Dixie Dea

Mary Moorman did not testify at the Warren Commissions Hearings! Moorman, Mary Ann 11/22/63 Affidavit 11/23/63 FBI report, Shaw trial testimony Witness at assassination scene Also, we cannot rely on anything that George DeMorenchildt may have claimed. Of course there is much hedging going on and we most all know that. There is conradiction also among LHO's Marine Buddies. I read one not so long ago, that was quite arrogant and I had a hard time believing he even knew LHO. You don't have to try and convince me of fabrications and contradictions. It just doesn't surprise me at all. Sometimes I also wonder if this is all a part of the Cover-up...the confusion to lead us down dead end roads. Well, actually it has worked. But as time goes by, we are discovering more and more. However, I don't understand when you say you Challenge me AGAIN. You don't need to challenge me to do anything. If I have interest in pursuing something I will and if I don't, then I won't. The fact that LHO was fired from J-C-S and he may still have received Unnemp Comp Benefits, is actualy a bit troubling. I don't know the answer, but it is also possible he was paid by some other entity for some other reason and this was the cover story, to account for the pay. Just only speculating, of course! I believe LHO was on a 6 Month Training period at J-C-S and according to them, he didn't work out as they had hoped. So, they let him go! I am not sure if this would classify as being fired or being layed off, after a training period. Could be they did have some feelings and considered it as layed off, since he did have a family to support and maybe didn't fight his Unemployment claim. Although I am sure that would be rather unusual. I know that each State has their own set of Unemp Comp rules, although I am sure they are all quite similar. I also don't know what the rules may have been in the 1962-63 era, in Texas. According to today's rules, I did find the following, and I do see there may be a loophole in what might be regarded as being fired for misconduct. I didn't get the impression that LHO was fired for misconduct. I think it may depend on who is analyzing the situatuion and whether the former Employer, protests the benefits or not. _____________________________________ Texas Unemployment Benefit Claim Information http://www.twc.state.tx.us/ui/bnfts/claimant1.html Your separation from your last work * You must be unemployed or partially unemployed through no fault of your own to receive benefits. Examples of qualifying reasons are: * You were laid off due to lack of work. * You are still working but the employer reduced your hours. (Your reduction in hours must not be the result of a disciplinary action.) * You were fired without work-related misconduct. Examples of misconduct are: a violation of company policy; violation of law; neglect or mismanagement of your position; or failure to perform your work acceptably if you are capable of doing so. * You quit your job for a good work-related or medical reason. TWC may rule good cause if the work situation would cause a person who truly wants to keep the job to leave it. Examples of possible good cause are: unsafe working conditions; significant changes in hiring agreement; or not receiving payment for your work. You should also have tried to correct the problem before quitting. Examples of medical reasons are: quitting on your doctor's advice, or quitting to care for a minor child if required for a documented medical reason. * You quit to protect yourself from family violence or stalking, evidenced by an active or recently issued protective order, a police record documenting family violence or stalking directed against you, and medical documentation of family violence against you. * If you quit to move with your husband or wife, you may be able to receive benefits after a disqualification of 6 to 25 weeks. This is a disqualification of both time and money, because we must subtract the number of disqualified weeks from your total benefits. Regards Dixie

I am starting to believe there is something to LHO having photography knowledge or experirnce. So many acquaitances of LHO, such as the White Russians testified that he told them he had Photography experience and that was the type of work he was looking for. I am also thinking that is another area that has been covered up, in the life of LHO. As to the reason, I have no idea, unless it was more important to show him as having low-paying menial labor type jobs and somehow connect that with him being an oppressed Lone-Nut. This is just a thought though! Another thought is that perhaps with a Lee and Harvey, one was into photography and the other one was not. It also appears that their backgrounds were melded into one person, as was needed. This is also only a thought! However, unless we have documentation to the contrary, we only have WC witness testimonies to go by. We do know that some did lie for reasons of their own, and some testimonies were also changed, according to some of the witnesses. We can't just assume