Robert Prudhomme

What proof is there that the projectile exiting JFK's throat was travelling on a horizontal plane?

Interpreting Dr. McClelland saying the wound was "of the left temple" as proof that McClelland was not a BOH witness shows a man grasping at straws. It is obvious to anyone, except Pat Speer, that a wound "of the left temple" would mean that is where the bullet entered. Seeing a large exit wound in the right rear of JFK's head, it would be easy to assume the bullet had entered the left temple. Will Pat show us what McClelland told the newspaper reporter regarding the BOH wound? http://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/V00-Y99/W20-W49/W34-/W34.00XA

You bother me.

Go away.

Goodbye, I've had enough of your childishness. Do not continue to waste my time.

You didn't answer the question.

The head is not a cube you know. The right rear section is quite curved as it transitions from the rear of the head to the side of the head.

Do you think a large wound in the right rear of the head would be visible from the side?

Well, show us their statements or testimony, and let us be the judge.

Know what I saw in the Z film? A great flap of pink something or other that hung down onto JFK's right cheek. What became of it? Regarding Dealey Plaza witnesses and what they saw, why not share some of their statements with us and let us see how they compare to the Z film. Would you consider Clint Hill a Dealey Plaza witness?

The wound was described by Dr. Marion Jenkins as being occipital-temporal. Look where that would place the wound. While the temporal bone extends up quite high into the parietal bone, the only place the occipital and temporal bones touch each other is at about the level of the ear; slightly higher than the EOP.

It's possible. I've always found the autopsy photos very difficult to decipher; possibly intentionally so.

Some reward, getting sent to Nam.

It would have to be.

Don't waste my time.

Did you see him climb the steps?

Right occiput, right rear of head; how can so many witnesses all agree with each other, yet all be mistaken? From the Warren Commission testimony of SA Clinton J Hill, Secret Service: " Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital? Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head." Did Clint Hill tell them where the wound was, and that was why everyone was mistaken, Pat?

" These described resuscitative activities were indicated as of first importance, and after they were carried out attention was turned to all other evidences of injury. There was a great laceration on the right side of the head (temporal and occipital), causing a great defect in the skull plate so that there was herniation and laceration of great areas of the brain, even to the extent that the cerebellum had protruded from the wound. There were also fragmented sections of brain on the drapes of the emergency room cart. With the institution of adequate cardiac compression, there was a great flow of blood from the cranial cavity, indicating that there was much vascular damage as well as brain tissue damage. " MT Jenkins, MD, Nov. 22, 1963 " There was a large wound in the right occipito-parietal region, from which profuse bleeding was occurring. 1500 cc. of blood were estimated on the drapes and floor of the Emergency Operating Room. There was considerable loss of scalp and bone tissue. Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound. " Kemp Clark, MD, Nov. 22, 1963 " In view of tracheal injury and decreased BS an tracheostomy was performed by Dr. Perry and Bilat. chest tubes inserted. A 2nd bld infusion was begun in left arm. In addition Dr. Jenkins began resp with anethesia machine, cardiac monitor, and stimulator attached. Solu cortef IV given (300mg), attempt to control slow oozing from cerebral and cerebellar tissue via packs instituted. Despite these measures as well as external cardiac massage, BP never returned and EKG evidence of cardiac activity was never obtained. " Charles J Carrico, MD, Nov. 22, 1963 " At the time of initial examination, the pt. was noted as non-responsive. The eyes were deviated and the pupils were dilated. A considerable quantity of blood was noted on the patient, the carriage and the floor. A small wound was noted in the midline of the neck, in the lower third anteriorly. It was exuding blood slowly. A large wound of the right posterior cranium was noted, exposing severely lacerated brain. Brain tissue was noted in the blood at the head of the carriage. " Malcolm O Perry, MD, Nov. 22, 1963 " On first observation of the remaining wounds the rt temporal and occipital bones were missing and the brain was lying on the table, with .extensive lacerations and contusions." Charles R Baxter, D, Nov. 22, 1963 "There was a large wound beginning in the right occiput extending into the parietal region. Much of the skull appeared gone at brief examination . The previously described lacerated brain was present. " Kemp Clark, MD, Nov. 22, 1963

If you find it odd that no one on the steps reported seeing Oswald on the steps, how odd do you find it that only one witness on the steps recalled seeing a white helmeted motorcycle cop run up the steps? Frazier would have been standing in front of the door and this cop (Baker) likely would have had to move him out of the way, yet Frazier et al have no recollection of seeing Baker.

