Jack White

Thanks, Chris! Jack

I just posted a message about John's materials on the Zigers. It failed to appear on the thread. Why? Jack Well, this appeared. What the lost message said was that John's materials on the Zigers in his Baylor collection is in Box 16, Notebook 1 ONLINE.

There is just one image, cropped from the "gaping hole" autopsy photo. The round object at upper left has been identified a glass "specimen jar" used in medical settings. There are several black specks in it which could be metal fragments. The round bullet hole is clearly apparent. It is unclear what the object may be which looks like the blade of a putty knife. Jack

Initially Morrow had SOME credibility. But with each new posting he diminishes himself. Jack

Photo of the BULLET HOLE beside the External Occipital Protruberance, where described. Note the specimen jar containing small bullet fragments. Jack

Phelps simply knows NOTHING about the Zapruder film and it fabrications. He needs to self destruct. He is living in the past. Jack PS...and about Oak Ridge? I note the question was avoided.

Just wondering: Does Mr. Phelps have a connection to Mission Impossible or the Y-12 National Security Nuclear Complex at Oak Ridge, just west of Knoxville? Sometimes one's occupation influences perceptions. This tape will self destruct in five seconds...4...3...2...1...pftttt. Jack

Well, For those who are trying to determine the truth of what happened at Dealey Plaza, those fake witnesses who impose themselves on the scene are the ones crashing the party without an invite and are the ones with the bad manners. And certainly can't be considered a "deep throat" source for anything. BK Right, Bill...and most of the fake witnesses have not come forward for more than 30 years, so they have had ample time to fabricate their stories from public information. Jack

This is NOT about keeping a "movement alive". Who wants a "live" movement based on faked evidence? This IS about a search for truth. Jack

The evidence to the contrary is NOT useless. The alterations and fabrications ARE EVIDENCE of manipulation by governmental agencies which had custody of the evidence. Studying what is IN the images compared to what SHOULD BE in the images constitutes powerful evidence of malfeasance which points at the guilty. People who suddenly appear on forums claiming to "know it all" and start trashing those who have studied the evidence for nearly 50 years are to be viewed with suspicion. This particular forum is infested with them. Some have even become moderators. Some have been tossed off of forums for their suspicious attitudes. Has Mr. Phelps been tossed off of any forums lately? Jack

Discuss anything you want. All of your studies so far represent some of the good studies of the 70s and 80s. In the 90s there was an awakening to alteration and fabrication. You should study new works on the subject instead of reinventing 30 year old observations. Jack

Your studies are good but about where some of us were 30 years ago. ALL IMAGES AND FILMS are suspect in some manner and cannot be relied on as proof of anything. You need to get up to speed on the latest research. You must FIRST establish the authenticity of images before they can be used in court. Those of us who have studied the images can DEMOLISH any acceptance by any court of law. Jack

Relying on anything said by JVB is VERY lame. Jack

There are many accounts of LHO's whereabouts at all times. Have you checked to find his alleged location on the day of the alleged visit? How do we know the alleged visit is not a hoax? Jack

If you doubt image fakery, look at this. Yes, that is today...but the Pentagon is years ahead in technology...today AND 50 years ago. Jack

I studied all the JFK photos and movies for thirty years very intensively, before realizing that ALL images are suspect, likely tampered with, faked or altered...and cannot be relied on forensically as proof of anything. Phelps is about where I was 25 years ago...basically trusting that all photos and films are genuine. Jack PS...the H7 group and the painted in black patch on the back of the head has been discussed extensively. Phelps needs to get up to speed on this observation, even though his observation matches the H7 group's.

Mr. Phelps makes some interesting postings, BUT...LBJ a JEW? He has to be kidding! Jack

Correction: Credit for that scan goes to Tink Thompson Thanks Craig I did understand that the original drumscan was Josiah Thompson's but i wasn't sure if the version you uploaded had been modified or not. ? Robin. You are correct. That version is modifed from the original scan. I did levels and curves adjustments to restore the tonal balance and I also did some digital "dodging and burning to even out the overall exposure values over the entire image area. which is called, WHAT ELSE: photo alteration... and you guys think altering the Z-film is difficult for those in the know circa 1963-64.... lmao! carry on, Craig! Aha! After years of denial, they admit they ENHANCED the DRUM SCAN! Jack

Polaroid number four was NOT confiscated. It was a shot of Jean Hill's cop "boyfriend". She gave it to him as a souvenir. Years later she wanted it back, and he said he "lost" it. This information comes directly from Jean. Jack

