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    Why Col. L. Fletcher Prouty's Critics Are Wrong

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    16 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:
    Jeff: Prouty’s identification of Lansdale in the “Tramp” photo was corroborated by General Krulak.
    But he won't get go on record about this right? But your answer to that is that he was threatened by the Deep state---Prove it!

    By the way @Jeff Carter, I have audio from an interview with Gen. Krulak done with Harrison Livingstone in the early 90's in which he denies ever telling Prouty that he thought it looked like Lansdale in the tramp photo. Real horse's mouth type stuff...not Prouty said this, and Prouty said that...

    Why Col. L. Fletcher Prouty's Critics Are Wrong

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    On 10/13/2023 at 3:07 PM, W. Niederhut said:

    Rob,

        Your ignorance and dishonesty about Prouty's career and work is, frankly, embarrassing.

         I'm reminded of our last discussion on the subject, where it was obvious that you knew nothing about Prouty, and had never read either of his books.

         My advice is to limit your punditry to subjects that you properly understand.

         Also, if you really believe that Prouty's writings about Deep State history are comparable to Judyth Baker's, you need to do some serious remedial reading.

    I don't care about, and have never addressed Prouty's career or work. I addressed his claims. Judyth Baker has written a couple of books as well...so what's your point? Again, just because someone wrote a book means nothing.  Real simple, Prouty claimed a lot over the years in various places...and walked it ALL back to the ARRB. That makes him a fraud, not smarter than the average bear. You wanna keep believing the fairy tales, go right ahead...I'll be over here concentrating on things that actually matter. By the way Neidernut, watch my Lancer presentation this year, you might learn something.

    Why Col. L. Fletcher Prouty's Critics Are Wrong

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    20 hours ago, Jeff Carter said:

    The podcast in question was premised on a misunderstanding which had the effect of actively misleading the listening audience, and occurred due to a failure to “read the footnotes”  -which is its own sort of irony.

    The ARRB panel’s critique was premised on a single non-definitive sentence from Prouty’s 1992 book, and is a very thin marker to deign absolutist terms such as “truth” and “lies”, particularly in light of multiple definitive statements to the contrary.

    Actually, the ARRB's critique was premised on the cumulative remarks of Prouty throughout the 70's, 80's & 90's, his articles and books, statements made to Stone for JFK, correspondence with other researchers, and conference speeches. People like Livingstone and Weisberg smelled a rat long before the ARRB exposed Prouty as a fraud.

    17 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

         Rob Clark, as I recall, is another one of those McAdams-type Prouty defamers who, upon questioning, never read either of Prouty's books.  Instead, he "did his own research" at McAdams.edu.

         Some of those guys come out of the woodwork here, periodically, to tag team their McAdams colleagues who are engaged in Swift Boat Vetting Col. Prouty on social media.

        

    I love when people like you are afraid to engage people like me directly. It tells me all I need to know. If you only knew a third of what you think you know about me, this diatribe would be comical, however it's just sad & pathetic. I'm actually on the conspiracy side of things, but even more so than that, the truth of things. I put Prouty on the same level as Judyth Baker, James Files, Chauncy Holt, Beverly Oliver and a host of other frauds that have tried to make money off the assassination by injecting themselves into the lore and muddying the waters of truth. Oh... and just because someone wrote a book, doesn't mean that what's in between the covers has any substantial value whatsoever.  Here's a list of people that didn't or don't now believe what Prouty claimed.... Harrison Livingstone, Viktor Krulak, Harold Weisberg, Oliver Stone, John Newman, Col. Rudolph Reich of the 316th INTC, two prattling podcasters, & the entire ARRB.

