Lee Forman

AMSPELL would be the overarching program, and AMHINT and AMBARB would be projects under that AMSPELL program. The AMHINT project would be composed of AMHINT agents, ditto for AMBARB. AMSPELL\AMHINT AMSPELL\AMBARB [as of July 1962, around 80 agents in the field, Evelio Ley acting as coodinator] Any idea on additional crypto's that could be added to the tally? AMHINT-02, 'Secretary General in Exile,' July, 1962, had not returned from Helsinki, so meetings had to be postponed. One of the acting Secretary Generals for the DRE at that time would be Luis Fernandez-Rocha - AMHINT-53 [nom de guerre, or war name - 'Felippe.] - not clear on who the Secretary General in Exile may be for AMHINT-02. As of Oct 10, 1962: http://cuban-exile.com/doc_351-375/doc0374.html

"we had been operating a damned Murder Inc. in the Carribean." 'Buttle' referred to in above referenced document is probably not 'Tuttle' but 'Butler' AM crypto = Cuban ops AMSPELL delegate = Carlos Bringuier - DRE AMHINT-01 is unknown, but DRE AMHINT-02 is unknown AMHINT-05 is unknown AMHINT-19 is unknown AMHINT-25 is Victor Espinosa Hernandez - DRE AMHINT-26 is John Gene Koch - DRE, 2506 Koch Gene, Herman---- I believe this was his brother that was killed during the BOP action - 'looks white' AMHINT-40 is unknown, but DRE AMHINT-46 - Mother wrote letter to AMHINT-2, AMHINT-5, AMHINT-53 and AMBARD-34[94?] AMHINT-53 is Luis Fernandez Rocha - DRE, Wave ASSET, worked with Radio Swan which connects him to DA Phillips AMHINT-56 Juan Francisco Blanco Fernandez, participated in DRE raids on Cuba, Wave asset, 201-332676 Anyone have access to Farrell's site that can see if this is worth anything? CABLE: PROP TEAM ASSIGNED CRYPTOS AMHINT 1,2,3,4 pg 1 Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm - reel 17: Ruiz - Webster) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DOCUMENT INFORMATION ORIGINATOR CIA FROM DIRECTOR TO JMASH TITLE CABLE PROP TEAM ASSIGNED CRYPTOS AMHINT 1,2,3,4 DATE 11/06/60 PAGES RIF#: 104-10181-10346 (11/06/60) CIA#: 80T01357A CABLE: PROP TEAM ASSIGNED CRYPTOS AMHINT 1,2,3,4 pg 2 Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm - reel 17: Ruiz - Webster) In,D CJ= ACtP~A S/C 2 I t t o t .1-MASH KABANA SANTIAGO DE CUBA 1Nf0 HAVA SACU F.v.a C ECTOR CONT .e. C 100'i-NG tI tOUTINE .RIOEITY OPERATIONAL IMMEDIATE N c t Ro Ninr PROP TEAM ASSIGNED CRYPT% 1 2 3 4 IDEI FOLLOW J D ,LSTZRLDCE C/WH/4 AVTRIMTICAT$N RIF#: 104-10181-10346 (11/06/60) CIA#: 80T01357A

Good stuff... http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKpfeiffer.htm http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...ost&p=37365 Joe Backe's stuff... James Richards Spartacus James again... Pfeiffer interview transcript Bissell http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/bayofpigs/bissellinterv.pdf Looks like Victor Espinosa Hernandez was AMHINT-25 http://books.google.com/books?id=CYwluOC30...6#PRA1-PA193,M1 AMHINT-19 reference http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...do?docId=108181

well, it is believed that this is Boy Georgi right here.

Something like that.