Researchers still have an opportunity to email or Twitter Gary Stover to suggest questions he might ask Mary Moorman. Stover says: "From my contact with her, I can tell you she has a very different story from that of her friend and fellow witness, Jean Hill." One can hope he asks good, informed questions. http://www.iantique.com/vid.php?user=News&video_id=138 Question I would have: Did Mary make contemporaneous notes of what she observed? Has she see the exant Z-film? Has she been interviewed in the intervening years so we have a record of what she might have said? It is my recollection that David Lifton was able to speak with her in 1971 but without a tape-recorder. Am I mistaken ?(Don't have my copy of TGZFH with me) Daniel, Mary was interviewed quite a bit on 11-22-63. She has also talked several times afterward. From patspeer.com, chapter 7: Mary Moorman was on the south side of Elm across from the Newmans. She can be seen in the Zapruder film, Nix film, and Muchmore film, as well as stills such as the Bond photo. She took a picture of Kennedy a split second after the impact of the head shot. (3:16 PM 11-22-63 WBAP interview, available on Youtube) (When asked why she took the photo at that moment) “That was the only chance I had. Mine is a Polaroid and I can only take one every ten seconds, and that was at that time whenever I took it. (When asked if she'd realized he'd been shot when she took the picture) "No I didn't. I must have snapped it immediately when he slumped, cause in the picture that’s the way she’s there and he’s slumped over.” (When asked if she'd seen the shooter) "No, I had taken the picture. And then the shots. And I decided it was time to fall on the ground." (3:30 PM 11-22-63 KRLD interview, transcribed by David Lifton and posted online by Jack White, 2-16-07) (When asked if she took her Polaroid picture before or after the first shot) “Evidently, just immediately, as the…cause he was, he was looking, you know, whenever I got the camera focused and then I snapped it in my picture, he slumped over.” (When asked how far way she was from Kennedy at this time) “10 or 15 foot, I, no, more…Because I fall behind my camera.” (When asked where she was standing) “We stepped out in the street. We were right at the car.” (When asked how many shots she heard) “Oh, oh, I don’t know. I think three or four is what I, uh, that I heard…that I’m sure of. Now, I don’t know, there might have been more. It just took seconds for me to realize what was happening. (When asked Kennedy’s response to the first shot.) “He grabbed his chest, and, of course, Mrs. Kennedy jumped up immediately and fell over him, and she said “My God, he’s been shot.” (When asked the reactions of others) “Uh, they hesitated just for a moment ‘cause I think they were like I was, you know—Was that a shot or was it just a backfire, or just what? And then, of course, he clutched himself and they immediately sped up, real fast, you know, like to get out of there. And, uh the police, there were several motorcycles around him, and uh, they stopped, and uh—one or two must have went with him. And one ran up the hill, and a friend that was with me ran up the hill across the street, from where the shots came from.” (When asked where the shots came from) “Oh, Lord. North. Just back there.” (When asked if this meant the shots were fired toward her) “Yes, sir.” “The sound popped, well it just sounded like, well, you know, there might have been a firecracker right there in the car.” (When asked again if her picture was taken before the shot) “Evidently, at the minute that he, that it hit him because, uh, we was we was looking, at me, or I mean, he was looking, you know, at the people when my picture came out. Then he just slumped over, so I must have got it.” (Describing her picture) “You could see he’s clutched, he’s bent over, and she’s…and she hadn’t even gotten up in my picture, and she did get up, stood up, in the car.” (11-22-63 WFAA interview, as quoted in Pictures of the Pain) “My picture when I took it was at the same instant that the President was hit, and that does show in my picture…it shows the President, uh, he slumped…It all happened so suddenly, I don’t think anyone realized, you know, what had happened.” (About the shots) “There was three or four real close together, and it must have been the first one that shot him, ‘cause that was the time I took the picture, and during that time after I took the picture, and the shots were still being fired, I decided I better get on the ground. I was no more than 15 foot from the car, and in the line of fire, evidently.” (11-22-63 statement to Dallas Sheriff’s Department, 19H487, 24H217) “As President Kennedy was opposite me, I took a picture of him. As I snapped the picture of President Kennedy, I heard a shot ring out. President Kennedy kind of slumped over. Then I heard another shot ring out and Mrs. Kennedy jumped up and said “My God, he has been shot!” When I heard these shots ring out, I fell to the ground to keep from being hit myself. I heard three or four shots in all.” (11-23-63 FBI, report, 22H838) “She took a second photograph of the President as his automobile passed her, and just as she snapped the picture, she heard what she first thought was a firecracker and very shortly thereafter heard another similar sound which she later determined to have been gunfire. She knows that she heard two shots and possibly a third shot. She recalls seeing the President sort of “jump” and start to slump sideways in the seat, and seems to recall President Kennedy’s wife scream “My God, he’s been shot!...She recalls that the President’s car was moving at the time she took the second picture, and when she heard the shots, and has the impression that the car either stopped momentarily or hesitated and then drove off in a hurry.” (2-15-69 testimony in the trial of Clay Shaw) “as the Presidential limousine approached me I stepped forward to observe closer in order to take a picture, that is what I planned to do and just what I did....I heard three noises and they sounded like firecrackers.” (1997 interview on KRLD, as posted online by Debra Conway) "Uh, just immediately before the presidential car came into view, we were, you know, there was just tremendous excitement. And my friend who was with me ( Jean Hill ) we were right ready to take the picture. And she's not timid. She, as the car approached us, she did holler for the president. " Mr. President, look this way!” And I stepped out off the curb into the street to take the picture and snapped it immediately. And that evidently was the first shot. You know I could hear the sound. and…" (When asked if she recognized it as a rifle shot) "Oh no. A firecracker, maybe. There was another one just immediately following which I still thought was a firecracker. And then I stepped back up on to the grassy area. I guess just, people were falling around us, you know. Knowing something was wrong. I certainly didn't know what was wrong”. (Appearance in Discovery Channel program Unsolved History: Death in Dealey Plaza, first aired 2-26-2003. Transcript provided by James Fetzer) (Moorman is standing on the grass where she is seen in the Zapruder film) "I just stepped to the, uh, to the edge here, and Jean is hollering, "Look Mr. President, look our way!" and then I snapped the picture, which was at the same instant, evidently, as the bullet hit him, not realizing that's what had happened. But I did hear a noise, and then I could see people around me falling to the ground, or running, and doing--and that led me to know that something was happening."(April, 2007 interview on KRLD) (When asked how many shots she heard) "I heard three." (When asked what they sounded like) "I stepped up to snap a picture and at the instant that I snapped a picture there was a shot. And I know I stepped back a few steps and another shot. And then there was another one shortly in a matter of seconds...The first two were closer together than the last one." You left out that in the latter, Gary Mack had to prompt repeated RETAKES by Mary to keep her from saying WE STEPPED INTO THE STREET. Jack

