Allan Eaglesham

"General" Activities at the Bethesda Morgue, 22 November 1963: Posthumous words of an eyewitness lead to a new theory http://www.manuscrip...vice.com/McHugh/ Allan Eaglesham

Marvin and Pitzer: http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Pitzer/Article-8.html

Thank you, Bernice: A more up-to-date discussion of the "Pitzer" movie is provided here: http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Pre-AutopsyPhotographs/#knudsen A general discussion of the information pertaining to LCDR Pitzer's death and its interpretation is here: http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Pitzer/ And opinions from forensic experts on the Pitzer autopsy photographs are here: http://www.manuscriptservice.com/WBP-Resolution/ Allan

"[New work by Doug Horne] teaches us that the actual chain of custody of Abraham Zapruder's home movie, from November 23rd-25th, 1963, is not anything close to what it was represented to be for years, and in fact indicates an extremely high level of interest in [the] movie by the U.S. government during the three days immediately following President Kennedy's assassination..." Doug's fascinating and fundamentally important new work may be accessed at http://lewrockwell.c...rne-d1.1.1.html and at my website http://www.manuscrip.../NPIC-DougHorne/ Allan

David: Your suggestion is certain plausible, but I don’t think that it is likely. Humes and Boswell were well recognized figures and it would have attracted unwanted attention if they were seen maneuvering a casket. Such grunt work would always be done by navy corpsmen. Carriage of caskets into and out of the morgue would have been a common occurrence and part of the duty of enlisted men. In my opinion, a likely scenario is that a detail of corpsmen did the job. They may have been told that the casket had to be removed because it had been damaged. They may have been given no information at all, but simply told to take it from the morgue and to place it in the ambulance, at which point they would have been quickly dismissed so that they did not witness the arrival of the honor guard. Allan

Many thanks, Allan. Question: doesn't the strange nature of the back wound raise suspicions? I don't think you touched on this in the book. Regards, Daniel Daniel: Thank you. There is a discussion of the back wound, but possibly not with the emphasis you have in mind. Allan Of course there is a discussion of the back wound, and it is much appreciated. But since wound alteration is a major theme of your work, I expected some discussion of it with regards to the strange nature of the back wound, even the way it is described by Humes. Too hot to handle? Respectfully, Daniel Daniel: I forwarded your query to Jim -- This wound is presumed to correspond to the 7x4 wound annotated by Dr. Boswell on his autopsy face sheet. What caused it would be speculation. Allan

Many thanks, Allan. Question: doesn't the strange nature of the back wound raise suspicions? I don't think you touched on this in the book. Regards, Daniel Daniel: Thank you. There is a discussion of the back wound, but possibly not with the emphasis you have in mind. Allan

"Aftermath of the JFK Assassination: Parkland Hospital to the Bethesda Morgue" A synthesis of the events of the afternoon and evening of 11/22/63, particularly for those new to the subject but also as a consciousness-raiser for those well versed in the JFK assassination. Available as a free download: - Large format - 50 pages - 15,000 words - Seven illustrations - Index Also available from Amazon as an ebook. Details: http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Aftermath/

Ralph, I can see how you could be persuaded that "Headless man" is stockier. However Robin Unger, whose image is below, has pointed out that that figure B is obscuring this mans righthand side. The image of "headless man" is a composite of what how much of this man Altgens can see + the image of B. In Altgens you do not see just "Headless man." You see both and you are suggesting that it is only "Headless man" whereas it is a composite of two figures. Therefore it is impossible to say whether he is, or is not, stockier. I can also see how you could be persuaded that this man is dressed all in white. But that is probably also a mistake. If you look at the image above you will see a row of people standing in front of him. On the right is a woman with a white top and behind her is another woman. And behind that woman appears to be part of the shape of someone else. This person is in front of "Headless man." That shape is in white and it that which is obscuring the man legs and suggesting that he is wearing white trousers. Because the image of this person is blocking the lower part of "Headless man" you cannot see the colour of his trousers. James. James: Not from Robin this time. I take full responsibility for the lettered collage. Allan

