Chris Bennett

Douglas, this photo does not show up for me. Would you mind posting it again for those who missed it?

Chris

On 5/4/2021 at 8:44 AM, Chris Barnard said:

I wonder if some of the still classified papers being held are relating to a plot to kill Castro with a very similar assassin setup that killed JFK. A cross triangulation and a fall guy. 
Are there any other foreign assassinations that mirror this by the military/CIA ? 

Hi Chris, you might check out the work of William Kelly, Larry Hancock and others in tracking down the Pathfinder operations, which involved shooting Castro with a high powered rifle as he drove through a slowed down section in an open jeep. One would presume they had a patsy handy to take the fall. 
http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2018/10/part-ii-pathfinder-at-npic-and-dealey.html
https://larryhancock.wordpress.com/2013/11/19/corroboration/

More recently the has been good research on The Black Nine, an extremely secret Pathfinder sniper team that “disappeared” in mid to late 1963, ostensibly infiltrated into Cuba to assassinate Castro. But some think this sniper team was purposefully turned on JFK instead. 
https://larryhancock.wordpress.com/2019/04/20/wheaton-names-update/

Hope this helps,

Chris

On 4/24/2020 at 9:45 AM, David Josephs said:

That woulda been me... lol

 

I'm going to need to focus on these Claverie/Winfrey/Voitier relationships and do some thinking on it....  I'll get back to y'all on that...

In the mean time....

I also have this 1967 letter from a MISS MARGARET M OSWALD... referring to Garrison and is to CDR ERLICHER, her boss.
You mention "M" coming from MOORE... and I've only seen her sign with a "C" middle initial. and she usually spells her name MARGUERITE, not Margaret.

That's her driver's license signature on top.  I'm wondering if Miss M M Oswald is not REAL MARGE...???

"Nancy Moore Winfrey married Edward Louis Sweeney on June 10, 1963.  Nannie or Nancy Winfrey is Nancy M. Sweeney.  The middle name Moore comes from her father Andrew Jackson Winfrey.  Moore was his mother’s name which was Nanny Moore Fawbush"

You think this is the same LEON VOITIER?  yet it says 1868...  

 

 

On 4/24/2020 at 9:45 AM, David Josephs said:

 

David, I thought that was a strange letter for someone to be writing unless they really were in trouble. Seems like she either worked for him or was close in some way.

So I did some research and found a completed eBay auction with a photo of Colonel Joseph C. Ehrlicher.

And turns out he was wing commander for the Civil Air Patrol in New Orleans. How wild is that?

Any other research in Ehrlicher or M. M. Oswald?

Best,

Chris

Photo of Colonel Ehrlicher with the Civil Air Patrol of New Orleans

Larry, who do you consider to be the more solid witnesses to figures behind the windows?

Best, 
Chris

On 5/11/2020 at 3:22 PM, Mark Tyler said:

Thanks Daniel, I think you are right.  Here are a couple of photos of the 1964 Mercury Colony Park Station Wagon:

The license plate, lights, corners above the lights, and the small circular area beneath the rear window seem to match.  This also looks to be a match for the VIP car in the motorcade as seen in the Willis 6 photo:

Credit to Todd Wayne Vaughan's motorcade reference for confirming this car model:

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg Subject Index Files/M Disk/Motorcade Route/Item 15.pdf

Now we just need to find a few videos of this car model signalling to turn.  I've not found any yet, but if any reader does find a video please share the link so we can try and confirm the Wiegman film frame rate!

If I remember correctly, wasn’t the car in this last photo registered to Mary Ferrell and her husband? They were driving through Dealey Plaza that day. Did they drive all the way to the hospital? 

5 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

It sort of reminds me of talking with Tom Alyea,  he said that Studebaker was so incompetent that a lot of the photos taken in the TSBD, especially in the snipers nest had to be done on Saturday but they still labeled them with a Friday date...makes  you think.  Tom was pretty convincing.

Larry, did Tom offer any opinions about the rifle or rifles found that day when he was filming? Or what the officers who found and viewed them said in front of him?

Chris

11 hours ago, David Josephs said:

Westbrook's explanation.... on the Suggested Lead

 

Do you all think Westbrook was trying to pull a fast one by changing 107 to 207, which had an alibi attached to it?

