Jamey Flanagan

I get so sick of assassination buffs on either side of the fence slamming another person's theory as "preposterous" or other such words!

You don't have to agree with every theory presented by every author out there but I'll tell you that I haven't heard a theory yet quite as preposterous as the "official story" presented by the Warren Commission!

First of all, I give anyone credit who sees that the "official story" is a sham! And if they at least try to explain it in some other way then they automatically have more credibility than any of our government investigations, lol!

I'd sooner believe any of the conspiracy theories out there than to believe that laughable story the FBI and then the Warren Commission concocted!

I respect the hell out of authors who have gotten out there and talked to witnesses and did actual research and although I may not always agree with their conclusions, I am glad people are trying to peel back the layers to find the truth!

And if you're one of those folks always slamming everyone else and their theories on what happened in Dealey Plaza or in Oak Cliff, then how about you tell us your theories genius? Tell us what research you've done and what witnesses you have talked to.

Judging from some of the pictures and film taken the day of the assassination, you'd almost think a solar eclipse was happening then due to how dark the images are in the Grassy Knoll area, lol!

18 hours ago, Robert Burrows said:

I'm interested in what you're discussing, but none of your photographs are visible. 

Yes, I'd love to see the photos you describe but none of them are showing up on here!

I have thought for a long time that it would certainly be possible, if someone or a group knew what they were doing, to create a giant database from all the pics and videos from Dealey Plaza that day. If none of those pics or videos have been tampered with (and maybe even if they have to some degree) you could have a computer program to recognize all the information in each media source and put it all together. You'd basically have a 360° model type situation and you'd know what all people were where in the crowd at a given point in time. And if the information doesn't match up (like different people in the crowd from one media source to another in the same time frame) then at least we'll have definitive proof that at least some of the pics and videos have been tampered with to some degree. And you could digitally enhance each picture or series of pictures (video) using information from other sources. Like, for instance, say the limo is blurry in one source but not in another at the same timeframe. The program could possibly recognize that and use the information from the clear image to make the image clear in the blurry one. You get what I'm saying? I know I've watched a lot of documentaries on restoring classic movies like say The Wizard Of OZ. They do similar things like that to restore the film for future releases. I realize that something like this could take years or maybe even a decade or more, but what are we waiting for? We have to start somewhere! You could take different images of the Grassy Knoll area from different media sources during timeframes close together and say this is the factual data we have. This is where the fence is. This is where the concrete is. Here are the trees. Clarify all certain images until you only have objects that aren't "set". Possibly a person or an unidentified object that is in one source but not in another seconds later. So you know it's not a "constant" artifact to those surroundings. I may be explaining what I'm thinking poorly so I hope my point is not getting lost, lol! I just think we are not using the available technology near enough in JFK assassination research! We need people trained in these areas to work on some of this stuff.

15 minutes ago, Chris Davidson said:

Frame on the right side shot with B/H 414:

Thank you!

1 minute ago, Gerry Down said:

According to a Discovery channel documentary some years ago, in which i think Gary Mack was talking about it, the type of film Nix used was indoor film by accident which made the knoll dark. And if he had installed outdoor film instead, the knoll would be much brighter. 

Yeah, that's what they said in that particular documentary. And that may be the case but I don't buy it completely. It would be a nice experiment for someone to do using the same type or even a similar type camera using both indoor and outdoor film to see just how much difference there is between the two.

It's just that when the government lies to you over and over again you learn not to trust anything they tell you.

I believe in that same documentary, they make a big deal about how Zapruder actually used the right type of film for outdoor photography. Yet the Zapruder film we saw for decades wasn't all that clear. I know we were dealing with copies (whether you assume the extant is the original or not) and each copy gets more degraded, but if you believe Dino Brugioni and his story then the original was very clear! And very different, lol!

Even if using the wrong type film made the background a little darker, I still believe that the lighting on it was tampered with even more. Like I said, when they lie to you as much as they have you definitely acquire trust issues with them.

1 hour ago, Gayle Nix Jackson said:

I wish James Richards was still on here David and Hi!!!  He told me years ago, the Nix film was also shown to FBI, CIA and Secret Service training classes.  I could never verify.

I know your father believed that frames were taken out of his film, and at least initially he bought their excuse about bad exposures and such as the reason. Did he come to later believe that there were more nefarious reasons?

