Mark Wengler

Thanks for posting about Truly bringing a rifle to work. But one thing always stuck in my mind. Some of the reports of finding a rifle the same type that Truly brought to work. What does everyone think about this?

Among the other items that went to Washington (some of them in violation of existing law at that time): The body of the murdered President The Limousine he was killed in that was part of the crime scene The Rifle that was the suspected murder weapon A boat load of first-hand witnesses to the assassination (Jackie, SS Agents, LBJ, and some other members of the motorcade...) but not the number one living witness who may have extremely valuable information, and who is in fear of his life in Dallas. I’m not so sure about that Federal authority trumps state authority and I’m pretty sure there was no legal restriction on witnesses leaving the state. PS In my previous post I said 5 men left the room it seem the correct number was 4, so 8 remained, Ruby, his lawyer, the SS agent and 5 men from the WC and staff. In 1963 it was not a federal crime in killing President Kennedy. It was only a state crime.

[Here is something on US Army Colonel Michael Smollen The Boom of the Kidnapping 'Industry' Humberto Márquez* CARACAS, (IPS) - The kidnapping ''industry'' is booming in Latin America, where it operates hand in hand with the political violence in Colombia and the drug trade in Mexico. The number of kidnappings is also increasing in countries like Venezuela and Paraguay, where few cases used to be reported, while so-called ''express'' kidnappings have become all the rage in Argentina. The amount of ransom demanded and the procedures used vary greatly, with express kidnappers, for example, taking advantage of technological developments that have changed daily life, like automatic teller machines and cell-phones. In Colombia, the world leader in kidnappings, more than 18,000 people have been kidnapped since 1997, including 2,986 cases reported in 2002, 3,041 in 2001, and 334 in the first two months of 2003 alone. The victim is a child in one out of eight cases. But according to the Colombian non-governmental organisation Pais Libre (Free Country), the real number of cases is actually much larger, because only two out of three kidnappings are reported to the authorities. In Mexico, there is almost one victim per day: 320 kidnappings were reported in 2001, 358 in 2002, and 169 in the first six months of this year, according to statistics provided by the Employers' Confederation. In Venezuela, where around 50 people a year were kidnapped in the 1990s, the total climbed to 113 in 2001 and to 200 in 2002, according to the citizen group Venezuela Segura (Safe Venezuela). In Paraguay, where only six kidnappings were reported between 1973 and 2001, 10 cases occurred last year. The two most recent kidnappings took place on the same day, Jul. 31. One of the victims was able to escape after being held for a week, while one and a half million dollars in ransom were paid for the release of the victim in the other case. In Argentina, as in several other countries in Latin America, kidnapping began to be practiced by leftist insurgent groups in the 1960s and 1970s for propaganda and fund-raising purposes. But it virtually did not exist in the country as a common crime until 2000. Since then, the number of traditional kidnappings has gradually increased, carried out by groups that have the infrastructure and organisational capacity to track their targeted victims to discover the best time and place to stage the abduction, and to hold them indefinitely while demanding a high ransom. Four such cases were reported in 2000, five in 2001, and 10 in the first half of 2002. In late July, the former head of the anti-kidnapping police unit in Lomas de Zamora, a district that forms part of the greater Buenos Aires, was declared a fugitive from justice. He is under investigation as a suspected member of a gang of kidnappers. Two police officers implicated in the case are already behind bars, and three others are on the lam. Since the December 2001 economic and financial meltdown, when a freeze on bank deposits led many people to start stashing away their savings at home, Argentina has seen a boom in express kidnappings, in which the victims are usually seized as they are getting into their cars. The kidnappers drive around in the cars with the victims, who are forced to call their families on their cell-phones to ask for ransom. These brief kidnappings are generally committed by young men without experience in the world of crime, who demand relatively small sums of money. Argentina's Federal Police complex crimes division reported that as many as 10 express kidnappings a day were committed in 2002. There is ''a new criminal industry in Latin America, ushered in by subversive and drug trafficking groups, which turned this abominable practice into a mechanism of retaliation and financing,'' Fermín Mármol, a former police chief and former justice minister of Venezuela, told IPS. In Colombia, kidnapping is linked to the armed conflict that has plagued the country for half a century. ''In a conflict between irregular armed groups, the populace becomes the private hunting-grounds of all of the bands, and is seen as a political, military and economic objective by all of the contenders,'' said Alfredo Rangel, a former Colombian Defence Ministry adviser. But kidnappings are also committed in Colombia by common criminals and groups that have no political agenda, he