I did make a comment along those lines. Didn't Georgi Visko sell wheat? Promise to check it out as soon as I am able and follow along... - lee

...and the care provided afterwards... Somewhere, someone credits Sorrels with being amazed by this [Palamara has a reference using this expression], but I cannot discover an original reference... Providing artificial respiration to a gut shot victim, according to Manchester someplace, is like applying a bellows to a fire. Sounds logical. If you consider this event in 2009, someone receiving a similar gut shot wound, with a response by a trained paramedic of artificial respiration, and death ensuing, I can't see losing the lawsuit - unless it was with the ghost of Henry Wade presiding. Like Ron Ecker I have also seen lots of movies (grin), but the most convincing discussion of how and why gunshot wound victims first lose consciousness and then later die occurred on a discussion by an ER MD on The Most Dangerous Warrior. The consciousness issue is dependent on the severity of the sudden drop in blood pressure in the first few seconds and the onset of shock accompanying the rupture of multiple internal organs, as in the case of Oswald, or the severing of any major veins, arteries or capillaries. If 3 or 4 sealed organs ruptured at once it would as Lee described it be roughly equivalent to puncturing your brake lines in 3 or 4 places at once. The resulting sudden drop in pressure within your brake fluid system would cause your brakes to perform miserably the next time you touched them. And likewise a person standing vertically would have about 1/2 of the blood in his head leaving for parts South within a few seconds causing almost an instantaneous fainting spell leading to loss of consciousness. And I said that "Guns and Gore can yield no more" in 1993. And I still believe that. What did I know? Very interesting John - and that also makes a great deal of sense. Gary Mack informed me [thanks Gary!] that the individual in question, Beiberdorf, was under the impression that Oswald had no pulse / no heartbeat - in which case, he would have been justified to proceed with resuscitation - and, interestingly enough, Beiberdorf says he massaged the sternum - I believe that this would be different from CPR... http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...p;relPageId=181 http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/bieberdo.htm

Depends upon the severity of the wound received.... ...and the care provided afterwards... Somewhere, someone credits Sorrels with being amazed by this [Palamara has a reference using this expression], but I cannot discover an original reference... Providing artificial respiration to a gut shot victim, according to Manchester someplace, is like applying a bellows to a fire. Sounds logical. If you consider this event in 2009, someone receiving a similar gut shot wound, with a response by a trained paramedic of artificial respiration, and death ensuing, I can't see losing the lawsuit - unless it was with the ghost of Henry Wade presiding.

An excellent post - however Glen, you would have been better smearing another member of this forum with absolute rubbish and nonsense, or babbling about where you think Mary Moorman was standing, if you really wanted to elucidate any kind of real interest and response here nowadays. Keep up the good work! There are a few of us that think there is a lot of merit to the Loy Factor account, and your post had a lot of interesting and solid information contained in it. - lee

Awful lot on youtube now with respect to the anti-gravity and disc experiments - including our own. Tight security, superconductors, high voltage, use of mercury, magnetism, aerodynamic designs, etc. Quite a bit of material by folks today who believe that they have been targetted by black budgets for ridicule in this space - however, the Nazi Bell and Fly-Trap are excellent historical testimonies. Thanks to Smitty for hipping me to this clip on the flytrap. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQejfpixIvA This one is a bit long and boring. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFw5B9qg2QI...feature=related Just wanted to make the connection to the 'Suspicious Vehicles' post and this one [link below]...I find Vinson's account quite credible, and the possibility of the landing of two of the Dallas participants at Area 51 facinating when one considers all of the implications. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...st&p=165823