On 7/15/2012 at 6:23 PM, Duke Lane said:

This in reply from another thread (see link) about "Oswald and Bus 1213" elsewhere. This deserves a thread of its own, which I'll open with my last post in the other thread:

Sulphur Springs is still a relatively small town, just more than 15,000 residents as of 2010 and presumably quite a bit fewer 50 years ago. While I think the above quite coincidental and maybe even interesting, I'm not certain I find it suspicious inasmuch as (1) there's no reason to believe that because Jack Ruby (or anyone else) knew both Dallas cops and someone who lived in the town, that the person he knew must also have known the local used car dealer, or (2) that the patrol car was "sheep dipped" through a small town (where "everyone knew everybody else" and, presumably, their business) some 80 miles or so away.

More to the point is (3), that the car was simply spirited away and stored in April 1963 for some unknown future use that turned out to involve the shooting of the President whom nobody even knew was coming anywhere at all nearby at that time. Did someone have decommissioned Houston and Austin and Fort Worth cars standing by "just in case" as well?

It seems (4) a particularly expensive and inconvenient - not to mention incriminating - means to involve some sort of "decoy car." Which, after all, would be cheaper: buying a decommissioned police car (would - and did - DPD sell their cars with all markings intact?) and "sitting" on it for months, or simply painting a black car like it to have white doors and black "Dallas Police" lettering and LOOK like a police car? And if something unexpected happened - say, it was in an accident - would any conspirator (particularly one employed by the city who sold the vehicle) want the car to be traceable to DPD through its VIN? Better all around to use a fake patrol car than a decommissioned legitimate one, don't you think?

So, while I concede that "It would not require a great deal of intelligence to speculate" about this, it would take a LOT more information - and much better logic - to actually create a case that it was the same car and that the transaction involving Sulphur Springs was both nefarious and involved the connections drawn above.

But that speculation is not even the largest issue here, which is this:

There was no investigation regarding car #107 other than the response indicated above from Chief Batchelor in August 1964, preserved in CE 2045, which seems to be (particularly given the late date) an effort to clean up some loose ends. Earlene Roberts' testimony seems to have created it (6H443-444):

 

Mr. Ball. Did a police car pass the house there and honked?

 

Mrs. Roberts. Yes.

 

Mr. Ball. When was that?

 

Mrs. Roberts. He came in the house.

 

Mr. Ball. When he came in the house?

 

Mrs. Roberts. When he came in the house and went to his room, you know how the sidewalk runs?

 

Mr. Ball. Yes.

 

Mrs. ROBERTS. Right direct in front of that door-there was a police car stopped and honked. I had worked for some policemen and sometimes they come by and tell me something that maybe their wives would want me to know, and I thought it was them, and I just glanced out and saw the number, and I said, "Oh, that's not their car," for I knew their car.

 

Mr. Ball. You mean, it was not the car of the policemen you knew?

 

Mrs. ROBERTS.

It wasn't the police car I knew, because their number was 170 and it wasn't 170 and I ignored it.

 

Mr. Ball. And who was in the car?

 

Mrs. ROBERTS. I don't know--

I didn't pay any attention to it after I noticed it wasn't them-I didn't.

 

...

 

Mr. Ball. Had that police car ever stopped there before ?

 

Mrs. Roberts. I don't know--I don't remember ever seeing it.

 

Mr. Ball. Have you ever seen it since?

 

Mrs. Roberts. No--I didn't pay that much attention--

I just saw it wasn't the police car that I knew and had worked for so, I forgot about it. I seen it at the time, but I don't remember now what it was.

 

Mr. Ball. Did you report the number of the car to anyone?

 

Mrs. ROBERTS. I think I did---I'm not sure, because I--at that particular time I remembered it.

 

Mr. Ball.

You remembered the number of the car?

 

Mrs. ROBERTS.

I think it was--106, it seems to me like it was 106, but I do know what theirs was--it was 170 and it wasn't their car

.

 

Mr. Ball. It was not 170?

 

Mrs. Roberts. The people I worked for was 170.

 

Mr. BALL. Did you report that number to anyone, did you report this incident to anyone?

 

Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes, I told the FBI and the Secret Service both when they was out there.

 

Mr. Ball. And did you tell them the number of the car?

 

Mrs. ROBERTS. I'm not sure--I believe I did--I'm not sure. I think I did because there was so much happened then until my brains was in a whirl.

 

Mr. Ball.

