Jack White

Thanks for the update, Greg.

I had a five-way bypass nearly six years ago, and it was very tough going for a while, but knowing that you got through the surgery, and will feel unbelievably better in due course, is a great incentive to keep fighting.

Keep fighting it, Jack. Believe me, there will be good days and bad days, but soon you will be having more good ones than bad ones, and that is when you will really start to feel on top of things again.

Chris

Thanks, Chris!

Jack

I just posted a message about John's materials on the Zigers. It failed to appear on the thread. Why?

Jack

Well, this appeared. What the lost message said was that John's materials on the Zigers in his Baylor

collection is in Box 16, Notebook 1 ONLINE.

Hello Jack, I don't think all these photos came across too well. Can't seem to see a jar with bullet fragments. j

There is just one image, cropped from the "gaping hole" autopsy photo. The round object at upper left has

been identified a glass "specimen jar" used in medical settings. There are several black specks in it which

could be metal fragments. The round bullet hole is clearly apparent. It is unclear what the object may be

which looks like the blade of a putty knife.

Jack

I like having Jim Phelps on this board. If anyone calls him a "lunatic" "kook" "loon" or a "nut" I am going to make sure the moderators hear about it in a quick fashion.

At least Jim Phelps believes in what he is posting unlike SOME members of Education Forum, who I consider nothing more than pure internet disinformation artists on the JFK assassination.

And, at least Jim Phelps has figured out that it is *obvious* that Lyndon Johnson was a key player in the JFK assassination. I agree with Phelps on that last point.

I am not sure if I agree with the rest of the stuff. Having said that, we need to have some more quality and interesting posters on this forum. If you know of any quality JFK researcher please ask him or her to join up here. We need some "new blood."

Sincerely,

Robert Morrow

Initially Morrow had SOME credibility. But with each new posting he diminishes himself.

Jack

Photo of the BULLET HOLE beside the External Occipital Protruberance, where described.

Note the specimen jar containing small bullet fragments.

Jack

So, it looks like the film is to self destruct very soon. By design of this little group that wants its credibilty destroyed.

It appears the game is to show any little piece is altered, then the whole thing is faked, not credible, useless.

It will be shown to be useless in any legal proceeding, and the end game appears to be kill the Zapruder Film. But, the real issue is that while little bits might be off, there is still enough to be really useful.

with their plan, the Icon for JFK's demise goes into the garbage can. Zapruder Film is aimed at the trash can of history.

Just like the old Peter Graves Mission Impossible series. The Film will be not self destructed, but destructed by your goal to distroy it as having any credibilty.

Which means we get a bunch of old guys sitting around going, oh well, we sure pulled that one off.

So, go do it. I think we'll find you end up with a handfull of air. No movement for what people can't visualize.

In the mean time, I find there are lots of useful pieces, contrary to your beliefs or goals. There is much to be had from the Zapruder Film and it is pretty easy to overcome.

Phelps simply knows NOTHING about the Zapruder film and it fabrications. He needs to self destruct. He is living in the past.

Jack

PS...and about Oak Ridge? I note the question was avoided.

Just wondering: Does Mr. Phelps have a connection to Mission Impossible or the Y-12 National Security Nuclear Complex at Oak Ridge, just west of Knoxville?

Sometimes one's occupation influences perceptions. This tape will self destruct in five seconds...4...3...2...1...pftttt.

Jack

Well. I don't know what is stopping anyone around Texas from looking up all those people and conducting a little ask around thing.

I don't have the time to do it. I've done a little looking around and it looks valid.

But, it is there for researching. Or perhaps the WC ethic is in vogue?

So, pass it around and research it.

I don't call dissing JVB as anything related to researching. I call it bad manners.

Well,

For those who are trying to determine the truth of what happened at Dealey Plaza, those fake witnesses who impose themselves on the scene are the ones crashing the party without an invite and are the ones with the bad manners. And certainly can't be considered a "deep throat" source for anything.

BK

Right, Bill...and most of the fake witnesses have not come forward for more than 30 years,

so they have had ample time to fabricate their stories from public information.