    Why Col. L. Fletcher Prouty's Critics Are Wrong

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    4 hours ago, Jeff Carter said:

    " two guys with a podcast who prattled on about this issue for about 20 minutes back in August. None of these people actually know what they are talking about, and continued repetition of this pathetic talking point only underlines their ignorance. "

     

    One guy here, (Me) with a podcast that prattled on about this issue 2 years ago now, and for much more than 20 mins. I actually do know what I'm talking about, and your willful ignorance to get even the most basic of facts right is pathetic. The only reason you and Osanic "doth protest too much", is because you make money selling Prouty's lies and stories. 

    Project DICIRCUIT

    in JFK Assassination Debate

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    2 hours ago, Matthew Koch said:

     

    Well, anyone with half a brain can see why I was pissed off upon seeing this video on YouTube. Then I see it was posted here also. I kept things vague for a reason, as this line of research is for me and Joe Borelli's presentation at Lancer this year.  I didn't post it for some looky-loo too afraid to reveal his identity or allow comments on his videos, to co-opt it for his YouTube channel to get views. An ethical researcher would have reached out either on here via personal message, or via my email which I know he has, because I know he listens to my show and comments frequently on my YouTube vids. So yeah...thanks A-Hole!

    Project DICIRCUIT

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    22 minutes ago, Joseph Backes said:

    I'm trying

    Lola

    Lela

    Lyla K Furlong and getting nothing.  

    I think this has something to do with E Howard Hunt's wife.  I've seen a few docs about her trying to get a job in an embassy.  

    But I can't zoom in much at all on the doc.

    It's Lola...and this is not referring to E. Howard Hunt's wife. Chief of Base Berlin.... I'll work on getting a RIF number

    Project DICIRCUIT

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    Posted · Edited by Rob Clark

    Looking for some help identifying and describing this CIA project. Reserving who this document is referring to for the moment as it pertains to primary research, but just know it's a figure associated with the assassination. This document accompanied a handwritten note in the file describing this woman as "not your typical wife" and could "handle herself as a SIGINT intercept."

     

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    William S. Walter and the Telex

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    Hi alll!

    Thanks for posting this! Just to clarify how telexes worked, according to Walter, they were sent to field offices using a coded system on tickertape that employees like Walter would have to decode using a machine kept in the safe and type it up. They would then be responsible for disseminating the information to the appropriate agents, hence the names written on the telex.

    Someone Created a FAKE "Confession" Interview with Ruth Paine

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    14 hours ago, Max Good said:

    It appears that someone has created a sophisticated FAKE "confession" audio interview with Ruth Paine, perhaps using AI tools such as voice matching synthesis.  It sounds a lot like her, but maybe a younger version. But there is clearly something off about the speech of both her and the interviewer.  This was posted to YouTube today by an account that was created yesterday with the following description:

     

    At 2:25, "Ruth" says, "Both myself and my husband were employed by Central Intelligence as handlers for the Oswalds."

     
     

    Max,

    You mad she didn't spill the beans to you? Lol

    Who is John T. Martin, Jr. who filmed the motorcade at Dealey Plaza?

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    It's kind of a running joke on our Quick Hits podcast how many variations of the J first name and Martin surname associated within the assassination milieu...

    These are top of mind...I think there are 4 more we found

     

    John Martin Jr. - Took film in Dealey Plaza                                                         John Martino - CIA asset, Castro prisoner, helped Anti-Castro causes

    John Martin Sr. - Father, worked at Postal Annex                                               Jean Martin - Pierre LaFitte's (Coup in Dallas) CIA pseudonym in New Orleans

    John T Martin - Took Film, Walker house & New Orleans Oswald arrest           Jack Martin - Alias Ed Suggs, Banister associate

    James Martin - Manager Six Flags, brought Marina home with him                 Jim Martin - Attorney at meeting at Ruby's house night of 11/24/63

    Jim Martin - Department 03 of CIA                                                                      Johnny Martin - Dating Serita Odio

    Fletcher Prouty vs the ARRB

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    17 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

    My question today about preferred crow entrees for Mr. Clark needs to be interpreted in the context of an older thread on this forum in which Mr. Clark posted some derisive, defamatory claims about the late Col. L. Fletcher Prouty-- quite similar to those published in the past by the late John McAdams.