The C54 McDonnell Douglas that Robert Vinson claimed picked up the two men close to the Trinity River in his book 'Flight from Dallas' was met by a yellow Jeep. Too much of a coincident on the Redbird incident - which Hemming told me was also a C54 - he said he had a photo of the plane in question, which he claimed had also been used clandestinely for some of the drug running which he was engaged in prior to his conviction, and that he knew the pilot of the plane - and it was not Tosh Plumlee. Approximately 6:20 "The Jeep was a yellow type, looked like a road jeep - they used on roads for repairing them - yellowish..." The Jeep was being driven by another man, who let off the two individuals in beige colored coveralls - one resembled Lee Oswald, and the other was taller, latin, possibly Cuban - and drove off. Vinson provided no description of the driver of the vehicle. "Two men jumped from the jeep and ran to the airplane. The jeep backed up and out of Bob‘s sight. With the engines still running, one of the crew cameout of the cockpit to unhinge and shove open the passenger door so the two men could board the plane. They wore offwhite, beige coveralls such as those worn by repairmen who work on streets, highways or sewers. The taller of the two -- a Latino, Bob took him to be Cuban -- shut and locked the door. He stood 6 feet to 6-1 and weighed between 180 and 190. The shorter one, a Caucasian, was 5-7 to 5-9, weighing 150 to 160. The two walked past Bob without a word or a look, and took seats up front right behind the cockpit. They didn‘t say a word, to him or to each other.The plane taxied for a few yards, then turned and -- about 15 minutes after it set down -- took off headed northwest, the way it had landed. Obviously, Bob thought, they were following orders. They knew what they were doing, and didn‘t have to explain anything to him. He was just hitching a ride. Besides, they were no doubt upset by the fact that the president had been shot. So was he. It wasn‘t a time to be bothering strangers asking questions. So he kept quiet too. Around dusk, the plane landed again and taxied to the edge of a runway. But they weren‘t in Denver‘s Lowry. Bob didn‘t recognize the air base. The cockpit door opened, and the two crewman came barreling down the aisle. The two passengers followed. Without a word, or even a look at him, they rushed past him and out the door of the plane. He watched them disappear into the darkness of the seemingly deserted base. Were they coming back to go on to Denver? Why were they in such a rush? Where were they? Bob Vinson sat there a few moments trying to make sense of the strangest flight of his life." As per Vinson, he ended up learning that the plane had landed at the secret airbase - also known as area 51.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pweuPLTVfl4 Best source for Newman's original impressions. - lee

It has the appearance of being three individuals - a man at the left, then a woman, and a child. Still think it would be worthwhile to figure out who was in this office - however, doesn't look like anything suspicious, and may match what we see in the Willis photo - in which case, this office could perhaps be eliminated in the process. I enhanced this crop from your last post Robin - and added a bit of coloring. - lee

With many thanks to Robin Unger - a view of the Records Building around 12:43pm, from a higher quality Murray. The crops have been enlarged and slightly tweaked for contrast. It would be nice to be able to use a negative or a first day glossy B&W print for higher res. Assuming Don is correct, in 1963 these 4 windows would represent two separate offices. Are these the individuals that normally occupied these offices in 1963? If so, what are their names, and what do they remember that day? How long were they in, or out, of their offices? Wish I could get a better look at the window in red. - lee

Here's a question I don't think I've heard posed before: who was standing on either end of this trajectory such that they might've been hit by the bullet on its way to this location, or by the ricochet afterward? This shot - if that's what it was - seems particularly inboard of the plaza and away from the limousine, someone with a bad aim: how many feet would it have been away from the limo if the limo was directly to the left as we view this photo? What was the angular difference? How far "off" was this shooter, and how did he manage not to hit anyone else in his ineptitude? Hey Duke! If you read all the bits and pieces here - I think the only logical conclusion one can reach is that this bullet went on to buck up the turf in this area, and was buried. What that says to me is a much lower elevation that the rooftop. What the point was - no clue. If it was a botched shot from Records - well - too bad JFK Research isn't the Forensics Files - where they'd get out a bunch of gear - including laser pointers, and recreations using similar rounds, they would have a chain of evidence and perform significant tests for rifling, etc., and zero in on the actual location. But because this case was closed and the deck stacked - well...as the people all seem to say in that show - if it wasn't for a whole lot of people seeking justice - the case would have remained unsolved. That seems to be the prevalent theme. In that area: - We have Barrett the FBI guy [aka the Mystery Man] pocketing a bullet - sorry, I don't see it any other way. No reference. - We have Buddy Walthers relating tales of his having also collected a bullet from this locale - which he planned to leave to his son. Larry Sneed's reference. - We have Tosh Plumlee who claims that yet another bullet was recovered from this location - and provided some form of documentation on it. Education Forum. - There is the WC testimony of the shot that bucked the grass and the ignorant comment about retrieving the pellet. - There are the claims about the furrows in the grass - Hartman - no handy reference. - There is the scoring of the concrete on the apron as per the photos. I think it is even possible that the agent that spoke to Jean Hill may have been mistaken about the location of the puff of dust he claimed that they should have seen - and Hill may have been accurate about the location she read about in the newspaper. And intriguing possibility. But not too inept if they managed to eliminate their target and blame it all on a soon-to-be dead commie with no friends. Got to give credit where it's due. - lee