Charlie: Since this thread is titled "William Pitzer," I took your words "....much evidence in this case has been altered or very selectively chosen..." to refer to the Pitzer case in particular rather than to the JFK assassination in general. My mistake. Allan

Charlie: I am not looking for you to join any flock. You said: "It (i.e. suicide) was apparently acceptable enough.....It hasn't been overturned in the past 40 years. Do you really feel that it will be?" I feel that if it can be overturned it will be achieved by obtaining the facts to the extent possible, with FOIA requests and tracing and interviewing witnesses -- not by speculation and extrapolation from one case to another. I think it reasonable to ask you for specific reasons why you made two particular statements. You didn't give me specifics, but answered in general terms. It appears that you have no proof that the evidence has been altered or selectively chosen other than your suspicions vis-a-vis the motives of those who investigated the case. Allan

Hi Charlie: Evidence that was released under FOIA appeared to be indicative of murder -- the third defect in the skull (described in the autopsy protocol) is the best example, which was apparently consistent with what looks like a bullet wound in the left temple in the death-scene photograph. By your philosophy, it would seem odd that those ingenious people didn't make the case for suicide more readily acceptable. You said: "I feel, as probably do you, along with many others, that much evidence in this case has been altered or 'very selectively chosen'." Please be specific. What evidence has been altered? What evidence has been selectively chosen? Thank you. Allan

Yes, Pitzer did have "camera experience" and may have had a copy of a film of the JFK autopsy. But is that evidence that he was murdered? "Clearly he was murdered..."? Clearly? What's your evidence for homicide?

Charles: Is there any point in making FOIA requests for documentation and photographs if you reject their evidentiary value if they do not fit your preconceived notions? That old saying comes to mind: "Please don't confuse me with the fact, I have already made up my mind." Two questions should be considered separately until there is evidence that they are linked: 1. Was William Pitzer murdered? 2. Did he at any time have in his possession a movie film of the Kennedy autopsy? I don't see any evidence that he was murdered and only Dennis David has stated that Pitzer was in possession of a movie film of the Kennedy autopsy within a few days of the assassination. There is no evidence that Pitzer retained possession of any JFK-autopsy photographic materials. Allan

How could we believe that Pitzer killed himself with this negative paraffin test and the further conclusion of the pistol being three feet away? There are so many suspicious deaths surrounding this case. The Grave of William Bruce Pitzer Peter: Things are not always as they seem on the surface. You make a fundamental error if you extrapolate from any one suspicious death to another. Each must be judged on its own merits. Allan ------------------------- Quotes below are from http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Pitzer/homrecon.html 1. NEGATIVE PARAFFIN TEST "In discussing this aspect previously [1], I made the assumption that a dermal nitrate test was referred to in the FBI report; in the early 1960s, "paraffin test" and "dermal nitrate test" were synonymous. With closer inspection of the hand-written laboratory notes (see Figure), I realized that I was in error. The autopsy doctors prepared paraffin casts of the palm and back of LCDR Pitzer's right hand, presumably expecting them to be used for dermal-nitrate analysis, unaware that the FBI had since replaced this test for analysis of gunshot-residue metals barium (Ba) and antimony (Sb) by flame atomic absorption spectroscopy. For the latter test, acid-moistened cotton swabs are taken directly from the skin. It appears that the laboratory technician did what he could to collect samples from the surfaces of the paraffin casts, concentrating on dark particles 1-4 from the back of the hand and dark particles 5-8 from the palm, none of which tested positively for barium or antimony. The technician was strictly truthful in saying, "Examination of (the) paraffin cast reflected no substance characteristic of, or which could be associated with, gunpowder or gunshot residue," but clearly this was not the whole story. The assay was not performed properly and there was the clear possibility of false negative results. Most significantly, however, the cast from the back of the hand revealed the presence of "large amounts of blood, skin, and hair" (see Figure). Blowback of tissues had occurred from the entry wound onto the back of the hand, some of which had been immobilized in the paraffin cast. The right hand had, indeed, been close to the right temple at the moment of discharge" 2. Lack of Tattooing Around the Entry Wound in the Right Temple "In March of 2004, I saw about a dozen of the autopsy photographs, as good-quality color prints. I confirmed that there was no wound in the left temple. I had with me Vincent J.M. Di Maio's book Gunshot Wounds: Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques (Elsevier, 1985); the wound in LCDR Pitzer's right temple was closely similar to a hard contact wound of the head from a .38 revolver."

