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Pat, very true. Dr. Shaw worked on Connally the whole time. About that, my favorite observation by Shaw, "...the wound he saw on Connally's back was not that of a tumbling bullet or of a bullet that had struck anything else before striking Connally. He insisted it was a clean, round wound of entry----very small." Note the precision with which the Parkland doctors described the wounds to each other. As Dr. Marion "Pepper" Jenkins said, "...a wound on the left temporal area, right in the hairline and right above the zygomatic process." (Palamara JFK from Parkland to Bethesda, p.12) The zygomatic process is that bone juncture in front of the lower ear that scrunches up when you clench your teeth. So, looking at the ear straight on, the wound would be around 10 o'clock and 2" away from the edge of the ear. I figure Dr. Shaw heard many such descriptions in the doctors' lounge, and put together a pretty good picture of JFK's head wounds, especially the left temple wound.

Micah M., You are a great compiler of left temple wound witnesses. I am now up to 16 I can remember off the top of my head. These Dr R. R. Shaw links you provide I have never seen before. Early 1964 is fresh in his memory. This is only the second witness I know of who put two and two together that the left temple entrance bullet was responsible for the large blowout in the right occiput. (Though Dr. David Stewart and a few others came very close.) The other witness is the mysterious Hugh Huggins/Howell, supposedly from the CIA whom, supposedly, Bobby Kennedy sent to see what was going on. The best compilation of HH's testimony I have seen is in Vincent Palamara's JFK from Parkland to Bethesda: The Ultimate Kennedy Assassination Compilation. On pp.86-87 are three references to Mr. Huggins' witnessings. In a.: "...entry wound to the left temple. To my knowledge, only two other people beside myself have admitted to seeing this wound.[Actually, many witnesses had admitted to seeing this wound at this point. They just hadn't been compiled.] ...exited the right side of the president's head, blowing out a section of skull and obscuring the entry wound of a second bullet that struck him from the right front almost simultaneously." In b., "Mr. Bartlett...recalled conversing...with a man fitting Hugh Howell's description....a short man with a crewcut who identified himself in that capacity [CIA], and I do believe he said his name was Howell." Many researchers find it hard to reconcile a left temple entrance-right occipital exit (i.e., coming from the South Knoll direction)-----with the violent back and LEFT movement seen in Zapruder. But here's an explanation: the left temple bullet went in and out so cleanly that it imparted little force to the large mass of the head. JFK was hit almost simultaneously with a FRANGIBLE from the right front, the North Knoll, which imparted a lot of force to the head. Also the Z-film is so obviously messed with at this point, ~310 to 330 (or ~300 to 320, I forget which), mostly removed frames IMHO. What was it around this area Chris Davidson figured? An average of 3 removed out of every 4 frames in this area? Which makes the limo NOT appear to slow drastically.

Vince P., Thank you so much for providing so many great witness videos here. This one especially of the elusive, seldom seen/heard Dr. Robert Shaw is a big find for me.