On the 29th of November, Special Agents Will Griffin and James Kennedy of the Federal Bureau of Investigation interviewed you and you told them that "after Oswald had entered his room about 1 p.m. on November 22, 1963, you looked out the front window and saw police car No. 207?

 

Mrs. Roberts.

No. 107.

 

Mr. Ball.

Is that the number?

 

Mrs. ROBERTS.

Yes--I remembered it. I don't know where I got that 106---207. Anyway, I knew it wasn't 170.

 

Mr. Ball. And you say that there were two uniformed policemen in the car?

 

Mrs. Roberts. Yes, and it was in a black car. It wasn't an accident squad car at all.

 

Mr. Ball. Were there two uniformed policemen in the car?

 

Mrs. Roberts. Oh, yes.

 

Mr. Ball. And one of the officers sounded the born?

 

Mrs. Roberts. Just kind of a "tit-tit"--twice.

 

Mr. BALL. And then drove on to Beckley toward Zangs Boulevard, is that right?

 

Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes. I thought there was a number, but I couldn't remember it but I did know the number of their car--I could tell that. I want you to understand that I have been put through the third degree and it's hard to remember.

Car #170 was what Roberts was focused on; the rest, after her being subjected to "the third degree" and her "brains was in a whirl," is superfluous, not to mention both confused and confusing.

While I haven't seen the interview report by SAs Griffin and Kennedy of their Roberts interview, CD 205 page 532 is an FBI report dated early in the investigation (Dec 12, 1963), stating that Roberts had reportedly said she'd seen car #207, not #107. Subsequent investigation by DPD focused on car #207, the initial result appearing in this FBI report, and more details of it appearing in an FBI report (which seems to me to have been a regurgitation of a DPD report over Batchelor's signature) that was part of CE 2645 (CD 1108) found at 25H914.

So, all of this said, the looming issue here is not the disposition of a patrol car #107, but rather why, since Earlene Roberts only mentioned it once in her testimony, anyone is even concerned about the disposition of this unlikely vehicle.

(Has anybody wondered why such a relatively new car was sold, by the way? A 1962 model sold in April 1963? It couldn't have been more than 18 months old, and then only if it was one of the earliest 1962 models brought out in late 1961. A possibility that it was wrecked? There is simply no comment and no question about it, and the "fact" that it could have been brought back to Dallas months after its sale - months before anyone knew JFK was coming to Texas - is taken at face value, with no critical examination at all, and as if #107 was "the" vehicle reported by Earlene Roberts, which it clearly was not.)

It’s worth noting here that Clarence A. Rector was actually interviewee by the Warren Commission because of his connection to Jack Ruby.

Clarence stated that he had an automobile transportation business. And that he had recently been in Cuba. 

Just a few more data points for this mysterious Car 107. 

-Chris

On 10/20/2013 at 3:57 AM, James Richards said:

And another. Acre had been misidentified in the past as Bernard Barker.

Wow, Remegio Arce really does bear a string resemblance to Bernard Barker. Is it possible that Seymour Weitzman actually saw Arce on the grassy knoll instead of Barker, who he later identified?

Chris

20 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Then Captain Westbrook came in and gave the order to get him out of here as fast as you can and don't let anybody see him, and he was rushed out of the theatre.

I always wondered why Westbrook said this. Given that we now know Westbrook was at best up to some shady things that day (the wallet, et al), is it possible he gave this order as the scene commander to cover up for the arrest of a second person who was brought out back to the alley and who might have looked similar to Oswald?

Chris

Thanks, DVP.

I've watched dozens of hours of material that you have collected. Always appreciated. 

Chris

The canceled Esquire article is good, but the transcripts make for even better reading.

For instance, I had not known that Escalante claimed Cubela told him in 1978 that he met David Morales in Paris in Sept of 63.

I have to say it's a good read so far. I was not aware that GDM had been sent to Yugoslavia in 1957 by a CIA front company.

Nice job for a guy whose FBI file is full of Internal Security reports of him being a Communist.

And why is there a black bar at the bottom of the frames only during the B&W section? I wish I could see the whole version of this to compare.

David, do you have a link to which version you took this gif from?

Best,

Chris

Interesting review. I'd be pretty curious to read James D's take on this book.

Thanks, Chris.