I think there is also another possibility - if she is in the process of trying to sooth the child, she could have been captured by Darnell in the process of rotating on her hips - moving the baby from side-to-side. That would create the awkward looking angle to the feet. I am still liking it. If you compare the man on the stairs in different media - his sweater is lighter [Nix] and darker [Muchmore]. The stain seen in the Darnell could have been the result of the broken bottle - that one is still a bit odd. - lee

Hey Bernice - I had some similar thoughts. I think Robin is on the right track. The woman in the Darnell seems without a doubt the same as the one seen in the Murray - the only notable exception is the lighter colored sweater. There could be a simple explanation - she had the sweater off at 12:30, and redonned it when they left the area of the bench. On the sweater on the man - it appears to be differently shaded or colored depending upon what you are looking at - much like Hudson's shirt - esp when compared to the Towner. On Sitzman - doesn't seem so open and shut. Especially when one is dealing with a child. The man could have come running up the stairs, grabbed the child while she gathered up her things, and then they could have moved off. If she is BDM - and I still think it has a lot of merit - esp given the dark color of the shirt she appears to have been wearing sans the light sweater we see her in later - she would in all likelihood NOT been seated on the bench at the time of the arrival of the motorcade? The bench would be convenient to take care of the child - until the big event. I like it. I tried my best to enhance the highest quality Willis I have to see if there was anything better I could so - it's simply not happening. And mine is pretty good. For fun, a look at the Moorman, with the man on the stairs to provide some sort of scale. - lee

Hey Chris - what was the source for this photo? Was this taken during Oswald's transfer? Any idea as to the location? Incredible. - lee

Thanks Bernice - this is further down from Elm - but it's still of some usefulness to be sure. Also I was very impressed by the one Chris Davidson pulled out. But the fact of the matter is - it really doesn't mean much of anything - only that it was possible. And in dispelling the myth about the windows not opening - and coupling it with Hemming's comments about the use of silencers, as an example - it has even more validity. Still more to come - hopefully. And thanks to Stephen Roy - I hadn't realized that he had already pointed out the google maps street view - this is new since the time I had originally found the work someone had done - which was from the 'x' which made it the most relevant - give or take a few feet in either direction. - lee

Not it, but close enough for a 'leaner' in horseshoes. http://virtualvisitor.com/dealey/dealey.html http://www.geocities.com/charles_islas/dealyplaza.html http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/spe/2005/jfk/ Google maps also has a 'street view' today for Elm St - you can plug in 402 Elm Street and get a nice view. I see no reason to believe that a shot from the Records Building 2nd wasn't a possible for the shot to the back of Kennedy's head. That tree would have been quite a bit smaller - as demonstrated by Don Bailey and Chris Davidson. The concrete structure would also not create an obstacle. Beer and pretzels, - lee