Pat You are incorrect about the description of the head wound by the surgeons at Parkland Hospital. In their first day statements, most of them described the large gaping wound in the rear of JFK's head as being in the right rear and involving occipital and parietal bone. Some, like Dr. M. T. Jenkins, described the wound as involving the occipital and temporal bones. I will now show why, based on these descriptions, the large gaping wound could NOT have been near the top of JFK's head, and why many of the surgeons at Parkland were likely correct when they reported seeing cerebellar brain tissue exuding from the wound. Look at this side view of the human skull: Now look at this rear view of the human skull: As can be seen, the parietal bone dominates the top rear of the human skull, and the juncture between parietal and occipital bone is nowhere near the top of the head, as you would have us believe. But it gets worse for your theory, Pat. This wound was described as being in the right rear of JFK's head and, if you look closely, you can see the juncture between parietal and occipital bones descends rather sharply as it goes to right or left; thus placing this wound in the lower right rear of JFK's skull, according to witnesses. If we go with Jenkins description, that being the wound was in the occipital-temporal region, it gets even worse for your theory, as it can be seen in the side view of the skull that the entire juncture between occipital and temporal bones is at the bottom of the rear side of the skull. Many of these Parkland surgeons reported seeing cerebellar tissue (cerebellum) exuding from the wound in the lower right rear of JFK's skull. The diagram below shows the location of the cerebellum: What an odd coincidence that the cerebellum should be directly beneath the site where the surgeons located the head wound. You have worked very hard, Pat, at portraying the Parkland surgeons and other witnesses as being grossly mistaken about the location of the head wound but you have forgotten one very important thing. When eyewitnesses are mistaken, as they often are, they do not all make the same mistake and describe nearly identical, yet mistaken, scenarios.

So, was someone shooting at JFK with an M91 Carcano semi-auto from the Dal-Tex Building or some other vantage point behind the limo? A rifle made in 1908 seems ancient to us now but, in 1963, it would have been only 55 years old. I have fired many rifles this old, and they performed quite well. A semi-auto would have explained how three shots were fired in six seconds, and any bullets recovered from the crime scene would have had rifling marks on them almost identical to those found on bullets fired from Oswald's alleged M91/38 Carcano short rifle. This is how fast you can shoot a semi-auto rifle.

I believe this action would have been very similar to the Remington Model 8 semi-auto developed, of course, by John Browning. It was a favourite with Southern police forces, and could be modified with larger magazines and other additions. I believe two of these weapons were used by Texas Rangers in the ambush of Bonnie and Clyde, though not the super modified "assault rifle" conversion seen below, although one did have a 15 round magazine. As can be seen in the above photo, there is an inner and an outer barrel, and it is the inner barrel that moves rearward on this rifle when fired. I have never fired the Remington Model 8 but I have fired a European version (FN Browning Model 1900 carabine automatique) manufactured, under licence to Remington, from 1910 to 1914 and from 1919 to 1929 by Fabrique Nationale of Liege, Belgium. It is a little disconcerting to shoot at first, as there is a great deal of metal in motion, but it does not take long to become comfortable with this rifle. This rifle also has a connection to the JFK assassination, as DPD detective Elmer Boyd was photographed walking down the steps of the TSBD, just ahead of Fritz, toting a Remington Model 8.

Pat Are you trying to tell this forum that, by sheer cosmic coincidence, a hole was made in the back of JFK's head, during reconstruction, precisely where the Parkland surgeons all stated they observed a hole in Dallas? Seriously? And just why would they make this hole in the back of JFK's head? Were they robbing bone material to fill the hole on top of JFK's head? You wouldn't mind overly if we asked you for some evidence to support this, would you?

Good question, Micah. I'll have to go back and read his interview again.

Just about the time you think you've seen everything, along comes something altogether new. Here is a video Mark Knight just shared with me. And to think they were working on this way back in 1908!