I believe that somewhere there is an original film that your father took that day unaltered. Besides excising frames here and there, I also believe that they fooled with the contrast to make it darker so we couldn't see what was going on up on the knoll behind the fence. I believe the original would show more visibility up there.

This is just an amusing post but I really think some of you will get a good laugh at it.

I'm binging the series Lost because I never watched it the first time around. Just one of those I figured I would like but never started watching it. Now with streaming services where you can binge watch from the beginning I've finally gotten around to it. Please no spoilers because I'm just starting Season 3. 

Now, where this ties into the JFK assassination. My initial impression is that the writers were just throwing everything they could against the wall and just see what sticks. Because, so far anyway, not every lead or clue goes somewhere. In many ways the assassination is much like that. It can be confusing and convoluted and it probably has driven many a man or woman crazy diving down this particular rabbit hole.

Chasing after promising leads that seem to go nowhere. To be sure, the waters have been muddied as much as possible through disinformation from agency "assets". I've been studying the assassination since I was maybe 10 or 11 and I just turned 46, lol! I devour books and articles and videos on the topic. If they had a 24 hour channel just on assassination related topics I'd stay tuned in, lol! But it can be maddening following all these leads! Just when you start following a trail that seems to make sense, you find another that makes sense too but they both contradict each other, lol! The research community pretty much knows the broad picture and most of the major players involved. But the minute details are where it gets a little fuzzy, lol! Just exactly what happened that day in Dealey Plaza.

Anyway, that was just my epiphany I had while watching Lost, lol! Hope y'all find some kind of insight into this or relate in some way!

On 3/7/2024 at 3:09 AM, Greg Doudna said:

Gary Mack: "The wife of one of [Dallas Police Captain Will] Fritz's best friends recently told researchers that Fritz had secretly recorded his Oswald interrogations [Nov 22-24, 1963]. Only one other DPD employee even knew about the recording equipment, which was in a small room or closet adjoining Fritz' office. The tapes are supposedly safe. She added that Fritz was afraid for the safety of his family and relatives, and that Oswald had admitted being a member of the intelligence community. There is no known reason to doubt the credibility of the woman or her husband."

There are some very interesting details in this post, but for me the above was the most interesting! I had never heard that before. How explosive would those tapes be if they ever surfaced?

Yeah, in her testimony she did say 1:15 but I think they determined it usually ran around 1:12. Time is a difficult thing to determine back in the days before cell phones. If the 1:12 estimation is correct then I can buy that she just rounded up to say 1:15. But regardless of the exact time, either way, I agree with you that the Tippit murder did not occur that late. 

That's one reason I asked whether the bus was on time or not. With all the commotion in Dallas surrounding the assassination, it could conceivably have been running late that day.

On 3/4/2024 at 8:42 PM, James DiEugenio said:

He  did not go behind the scenes to any great degree, but he did a little.

For instance on the whole Ida Dox controversy.

It was not just Baden who was involved in that, it was also Purdy and Flanagan.

 

Who is the Flanagan involved in the HSCA? Maybe we're related! 😂😂😂

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

Denise,

Thanks for doing this I thought the results were interesting.

I know it was done anonymously, but man I would like to know the person who accepts the SBT.

Stupefying.

Gotta be DVP!

I stand corrected, lol!

Didn't see the above post.

I guess I'm the only one so far that believes that the violent "back and to the left" motion is indicative of removed frames from the extant Z-film.

It's funny though that no witness that day and all the way until the extant Z-Film aired publicly ever described such a violent "head snap". 

Not that we should take Tom Brokaw at his word, but upon seeing the original Zapruder film he described Kennedy's head moving violently forward, lol! I believe that was a lie, but most witnesses say he just kind of fell over onto Jackie after the last shot.

I believe he possibly got shot in the head from behind a split second before getting shot from the front. I don't think there were any violent head snaps forwards or backwards in reality. If there was a head snap forward, then I believe it was from the sudden braking of the limo causing him to go forward rapidly just before the headshot from the front (probably from the Grassy Knoll).

I believe there was a "through and through" bullet hole in the windshield coming from the front. Maybe the South Knoll area. I think this is probably the one that caused the throat wound.