or claim someone lied in order to fit our own story. In other words, I might know for a fact that something is wrong with someones testimony...or that the person lied. If I tell this to someone, a personal friend that actually knows me well, might believe me, but hardly anyone else would. It is only my word against a sworn witness. Until or unless someone comes up with actual documentation that actually says someone lied, then we usually choose to believe what has been sworn to. Otherwise, we would be acccepting everyone that makes such claims as being truthful, and that could be a big mistake. As in the above case of Mr Graf and Mr Stovall' WC Testimonies. It can be claimed they lied for some unknwon reasons and for all I know, maybe they did. But, someone just claiming they lied doesn't cause me to know for a fact, that they actually did lie. Someone making different claims, might be telling the truth, but I am a skeptic and need more then just words to convince me of anything and especially if it relates to contradicting sworn testimony. That is not to say I necessary believe specific sworn testimony and sometimes do suspect it as untruthful, yet unless I see or hear something that actually proves a person lied, I can't accept it as fact, that he actually did. In other words, I have no way of knowing if someone actually lied or not...only suspicions. I also have no way of knowing if someone is being truthful, by their words only. and to fit their own claims. I need proof or docmentation to be able to accept something as fact, that goes against what has been sworn to. This is no reflection towards anyone. It i just the way I am and also the way most of my JFK Research associates are. We cling to what we have as the best proof we have, until or unless something different, beyond hear-say, is actually shown to us. Regards Dixie

As to Judyth's above message, I strongly suggest reading these two WC testimonies: TESTIMONY OF JOHN G. GRAEF LHO's Supervisor at Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall :http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/graef.htm TESTIMONY OF ROBERT L. STOVALL President of Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/stova_ro.htm Dixie

I reside in the US and am retired, although I have done some work, in my own home. I did not attend College when I was younger, but did so for awhile, after my two kids started to school. Then with my former spouses many employment relocations, I didn't complete my college years. Instead, I was able to meet so many different, as well as, interesting types of people...an education in itself. Many years later, I became involved in a special field of interest, in which I attended many classes, workshops and seminars and earned many different Certificates, most with College credits. In addition, I attended the Univ of Utah for some specail courses. Sometime later, I was able to serve on the Board of Directors in three local non-profit agencies....not all at the same time though! In one, I became the Social Director and planned all the activites and fund raising events..including a once a week Teen Dance., which was quite successful, at the time. I have always had an interest in the JFK assn. probably from day one. That is, even though I had not actually been a JFK supporter and did not even vote for him. Still, I felt this was our Presiident and was in horror as to what occurred as well as the way it happened....just unbelievable to me. Only later, I began to view JFK politically, in a much different light then before. When I saw Jack Ruby shoot Lee Harvey Oswald live on TV, I just sensed that something was not right in what we were being told. I was also really surprised (shocked) at the Warren Comm. findings. Eventually, I heard about Mark Lane traveling around making talks about conspiracy. At that time, most regarded him as a kook..especially the media. Yet, from what I heard, he was saying things that I seemed to feel might be true. I kept wishing he would speak in my area, but he never did. I also saw Marguerette Oswald on a late night talk show and she was claiming her son was innocent and he was in fact, working for the govt. I had never heard this before and it rather startled me. At the time, I did believe that her son probably shot JFK even though I didn't believe he was alone. I actually felt she was just deluding herself and sort of felt sorry for her because she couldn't accept what her son had done. Then, I began to hear about Jim Garrison. What he was claiming, really did intrigue me. I thought that he might possibly be on the right track. Yet, the media was really trashing him and making him out to be a screw-ball, on a witch-hunt. One problem I had, was in obtaining JFK conspiracy related type books. Sometimes I would hear about one, but would never see them available in my local book stores. Sometimes I would find them at the library. Much later I heard about the Third & Fourth Decade Publication and was able to subscribe to them. I really enjoyed the articles, alhough I kept wanting to read more and more and be able to find more information. I continued to learn what I was able to through the years and then when I finally was able to get on the Internet, it opened up a whole new world, as far as JFK Research goes. I had no idea so much was available. I found a JFK related website index and went through it every night. It has been a great learning experience, these past few years. In addition, I have been a Member of several JFK related forums for several years. _________ Dixie