Ron: Thanks for mentioning this. For interested non-subscribers, the "Rambler" piece will be the featured article from the October 2006 issue of DPQ, available free of charge. I hope to have it on the website http://www.manuscriptservice.com/DPQ on Saturday morning. Allan

Admittedly, I've been busy doing things you can only dream of: making a living; making love; not falling asleep in a recliner; being regular; etc. Just think how much more peaceful it'll be when God yanks your cord. Has your Irish sense of humor deserted you, or did you forget to take your meds today? You should be ashamed of yourself.

Dave: Probably more cheese is produced in Wisconsin than in Holland. So, go ahead. Allan

Wim: A truth fanatic, eh? -------------------------------------- f Pitzer committed suicide, the world is flat. He was lefthanded... And what also comes from that recently surfaced FBI report: he was shot twice in the head, the first apparently did not kill him. That's a little difficult with suicide, is it not? And by the way, Pitzer HAD his own film and copies of the autopsy photographs, showing a clear neat little entrance wound in JFK's right temple. He was scared to death what to do with them, but he allegedly wanted to make them public upon his (soon to be) retirement. ... Wim (excerpted from http://www.jfk-info.com/discus/messages/23...html?1020118818 ) -------------------------------------- -- Where is your proof that LCDR Pitzer was left-handed? -- Where is your proof that he was shot twice in the head? -- Where is your proof that he had his own film and photographs from the JFK autopsy? -- Where is your proof that he was scared to death? -- Where is your proof that he intended to make the JFK photographic materials public on his retirement? Your "truth" is what other people say and what fits your agenda. Allan Eaglesham

