Paul Brancato

What is redacted? A name, something else? Both? Any guesses? I find it strange that Jewry and masonry are mentioned. There were lots of Freemasons who were prominent fascists, and definite links between right wing Israelis and OAS. Jesuits, Bolshevism, the Negro, the Vatican, everything lumped together that don’t fit in any conspiracy theory. Was Walker that nuts?

Anthony - this thread you linked is 6 years behind. Metta’s lengthy book is available in English and it’s a doozy, even though the translation is a bit wonky. “Accomplishing Jim Garrison’s investigation On The Trail of the Assassins”. Available on Amazon and kindle as well.

Never ceases to amaze me members of a site like this, dedicated to long term historical research, could be so myopic on current events.

Thanks for this. I’m working through it all. Paz Marverde posted here for a while, but I had a falling out with her after she lambasted me for quoting Reagan’s ‘trust but verify’, as if I had revealed my truer colors by doing so. There was no getting past this with her. I found it strange indeed. But Metta’s work should be read by all interested parties. I do believe that the 2nd edition is much expanded. Have you read it?

It’s interesting where this thread has gone to. I’ve been pondering this myself, not so much because of dancing Israelis but because of the qui bono aspect, which Mr. Thorne’s followup looks at. More to the point, I’d like to answer the original question by saying most emphatically NO, we cannot eliminate Ben Gurion, Dimona, Angleton from the equation. The key is Angleton, and the ever present Dulles of course. I may start another thread on this, but I’ll start here. A few years ago Italian journalist Michele Metta got some play in the forum, but everything he was writing about Permindex was in Italian. Jim D mentioned his book Accomplishing Jim Garrisons On The Trail of the Assassins. I’ve been reading it. The author makes a very strong case against Ben Gurion’s Mossad.

You are right, though I would add that the media has barely covered the MLK family or the family of Malcolm X, who I believe are about to go to trial. No one knows that the King family won a civil lawsuit against the FBI and I believe the Memphis Police. The other thing to bear in mind is that the silence after JFK was very understandable, given its shocking nature, and the possibility that the younger RFK might reclaim the Oval Office and do something about it. After his assassination they understandably and permanently closed ranks. btw Kirk, David Talbot answers your question in that very interview.

Joe - I question a few points you make. The first one is defining the mostly white Trump base as having racist motives. That is part of it for sure, but I don’t think most poor whites blame increasing non white populations for their economic predicament. As a motive for the white power structure, such as Republicans in Congress, sure. But if you are the average white working class guy you probably have no sense of financial security. Faced with higher medical costs, unaffordable college tuition, lack of job security, who you gonna blame? The government, and rightfully so. Whites aren’t looking at their more wealthy black neighbors and saying wtf? Loss of faith in government is real and understandable, and crosses all race and gender lines. Secondly! RFK Jr is very much against illegal immigration and stopping it is one of his platform positions. Most importantly, and unlike any other politician he is talking with Republican voters, who are far more likely to cross over and vote for him than for Joe Biden for that very reason. The bedrock of his campaign is to heal the divide. As long as we keep thinking of Republican voters as deplorable, or racist, anti semitic, stupid - choose your unkind adjective - instead of as neighbors, family, fellow citizens, we are doomed to endless wars domestic and foreign.

Thanks BC - this is a great interview with Talbot, who wrote one of the books mr. Koch should read, the Devil's Chessboard.

Thanks for this truthful interview, which would be well placed on Jim D’s American university speech thread, since Talbot references it mightily.

