crime.
  24. [Here is something on US Army Colonel Michael Smollen The Boom of the Kidnapping 'Industry' Humberto Márquez* CARACAS, (IPS) - The kidnapping ''industry'' is booming in Latin America, where it operates hand in hand with the political violence in Colombia and the drug trade in Mexico. The number of kidnappings is also increasing in countries like Venezuela and Paraguay, where few cases used to be reported, while so-called ''express'' kidnappings have become all the rage in Argentina. The amount of ransom demanded and the procedures used vary greatly, with express kidnappers, for example, taking advantage of technological developments that have changed daily life, like automatic teller machines and cell-phones. In Colombia, the world leader in kidnappings, more than 18,000 people have been kidnapped since 1997, including 2,986 cases reported in 2002, 3,041 in 2001, and 334 in the first two months of 2003 alone. The victim is a child in one out of eight cases. But according to the Colombian non-governmental organisation Pais Libre (Free Country), the real number of cases is actually much larger, because only two out of three kidnappings are reported to the authorities. In Mexico, there is almost one victim per day: 320 kidnappings were reported in 2001, 358 in 2002, and 169 in the first six months of this year, according to statistics provided by the Employers' Confederation. In Venezuela, where around 50 people a year were kidnapped in the 1990s, the total climbed to 113 in 2001 and to 200 in 2002, according to the citizen group Venezuela Segura (Safe Venezuela). In Paraguay, where only six kidnappings were reported between 1973 and 2001, 10 cases occurred last year. The two most recent kidnappings took place on the same day, Jul. 31. One of the victims was able to escape after being held for a week, while one and a half million dollars in ransom were paid for the release of the victim in the other case. In Argentina, as in several other countries in Latin America, kidnapping began to be practiced by leftist insurgent groups in the 1960s and 1970s for propaganda and fund-raising purposes. But it virtually did not exist in the country as a common crime until 2000. Since then, the number of traditional kidnappings has gradually increased, carried out by groups that have the infrastructure and organisational capacity to track their targeted victims to discover the best time and place to stage the abduction, and to hold them indefinitely while demanding a high ransom. Four such cases were reported in 2000, five in 2001, and 10 in the first half of 2002. In late July, the former head of the anti-kidnapping police unit in Lomas de Zamora, a district that forms part of the greater Buenos Aires, was declared a fugitive from justice. He is under investigation as a suspected member of a gang of kidnappers. Two police officers implicated in the case are already behind bars, and three others are on the lam. Since the December 2001 economic and financial meltdown, when a freeze on bank deposits led many people to start stashing away their savings at home, Argentina has seen a boom in express kidnappings, in which the victims are usually seized as they are getting into their cars. The kidnappers drive around in the cars with the victims, who are forced to call their families on their cell-phones to ask for ransom. These brief kidnappings are generally committed by young men without experience in the world of crime, who demand relatively small sums of money. Argentina's Federal Police complex crimes division reported that as many as 10 express kidnappings a day were committed in 2002. There is ''a new criminal industry in Latin America, ushered in by subversive and drug trafficking groups, which turned this abominable practice into a mechanism of retaliation and financing,'' Fermín Mármol, a former police chief and former justice minister of Venezuela, told IPS. In Colombia, kidnapping is linked to the armed conflict that has plagued the country for half a century. ''In a conflict between irregular armed groups, the populace becomes the private hunting-grounds of all of the bands, and is seen as a political, military and economic objective by all of the contenders,'' said Alfredo Rangel, a former Colombian Defence Ministry adviser. But kidnappings are also committed in Colombia by common criminals and groups that have no political agenda, he added. From Colombia, where there is ''an overlapping between the guerrillas, paramilitaries and common crime, the modus operandi of kidnapping has been exported to all kinds of criminal groups. In the case of Venezuela, it has come in over the western border,'' Venezuelan analyst of security issues Marcos Tarre commented to IPS. Paraguayan prosecutor Pedro Ovelar, who took part in the investigation of the kidnapping of María de Debernardi (who was released in November 2001, after a ransom of one million dollars was paid), told IPS that the kidnapping was carried out to collect funds for leftist political causes, and that the perpetrators had been trained by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), the main rebel group. In Mexico, there have been gangs of kidnappers known for their cruel tactics, like the ''mochaorejas'' or ''ear-hackers'', who would cut off their victims' ears to prove that they were holding them. Express kidnappings are also common, as well as abductions by criminal groups aimed at settling scores, especially among drug traffickers. In Venezuela, another kind of brief kidnapping is on the rise, in which car thieves force drivers to withdraw money from their bank accounts before stealing their cars, said Tarre. The most famous kidnapping cases in Venezuela were politically motivated. In 1963, urban Communist guerrillas abducted and held acclaimed Argentine-Spanish footballer Alfredo Di Stefano in Caracas and held him for a few days, with the aim of drawing attention to their cause. The following year, U.S. Colonel Michael Smollen was kidnapped and held in Venezuela for several days. His kidnappers tried unsuccessfully to swap him for the life of a young Vietnamese man, Nguyen Van Troi, who was executed in Saigon -- today Ho Chi Minh City -- the capital of South Vietnam at the time, for attempting to assassinate a U.S. defence secretary. The question of politically-motivated kidnappings returned to the headlines in Venezuela in late July, when a political opposition leader, Sergio Calderón, was seized at his farm a few kms from the border with Colombia. No group has claimed responsibility for the kidnapping, but the opposition movement opposed to populist left-leaning President Hugo Chávez accuses a group called the Bolivarian Liberation Forces, which it claims is a branch of Colombia's FARC that was created to support the Venezuelan president. But Calderón may also have been a victim of one of the many groups that act in Colombia and Venezuela as intermediaries who kidnap people and ''sell'' them to other organisations, which then ask for ransom. In Colombia, the best-known political hostage currently being held by the guerrillas is former presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt, who was seized by the FARC on Feb. 23, 2002. The rebel group's hostages include 40 other politicians, 38 police officers and soldiers, and three U.S. citizens who were at the service of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). A heated debate on the possibility of an eventual swap of hostages for imprisoned guerrillas continues to rage in Colombia. Vice-President Francisco Santos, who himself was once a hostage of the insurgents, argues that ''none of the attempts at such swaps have worked out well.'' But Marleny Orjuela, the head of the Association of Relatives of Kidnapped Soldiers and Police, advocates a prisoners-for- hostages exchange. Those who propose a hard-line approach to combating kidnappings ''should in first place comprehend that social problems must be tackled through social policies rather than repressive policies,'' said former Venezuelan justice minister Mármol. Nevertheless, ''some laws, like Venezuela's, are still soft on such crimes. Kidnappers should be punished with long sentences, and they should not be eligible for privileges and benefits in the prison system,'' he argued. Tarre, meanwhile, said that ''given the violence and determination with which the kidnappers act, arresting them when they act is very difficult and dangerous. Prevention is preferable, by carrying out counterintelligence if the (potential) victim suspects he or she is being trailed or monitored.'' Venezuelan police commissioner Iván Simonovis said ''it is so obvious that this is a business, since 75 percent of the cases end in the payment of a ransom that is agreed on after bargaining back and forth. The kidnappers know they have a check payable to the bearer.'' But for the victim, ''kidnapping is worse than murder, because it is a death for which they wait in suspense,'' he added. * María Isabel García in Colombia, Felipe Jaime in México, Alejandro Sciscioli in Paraguay and Marcela Valente in Argentina contributed to this report.
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