Jack

This is NOT about keeping a "movement alive". Who wants a "live" movement based on faked evidence? This IS about a search for truth.

Jack

I think what Jack is telling everyone, is that all is altered. Nothing can be considered useful. All evidence is moot. There is no evidence.

So, there is nothing left to discuss. You are captured by a system so superior at getting away with the crime that all you get to do is nothing. Perhaps run in circles.

Resistance is futile. Remember, anything and everything Jack will prove to be useless.

Your only hope is to prey to those that have the unaltered documents. But those might be released when you are dead.

I guess those in Egypt heard the same thing----then they went to the streets to protest.

So, besides qualifying every single item as altered. What plan do you have except to dismiss anything and everything as useless? Jack suggests only that you read and learn that all is altered. Then, you are stuck forever.

The evidence to the contrary is NOT useless. The alterations and fabrications ARE EVIDENCE of manipulation by governmental

agencies which had custody of the evidence. Studying what is IN the images compared to what SHOULD BE in the images constitutes

powerful evidence of malfeasance which points at the guilty.

People who suddenly appear on forums claiming to "know it all" and start trashing those who have studied the evidence for nearly 50 years

are to be viewed with suspicion. This particular forum is infested with them. Some have even become moderators. Some have been tossed

off of forums for their suspicious attitudes. Has Mr. Phelps been tossed off of any forums lately?

Jack

Discuss anything you want. All of your studies so far represent some of the good studies of the 70s and 80s. In the 90s

there was an awakening to alteration and fabrication. You should study new works on the subject instead of reinventing

30 year old observations.

Jack

Greetings Jack White,

Nice YouTube special effects video production with various Green Screen video switching effects combined with various scenes using pan and zoom. Makes for excellent artificial realities. It is a very impressive little video, but not much beyond what we see on the Evening Weather on the local TV channels. Digital Video is so much fun, and much better than the old A-B role editing we used to have to do these things with. Yeah, I've done those things with digital videos.

I have had a desktop computer for the last ten years that can do all those things very easily. I've got more recent computers that blow the old one away on effects and speed of processing and renderings. These come in handy for looking at the various films and blowing things up (zoom), slowing them down, speeding things up, tacking on sound tracks. It makes looking for when the Gov was hit rather easy.

I think it would be fun to do a real super high quality video Hollywood grade remake of the Zapruder Film and add all the special effects to produce the best yet recreation of what happened that day.

Just think, we could add in those missing frames on one of the films that had 8 frames spliced out and never returned, and that other one that the FBI manages to intentionally burn the same frame areas as the one with the missing frames spliced out. Just think, we could add back in those frames in the motion sequence and put in the sparkler effects of that first bullet hitting a bit of steel and making sparks that would easily reveal where that first shot came from and it was not from the TSBD. Would not these super remakes of the Zapruder Film be so useful. Makes one wonder why Oliver Stone didn't just do that. I mean he did have the processing and special effects power of Hollywood. After all, he did have you as an advisor and you know all about these missing and tampered areas.

I have noticed there are a number of the assassination folks that want to suggest that all the films, photos, x-ray, and such have been altered. And I have seen some of that, but not to the extremes that many seem to want to sell. We have some even suggesting the Lunar Landings were all faked with the same Hollywood Magic that you suggested above. Then they get into 911, The Mossad Art Students, moving companies, etc. Some, per JFK, I tend to think that they live in a little too large a fantasy.

All those that stand on the platform that all has been altered, all is faked, have little to talk about. There is no real visual evidence in the various photos, movies, x-rays, and copies of records. Thus, if that is those folks basis, when they are asked to show their poker hand---you don't even have the cards to show as they were all created by artifical reality. In computer lingo, we call it vapor ware, none existant media. They don't even hold cards with which to play.

I liked your video, but I don't think much of what I think are a little too far fetched opinions on the degrees of fakery held by many. Just my opinion. I am reviewing lots of those fakery issues of late and I keep finding some problems. Still processing and considering.