Nonsense. Has anyone here read his private communications with Krushchev? Think any other president dared to go behind the lines like this? To agree to a withdrawal of missiles from Turkey? Sure, the public persona will contain tailored speeches. But his record in Congress - do I have to quote his 1951 Indochina Speech, or his 1957 Algeria speech? Why the heck are you even here Kirk, or Michael? Or numerous others - you don’t understand the man whose death we honor here. You don’t understand why it’s important, why we continue to care. The man who fired Allen Dulles and others after the Bay of Pigs, where he refused to provide air cover or do anything to save the doomed invasion which he did not originate. The man who sent more US troops to ensure James Meredith’s admission to College than there were US advisors in VN at the time of his death. You say Jim, and myself, cherry-pick in order to paint a rosy picture of the man as being different than his predecessors and followers? It’s you who cherry-pick in order to disprove the obvious - that he was a peace lover trying to end the Cold War. Apparently you are all fine with the continual wars. Would you have rooted for the JCS when they proposed Northwoods, or presented a plan to totally annihilate the Soviet Union in 1963?

Hank had access to a portion of the memoir that Rene, Jean Pierre’s wife? Hoped one day would be published. Where is the memoir now?

There is also a section in A Terrible Mistake taken from an unpublished Lafitte memoir. And Hank refers to White’s ‘datebook’ in A Terrible Mistake’.

While reading about White in A Terrible Mistake I noticed a reference to a Colonel James (Hunter) Drum, who was present at a meeting with White, Sidney Gottlieb, Angleton and others discussing using LSD on unsuspecting test subjects in 1953. Drum was head of what was known, perhaps later, as the CIA’s Technical Services Division. Maybe I’m repeating something others have already posted about. I’m thinking of the notation in the datebook ‘DUUM’.

That’s a start - thank Ed. Do you know how to access this material? It seems to me I’ve read White’s Lafitte affidavit somewhere in one of Hank’s books. Maybe Leslie can chime in

Maybe you forgot your meds too. That doesn’t look like the Jack Ruby from Dallas does it? Btw interesting letter.

I have a question about George Hunter White’s diary. Where is it? Can we read it? I assume Hank read it and sourced from it.

I always find this kind of picking one sentence or another to respond to without taking account of the entirety of what I said less than satisfactory. You didn’t respond to large portions, the most important of which is my encouragement to take a more collaborative approach. I presume you don’t know why Ganis hasn’t shared his Skorzeny papers with the research community. You are not listed as a co-author of Coup in Dallas. The first time you said that you considered yourself one was in response to a previous post of mine which, like this one, was written to express some empathy with you, to try to explain why you may be defensive or feel attacked. Your initial response to Greg D, shortly after publication and on the first Forum thread you initiated, was that he had an ulterior motive for asking a perfectly legitimate question, which you can see is on the minds of most everyone. That is not collaborative, and the response down the road has not been a good one for you. I stand by what I said then, and now, and wish you would backpedal a bit. I’m not your enemy as you well know, and my primary motive is to help you, not criticize. My last question - the WHY of Lafitte writing a diary or datebook - is perhaps too difficult to answer prior to authentication, but it is an important one. What is the current status of authentication efforts?

Jim - how on earth can you quote Metta’s book and deny the international fascist nature of Permindex? I’m 100 pages in and Metta’s research completely proves my point. If you are saying that because Permindex also had Jews in their structure that negates fascist and yes, Nazi ties to Permindex? Please explain!

Didn’t Metta also prove, with documents, that Hans Globke funded Israel’s nuclear program - Dimona?

Who is Simpson? Linda - once we link Schroeder and Dulles to Permindex we are squarely in the international fascist milieu. Ultimately when I talk about post war Nazi inclusion into US Intelligence I’m thinking that borders lose meaning. Permindex represents that totally. Jim - Loftus had both official document sources and whitelblowing sources who he could not name. They corroborate each other. You have Kim Philby’s father in bed with the Saudis. Sounds like we inherited that. Then there is Kim Philby who bamboozled Angleton for a decade. But did he? What about the idea that the Soviets had as many Nazis working for them as we did. Not only was the Soviet Union blown up (where are we now though?) but US empire is self destructing too. Who benefits? Stateless billionaires. Maybe a bit simplistic but Angleton, fascist that he (and Hugh, his father) was, and Kim Philby with his fathers connections, meeting regularly for a decade. Robert Montenegro has indicated that he can trace the funding for Israel’s nuclear program to Nazis. Thinking out loud. Steve - good post. Same milieu ultimately. Revenge as motive, Dulles, Harvey, Lemnitzer, European fascists, Gehlen Org.