Hi Terry, Bernice, JIm, Ian and Larry....I see you made it here. It is nice to see some of us all together again, from various forums. Welcome also, to the new JFK Researchers and interested Students. As for the best JFK Books, I have most of the above books mentioned, except for Barr McClellands book. I was trying to think which would be my favorite and just can't decide. Those mentioned above are all good books! Last year, I was able to buy several of the older 1960's books..some have interesting bits of info that has been forgotten through the years. I have a notebook of such items to evenually check out. I have found that some things were only erroneous info from unreliable sources or perhaps misunderstandings... misinfo. I have also discovered that some things have been passed down from book to book and still believable today, yet was actually erreonous info. to begin with. So, I have discovered it is best to check sources as best you can. I picked up some interesting info from a book several years ago, about a specific person and today do not recall what book I read it. I have mentioned the info to others and no one seems to have heard of it. So, now I don't know if this was bogus info or not. I do wish I could find the info again though, to at least check out the source of the info. Maybe one day I will run across it again because it does impact on something that might be important, if true. Regards Dixie

Judyth... The LHO Timelime above is not something I wish to argue about. It is not written in stone and of course, I could have something wrong. However, integrating yourself into the Timeline to change it, only works if one believes your story, and in which I do not. I also do not wish to argue about this and have no animosity towards you either. Regards Dixie

Wlm... It is not easy to make such a determination about either June or Rachel. As with all of us, what we said yesterday, might not be the same today or tomorrow. I do know that through the years, Marina, June and Rachel have been exploited somewthat. Some who they believed they could trust actually screwed them over, in one way or other. Whether Rachel was or is willing to come forward, I am sure her Mother might have plenty to say about that. It has probably been a factor all along, in preventing her from speaking out. Then too, what does she actually know anyway..only what she has been told by her mother! She may have some sort of sentimentality attached to her father, but again what does she really kmow anyway? Only what Marina wants her to know. There are reasons that Marina does not reveal all, as we wish that she would do. This is the same reasons we are not being told the truth, by those involved in the coverup. Even if they wanted to reveal all, I believe they are most likely afraid to do so. I believe the door has been opened by many JFK Researchers for them to come forward and stil they will only go so far. I suppose if and when they day should come, it will most likely be in their own time or when they feel safe in doing so. Incidently,in past years, Marina has attended various JFK Conferences and has spoken to some researchers, but I think she may have given up on doing that. I don't mean to either encourage or discourage anyone from approaching Marina or the girls. But, I do know some have done so, and don't really see any headway being made. Regards Dixie

There is apparently some misunderstanding of LHO's Timeline and I hope I will be able to clairify the sequence of events Regards, Dixie In Jnne/July 1962 LHO and Marina arrives in Fort Worth from Russia and stays with Robert Oswald & Family In July/Aug 1962 LHO and Marina lives with Marguerite Oswald in Fort Worth and he gets a job at Leslie Welding Co. In Aug 1962- They move to an Apt at 2703 Mercedes St in Fort Worth. They also begin to meet several of the White Russians in Fort Worth as well as George and Jeanie DeMohrenchildt. LHO is then either layed off or fired from Leslie Welding Co. In Oct 1962 Their new White Russian friends advise them to move to Dallas to look for work. Marina stays iwth some of the White Russians white LHO goes on to Dallas and stays at the YMCA. He obtains employment at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall Co. In Nov. 1962 Marina moves to Dallas and they rent an Apt at 604 Elsbeth St. They meet and visit with more of the White Russian's in Dallas. and continue a friendhip with the DeMohrenchildts. At times, after fighting with LHO, Marina stays with some of the White Russian friends. . In Feb. 22, 1963 In