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    Message From David Von Pein

    in JFK Assassination Debate

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    32 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

    He told the world he was inside the building "at the time" of the shooting, Pat.

     

    He was, Dave.

    Depends on what you call inside the building.

    Is being at the the top of the steps considered to be inside the building?Or do you consider, that he was outside the building? Was he looking OUT of the building from the top of the steps or not?

     

    Semantics is such great fun. 

    For Pat Speer: JFK Secret Service Agent Sam Kinney's neighbor's (Gary Loucks) revelations

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    2 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

     

    Vince. Here's what I've had on my website for 8 years or so. You may want to add some of these to your list.

    • An 11-22-63 UPI article, most likely reflecting the words of UPI’s man-on-the-scene Merriman Smith, reported on this clean-up, stating: “Outside the hospital, blood was cleaned from the limousine.”

    • An 11-23-63 New York Times story by Tom Wicker similarly reported, “A bucket of water stood by the car, suggesting that the back seat had been scrubbed out.” (In the 1965 anthology John Fitzgerald Kennedy...As We Remember Him, and then again in his 1978 book On Press, Wicker explained just why this bucket suggested as much and specified that it wasn't just a bucket of water, but “a bucket of bloody water.”)

    • An article on the assassination by Hugh Sidey in the 12-20-63 issue of Time Magazine confirmed these accounts, and claimed he'd witnessed: “A young man, I assume he was a Secret Service man, with a sponge and a bucket of red water, and he was trying to wipe up the blood and what looked like flakes of flesh and brains in the back seat.” (Sidey repeated this allegation in an 11-28-88 Time article. He wrote: "The presidential limousine rested at Parkland Hospital. A grim young man was washing away the blood and flesh that had splattered the leather upholstery...The young man in his neat dark suit, sleeves pushed up, swabbed the seats. They glistened in their miserable wetness. Beside the car was a bucket with brownish red water. If any doubt remained about this calamity, it was swept away in one glance at that bucket. So simple. so hideous." )

    • And as if that weren't enough, Newsweek’s Charles Roberts also confirmed these accounts. In his 1967 defense of the Warren Report, modestly entitled The Truth About The Assassination, Roberts said simply that on 11-22-63 he saw two Secret Service men "starting to put the fabric top" on the President's limo, and thought "Why now?" Now that was vague, but Roberts would later expand on this. In an interview conducted for Robert MacNeil's 1988 book The Way we Were, Roberts admitted that he'd actually seen these agents “mop up the back seat” before putting on the fabric top, and that he'd thought it “ironic” that one of the Secret Service agents waved him aside and told him “you can’t look,” when "this wall of protection...of course could do no good."

    • And then, for good measure, there's Sid Davis, a reporter for Westinghouse Radio. On 11-9-13, in a taped interview with The Newseum, Davis shared that when he arrived at Parkland Hospital ”'I could see the Secret Service agents cleaning up the back of the limousine. I went to take a look and a friend of mine, Hugh Sidey of Time Magazine, said 'Don’t look, it’s too horrible.'"

    Thus, five respected newsmen, all verified to have been at Parkland Hospital on 11-22-63, claimed they saw either someone cleaning blood from the limo, or the bloody bucket used in this clean-up.

     

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    Re-creating the Zapruder film

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    3 hours ago, Karl Kinaski said:

     

    @David Lifton

    So you say Samoluk was not playing the fool by pretending he can't tell a cam with batteries from a cam you have to wind up with a wind up key but a genuine fool?
    I don't believe it.
    In the first place: Whoever gave Samulok the Zapruder Type cam why did he not told Samoluk: "That is a type of cam you have to wind up" and why  didn't they provide Samoluk  with the wind up key to wind up that cam?

     

    Karl, the camera didn't need a separate key to wind it up. It had a built in lever at the side of it that you used to wind it up.

    Henry Wade

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    5 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

    I am very thankful for your fiendship through the years and appreciate the leading role you are playing in the present Administration, (LOL understandable here, I did) and hope we are fortunate enough someday to have you as our President.

    Rather apt that friendship was mis-spelled as "FIENDSHIP">

    The Zfilm, The copies and The Geraldo

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Ray Mitcham

    On 4/6/2022 at 5:28 PM, John Butler said:

    It is a matter of perspective.

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    Edited Wednesday at 05:36 PM by John Butler

    In your opinion, in the photo, John, does the "rear" windscreen slope forward (i.e. the top  of the windscreen faces South)or backward (i.e. the top of the windscreen faces North) ?

     

     

    The Zfilm, The copies and The Geraldo

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Ray Mitcham

    Re the Johnson Press car in frame 157, there is nothing wrong with the direction, it is travelling, i.e. North on Houston. Perhaps John can point out why the "triangular" shape of the rear roof support back has disappeared.

    Same with 158/160.

     

    All we can see is the backward slope of the windscreen. 

     

    The Zfilm, The copies and The Geraldo

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    16 hours ago, John Butler said:

    OBTW, I asked Ray what was a "chaser".  To me a chaser is a shot of whiskey after a beer, but thought it might be some Brit slang.  It's a shame he didn't answer.

    Sorry, John must have missed your post. A chaser is someone who chases after another poster who won't admit he(or she) is wrong. For example, remember the case of the post shadows?(I'm still waiting for an apology by the way.) You seemed to think I was picking on you, particularly, but I can't let incorrect posts go by without saying something.

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