Jim - have you read John Loftus book The Secret War Against the Jews? Much of the book is about Kim Philby’s father! It’s astounding. Do you consider Loftus an important researcher? I bring this up here of course because Allen Dulles, and McCloy too, had extensive history with Nazis and their connections to American Corporate and Banking interests. I’m going to read your article - reread is probably more accurate. Do you think any study of the Dulles brothers can ignore their connections to Industrial pre and post war Germany? After reading, I see that it is a short article explaining that lost Dulles files have been relocated. Have you looked into any other important figures whose personal notes have gone missing?

I’m going to jump in here. I did make my own position clear by defending Greg’s questions as important and well meaning. I value Mr. Joseph’s contributions to the JFK research community greatly, but find it hard to see why he is arguing so vociferously against the posters who are harping on the issue of authentication. I’m a bit more inside than most of you in that I communicated with Hank several times on his research, not on the Lafitte diaries, before his untimely passing. I think Leslie feels a certain imperative because she was a close associate of Hank’s and worked like hell to get the book finished. I’ve asked her publicly not to take umbrage at Greg and others for their questions. She feels, rightly or wrongly, attacked. I too wish, and have stated, that I’d like to see her take a more collaborative approach. I know she has tried to get the diaries authenticated. She is apparently keeping some cards close to her vest because of legal issues. She has a lot at stake. For the sake of all, let’s try giving her a pass while we ask her to be less dogmatic. Robert Montenegro has stated publicly that he used the datebook entries as clues to research, and he has certainly started many deeply intriguing threads. We should not look at his work as an attempt to corroborate authenticity. He stated in that regard that he finds it hard to understand why a fake would yield such pertinent results. But he is not staking his work or credibility on authenticity of the diaries. One important issue I am concerned about is the accuracy of Hank Albarelli’s research into Jean Pierre Lafitte and George Hunter White. I wish all of us would separate this from the authenticity issue. I’d like Leslie to help here by addressing the issue of Hank’s source material. One cannot read the fascinating chapters on these two without wanting to know where Hank sourced the material. He often quotes, without quotation marks, things that Lafitte said. There is in my opinion a need to know this, because Lafitte is someone we need to know about. Again, without asking whether he was the organizer of the Assassination per the Datebook, who was he? Did Clay Shaw hire him as a chef? Did he and independent journalist James Phelan break into Garrison’s files and steal documents? I believe the source here is Phelan himself. The other only partly resolved issue is what happened between Major Ganis and Hank Albarelli? And as Leslie pointed out, why hasn’t Ganis released his Skorzeny documents for authentication and opened them up to researchers? But I will point out here that whatever the case is on this author’s split up, Robert has found much on Skorzeny, and we should want to get to the bottom of the research into genuine Nazi collusion with CIA operations. It’s very extensive, provable. What is the connection between JMWAVE officers and Reinhardt Gehlen? Here I would ask people like Greg, and Tom, who are clearly thoughtful researchers, as well as Jim D, Bill Simpich and others, to take a moment or two, forget the diaries for a while, and focus on Robert’s attempts to corroborate the explosive info that the diaries led him to uncover? In all this discussion I have heard very little from researchers on the Nazi links, despite some very convincing documentation. Is it too much to ask that you weigh in on this? My last question is why? If the diaries are really written by Lafitte in whole or even in part, why? I realize that without authentication it’s difficult to try to answer this. But it intrigues me.

Can we all agree that the national security state first got rid of our leaders in the 60’s, decimated people’s power movements, and then when Congress investigated got rid of them too? It’s the only way to see clearly what has transpired since, and where we are today. We rarely see any news about CIA activities.

Do you recall the name or any detail of the Madrid based researchers?

William - is that a turn around position for you? In any case I agree, and have been repeating here and elsewhere usually to the chagrin of whomever I’m talking to. Do you agree that a deal was in reach early, when the former Israeli PM stepped in to negotiate?