Wow, Joe Mc., thanks for your very informed opinions. Regarding Lee firing a gun that day (but only at whom he thought was maybe the rottenest animal alive, and whom he blamed, rightfully so, for making his life so unjustly worse) makes sense of all the "SUSPICIOUS BEHAVIOR" he exhibited that day, which really wasn't all that much. Big Aside: Citing "Suspicious Behavior" is how the LNs convict OZ-man and thus assassinate his character. By patently odd behavior I mean little actions like carrying his package to work stuck up under his armpit, getting dropped off by the cab five blocks from his house,etc. I always counter that nearly unbelievably simplistic thinking, "There was plenty of SB to go around before, during, and after the murder of Decency and Peace. The local police and about five other "law enforcement" agencies took no notes, made no tape recordings during nearly 48 hours of interrogation??? Of the guy who, if true, was making Judas, Brutus, and Cassius look maybe not so bad by comparison???????? Police car in the alley that J D Tippit was blocking, and that never makes it into the 27 volumes of the War Con???? The Harper Fragment and JFK's brain go missing???? " Death and intimidation of myriad witnesses???? (By the way, whatever happened to Acquilla Clemmons? I find the disappearances much scarier than the outright murders.) And on and on. In fact, there was more suspicious behavior by any one of a hundred men in positions of authority, than by that tough little cookie Oswaldskovitchnikovsky. And the SB that goes on to this day? End of Aside. Now, Ozman didn't shoot JFK and didn't have time to get to East 10th and Patton because he was at the bus stop at 1:05, at the Texas Theater around 1:10, JDT shot 1:09. No way could he have done all three in five minutes, even with a great driver delivering him at the scenes. And even If he somehow DID, he had tons of confederates at the scene. Which would remove the Lone from the Nut. Just one explanation for LO's SB in the scenario of LO shooting John B. Con (the slacker s$$ $$ $ $$$$h who blew him off repeatedly about his degraded discharge AND helped set up the murder of Amerikan Democracy) and no way could have shot the other John in the car ------------- There were no curtain rods and he carries the package in that strange way cupped in right hand, and tucked "under his armpit" as Buell Frazier described it and a man can't carry a package like that any longer than 25" in that fashion, right? And BF estimated the package at around two feet when he saw it in the back seat. And you can't break down a MC RIFLE that short. But you can get 30" what looks like under one's arm, but actually goes past and back of the armpit under the back of one's jacket. And LHO got a CARBINE in the mail. The mail order gun vendor was glad to get rid of any of that junk for more than scrap prices; they weren't too careful about what they sent out. I've broken down both the MC rifle and carbine. It's correct what the experts say about the length of a broken down MC rifle, almost three feet. But the carbine breaks down to a hair over 30". What about the problem of how Ozzie got the rifle into the building and up to the sixth floor? LHO left Wes at the car and walked way ahead of him (strange in itself) , so WBF is no longer a witness. As we all know Jack Edwin Dougherty, the straw boss/snitch for Roy Truly and Bill Shelley, stationed himself at the loading dock back entrance every morning to give the working stiffs the once-over as they came in. He saw Ozzie come in without said package. What happened to it? Easy, if you've ever worked at a warehouse. Anything thin enough, under 4", can be hidden in a stack of pallets. All you do is slide it in either: way above the line of sight, or way under the line of sight.

Joe M., I am looking forward to that interview with Len Osanic soooooo much. Your new book too. And thanks for putting up your part in "50 Reasons...." again. I get something out of it every time. Probably ten and counting. About six weeks ago, I got your book Into the Nightmare on Inter Library Loan. It came to North Carolina all the way from the San Francisco Public Library, which I'm sure you have visited a time or two. When I was filling out the form at the Greensboro Library, the two guys at the Research Desk said, "You mean the movie guy?" I was impressed; it knocked me back a step. They both knew your cine work and valued it highly. Maybe that's why your book had a very short loan time compared to everything else I get there: I figure the nerds predated it so they could get a hold of it. Still, I was over a week late returning it; got special dispensation from the department to do so, until they would give me no more. Heckuva lot in there. I filled nearly a whole notebook with notes, ideas, cross references. I am especially grateful for all the ammunition I found on one of my pet theories: that Ozzie had INFILTRATED the plot, did his best to stop it, and sacrificed his life in the process. Now this is just me: He made em pay a little, dinged John B. Connally pretty good from the WESTERN end of the building. I call it the first fragging of the Vietnam "Conflict." That theorizing may bother most JFKA researchers, who seem nowadays to think LHO was in the breakroom, all alone of everyone in the whole TSBD. Of course, the Wiz didn't shoot Kennedy, couldn't have. Our dear Jack was hit at least three times from his FRONT, once from the right front "Grassy Knoll", and twice from left front, the South Knoll. In Into the Nightmare, I think I liked best how you evaluated ALL the previous research. I especially liked your take on good ol' Penn Jones, Jr. Maybe my favorite quotation in the whole book, when someone (could find who in me notes, but time....) asked PJ if he thought the assassins killed Kennedy to be able to get into Nam. "Hell no, the MILITARY did it so they could take OVER." And then P. D. Scott's idea of decadic military atrocities to keep the Cold War cash machine flowing. Early 50s McCarthyism, early 60s JFKA, early 70s Watergate, early 80s Iran-Contra and Star Wars, early 90s Bosnia and Iraq/Kuwait, early 2000s 9/11 and the War on Terra. Muchos muchos gracias.