And then you have the shallow back wound. So, if JFK was hit in the head twice, then I count 4 different bullets. My estimate of 6 total may have been conservative now that I think about it, lol! Because I think Conally was hit by at least 2 different bullets most likely and there were several misses that day. Many witnesses saw a first shot hit the turf and that one didn't line up to the knicked curb causing Tauge's wound if I remember correctly. Then you have the bullet that hit that curb. I believe a bullet caused the damage to the chrome strip or whatever just above the windshield too.

I know that sounds like a lot, but I think it was Kellerman (sitting in the front passenger seat of the presidential limo) that described a "flurry" of shots after the first one.

I know most witnesses heard 3 or 4 at the most but some were probably silenced and if two were fired almost at the same time then they could have been mistaken for one shot.

WOW! You were in Tuscaloosa, Alabama? I work in Tuscaloosa.........down at BF Goodrich. June will make 17 years I've been working there. I live about an hour and a half away though but the long drive gives me plenty of time to consume JFK assassination videos. 😁 It's a small world after all!

I've never actually heard anything about the bus as far as I can remember except that she was waiting on it and it usually arrived around 1:12.

That would be great if if the bus stop was where the killer headed and the bus was on time, but you are sadly correct about losing people to the sands of time. 

I'm actually surprised we don't hear more stories come out though from children of people who witnessed something that didn't fit with the official narrative from stories their parents told!

Thanks @Robert Morrow!

There's no telling how many times I've heard her interviews and read accounts of her going to catch her bus but only this time did it ever occur to me that under the right circumstances that people on the bus headed that way could possibly have seen whoever the real killer of Tippit was.

Of course, those particular circumstances would be that the bus would be on time pretty much and would have to be heading on the same street the killer was escaping down.

Like I said, it probably is nothing pertinent after all but that lightbulb in my head came on and I thought I would ask.

So, I take it that Edward Norton was the one doing the Oswald voice reading from the "historic diaries"?

He did a good job if so! But I'm surprised in this day and age that they don't just use some AI app using Oswald's voice pattern on stuff like that. I assumed that's what they did and kept wondering where Norton was going to come in at, lol!

Just curious if anyone knows if the bus that Helen Markham was on her way to catching at approximately 1:12 pm made it on time? And if it would have been coming the way that the killer of J.D. Tippit would have been fleeing or another direction?

Was just listening to the Solving JFK podcast season 1 again and wondered about that bus for the first time while hearing his breakdown of the Tippit shooting. His approximate time of the shooting is roughy 1:06. Hellen Markham was on her way to catch a bus that normally ran about 1:12.

I got to wondering if the people on the bus could have seen Tippit's killer if he fled in the direction of the oncoming bus.  Even if the bus were coming in that same direction, I wonder if that bus were delayed from all the traffic. Much like the bus that Oswald had supposedly boarded, only to leave once it got stuck in the Dealey Plaza traffic.

If anyone has any answers to these questions, it is greatly appreciated! May not amount to anything anyway, but it popped in my head and thought I'd ask.

1 hour ago, Robert Montenegro said:

 

Not to rub your face in dog crap, but you obviously have never served in the military and do not know the discipline of following an order without question, and then keeping your big mouth shut about that order until kingdom come.

 

And you obviously know nothing about military coup d'état's and how you can compartmentalize a series of independent orders in networks of thousands of politically aligned insurgents and conspirators. 

 

Case in point, the CIA backed coups in Guatemala and Iran, code-named respectively Operation PBSuccess and Operation TP-AJAX, each involved at least three-thousand personnel, hundreds of tons of military hardware to procure, and hundreds of millions of covert finances to accomplish.

 

I only list about five-hundred hardline fascists.

 

The murder of President Kennedy was the military overthrow of the concept of legitimate democracy in our time, not a circle-jerk of ten guys in a shaded back alley. 

 

Please, remove you head out of your rectum, so you may pull the foot out of your mouth.

 

And maybe try serving in a combat operation (like I have), so you can know what it means to keep a secret at the expense of your own life...

 

A little touchy aren't we? By the way, I do believe in a conspiracy but one not quite as vast as the one you believe in. I made a joke and you went ballistic and called me every name in the book, lol! Can we be civil here?

I have never served in the military in any capacity but I do understand how things work on a need-to-know basis and how each mission is compartmentalized, especially in "wet" operations.