Don Jeffries is one of our few clear thinkers here. Jack

Pamela, In all due respect, Rather was not mistaken about the content regarding the turn onto Elm. Reality dictates that the limousine did, in fact, turn from Houston Street onto Elm Street irrespective of whether or not any film shows the turn. However, he may have embellished the circumstances under which he claims to have seen the film. Indeed, there is considerable doubt as to whether or not he even saw the film at all! Indeed, there is considerable doubt as to whether or not he was even in DALLAS at the time he claims to have been there! But, I digress. If he really did see a film of the event--and it was an un-altered version--then it showed the turn onto Elm Street. Rather's tale of waiting for a "film drop" west of the underpass is ludicrous and false. This puts in doubt other statements. However, I believe he was in Dallas and played some active role...we just do not know what. What we do know is that in the Dallas aftermath, he rose from obscurity to the CBS network, perhaps on the basis of what he DID KNOW. Jack

Guide:How to piss off Native Americans Published on Wednesday, May 4, 2011 by the Post Standard Onondaga Nation Leaders Blast 'Geronimo' Codename for Bin Laden by Charles McChesney Onondaga Nation Territory -- Leaders of the Onondaga Nation blasted as “reprehensible” the code name used for Osama bin Laden in the commando assault that killed him: “Geronimo.” “We’ve ID’d Geronimo,” U.S. forces reported by radio Sunday to the White House. Later, word came that “Geronimo” was dead. Geronimo was an Apache leader in the 19th century who spent many years fighting the Mexican and U.S. armies until his surrender in 1886. “Think of the outcry if they had used any other ethnic group’s hero,” the Onondaga Council of Chiefs said in a release Tuesday. “Geronimo bravely and heroically defended his homeland and his people, eventually surrendering and living out the rest of his days peacefully, if in captivity.” “Geronimo is arguably the most recognized Native American name in the world,” the chiefs said, “and this comparison only serves to perpetuate negative stereotypes about our people.” The chiefs said the incident revived memories of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s remark last year that Gov. David Paterson should “get yourself a cowboy hat and a shotgun” to deal with Indian affairs. “It’s typical,” said Onondaga Tadodaho Sid Hill, the nation's spiritual leader. He said Geronimo was a hero to American Indians and it was incomprehensible that “they use him to identify a man like Osama Bin Laden.” “Why would that be honorable to us?” he asked. “All they know is just cowboys and Indians, the stuff they saw on TV.” Hill said he had higher hopes for President Obama, who he said was adopted by the Blackfoot tribe during the 2008 election campaign. “Nobody seems to be able to see our side." Loretta Tuell, staff director and chief counsel for the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, had a similar same reaction. “These inappropriate uses of Native American icons and cultures are prevalent throughout our society, and the impacts to Native and non-Native children are devastating,” Tuell said. Tuell is a member of the Nez Perce tribe and grew on the tribe’s reservation in Idaho. Steven Newcomb, a columnist for the weekly newspaper Indian Country Today, criticized what he called a disrespectful use of a name revered by many Native Americans. “Apparently, having an African-American president in the White House is not enough to overturn the more than 200-year American tradition of treating and thinking of Indians as enemies of the United States,” Newcomb wrote. “It’s frustrating,” said Hill. “We just can’t let this slide again.” © 2010 Syracuse Online LLC.