I still consider the Zapruder Film as extremely pertinent and exceptionally so that issue of the hair bulge at the back of JFK's head and the shot energy dynamics matching that energy dissipation from two bullets closely spaced in time. Just remember that you have suggested it is all faked, thus you have no interest in that sort of analysis, but some of us do.

JP

Your studies are good but about where some of us were 30 years ago. ALL IMAGES AND FILMS are suspect in some manner and cannot

be relied on as proof of anything. You need to get up to speed on the latest research. You must FIRST establish the authenticity of

images before they can be used in court. Those of us who have studied the images can DEMOLISH any acceptance by any court of law.

Jack

Bill,

I suppose what sounds like your deduction that the LHO visit to Oak Ridge doesn't have anything to do with Judyth Baker might be a little lame.

I do think she tells the project was getting assistance from Oak Ridge, as Oak Ridge does have places like ORINS, ORAU, and all kinds of Health Physics data on radiation and health.

Oak Ridge designed the LETMA and METBA facilities to radiate both large primates and even children to see what radiations effects would have upon them. And they are doing the same sort of issues for Castro.

Just why would not a person assisting JVB and the Cancer Virus and Radiation impairment of the immune response not come talk to the experts?

Oak Ridge was the epicenter of the radiation health physics under Karl Morgan. He was totally famous in radiation protection. He wrote a good book called The Angry Genie. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Z._Morgan

I'd say LHO visit could well have had to do with helping JVB in some capacity, but he may have slipped up in telling too much of what he learned in Oak Ridge on the Register Sheet.

http://www.hss.energy.gov/HealthSafety/ohre/roadmap/achre/chap8_6.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Ridge_Associated_Universities

I'd think the informed question would be more like why didn't Lee Oswald come seeking information on this kill Castro with cancer project because that is the world's greatest knowledge base for that sort of thing.

Most all the Doctors helping JVB were trained at ORINS.

Relying on anything said by JVB is VERY lame.

Jack

For Discussion:

"The CIA Deep Throat on JFK assassination"

It appears there is always someone that has told or leaked on any big Govt corruption plan, and examples have been "The Pentagon Papers", and the "Deep Throat" on the Nixon DNC Watergate Tower "Plumer's" problems. I actually knew who "Deep Throat" was for about a year before he came out and told his story. A retired FBI agent friend had pretty much put it together that the only person that would be leaking was Mark Felt. Seeming his nickname came from being close to the Hoover Gay issues in the top FBI office.

It appears we did have a major leak from the CIA about an operation to get shed of JFK, because JFK was leaking state secrets on his backwater channels to the Soviets. This made JFK out to be a traitor to the CIA types, and they told all the Joint Chiefs, Hoover, and the CIA network. It appears the Soviets were perhaps more trustable to the man seeking Peace than this Joint Chiefs and the CIA. RFK also passed messages to the Soviets about JFK death. The book that speaks to this is titled "Regicide" by Greg Douglas:

http://www.amazon.com/Regicide-Official-Assassination-John-Kennedy/dp/1591482976

The CIA JFK Assassination leaker was "Bob Crawley" and the idea to off JFK was called "Operation Zipper" after JFK's and RFK's sexual exploits that involved everything from Mary Meyer, Marilyn Monroe, White House Swimming buddies "Fiddle" and "Faddle", and Mafia gal Judyth Exner. JFK used Exer as a back channel conduit to the Mafia. Mary Meyer appeared to hook up JFK with CIA drug channels.

It appears other Catholics became curious about JFK's death and found the information connecting the CIA to setting up a plot to kill JFK as valid and they offer a book summary here:

http://www.catholicbook.com/catholicbook/fidelis_et_verus85.htm

All worth consideration, as we zero in on the magnitude of the plot to hit JFK and cover up the matter by blaming it on another CIA leaker named Lee Oswald, who leaked to the FBI as a paid informant.