added. From Colombia, where there is ''an overlapping between the guerrillas, paramilitaries and common crime, the modus operandi of kidnapping has been exported to all kinds of criminal groups. In the case of Venezuela, it has come in over the western border,'' Venezuelan analyst of security issues Marcos Tarre commented to IPS. Paraguayan prosecutor Pedro Ovelar, who took part in the investigation of the kidnapping of María de Debernardi (who was released in November 2001, after a ransom of one million dollars was paid), told IPS that the kidnapping was carried out to collect funds for leftist political causes, and that the perpetrators had been trained by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), the main rebel group. In Mexico, there have been gangs of kidnappers known for their cruel tactics, like the ''mochaorejas'' or ''ear-hackers'', who would cut off their victims' ears to prove that they were holding them. Express kidnappings are also common, as well as abductions by criminal groups aimed at settling scores, especially among drug traffickers. In Venezuela, another kind of brief kidnapping is on the rise, in which car thieves force drivers to withdraw money from their bank accounts before stealing their cars, said Tarre. The most famous kidnapping cases in Venezuela were politically motivated. In 1963, urban Communist guerrillas abducted and held acclaimed Argentine-Spanish footballer Alfredo Di Stefano in Caracas and held him for a few days, with the aim of drawing attention to their cause. The following year, U.S. Colonel Michael Smollen was kidnapped and held in Venezuela for several days. His kidnappers tried unsuccessfully to swap him for the life of a young Vietnamese man, Nguyen Van Troi, who was executed in Saigon -- today Ho Chi Minh City -- the capital of South Vietnam at the time, for attempting to assassinate a U.S. defence secretary. The question of politically-motivated kidnappings returned to the headlines in Venezuela in late July, when a political opposition leader, Sergio Calderón, was seized at his farm a few kms from the border with Colombia. No group has claimed responsibility for the kidnapping, but the opposition movement opposed to populist left-leaning President Hugo Chávez accuses a group called the Bolivarian Liberation Forces, which it claims is a branch of Colombia's FARC that was created to support the Venezuelan president. But Calderón may also have been a victim of one of the many groups that act in Colombia and Venezuela as intermediaries who kidnap people and ''sell'' them to other organisations, which then ask for ransom. In Colombia, the best-known political hostage currently being held by the guerrillas is former presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt, who was seized by the FARC on Feb. 23, 2002. The rebel group's hostages include 40 other politicians, 38 police officers and soldiers, and three U.S. citizens who were at the service of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). A heated debate on the possibility of an eventual swap of hostages for imprisoned guerrillas continues to rage in Colombia. Vice-President Francisco Santos, who himself was once a hostage of the insurgents, argues that ''none of the attempts at such swaps have worked out well.'' But Marleny Orjuela, the head of the Association of Relatives of Kidnapped Soldiers and Police, advocates a prisoners-for- hostages exchange. Those who propose a hard-line approach to combating kidnappings ''should in first place comprehend that social problems must be tackled through social policies rather than repressive policies,'' said former Venezuelan justice minister Mármol. Nevertheless, ''some laws, like Venezuela's, are still soft on such crimes. Kidnappers should be punished with long sentences, and they should not be eligible for privileges and benefits in the prison system,'' he argued. Tarre, meanwhile, said that ''given the violence and determination with which the kidnappers act, arresting them when they act is very difficult and dangerous. Prevention is preferable, by carrying out counterintelligence if the (potential) victim suspects he or she is being trailed or monitored.'' Venezuelan police commissioner Iván Simonovis said ''it is so obvious that this is a business, since 75 percent of the cases end in the payment of a ransom that is agreed on after bargaining back and forth. The kidnappers know they have a check payable to the bearer.'' But for the victim, ''kidnapping is worse than murder, because it is a death for which they wait in suspense,'' he added. * María Isabel García in Colombia, Felipe Jaime in México, Alejandro Sciscioli in Paraguay and Marcela Valente in Argentina contributed to this report.

Ask here did she ever sit down with a sketch artist to draw a picture of the person who took her camera. Also ask her what did her boyfriend think where the shots came from.

Is anyone else having trouble with the jfkassassinationforum or jfkforum?

In June 1964, Chief Justice Earl Warren, then-Representative Gerald R. Ford of Michigan, and other commission members went to Dallas to see Ruby. Ruby asked Warren several times to take him to Washington D.C., saying "my life is in danger here" and that he wanted an opportunity to make additional statements.[56] He added: "I want to tell the truth, and I can't tell it here. Also here is a link to a video of Ruby talking about him being able to talk

There would be need to do that. Just keep the American Forces out of the area.