I concur with Elias Davidsson: Barbaric (Written by European author Elias Davidsson): ...by Elias Davidsson on Osama bin Laden's murder According to mass media, Osama bin Laden was murdered yesterday, on May 1st, 2011. He was murdered with "other family members", whose identity is still unknown. The President of the United States of America took credit for this act of murder. Murder is prohibited in every jurisdiction. It is regarded as a criminal act both under national and international law. President Barack Obama should henceforth be charged for ordering an act of outright murder. 1. Mass media report Americans "celebrating" the murder of Osama bin Laden. CNN reported that a crowd was singing "God Bless America" near Ground Zero and that outside the White House a crowd was "jubilating." Others reportedly sung the national hymn, as if murder was a patriotic act. Celebrating murder is a barbaric practice. Civilized people never condone murder, let alone celebrate it. 2. Osama bin Laden was not charged for any links to 9/11. U.S. leaders did not directly attribute to him the crime of 9/11. In March 2002, President George W. Bush said in a press conference that he was not anymore concerned by the fate or whereabouts Osama bin Laden (OBL). Was he lying, or was bin Laden already dead by that time, as reported in Pakistani media? The FBI admitted in 2006 that it possesses no "hard evidence" to connect OBL to the events of 9/11. This admission was made after a journalist discovered that the FBI fails to mention OBL's nexus to 9/11 on its website. Mass media have deliberately suppressed this lack of evidence, in order to keep the public supporting the war on Afghanistan and the "war on terrorism". President Barack Obama has now demonstrated his mendacity by suggesting that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the mass-murder of 9/11. Those reading the exact wording of his speech - in which he announced the murder of Osama bin Laden - will note that he did not directly link Osama bin Laden for 9/11. He merely suggested this allegation by rhetorical means, the typical conduct of a masterful swindler. 3. Even suspected criminals are entitled to a fair trial. At the very threshold of civilized conduct, persons may be sentenced to death after having been proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt by an impartial court for the most odious crimes. Osama bin Laden was accused of many crimes. But he was not proven guilty of any crime in a court of law. He was not charged for any connection to the mass-murder of 9/11. He was widely suspected to pose as a radical Muslim but actually acting for Western intelligence services in discrediting Islam. Whatever he ever said, or is alleged to have said, was, however, no ground for murder. To hound and murder a fugitive - if that was his condition - would make this murder particularly odious. 4. One of the persons murdered yesterday is alleged to have been Osama bin Laden. But this is not certain. According to CNN, an unnamed U.S. official said that bin Laden "was buried at sea". He explained that this was done in order to abide by "the Islamic tradition." How dare people who commit murder claim to have respect for religious traditions, let alone Islam? Do Muslims throw bodies of dead people into the sea? Another claimed that by throwing the body into the sea, the U.S. tried to prevent his burial ground to become a shrine, as if Osama bin Laden was widely perceived as a hero! The swift disposal of his body suggests, however, that the murderers were concerned that the public would discover that the victim was mutilated or that the body did not belong at all to Osama bin Laden. 5. The silence surrounding the identities of the "other family members" who also were murdered, demonstrates the disregard by the U.S. government for human lives. Even if their deaths was not directly desired, it was taken into account. Their killing would be considered under common law as "reckless murder", for which President Barack Obama must be held to account. 6. Congratulations by world leaders for this act of cowardly murder should raise concern to every member of the human family. When national leaders express their satisfaction over an act of outright murder, they forfeit their claim to remain in power. Decent people around the world should seek the removal from public office of any person who commends murder. 7. The murder of a person alleged to be Osama bin Laden is obviously an effort to revive the monstrous lie that Muslims committed the mass-murder of 9/11, a lie that is being increasingly exposed as the 10th anniversary of the mass-murder is approaching. The US government of Barack Obama has decided to enforce this lie by an act of cowardly murder and by further lies. These efforts will not succeed. This episode of evil will be duly documented and justice will prevail. The killers of Osama bin Laden must be charged, prosecuted and punished in order that such acts will not be repeated. The above text was written under the impact of the shock that befell the author by learning about the cowardly murder and the barbaric sequels to that murder. Those who doubt some of the claims made above are invited to request sources from the author. Elias Davidsson Bonn, Germany 2 May 2011, 11:00 a.m. GMT

Clearly a manufactured event to take the spotlight off of Obama COLB. Jack