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So, today we know of many ways that JFK was informing to the FBI on the JFK hit, and one of the more interesting ways that we know LHO knew about the JFK assassiantion plot comes from Oak Ridge Tennessee and its Atomic Museum's Guest Registry. Lee Oswald came to Oak Ridge as part of the CIA project to kill Castro with cancer that was being run out of New Orleans with people like David Ferrie, Lee Oswald, Alton Oschner, Mary Sherman, and Judyth Baker. This little evidence sticker tells us Lee Oswald intended to leave the FBI a message that he was in Oak Ridge, and what he learned from his visit to Oak Ridge. See:

In this Registry Lee Oswald signs in as being from Russia, which sets off the FBI checking what is going on. And he signs in as being from Dallas, Tx. and a Dallas Rd. as a sort of Dead Drop message to the FBI that he was in Oak Ridge and that marked what he had learned on his visit.

Lee Oswald was working on a special little CIA plot to off Castro with radiation and cancer virus methods and the work up for these activities is cover by excellent books by Judyth Baker and Ed Haslam, who both have detailed these activities for history. See:

http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Marys-Monkey-Cancer-Causing-Assassination/dp/0977795306

and

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0979988675/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0977795306&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0VQJNP56VN8XXGWM3D6J

So, I think we can see that Oak Ridge was in on the plot to kill Castro very early on, via their expertise on radition health effects and how the radiation damage to the immune system allows a cancer virus to kill the target, in this case Castro with lung cancer.

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There is just a modest amount of checking for other person's memories of that day and that visit.

This is one:

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2010/10/lee-h-oswald-at-atomic-energy-museum.html

There are many accounts of LHO's whereabouts at all times. Have you checked to find his alleged location on the day of the alleged visit?

How do we know the alleged visit is not a hoax?

Jack

If you doubt image fakery, look at this.

Yes, that is today...but the Pentagon is years ahead in technology...today AND 50 years ago.

Jack

I studied all the JFK photos and movies for thirty years very intensively, before realizing that ALL images

are suspect, likely tampered with, faked or altered...and cannot be relied on forensically as proof of anything.

Phelps is about where I was 25 years ago...basically trusting that all photos and films are genuine.

Jack

PS...the H7 group and the painted in black patch on the back of the head has been discussed extensively.

Phelps needs to get up to speed on this observation, even though his observation matches the H7 group's.

Mr. Phelps makes some interesting postings, BUT...LBJ a JEW? He has to be kidding!

Jack

Click on the image to view FULL SIZE

Credit:: Craig Lamson

Correction:

Credit for that scan goes to Tink Thompson

Thanks Craig

I did understand that the original drumscan was Josiah Thompson's

but i wasn't sure if the version you uploaded had been modified or not. ?

Robin.

You are correct. That version is modifed from the original scan. I did levels and curves adjustments to restore the tonal balance and I also did some digital "dodging and burning to even out the overall exposure values over the entire image area.

which is called, WHAT ELSE: photo alteration... and you guys think altering the Z-film is difficult for those in the know circa 1963-64.... lmao! carry on, Craig!

Aha! After years of denial, they admit they ENHANCED the DRUM SCAN!

Jack

Credit: Jack White

Polaroid number four was NOT confiscated. It was a shot of Jean Hill's cop "boyfriend". She gave it to him

as a souvenir. Years later she wanted it back, and he said he "lost" it. This information comes directly from Jean.

Jack

Looking forward to it, thanks.

Researchers still have an opportunity to email or Twitter Gary Stover to suggest questions he might ask Mary Moorman.

Stover says: "From my contact with her, I can tell you she has a very different story from that of her friend and fellow witness, Jean Hill."

One can hope he asks good, informed questions.

http://www.iantique.com/vid.php?user=News&video_id=138

Question I would have: Did Mary make contemporaneous notes of what she observed? Has she see the exant Z-film? Has she been interviewed in the intervening years so we have a record of what she might have said? It is my recollection that David Lifton was able to speak with her in 1971 but without a tape-recorder. Am I mistaken ?(Don't have my copy of TGZFH with me)

Daniel, Mary was interviewed quite a bit on 11-22-63. She has also talked several times afterward.