Dallas, they meet Ruth Paine at a party. They are later invited to Ruth Paines for dinner and meet Michael Paine, who picks them up and gives them a ride to the Paines house. March 1963 They move to 214 Neely Street, in Dallas . It is claimed that LHO orders the MC rifle from ad for Klein's Sporting Goods in American Rifleman. Marina takes the backyard photogranps, April 10, 1963 Someone takes a shot at General Walker. Marina says it was LHO. The DeMohrenchildts move to Haiti. April 24, 1963—LHO leaves for New Orleans and Marina moves to Paine home May 10, 1963 New Orleans LHO gets a job with Reily Coffee Company and rents an Apt at 4905 Magazine Street, with the help of Myrtle Evans, a past friend of Marguerite Oswald. May 11, 1963 Ruth Paine drives Marina to New Orleans. July 19, 1963 LHO fired by Reily Coffee Company August 9, 1963 New Orleans, LHO is arrested in altercation passing out Fair Play for Cuba leaflets Sept. 23/25, 1963 Marina leaves for Dallas with Ruth Paine and moves most all their belongings which continues to be stored in the Paine's garage/ Oswald leaves for Mexico City Oct. 3, 1963— LHO arrives in Dallas. Marina continues to stay with Ruth Paine, while LHO moves to 1026 N Beckley St. and uses the name O. H. Lee. Visits with Marina at the Paines on weekends. Oct. 15, 1963 LHO begins work at the TSBD

Some of you may not have read June (Oswald) Porter's 1995 interview and might find it of interest. I also had an interview for Rachel Oswald, but haven't located it. If someone has it, I would also like to read it again. Regards Dixie _________________________________________ LEE HARVEY'S OLDEST JUNE OSWALD By Steve Salerno As America's obsession with her father goes on, a daughter tries to set the record straight. From The New York Times Magazine April 30, 1995. MORE THAN 30 YEARS AFTER the Kennedy assassination, Lee Harvey Oswald is a name that will not go away. One of the latest authors to wade into the conspiracy waters is Norman Mailer, whose book "Oswald's Tale: An American Mystery" will be published next month. The assassination has also been a constant in the life of June Oswald Porter, the 33-year-old daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. In her early years, grocery shopping with her mother, Marina, and sister, Rachel, took place amid stares and finger-pointing; hushed conversations ignited around them like flash fires as they walked the supermarket aisles. Because Marina Oswald realized that she and her children could become the focus of attention at any time, she made sure June and Rachel were always neatly dressed - no matter how small the chore, and despite the fact that the family was often financially strapped. "She never knew when we'd run into someone, and she didn't want us to look like poor white trash"' June says simply. Upon entering public school, June took the surname of her stepfather, Kenneth Porter, who married Marina in 1965. But anonymity exacted a curious price of its own, as June faced myriad graceless references to her father, mother and family. Even an intended compliment could hold hidden barbs - as when a male co-worker remarked on June's resemblance to "a young Marina Oswald," then immediately apologized, saying he "didn't mean to insult her" by invoking the infamous name. Nonetheless, during several interviews over the past she reports being content. And she recalls her childhood as a "pretty happy" time, thanks in large part to her stepfather. June is quieter about her own marriage, which ended in 1992. She remains protective of her privacy, distancing herself and her sons, ages 6 and 3, from the overall clique of assassination cultists who have dogged the Oswald women - Marina, now 53, June, and Rachel, 31 - ever since the events of Nov. 22, 1963. (June has requested that her married name, which she still uses in business, not be printed) Despite privacy concerns, she's pushing for the release of all records pertaining to the assassination. "We have to get the Government to move before it's too late." Q: What are your thoughts on Norman Mailer's new book? A: I don't have a comment on it as far as its conclusions because I haven't read them, but I did start the book. Mailer is such a great writer; I was just so enthralled. The first chapter opens with my family, and he goes way back to my great-grandmother in Russia. This is material I never would have known about insofar as my mother's side of the family, because my mother was illegitimate, you know. It's a little bit like opening a family album you didn't know existed before. I can tell you that I am very excited about the book in concept. I believe he's the first writer-researcher to get interviews with sources in the Russian Government and so this is an opportunity to shed new light on the subject from an area that has never been explored in any meaningful depth. Q: To what extent have you followed the various conspiracy theories? A: It's only in recent years that I've started to get into all that, mostly as part trying to get the records released. There was a