Hear hear! I myself am not convinced of a Gordon Arnold being located where White and Mack placed him - I many times believe that he may have in fact been the individual seen on the stairs [whom I have theorized as BDM and a possible close range shooter - which simply isn't the most logical solution] - CLEARLY - in early versions of the Moorman - INCLUDING the Fort Worth Herald. I see no reason why the man would make up his story - and again, successfully demonstrated that his account - on the steampipe - could be true, as it was very well insulated with some form of insulation at the point where he claimed to have crossed. And this was once a major point of contention! Given Holland's account of the parking area - and their having been forced to leap automobiles to gain access to the area - crossing the steampipe where Arnold claimed that he did would make perfect sense...in addition to the account [?] in the Warren Report of the young man who was refused access to the railroad bridge overpass [not going to look it up] - I remain a staunch supporter of a Gordon Arnold possibility. As opposed to all of the infighting - why not settle by seeking to move forward on something positive? Find Arnold's kin and question them, for example? As Hemming used to joke, aren't we counting the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin here? FWIW. I certainly will not partake in any XXXXXXX match myself here - so have at it. It simply occurs to me that time could be spent more profitably in other activities. XXXX - there are so many loose ends and research possibilities it boggles the mind - I just got a new lead today - can you guys bury the hatchet? - lee Edited by moderator due to langauge.

for the hell of it... Using Roberdeau's plat - we see that the area of z223 just comes into view - with the large concrete structure no longer blocking the view from the righthandmost windows on the 2nd floor Records. And with respect to z313 - the furthermost windows of the record building may have had a clear view - its a difficult prospect given the growth of the trees in that part over the past 40+ years. Rice and beans, - lee Edit: Don, I believe that you can safely remove that odd vehicle parked along the fence. Although it pains me to say it, I believe that Tim was mistaken. It was made very clear to me by Jim Conner that this was a driving lane in 1963 - and based upon my own experiments and working with Robin Unger - I believe that I was mistaken as well. The car seen in Nix is not entirely visible from the vantage point of Mary Moorman - and is in all likelihood parked in a lane away from the fence, as seen in one of the Murray aftermath photos. It is the difference in perspective which created the confusion - as Nix was at a different elevation than Moorman.

I don't see that as relevant for the simple task I am hoping to accomplish. It is a simple matter of a view from the 'X' to the Records Building windows - which would be taken with a grain of salt, since the growth on the trees in that park would have to be taken into consideration since 1963 timeframe. I used this tool in the past, and found it very interesting. I am no longer able to locate it - only 3d nonsense constructs in virtual reality. In the meanwhile - if you would like that scan I did of an 11/23 print of the Altgens crop - which I would imagine should hold some interest for you - shoot me an email at lforman23@comcast.net. Thanks. - lee

There used to be a site where you could virtually stand on the 'x' on Elm St - approximately Kennedy's location at z313, and look around in 360 degrees - anyone know where that site may be? - lee

Beers photographed the removed signs Hicks spoke about around 2:30 when the three hobos are marched through Dealey Plaza. A few of the people standing on the north side of Elm are people I’d like to speak with but there is no record of their identities. In the Altgens 6 photo, you see 3 women looking away from the limo that just passed by… 2 of the 3 women together are looking up in the direction of the 2nd floor of the CRB. It is my opinion these women observed the shooter in the CRB. Don Hey Don. I don't mean to rain on the parade, however: Jim Hicks pointed out things to Garrison for which I have never found any kind of record. "Here" and "Here" are meaningless. From what I gathered, I once "assumed" it was one of the smaller signs attached to the Stemmons Freeway sign. I don't know that anyone has successfully demonstrated that as fact - so what would be more likely would be the street signs a bit closer to the corner of the Elm St extension - which are hardly covered anywhere for a before-and-after view. The signs in the Beers photo appear to be of the nature of the temporary "No Parking signs" which were put up all around the motorcade route. If there was an individual in Records using a silencer - I would be much more interested in the original tenants of that office, and what they may have encountered upon their return - eg, smell of gundpowder. It seems clear from reading the various accounts I collected together in a previous post here - in their entirety - that shots sounded loudly from the parking area on the 'mall' and the TSBD - drawing all attention away from the Records Building entirely. The witnesses seen looking in a different direction could be reacting to the sound of a shot fired from the TSBD - nice and loud. From that location one would imagine that the DalTex would provide a very nice reflection for the sound of that shot. - lee