This is a delicate situation going on with Iran right now. Now with Russia & China getting involved. Tell Israel there could be consequences if they atack Iran. We do not need to get in another conflict in the middle east. If Russia or China gets into the mess that could lead down a road that NO ONE WANTS!!!!!

Jim i was wondering if you book is still available? As i am trying to rebuild my collection.

For many years i have wondered that What would it have cost to bring Ruby to Washington like what Gil Jesus post? When they brought so many others there. If you want to see Ruby make that statement it is on line or if you have the tapes The Killing Of President Kennedy or Declassified The Plot To Kill President Kennedy

Santorum is trying to draw christian wright to his side. Showing that he is better than Rommey and the other running for President. It sounds like he would bring his religious to play if he would win the election.

I was thinking about the photo that shows Oswald's belonging with the photo of walker's backyard. If a person had the camera original negative with today's tek could they enhance the photo to show the car's plate to be able to read it.

Thanks for the info on that.

There is one thing that has always puzzled me The photo showing the back yard of the Walker home shows the plate on the car with a hole in it. Yet there is also a photo of Oswald's belongings it shows the photo of that Oswald took and it is hole is not there. Does anyone know who could have put the hole there removeing the plate number?

Does anyone know what Martin Dugard's experienced is in writing about what happened in Dallas? Has any of the researchers that are members or known to members been contacted by him?

Oh boy!!! What slant is he going to put on the assassination?

When people are told that the shot that killed RFK was from 1in behind his head. That Sirhan was in front of RFK. their response is that Sirhan moved behind RFK and shot him without anyone noticing him doing it.

might add; Carnahan defeated Ashcroft when he, Carnahan, was DEAD! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ah yes, thanks david for that reminder, the good people of Missouri ,when faced with the choise, A dead man, or Ashcroft, made the correct call, dead man every time Pity shrub did'nt get the message,God must have been out that day. Being from Missouri i can say the people knew who to vote for .

Thanks for posting that. He does look like Oswald

H.L. Hunt was an oil tycoon, by 1957 his estimated fortune was approximately $400 to $700 million dollars. Hunts support of Barry Goldwater for the Republican party in 1964 led to smarting under that rebuff and disgusted with Johnson's liberal policies after assuming the presidency in 1963. Hunt supported Eisenhower in 1956, however, in 1960 pushed hard for the nomination of LBJ and because LBJ agreed to become JFK running mate Hunt contributed some $100,000 to Kennedy's administration. Hunt who is a successful business man out of Dallas TX lived in a relatively modest home in Dallas. Hunt was also often overheard while introducing himself to strangers by saying. "Hello, I am H.L. Hunt, the worlds richest man"... I do beleive that had Oswald contact H.L.Hunt rather then E.H. Hunt the writings of that letter would have reflected so. Although, LHO was living in Dallas after moving from New Orleans, LHO also visited Miami, and because there is no hard facts of LHO visiting Miami there has been reported sightings of Oswald who may or may not have had an encounter with Frank Sturgis. There also seems to be a tape of LHO hiding his face when the filming took place sometime in late 1962 or early part of 1963 in the South Florida Everglades, those who were present in that film were Marita Lorenz, Frank Sturgis and Frank Bender aka Gerry Doller. Howard Hunts early ties to the 1954 Guatemalan coup dubbed "Operation PBSUCCESS", which was also approved by president Eisenhower, many of the same players participated in their very own domestic coup called "Dealey Plaza". Because of Howard Hunts ties to Nixon's anti-Castro underworld and his assassins towards unfriendly foreign leaders, only leads me to beleive that Hunts roll as a "bench warmer" was in fact true. Hunts stayed in South Florida which allowed him to under go a much larger operation and covertly work with those in the organization while keeping it totally secret. The birth of setting up Oswald was well on its way. Hunt would latter bribe Nixon for two million dollars for hush money? In the meantime Nixon tries to blackmail CIA chief Richard Helms over the secrets that Hunt might blab regarding CIA's links to "the Bay of Pigs After all, Nixon said, "Of course, this Hunt, You open that scab, that will uncover a lot of things." "In fact, I was puzzled when he [Nixon] told me, 'Tell Ehrlichman this whole group of Cubans [Watergate burglars] is tied to the Bay of Pigs.' After a pause I said, 'The Bay of Pigs? What does that have to do with this [the Watergate burglary]?' But Nixon merely said, 'Ehrlichman will know what I mean,' and dropped the subject." Later in his book, Haldeman appears to answer his own question when he says, "It seems that in all of those Nixon references to the Bay of Pigs, he was actually referring to the Kennedy assassination." In short to answer your question as to whether Oswald was referring to H.L. Hunt or E.H. Hunt. I do beleive he was referring to the latter. http://mtracy9.tripod.com/kennedy_nixon.htm http://ajweberman.com/tape.htm Do you access to the tape of LHO hiding his face when the filming took place sometime in late 1962 or early part of 1963 in the South Florida Everglades, those who were present in that film were Marita Lorenz, Frank Sturgis and Frank Bender aka Gerry Doller.