bill passed at the end of the Bush Administration that required all Government agencies to review their files for any information related to the assassination and to release it - unless they felt there were matters of national security or a couple of other issues. The law said that if they felt that way, then those documents needed to be turned over to the Assassination Records Review Board and those folks would review the records and either concur, release them in blacked out state or release them entirely. Q: Over the years, you've kept a pretty low profile. Why have you started to speak out? A: Well, there was a lot of misinformation being released related to a book, "Case Closed," by Gerald Posner. And they got my mother on television in a live interview - she still doesn't have a good grasp of the language - and they were asking her specific questions about this book. She hadn't read it. I felt they manipulated her and made her look foolish. I had already written a we got to President Clinton to try to make sure he would appoint this review board from the Bush legislation to review assassination records, and to release those records. I was really supportive. Since I hadn't gotten a response, I toyed with the idea that I might have to go public. When my mother came on and this interview went so badly, I decided I really wanted to rebut. Q: I guess you must be encouraged that the review board was finally sworn in last year. A: Yes, I'm also very excited about that. They first met last April in Washington. And there have been public hearings there and in Dallas and Boston. Q: What is the status of your present-day identity? It sounds as if most people are not aware you're Lee Oswald's daughter. A: Yes and no. Now, Mom does articles that she doesn't bother to tell me she's doing, and sometimes my name comes up. We always used my stepfather's name, Porter, growing up, even though we were never legally adopted. My secretary in my last job put two and two together based on one of those articles. She copied it and put it on all my staff's desks. I didn't really want to be the center of gossip in this whole building. So I called my staff in, a group of 10 or so, and I said: "Yes, that is me in the article. Obviously, if I'd wanted to share that I would have told everyone a long time ago. I don't think it's relevant to anything we do here and I appreciate you keeping it to yourself." My biggest concern was that people at the office had my home address and phone number and I didn't want it leaked to The National Enquirer I have two small children, I'm divorced, I didn't want people to harass the kids. Q: Give me an example of what you'd consider harassment A: When I was pregnant with my first, some lady got my phone number and called in the middle of the night. And she said, "June Oswald?" That catches you off guard when you just wake up. And I said, "Yes?" And she said: "I'm so and so, and I just want you to know that I've written a song about you - and your child. And I'm gonna be in Dallas, and I want to sing it to you." I said I appreciate it, but I really don't get involved in that. You try to be nice because you don't want to make somebody upset who's going to seek you out if they're kooky enough to do that stuff anyway. There's always been this little group that's followed us - Mom, Rachel and me-and calls us and is fascinated by anything surrounding us. My first serious boyfriend -that's what he was fascinated about. He tracked me down. He said things when we were together like he really wanted to have children because "that would be the blood of Lee Harvey Oswald that was flowing through the kids." So he moved to Boston and wanted me to join him. I move all the way up there, and his parents wouldn't even let us stay in his house because I was the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald. They said it would depreciate the value of their home. Then I find out he's been doing some quote-unquote assassination research. So I ended up supporting him. Anyway, the only person I knew up there was Priscilla Johnson McMillan, who wrote my mother's book. We stayed with her for the summer. My boyfriend would sneak down to Priscilla's basement and read all her old files. He sold an article for an astronomical amount back then - I think it was $25,000. The way I finally woke up was, one night he said, "I'm gonna sell an article to Penthouse or Playboy"- I forget which - "and it's about your mother. I'm convinced that your mother and Priscilla had a sexual relationship." So I said, O.K, this is it. Just get out. Q: Tell me about growing up in the aftermath of the assassination. I know you were just a toddler, but do you have any recollections of turbulence in the household? A: I don't have any real memories of those ages. I know some people can remember vividly like it was yesterday, but I don't do that - even about yesterday. I do remember that our phones were tapped. We always had this really bad connection, and when you'd pick up the phone you'd hear that other click. This was before