From patspeer.com, chapter 7:

Mary Moorman was on the south side of Elm across from the Newmans. She can be seen in the Zapruder film, Nix film, and Muchmore film, as well as stills such as the Bond photo. She took a picture of Kennedy a split second after the impact of the head shot. (3:16 PM 11-22-63 WBAP interview, available on Youtube) (When asked why she took the photo at that moment) “That was the only chance I had. Mine is a Polaroid and I can only take one every ten seconds, and that was at that time whenever I took it. (When asked if she'd realized he'd been shot when she took the picture) "No I didn't. I must have snapped it immediately when he slumped, cause in the picture that’s the way she’s there and he’s slumped over.” (When asked if she'd seen the shooter) "No, I had taken the picture. And then the shots. And I decided it was time to fall on the ground." (3:30 PM 11-22-63 KRLD interview, transcribed by David Lifton and posted online by Jack White, 2-16-07) (When asked if she took her Polaroid picture before or after the first shot) “Evidently, just immediately, as the…cause he was, he was looking, you know, whenever I got the camera focused and then I snapped it in my picture, he slumped over.” (When asked how far way she was from Kennedy at this time) “10 or 15 foot, I, no, more…Because I fall behind my camera.” (When asked where she was standing) “We stepped out in the street. We were right at the car.” (When asked how many shots she heard) “Oh, oh, I don’t know. I think three or four is what I, uh, that I heard…that I’m sure of. Now, I don’t know, there might have been more. It just took seconds for me to realize what was happening. (When asked Kennedy’s response to the first shot.) “He grabbed his chest, and, of course, Mrs. Kennedy jumped up immediately and fell over him, and she said “My God, he’s been shot.” (When asked the reactions of others) “Uh, they hesitated just for a moment ‘cause I think they were like I was, you know—Was that a shot or was it just a backfire, or just what? And then, of course, he clutched himself and they immediately sped up, real fast, you know, like to get out of there. And, uh the police, there were several motorcycles around him, and uh, they stopped, and uh—one or two must have went with him. And one ran up the hill, and a friend that was with me ran up the hill across the street, from where the shots came from.” (When asked where the shots came from) “Oh, Lord. North. Just back there.” (When asked if this meant the shots were fired toward her) “Yes, sir.” “The sound popped, well it just sounded like, well, you know, there might have been a firecracker right there in the car.” (When asked again if her picture was taken before the shot) “Evidently, at the minute that he, that it hit him because, uh, we was we was looking, at me, or I mean, he was looking, you know, at the people when my picture came out. Then he just slumped over, so I must have got it.” (Describing her picture) “You could see he’s clutched, he’s bent over, and she’s…and she hadn’t even gotten up in my picture, and she did get up, stood up, in the car.” (11-22-63 WFAA interview, as quoted in Pictures of the Pain) “My picture when I took it was at the same instant that the President was hit, and that does show in my picture…it shows the President, uh, he slumped…It all happened so suddenly, I don’t think anyone realized, you know, what had happened.” (About the shots) “There was three or four real close together, and it must have been the first one that shot him, ‘cause that was the time I took the picture, and during that time after I took the picture, and the shots were still being fired, I decided I better get on the ground. I was no more than 15 foot from the car, and in the line of fire, evidently.” (11-22-63 statement to Dallas Sheriff’s Department, 19H487, 24H217) “As President Kennedy was opposite me, I took a picture of him. As I snapped the picture of President Kennedy, I heard a shot ring out. President Kennedy kind of slumped over. Then I heard another shot ring out and Mrs. Kennedy jumped up and said “My God, he has been shot!” When I heard these shots ring out, I fell to the ground to keep from being hit myself. I heard three or four shots in all.” (11-23-63 FBI, report, 22H838) “She took a second photograph of the President as his automobile passed her, and just as she snapped the picture, she heard what she first thought was a firecracker and very shortly thereafter heard another similar sound which she later determined to have been gunfire. She knows that she heard two shots and possibly a third shot. She recalls seeing the President sort of “jump” and start to slump sideways in the seat, and seems to recall President Kennedy’s wife scream “My God, he’s been shot!...She recalls that the President’s car was moving at the time she took the second picture, and when she heard the shots, and has the impression that the car either stopped momentarily or hesitated and then drove off in a hurry.”