I did find a place called Film Rescue International that will still develop Kodachrome. But since the chemical process was kept secret when Kodak stopped using it, they can only develop in B&W.

http://www.filmrescue.com/old-movie-film-developing/

-Chris

Chris, I'm sure you've mentioned this in an earlier post somewhere. But is it your opinion that Zapruder shot in slow motion (48 FB's) and that that film was altered at Hawkeye Works to bring it down to 18.3 fps?

Do you also feel that they made splices in the film such as the turn? And that they cropped the field of view at the bottom? Just wanted to make sure I knew where you (and perhaps David as well) stood on the film.

I seemed to remember a photo of you standing in the place Zaprider was. Did you take some test film of your own?

Recently I obtained one of the B&H Directors cameras and some film, and was interested in doing some tests as well.

-Chris

Just as a reality check, let's remember that most college students weren't even alive when the movie JFK was released.

When I talk to high school and college students about very basic things in the case like the Zapruder film and multiple shooters, I get polite smiles and "I'm sure we studied it in school."

The current presidency is the only one they really remember.

But I do know that many millennials are very much not satisfied with the status quo. And they are much more able to sort fact from fiction in the media than people of our generations. I'm constantly impressed by the filters they have developed.

And I have hope.

I found this on YouTube through another forum conversation. Clearly it's not from the extant Z film as the crowd to the left of the freeway sign looks totally different.

But where is it from? It does not match up to any shot I saw in JFK the movie. From a recreation somewhere? A total hack?

Intriguing that it does show the expanded frame that many of us suspect the original Z film was shot in.

Thoughts?

Chris

We stand on the shoulders of giants.

RIP, Mr. Lane.

Thanks, Larry.

I've looked for contact info for Keith Reddin, but without any success yet. "Frame 312" is a "dramatization of a conspiracy theory", which was also produced in book form in 2002, so I don't know if it is anything other than a good fiction story - I suspect not. However, if anyone can get any further information about the real story behind the book/play, I do have a contact who might be able to tell me if the woman on whom the "Lynette Porter" figure is based was ever an "assistant editor" (or even a very senior secretary) at Life back then.

Chris, I couldn't find any contact info for Keith himself, but I did find his literary agent:

http://www.doollee.com/Agents/sBuchwald.htm

Best,

Chris

I ran across this story recently about a play that was put on called 'Frame 312'.

http://thevillager.com/villager_31/womanhaunted.html

But the interesting part was that the playwright claimed that this was based on a real story:

<I wrote Frame 312 around two years ago, after Id met an actual woman who had indeed worked at Time/Life in the 1960s. She was one of the first people who, with her editor, watched the Zapruder film, and, yes, when the FBI asked to see the film, it was she who took it, in her handbag, by train, to Washington and J. Edgar Hoover.

Its all true. An amazing story. And in fact shes a relative of mine, a distant relative whom I did not know. She lives somewhere in the South, thats all I should say, and is a housewife and does have children. I told her I might want to write something about this someday. I did a lot of research, and then when I sent her the finished play, she said: Its good that these questions are being raised.>

Has anyone ever heard of this woman? And how did the Z film get to Time in NY? One would presume this all happened relatively quickly after the assassination. But who knows.

Hi Chris,

Ruby can easily be seen in the basement before the shooting in the raw NBC-TV footage linked below....

Thanks, DVP. Appreciated.

Very interesting footage, DVP. Thanks for posting it. A few things that stuck out to me:

1. The reporters thought that Ruby was.a Secret Service agent. Why? Because he didn't dress like a cop and didn't identify himself as a newsman? Or perhaps did he tell a reporter or two that he was SS?

2. Someone said there were no reporters standing in the area Ruby was. But the policeman standing next to Ruby said he thought Ruby was a newsman.

3. Two days after the assassination, the on-camera reporter was still mistakenly referring to 'Lee Harold Oswald' the entire telecast.

4. The car horn right before Oswald walked out didn't seem nearly as ominous after hearing all of the other times the car horns beeped.

5. The police officer being interviewed towards the end knew the reporter by name. And he clearly knew who Ruby was,must was unwilling to say anything specially about him on camera.

6. I'll have to go back and watch it again, but I couldn't catch a glimpse of Ruby before it happened. Anyone else see him in the crowd?

Pro-tip: if you are going to give all of your personal papers to an author to write your memoirs, try not to pick someone who is about to get an award from the Association of Former Intelligence Officers. You know, the same group founded by David Atlee Phillips.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peggy_Adler