wiretapping got more sophisticated. For all I know it's still tapped. Mom was always overprotective of us. We didn't use the Oswald name, and it didn't come, up a lot around the house except when reporters would call It was always a big deal in November, when it was very stressful in the house. Mom would smoke all the time. Reporters came over and she would tell us, "shhhh, go in the other room" Q: When were you actually told about your father and the assassination? A: Something had come up where Mom had old boxes of letters out. People sent us money following the assassination, because Mom was young with two small children and didn't speak the language. Somehow those boxes came down and she was reading, and I guess she felt it was time to tell us. She sat us down, with my stepbrother, and started to explain who our father was- that it wasn't Kenneth - and who Lee was and what he had done. I just remember crying a lot because Mom was crying. Q: How old were you then? A: It would have been, like, first grade. And then, they tell a story about how after that I stood up in front of the whole class and said, "My father shot the President." Just out of the blue. But I don't remember that. The next memory I actually have is in second grade. We were studying the Presidents. The Presidents were all around the walls in the rooms. And we got to President Kennedy and I was told to go across the hall during that one. So I sat across the hall in a time-out room. Q: How did you feel about being singled out? A: I remember what I did during that time-out was, I plotted how I could run for class president and win! So l never connected it as a big negative or anything. Rachel felt differently. She his always felt really bogged down by it. She didn't feel like Kenneth was her dad. She wanted to know Lee; she wants lee to be a saint. Well, I was satisfied with my dad, so I've never felt this big need to connect with Lee or do the daughter-father thing. Q: One can't help but notice that you address him as "Lee." A: I've always called him that. My father is Kenneth Porter, the man I grew up with, the man who was there for my mother and Rachel and me. Q: And if someone were to show scientifically that Lee Oswald was or wasn't involved, that wouldn't make a difference to you? A: I would make a difference in the sense of justice being served. If the truth can be found that shows Lee had nothing to do with the assassination, I would feel better in that there have been a lot of things said and done regarding my family that all proceeded from an erroneous perception of what he did or didn't do. But you have to understand that, aside from what role he had in the assassination, there's the issue of what role he had in our family. I know that in my life, Lee wasn't a good man. He wasn't much of a husband, he wasn't much of a father. He beat my mother. There were times when we didn't have milk to drink. We lived in poor housing or were taken in by others. So if I'm able to be detached or seem cold and unemotional about it, it's because I look at Lee in those terms. Q: I assume you've seen the footage of Lee being shot by Jack Ruby. Are you able to maintain the same detachment when you see that? A: The first time l saw it l was very upset, but it gets to the point where it almost becomes unreal, this movie you're watching that has very little to do with you as a person. Mostly I feel bad that Lee was never able to tell his story. He tried to after the arrest but everybody discounted it. I would have liked for him to have his day in court. Q: Where do you stand today as far as your perception of what really happened out there in Dealey Plaza? A: I've never publicly said one way or the other for sure. There are a lot of assassination buffs who have analyzed all the technical data and the other available material and even they don't agree about what happened. Q: But are you comfortable with the fact that Lee Oswald played at least some role? A: I think there definitely is circumstantial evidence that could imply he had something to do with it because of the characters he was hanging out with in New Orleans. But you know, just because you're hanging out with a weird group - they could have set him up, and he could have had no idea what was going on that day. Q: Did you ever take the so-called assassination tour? A: Not until recently. I went on a car trip up to the house I had lived in with Lee, Lee's boarding house, another house Mom had lived in with Lee that's still standing, the path of the motorcade, where the bullets hit. Q: How did you feel about that? A: It was – unusual. I didn't break down and cry or anything. It was just kind of eerie. Q: I'm sure there must have been a lot of unusual incidents as you were growing up. A: I remember Rachel's seventh grade dance. So this little boy she was going with, his parents were going to come get her and they were going to go to the dance. Well, we're all waiting and a car pulls up in the driveway, and Mom rushes out to greet these parents, and they happen to be a man and