(2-15-69 testimony in the trial of Clay Shaw) “as the Presidential limousine approached me I stepped forward to observe closer in order to take a picture, that is what I planned to do and just what I did....I heard three noises and they sounded like firecrackers.” (1997 interview on KRLD, as posted online by Debra Conway) "Uh, just immediately before the presidential car came into view, we were, you know, there was just tremendous excitement. And my friend who was with me ( Jean Hill ) we were right ready to take the picture. And she's not timid. She, as the car approached us, she did holler for the president. " Mr. President, look this way!” And I stepped out off the curb into the street to take the picture and snapped it immediately. And that evidently was the first shot. You know I could hear the sound. and…" (When asked if she recognized it as a rifle shot) "Oh no. A firecracker, maybe. There was another one just immediately following which I still thought was a firecracker. And then I stepped back up on to the grassy area. I guess just, people were falling around us, you know. Knowing something was wrong. I certainly didn't know what was wrong”. (Appearance in Discovery Channel program Unsolved History: Death in Dealey Plaza, first aired 2-26-2003. Transcript provided by James Fetzer) (Moorman is standing on the grass where she is seen in the Zapruder film) "I just stepped to the, uh, to the edge here, and Jean is hollering, "Look Mr. President, look our way!" and then I snapped the picture, which was at the same instant, evidently, as the bullet hit him, not realizing that's what had happened. But I did hear a noise, and then I could see people around me falling to the ground, or running, and doing--and that led me to know that something was happening."(April, 2007 interview on KRLD) (When asked how many shots she heard) "I heard three." (When asked what they sounded like) "I stepped up to snap a picture and at the instant that I snapped a picture there was a shot. And I know I stepped back a few steps and another shot. And then there was another one shortly in a matter of seconds...The first two were closer together than the last one."

You left out that in the latter, Gary Mack had to prompt repeated RETAKES by Mary to keep her from saying WE STEPPED INTO THE STREET.

Jack

Our leaders have become very amateurish in the way they attempt to cover up their misdeeds. What a ridiculous story this is; a crack team of Navy Seals assassinates the unarmed, #1 boogie man in the world, then disposes of his body at sea. Look at the opportunity that was lost; here we had the guy behind 911, and would have easily been able to bring him to trial, so that we could grill him mercilessly about the details of the attacks, thereby ending all this nasty controversy.

Kind of ironic, isn't it, that a man who was awarded the Nobel Peace prize is now being lauded for ordering an assassination. The same lover of "peace" who, if they decide to attack Pakistan too, can bring the record number of countries we are at "war" with to an incredible four at one time. When Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly are singing Obama's praises, it ought to be obvious to even the most brain dead American that our "two" party system is a joke.

What kind of credibility do our leaders have, that anyone would believe them about this? Remember, just the day before Obama was allegedly killed, the mainstream news was breathlessly reporting about Quaddafi's new squad of super rapists, armed with viagra. It was so absurd that they quickly denied the reports, but that kind of unbelievable allegation is now par for the course for them. Look at the photshopped picture of a supposedly dead Bin Laden that was initially released. It was discredited almost instantly. They can't even do a half adequate job of covering their tracks. That's why the ever trusty John McCainiac was quoted today as advising the authorities not to release any photos of the dead Bin Laden.

At this point, our leaders have to realize that trust has to be earned.

Don Jeffries is one of our few clear thinkers here.

Jack

Regarding the head movement. Dan Rather saw a copy of the Z-film(s) before anyone else in the press and while it was being suppressed from the public. As it is difficult to know what version he saw, we can't really draw firm conclusions without his help. It does not seem that he was forthcoming. He may have been told that his statements would be believed without question. It was his job to tell the public what to think. The curious tidbit about the turn onto Elm, however, could have just slipped out by mistake. Or he could have been mistaken.