         Mr. DiEugenio's recent essay at Kennedys and King debunked some of the McAdams/Clark defamatory claims about Mr. Prouty.

         Hence, my question for Mr. Clark about his preferred crow recipes.

         Naturally, I regret any injury, real or imagined, that I may have inflicted upon Mr. Clark's tender feelings.

         

         

    Just for the record, I am a CT and in no way like John McAdams.  I also don't say or post anything as fact that I can't back up in some form or fashion be it documents or testimony. If I'm ever speculating, I'll let you know. I just have a real low tolerance for those that muddy the waters with unsubstantiated claims and pure BS. What derisive and defamatory comments I posted or said about Prouty, came straight out of his own mouth to the ARRB.  Col. Reich called him a nutjob to the ARRB, and as I posted in the other Prouty thread, I have audio of an interview with Gen. Krulak denying his Landsdale in Dealey Plaza claims. Jim D's article debunked nothing about the Prouty claims, and in fact, didn't even address multiple others.   I'm not the one eating Crow here Niedernut, and trust me, my feelings don't get hurt on this forum. It wasn't me that complained about your post.

    Fletcher Prouty vs the ARRB

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    Posted

    From the article, and I quote.... 

    "He was probably the only man in the building who would recognize who former CIA officer George Joannides was and why he was really there." 

    Just wondering if Jim could post any evidence at all regarding this wild speculation? This is the RICHEST thing I've read in JFK assassination research literature in quite some time...BRAVO :clapping

    Fletcher Prouty vs the ARRB

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    On 6/4/2022 at 4:58 PM, James DiEugenio said:

     It indicates a side to the ARRB that went relatively unnoticed: the need to retaliate against JFK and what it represented. This charade with Prouty was probably the most salient example of that.  Thanks to all of these people for their help.  I will not specifically name those who were all too eager to fall  for this faux pas. They know who they are.

    I will just say that the  record now stands corrected.

    Not so fast...from one of the eager beavers here.  :pop *IF* this article Jim, was meant to be a rebuttal to our respective podcasts, then it struck out on many levels. The only thing addressed in the article was the 112th MIG, so you have 3rd hand hearsay...and a guy who's name phonetically sounds like Sorrels declined the offer of supplemental protection in Dallas. It seems to me the proper protocol would be the Secret Service would ask for help, not the other way around. It speaks volumes that you ignore what Larry Hancock so thoughtfully said in this thread, research is not picking and choosing what you want to fit your narrative, its deep diving and doing all the necessary work.

     

    On 6/4/2022 at 6:18 PM, Vince Palamara said:

    "...investigator Dave Montague got in contact with former Lt. Stephen Weiss, who was with that detachment in 1963 but was now retired. He told Montague that Colonel Robert Jones had requested they get in contact with the Secret Service and offer them supplementary protection for President Kennedy in Dallas. Weiss was surprised that the Secret Service declined. He said the word was that a man, who’s name phonetically sounded like [Forrest] Sorrels, declined the offer. (ARRB memo, p. 1) [emphasis added]."

    You conveniently leave out Col. Reich's testimony to the ARRB because it doesn't fit your narrative, along with EVERYTHING Prouty backtracked and played down to the ARRB. The ARRB was NOT an investigative body, so you can't equate it to the Warren Commision or the HSCA. They were document collecting, seeing if Prouty had anything at all to offer because of all the claims he made over the years in his essays, books, forewords, and to Oliver Stone, and the last being the catalyst for the ARRB to be conceived from? You say Len has all these documents? So he purposely lied to the ARRB and purposefully withheld documents from them too??  "Just told them what they wanted to hear" is the lamest rationalization/excuse I've ever heard. He lied to them BECAUSE he told us (researchers) the truth?? Seriously, you expect people to buy that??

     

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