a woman, and they've got a camera and she says, "Oh, you're gonna take pictures! Great!" And she's just welcoming them with open arms. And they say: "Oh, we can take pictures? Oh great!" Another car pulls up - and that's the parents and the little boy. The first car was The National Enquirer. But it was so funny because Mom talked to them for - I mean, nobody noticed that the date wasn't there! During college, Rachel supported herself at the Texas Chili Parlor in Austin. It's right across from the Capitol, and she was a waitress. Well, there's a travel guide she found out about that actually listed the Texas Chilli Parlor and said the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald worked there. So she became a sort of tourist attraction. Q: Your childhood doesn't sound like it was easy. A: Mom kept us together. She was pretty strong. I don't know if I could've done it and kept my sanity: two small children, don't speak the language, dirt poor, everybody in the country pointing their finger at you -hating you in some cases. I'm a strong woman, but I don't know if I could've kept myself together. But she did. She kept herself together for us. Q: Was any of this an issue in your marriage? A: No. My husband couldn't have cared less. But I still have problems in that area, because I date a lot. I always feel torn by whether I'm required to tell somebody about my history. I usually end up telling people that I'm seeing very often. And I'll tell you why: It could come up at any minute. Q: Did you see the "Seinfeld" episode in which they're at the ballpark, and they get spat upon, and- A: The "second spirter," right. It was hilarious. Q: If someone was to ask you today who your father is, what would you say? Whom do you really think of as dad? A: Kenneth. Now, the word father does mean Lee to me, But dad is Dad. And you know, it's not Lee's fault he got killed by Jack Ruby. I don't blame him for not being here for me. I do blame him for having beat my mother, and not being a good father or a good provider. Because some people have called me and said, "I knew your father and he really loved you." I have to admit that when I heard that he used to play with me all the time, that was a nice feeling. I try to hold that in the back of my head. Q: Do you worry about telling your children as they grow up? A: I do. I started worrying about, first of all, do I have a responsibility to tell them? What do I tell them? And I realize that I'm kind of cold about it, so how do I tell them? Do I need to be more compassionate' about it? I want to make sure they understand why I'm so matter-of-fact about it. But see, I'm matter-of-fact about a lot in my life. The other thing is, you just worry genealogically: Lee was illegitimate, and so was my mother. I've wondered what my kids are going to turn out like. Are they going to take after some ancestor we don't even know? There's a lot of genetic things you can't even control that are inborn in your kids. Q: How are things between you and your mom these days? A: The last two years have been very stressful, because she started doing things that she hasn't let us know about, then all of a sudden I hear about it or see it on TV. Like she did a movie and it involved me and Rachel, and she didn't tell us first. l think her physical health and mental health have been damaged in recent years over all of the pressures put on her. Q: After all this time? A: Part of it was the big anniversary, the 30th. There were a lot of things leading up to that that they wanted Mom to do, and Mom in recent years has gotten more and more involved, I guess because she's getting older and trying to rectify some of the things she may have done unintentionally - like stating publicly that Lee did it. I've never seen her act like that, like she needed to become more of a crusader, and it's taking its toll. Q: On your relationship with her as well? A: It has put certain strain on it. Mom accused me one day of being ashamed of who I was. I don't think that's true. It's not a matter of being ashamed, it's a matter of wanting to be judged as June Oswald and not "the daughter of Lee Harvey Oswald." Q: Do you and Rachel argue much about this? A: Yes. Just in recent years; but yes. We are very close - except when these kinds of things come up. See, this is the difference. We visited the set of "JFK" when it was going on, and somebody said, "Your father was a hero." Well, that's what Rachel wants to believe. Rachel loved listening to that. She got all caught up, because she wants so badly to have this identification with her father. That didn't set well with me. If they could prove somehow that he was innocent, he'd still not be a hero, he'd be a martyr. I have to remind Rachel that this is the man who beat our mother, who didn't provide for his children. I tell her, "Rachel, for all we know, we could have been living in the streets." Because that's mostly what I think of when I think of Lee. As for what his exact role in the assassination was - well, he'll have to be judged for that before God.