Pamela,

In all due respect, Rather was not mistaken about the content regarding the turn onto Elm. Reality dictates that the limousine did, in fact, turn from Houston Street onto Elm Street irrespective

of whether or not any film shows the turn. However, he may have embellished the circumstances under which he claims to have seen the film. Indeed, there is considerable doubt as to whether

or not he even saw the film at all! Indeed, there is considerable doubt as to whether or not he was even in DALLAS at the time he claims to have been there!

But, I digress. If he really did see a film of the event--and it was an un-altered version--then it showed the turn onto Elm Street.

Rather's tale of waiting for a "film drop" west of the underpass is ludicrous and false. This puts in doubt other statements.

However, I believe he was in Dallas and played some active role...we just do not know what. What we do know is that

in the Dallas aftermath, he rose from obscurity to the CBS network, perhaps on the basis of what he DID KNOW.

Jack

Guide:How to piss off Native Americans

Published on Wednesday, May 4, 2011 by the Post Standard

Onondaga Nation Leaders Blast 'Geronimo' Codename for Bin Laden

by Charles McChesney

Onondaga Nation Territory -- Leaders of the Onondaga Nation blasted as “reprehensible” the code name used for Osama bin Laden in the commando assault that killed him: “Geronimo.”

“We’ve ID’d Geronimo,” U.S. forces reported by radio Sunday to the White House. Later, word came that “Geronimo” was dead.

Geronimo was an Apache leader in the 19th century who spent many years fighting the Mexican and U.S. armies until his surrender in 1886.

“Think of the outcry if they had used any other ethnic group’s hero,” the Onondaga Council of Chiefs said in a release Tuesday. “Geronimo bravely and heroically defended his homeland and his people, eventually surrendering and living out the rest of his days peacefully, if in captivity.”

“Geronimo is arguably the most recognized Native American name in the world,” the chiefs said, “and this comparison only serves to perpetuate negative stereotypes about our people.”

The chiefs said the incident revived memories of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s remark last year that Gov. David Paterson should “get yourself a cowboy hat and a shotgun” to deal with Indian affairs.

“It’s typical,” said Onondaga Tadodaho Sid Hill, the nation's spiritual leader. He said Geronimo was a hero to American Indians and it was incomprehensible that “they use him to identify a man like Osama Bin Laden.”

“Why would that be honorable to us?” he asked.

“All they know is just cowboys and Indians, the stuff they saw on TV.”

Hill said he had higher hopes for President Obama, who he said was adopted by the Blackfoot tribe during the 2008 election campaign. “Nobody seems to be able to see our side."

Loretta Tuell, staff director and chief counsel for the Senate Indian Affairs Committee, had a similar same reaction.

“These inappropriate uses of Native American icons and cultures are prevalent throughout our society, and the impacts to Native and non-Native children are devastating,” Tuell said.

Tuell is a member of the Nez Perce tribe and grew on the tribe’s reservation in Idaho.

Steven Newcomb, a columnist for the weekly newspaper Indian Country Today, criticized what he called a disrespectful use of a name revered by many Native Americans.

“Apparently, having an African-American president in the White House is not enough to overturn the more than 200-year American tradition of treating and thinking of Indians as enemies of the United States,” Newcomb wrote.

“It’s frustrating,” said Hill. “We just can’t let this slide again.”

© 2010 Syracuse Online LLC.

I concur with Elias Davidsson:

Barbaric (Written by European author Elias Davidsson):

...by Elias Davidsson on Osama bin Laden's murder

According to mass media, Osama bin Laden was murdered yesterday, on May 1st, 2011. He was murdered with "other family members", whose identity is still unknown. The President of the United States of America took credit for this act of murder. Murder is prohibited in every jurisdiction. It is regarded as a criminal act both under national and international law. President Barack Obama should henceforth be charged for ordering an act of outright murder.

1. Mass media report Americans "celebrating" the murder of Osama bin Laden. CNN reported that a crowd was singing "God Bless America" near Ground Zero and that outside the White House a crowd was "jubilating." Others reportedly sung the national hymn, as if murder was a patriotic act. Celebrating murder is a barbaric practice. Civilized people never condone murder, let alone celebrate it.