Jack: Dan Marvin also, in my opinion. Allan Dr. Allan Eaglesham has again shown either total ignorance of the truth or a contiuing desire to assist those evil ones in government from masking the truth that I have worked continually to bring forth since January 1984. Perhaps he and you readers should read my new book Dr Eaglesham - titled "Victory Edition - Expendable Elite - One Soldier's Journey Into Covert Operations." (Call 1-800-556-2012 and ask for a signed copy) First, the CIA through the Special Forces Association (SFA) attempted using fear to get the first edition off the market. Dr Eaglesham has seen the threatening letter from the SFA to publisher Robert (Kris) Millegan and he has read the letter from Bob Logan's attorney to Bob Logan telling of the threatening telephone call from James Dean (Secy, SFA) and Dr Eaglesham knows of the many threats levied against my family and friends through Congressman Matthew McHugh's office. The SFA attempted also to itimidate us prior to the trial in the latter part of January of this year that found Kris Millegan and I not guilty of writing and publishing a book of lies (it was indeed 100% truth) with profanities and certain behavioural facts removed so that children of all ages could read of the wonderful nature of the 64,000 Buddhist Hoa Haos in my area and the heinous actions of our military and political hierarchy that abandoned those wonderful South Vietnamese people. The jury was quick and unanimous in their verdict and also honored my personal request made direct to them by me when I was on the witness stand to not hurt my men who had been the plaintiffs inasmuch as they were the very best soldiers in battle and in caring for the Hoa Haos. People like Dr Eaglesham will twist that around to say the jury had ruled for them and for Kris and I. I encourage you to read the record and you will then know the truth. Not difficult to understand - I went to trial, bringing with me four boxes of factual evidence to prove my case and they - the 7 plaintiffs and their 3 attorneys - came with none other than what we had provided them. The truth did make us free!! I hope and pray that someday Dr Allan Eaglesham will surrender to truth. There will be another book out - likely in 2008 - "THE DEVIOUS ELITE - Fifty Years of Subterfuge - From the Mental Scrapbook of Retired Green Beret Lieutenant Colonel Dangerous Dan Marvin" It will include much documentation about those who I include as the "Devious Elite" with Dr. Allan Eaglesham being one of them who will have his actions told with much documentation. I pray that each and every person in this forum will one day recognize that Judyth Baker is one brave woman dealing with the truth while fighting a myriad of those who would want to preclude the dissemination of truth of the heinous deeds of our government. Time will tell and the TRUTH will out. I know in my heart that Dr Allan Eaglesham was most likely as shoked and surprised as the CIA and The Special Operations Command who went to great length to destroy official records (even my Officer Efficiency Reports) that the Jury dealt with the truth and were unafraid to let the world know through their verdict who was right and who was attempting to deny the world the truth. Please go to our website ( www.ExpendableElite.com ) and you can read articles published after the trial by two who were there (Tim Bates and Greg Sczymanski). A good share of documents provided judge and jury are in my Victory Edition. Get it - and know the truth. Your friend who crusades for the truth. Need I say more? By the way, the jury found that Marvin had not libelled the men in his A-team -- the verdict was not a comment on the truthfulness of the book. Regarding Greg Szymanski [correct spelling], in an article last September he quoted Marvin as follows: "I knew Jimmy Files on the streets when he was a kid and later when we were both in the 82nd Airborne Division," recalls Lt. Col. Marvin. "Jimmy was the guy on the grassy knoll in Dallas who put a bullet in Kennedy's head. The mafia was infiltrated by the CIA and the mob hired Jimmy to carry it out. He's still alive, admitted doing it and I still communicate with him. In fact, I emailed him three weeks ago. "There were four shooters involved in the Kennedy assassination, two were Americans and two were from the Corsica Mafia. The "company' as they like to be called, asked me if I wanted to be a part of the team and if I didn't have a wife and children, I probably would have said yes." http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2005/09/111017.shtml Marvin didn't object to this content. Only after I questioned the author was the reference to Files changed and the reference to Marvin being asked by the CIA to kill President Kennedy deleted from the original location of the article. (The original article may be read at the above URL.)

deleted by AE

Jack: Dan Marvin also, in my opinion. Allan

Bill: Up to a couple of years ago, I was of the strong opinion that Lieutentant Commander William B. Pitzer had been murdered. I pushed as hard as I could for a reopening of the case, and was in communication with Naval Investigative Service S/A Dave DiPaola. He instituted a review of available information, to appraise the need to reopen the case. He decided that there was no "heartbeat," as he called it, and the case remained closed. After I obtained a copy of a photograph of the death scene -- which seemed to show a left-temple bullet wound -- I met with S/A DiPaola at the National Naval Medical Center, Bethesda. He gave me three and a half hours of his time; feeling that the photograph was open to interpretation, he did not agree with me that the case should be reopened. Later I was able to see the autopsy photographs and came to the conclusion that there is no direct evidence for homicide. More details on the above are available at the URLs I provided in an earlier post in this thread. For what it is worth -- a lay opinion -- I believe that William Pitzer killed himself. Unfortunately, the autopsy photographs are in the possession of members of the family who will not release them for examination by forensic experts. I have tried several times to obtain copies under the FOIA, without success. If anyone knows of a FOIA lawyer willing to work pro bono and sue for release of the photographs, please e-mail me at aeaglesh@twcny.rr.com. Allan

Got you on Marshall murder, Dawn. As for Boggs, Peter, you must understand that his is not a list of suspicious deaths, but of deliberate homicides, which are still open cases and that official investigations are continuing. BK Bill: On what basis do you describe the Pitzer case as an unsolved homicide with an on-going investigation? Thank you. Allan

Bill: With reference to #20: http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Pitzer http://www.manuscriptservice.com/Pitzer/opinion.html Allan