Speaking of DPD who aided in the assassination of the Wizard of Ozzie (even though this is the Croy...Mason topic), Jim Leavelle is looking worse and worse. There's a great Youtube video by Tom Meros, Jack Ruby's timely time-stamped visit to Western Union - YouTube that points out many of the suspicious activities of JL on 11/24. Starting with that white suit and white Stetson. Leavelle was probably the only man in Dallas wearing a white suit that weekend. Kind of like Umbrella Man was the only one holding a black umbrella and pumping it up and down. Tom Meros comments that wearing all white on that mournful day "was like wearing a clown costume to a funeral" With police like that, who needs criminals?

Jim H., That diagram of Jack Ruby's probable path into the DPD 11.24 is pure gold. It HAD to happen like that. I've been looking for this for many years. That wiring of the measly funds from Western Union was time-stamped 11:16, and JR shot Oswald at 11:21. Allowing a minute, two at most, for the two clocks being off a little, JR got into position in about five minutes from the time he left WU. He had to have help getting in through a door locked from the inside. The Western Union is just on the other side of the DPD parking lot. There is no way Ruby had time to walk down any heavily-watched ramp, as the War Con speculated. IMHO, "Blackie" Harrison also assisted Ruby's getting into position. Wasn't the cigarette/cigar machine that had Blackie's brand at one of the exit doors? This action required at least two DPD to pull it off, at least one lookout and one escort. Probably since Harrison had a likely excuse to be at that door, it was he who was looking out for JR with the door just cracked open. And ol' Blackie was also around Jack Ruby, like Croy, when the old gangster jumped out and stuck his gat in Ozzie's gut. This diagram is priceless. Also, the work of the John Armstrong branch of the research community on Westbrook and Croy 11.22 is pure gold, especially at the Tippit murder scene. This is nailing down a big part of how the coup of 1963 was carried out

Chuck, Thanks for noting the Lisa Pease appearance tonight. It should also be great. I changed the topic title for easy notification. My notes on Jim D.'s interview by Richard Syrett are forthcoming. The Stone-DiEugenio documentary JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass is in great demand all over Europe, and even Russia and parts of Asia. Everywhere but here. I am sure there is immense interest here in the US. What can break the dam of M$M (thanks, Niederhut) hegemonic control? Bribes? Begging?

I can't believe this isn't noted here in the JFKA Debate. Jim is on with guest host Richard Syrett, hands down the best host for all things coup d'etat. And the bad thing about C to C is they don't archive their shows like all Jim's excellent interviews with Dave Emory, etc. You have to pay to be a C to C member. So if you're not a member, and you didn't hear it live, you missed it.

One last thing, Robert. Your logic that, since DC mentions Alien Presence, all his other contributions are worthless, "lost ALL credibility," is one of the most elementary errors. I forget the Latin name at the moment, but it's as bad or worse than ad hoc, ergo propter hoc. (Sp?) It's as if you tried to call someone on the phone, but you misdialed or he didn't answer, so you contend the telephone does not exist. An egregious, though common, error in JFKA research. I find it incredible that the James DiEugenio/Joan Mellon faction of the research community thinks LBJ was NOT a prime mover in his predecessor's demise. But their other contributions are invaluable; their one blind spot does not obviate that at all.