Many individuals were roped into the cover-up under order or threats to their lives or their family. Many were convinced by misguided patriotism to participate with stories of a nuclear war with Russia if the truth came out about any foreign involvement. 

I believe that the inner circle who knew ahead of time plans to assassinate the president was relatively small. Those who actually planned it and worked to make it happen.

No need to go ballistic on everyone who disagrees with you, especially if they make a lighthearted joke. That is how the lone-nutters usually operate.

So, you're saying they kept things pretty close to the vest........only about a thousand individuals involved? 😂😂😂

1 hour ago, Denny Zartman said:

Are you referring to picture #6 at the bottom right, here?

From what I understand, that picture was taken when he was younger, and pictures 3 and 5 are more representative of what he looked like at the time of his death.

Yes, that's the picture I was referring to! I could see that #2 pic even being a similar hairline or hairstyle too. Maybe even #5 though he's kinda turned sideways. #3 definitely doesn't look anywhere near Mailbox Man's hair though it is very hard to make out. Thanks for the photos!

The hair on Mailbox Man kinda makes me think of the JD Tippit "Elvis" photo. How he has his hair in that picture. You know which one I'm referring to? I wouldn't think it could be him however.

The flag burning is certainly an interesting and original hypothesis to be sure, but I would think that if someone was burning a flag in protest that you'd have at least one person who saw that and told someone about it. I guess you could say that all eyes were on JFK at the time so no one really paid any attention to the man, but I'm thinking that a minute or two after the headshot that people would have seen him even if he hid out behind the mailboxes. Keep digging! You've certainly peaked my interest, but I need more to lean hard into that hypothesis.

Let me ask you this Mr. Ford, do you think a man burning a flag in protest could be the source of people in the motorcade (most notably Senator Yarborough) smelling gunpowder or seeing smoke? I know gasoline burning wouldn't smell exactly like gunpowder but maybe similar enough to mistake in the chaos. The smoke was seen near the picket fence though and I find it hard to believe that a man could carry a burning flag from that area to the TSBD entrance without being noticed. So, I'd probably say no to both.

The mailboxes are right beside the front steps. I don't see how you can use a small clip as definitive proof of anything when we don't even follow Baker all the way to his destination in said clip. If you had other evidence that was a little bit stronger then you MIGHT could use this clip as corroborating evidence to the fact that he was not originally heading toward the front steps but toward the mailboxes or some other destination. If you had added any witness testimony at all that officer Baker approached a man standing by the mailboxes or that he saw a man there looking suspicious or something else to add weight to the clip then maybe more people would agree with your hypothesis.

As for "mailbox man", I think that was a great find and needs further investigation to see just who this could have been or what his purpose could have been. But I don't feel the Baker angle is strong enough for us to be arguing about amongst each other. Keep digging and hopefully you will find something else to bolster your claim.

I found a picture of Buell Wesley Frazier from his detainment post assassination. I was going to post it but no matter how much I cropped it there was a message saying I exceeded the max file size or whatever so I gave up. Anyway, if he was still wearing what he wore to work that day, then he had on a white shirt. Not a T-Shirt, but looked like a white dressy looking shirt with a collar on it. Was trying to find someone with a similar hairline or hairstyle to "mailbox man" and BWF was about the closest I could find. Most of the other guys I could find had ties on.

Just pure speculation here, but assuming Mr. Frazier could possibly be "mailbox man" (if he is located somewhere else in the clip then let me know), then you could say that immediately after the assassination he sees a bag lying over by the mailboxes that looked close enough to the one Oswald had bring to work that day.......OR........ Oswald never carried a long bag or curtain rods or anything and BWF had it in his backseat as part of an assignment. Nobody saw Oswald carry in anything. Frazier supposedly hung around in his vehicle for some time after Oswald approached the building. Say he was told to bring this fashioned bag and to plant it somewhere outside the TSBD to be found. He hides it somewhere near the mailboxes. Immediately following the assassination he gives it to a policeman. The corrupt Dallas cop thinks this would be more incriminating if found on the same floor as the rifle and takes it upstairs at some point. This is all just speculation. Just spitballing ideas to try and make sense of it. It is not a theory I personally support or would try and convince anyone to believe. Just trying to think of some kind of scenario for "mailbox man" and the package or whatever he is holding.

Found this pic online if it helps in comparison to whatever "mailbox man" is holding.