Here is an article that is along the same lines. December 17, 1991|By Tim Weiner | Tim Weiner,Knight-Ridder News Service WASHINGTON -- A file designated WCD-9944-X-1 lies under lock and key on the sixth floor of the National Archives. Inside the file, faded and frail with age, is the oldest classified document in the United States. Subject: troop movements in Europe. Date: April 15, 1917 -- nine days after the United States entered World War I. Classification: Confidential The document stays secret because the U.S. Army says releasing it would damage national security. Archives are opening and secret documents are being released in nations once locked behind the Iron Curtain. Lies are being erased and blank spaces are being filled in their official histories. Yet in Washington, millions of documents remain classified for no clear reason, according to historians, researchers and government officials. The secrecy that keeps the seal on file WCD-9944-X-1 "signifies the level of absurdity that the classification system has reached," said Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists, who discovered the document's existence last month. No one knows how many classified documents there are in the United States. "A mountain . . . tens of millions or hundreds of millions or billions," says Steven Garfinkle, whose job as head of the U.S. Information Security Oversight Office is to track the government's secrecy system. No one knows how to go about reading, declassifying and releasing all those documents. "We've got to do something or that mountain's going to build up more," Mr. Garfinkle said. "What we going do? Wave a magic wand and declassify it? Burn it?" File WCD-9944-X-1 is one of "several documents that date back to the World War I era that remain classified," Mr. Garfinkle said. "Obviously it seems absurd on the surface." Michael Knapp, an archivist at the military reference branch of the National Archives, is one of the few people to have seen the document since 1917. He said he uncovered it in response to Mr. Aftergood's Freedom of Information Act request for "the oldest military document that we have that is still classified." Mr. Knapp said the document discusses "troop movements in Europe" during the first days of World War I. He said he could not discuss its title, its length or its language, since it is classified "Confidential." That secrecy classification remained in place after the Army last reviewed the document in December 1976. Under a 1981 presidential order tightening security strictures, a document may be classified "Confidential" if its disclosure would damage national security. The secrecy system isn't changing fast enough for historians who want access to 20Th-century documents before the century ends. Secrecy has caused huge deletions in the official compilation of foreign policy documents, "The Foreign Relations of the United States." The multi volume series, published since 1861, omits crucial chapters. Do this is B.S how can troupe moments from WW1 effect National Security today? Also why is chapters omitted from The Foreign Relations of the United States." The multi volume series, published since 1861 what are they hiding?

I was wondering about the letter Oswald wrote to a Mr Hunt. Which Hunt do you think was writing to? E.Howard or H.L?

He is a nut!! This guy thinks FEMA has a secret network of camps to hold people. 9/11 was an iside job.

Oh boy if you believe that article that means that half of the people on this board are nuts. Then we must be sent to nearest Laughing Academy. Also if you add all the other people in America who believe in some sort of conspiracy there would more people in the Laughing Academy than what would be walking around the streets of America.

When did he say that? He made no mention of it during his WC testimony Not according to his WC testimony, do you think he perjured himself? On that i have no idea if he did or did not. Just watching it “take off and land” would not let him know the plane’s maximum altitiude. Maybe Epstein in his notes says who told him that. So all we have is a vague paraphrasing of a single source, did Epstein identify the officer? He didn't even say explicitly that he followed to or from its maximum altitude. The radio calls wouldn't tell anyone much the pilots only used the radio when they were close to take off and landing. I was able to read part of the page on Google Books, Epstein made one statement that was both false and misleading: “…the U-2s, which used Atsugi as one of their two main bases, were providing no less than 90 percent of all hard information on Soviet military, ballistic and nuclear bomb activities.” The reality was that there were three units at the time and the Japanese was seems to have been the least active. Detachment A was based in West Germany and flew the lion share of Russian and East European over flights. Detachment B was originally based in Turkey then moved to Pakistan, they flew over the Middle East and after they relocated “flew deep into the Soviet Union nine times”. There only seems to have been one Russian over flight of Atsugi (Detachment C) the rest were over China and other East Asian countries. http://www.blackbirds.net/u2/u2overflights.html http://www.coldwar.org/articles/50s/early_u2.asp