2. Osama bin Laden was not charged for any links to 9/11. U.S. leaders did not directly attribute to him the crime of 9/11. In March 2002, President George W. Bush said in a press conference that he was not anymore concerned by the fate or whereabouts Osama bin Laden (OBL). Was he lying, or was bin Laden already dead by that time, as reported in Pakistani media? The FBI admitted in 2006 that it possesses no "hard evidence" to connect OBL to the events of 9/11. This admission was made after a journalist discovered that the FBI fails to mention OBL's nexus to 9/11 on its website. Mass media have deliberately suppressed this lack of evidence, in order to keep the public supporting the war on Afghanistan and the "war on terrorism". President Barack Obama has now demonstrated his mendacity by suggesting that Osama bin Laden was responsible for the mass-murder of 9/11. Those reading the exact wording of his speech - in which he announced the murder of Osama bin Laden - will note that he did not directly link Osama bin Laden for 9/11. He merely suggested this allegation by rhetorical means, the typical conduct of a masterful swindler.

3. Even suspected criminals are entitled to a fair trial. At the very threshold of civilized conduct, persons may be sentenced to death after having been proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt by an impartial court for the most odious crimes. Osama bin Laden was accused of many crimes. But he was not proven guilty of any crime in a court of law. He was not charged for any connection to the mass-murder of 9/11. He was widely suspected to pose as a radical Muslim but actually acting for Western intelligence services in discrediting Islam. Whatever he ever said, or is alleged to have said, was, however, no ground for murder. To hound and murder a fugitive - if that was his condition - would make this murder particularly odious.

4. One of the persons murdered yesterday is alleged to have been Osama bin Laden. But this is not certain. According to CNN, an unnamed U.S. official said that bin Laden "was buried at sea". He explained that this was done in order to abide by "the Islamic tradition." How dare people who commit murder claim to have respect for religious traditions, let alone Islam? Do Muslims throw bodies of dead people into the sea? Another claimed that by throwing the body into the sea, the U.S. tried to prevent his burial ground to become a shrine, as if Osama bin Laden was widely perceived as a hero! The swift disposal of his body suggests, however, that the murderers were concerned that the public would discover that the victim was mutilated or that the body did not belong at all to Osama bin Laden.

5. The silence surrounding the identities of the "other family members" who also were murdered, demonstrates the disregard by the U.S. government for human lives. Even if their deaths was not directly desired, it was taken into account. Their killing would be considered under common law as "reckless murder", for which President Barack Obama must be held to account.

6. Congratulations by world leaders for this act of cowardly murder should raise concern to every member of the human family. When national leaders express their satisfaction over an act of outright murder, they forfeit their claim to remain in power. Decent people around the world should seek the removal from public office of any person who commends murder.

7. The murder of a person alleged to be Osama bin Laden is obviously an effort to revive the monstrous lie that Muslims committed the mass-murder of 9/11, a lie that is being increasingly exposed as the 10th anniversary of the mass-murder is approaching. The US government of Barack Obama has decided to enforce this lie by an act of cowardly murder and by further lies. These efforts will not succeed. This episode of evil will be duly documented and justice will prevail. The killers of Osama bin Laden must be charged, prosecuted and punished in order that such acts will not be repeated.

The above text was written under the impact of the shock that befell the author by learning about the cowardly murder and the barbaric sequels to that murder. Those who doubt some of the claims made above are invited to request sources from the author.

Elias Davidsson

Bonn, Germany

2 May 2011, 11:00 a.m. GMT

Al-Qaeda founder and leader Osama Bin Laden is dead, according to US media reports citing officials.

The US is in possession of Bin Laden's body, the reports say. President Barack Obama is due to make a statement shortly.

Bin Laden is top of the US most wanted list.

He is accused of being behind a number of atrocities, including the attacks on New York and Washington on 11 September 2001.

The al-Qaeda leader was killed in a mansion outside Islamabad in an operation based on actionable US intelligence, CNN reported.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13256676

Clearly a manufactured event to take the spotlight off of Obama COLB.

Jack