Robert, I have bit my tongue lo these many months you have polluted this site with your snotty, ignorant, idiotic, irrelevant, red-herring, fear-mongering swill. But this pushed me over the edge. Doug Caddy is a witness to history the likes of which I have never heard of. His new memoir, Being There, is aptly, modestly titled. He should call it Being EVERYWHERE. He was at the very beginnings of many important conservative movements. I believe Young Americans for Freedom and the National Review to name just two. (NB: I am going from memory for this comment, so I may be off on some details, but the gist of it is understated. At the moment, I don't have the time to research this to try to educate a dumb bunny like you.) Then there are the historic Americans he has known well, E Howard Hunt and Billy Sol Estes to name a couple very relevant to the JFKA debate. Doug was living in a New York apartment of a very historic, cultural, non-political figure when our dear Jack had his brains shot out on an American street. I can't remember the name at the moment; some big talent in serious music I believe, not my bag unless it's me Boomer tunesters. He got the news from a tickertape, I believe, and was the first to notify the Rockefeller administration. (Sheese, I'm mangling this.) Lawyer/ lobbyist for General Mills in DC at a very critical time. E H Hunt's lawyer when Watergate broke, defied Judge John Sirica over not IDing someone or other. Sent to jail for it for a little while. Then there are Doug Caddy's contributions to this site. Just his current/news type links are beyond compare. Nowhere else do I get such a wealth of those.Then there are his other contributions, too extensive to go into here. Doug's most amazing talent, IMHO, is his ultra-lawyerly skill of speaking off the cuff, which is reflected in his writing. He is as brief as possible, not a wasted word. He cannot be distracted off the subject. He is as colorful as John Barbour but way more informative per minute, and, as I say, completely undistractable. Witness his appearances on Coast to Coast. I have never heard anything like them. There's much more, but this is running on and I need to say something about this "Alien Presence" that you keep blowing your nose on. One, there are many credible researchers who have amassed evidence of patterns of phenomena that cannot be explained by our science. Charles Berlitz, of the language school family, is about my favorite. Check out his books on the Bermuda Triangle and the Devil's Triangle. He allows readers to draw their own conclusions, for the most part. He has NOTHING about UFOs and other boilerplate ET movie nonsense. I have seen in at least two other topics where you have immediately distracted the debate with your irrelevant sneering at something you saw in some stupid movie. That, to you, is what the Alien Presence is all about. It's snot. There is also a good case to be made that Mother Earth is a sentient organism of some type we don't understand. I believe Berlitz came to a conclusion like that. Last thing: if you're going to be a supercilious blowhard, can you at least learn simple written English? In the last sentence of yours above, you have "its" when it should be "it's" the contraction of IT IS. In the sentence before that, you have the possessive "its" as "it's" (remember hers, ours, yours does not take an apostrophe - the possessive is in the form) and you have the plural of a family name with the idiotic, WRONG apostrophe, as if it's the possessive. Man, my 6th grade English teacher would have browbeaten us half to death if we wrote at that 3rd grade level. And you do it consistently, repeatedly. Oh and by the way, that boogeyman Antifa is coming down your chimney dressed as Santa Claus. They're right behind you! Be afraid, be very afraid. PS: Thank you so much, seriously, for reminding me to order his book. If only to clarify, for me, Doug Caddy's and America's amazing history. PPS RE there/their/they're, do you EVER use the right one? I mean, if I were to read your garbage, it would take twice as long just to figure out what you're trying to say.

Caption 1: "We gonna crucify 'at boy." due to the cross-shape over Kennedy's right temple; or Caption 2: "Leading the lambs to slaughter," because Jackie's holding innocent little Lambchop (you can see the hand-puppet very well if you magnify this very clear picture) with her left hand AND the President with her right hand. This was practically poor innocent Jackie's first domestic political/election trip EVER; or Caption 3: "Next victim for the shooting gallery!" the way they cleared a path for the poor guy. Connally, in rear 3/4 view, can still be seen to be scowling or grimacing, just not looking happy for this once-in-a-lifetime event. Host governor in his home state escorting the sitting president and leader of his party. Yet the whole trip, JBC is looking like he's getting a series of rabies shots while farting in church. He ain't comfortable. Also he's leaning on the roof support, in true slacker fashion. Didn't get a good sleep last night, and he has to save his energy for "the fireworks" as Jack Ruby so aptly put it. Who took this picture? It's quite professional. Too bad the professional reporters and photographers got moved to the back of the parade.

Douglas, thanks for the heads-up. Strange thing, George Noory is the last to have seen Hoffa alive. The last to admit it anyway. He has told the story many times on Coast to Coast: he met Jimmy at the Detroit radio station where he worked, kept talking with him after the interview, walked him out to his car. Hoffa was never seen again, not by anyone who admitted it. A story rarely mentioned in assassination literature: fairly early when Bobby Kennedy was Attorney General, he sort of ordered Jimmy Hoffa to come to his office, made an appointment. RFK was very late, something like 45 minutes, if memory serves. When he finally sashayed in with his big sloppy Newfoundland (name Beau Brummel?) JH immediately grabbed him by his collars, lifting him off his feet, and pinned the US AG (!) against filing cabinets. With a few choice words, though not loudly. The lawyer with Hoffa rushed up and got between the two and it was over, as quickly as it had begun. Bobby acted like "no harm, no foul."

Thanks for this, Ron B. Disproportionately, ex-military is responsible for these crazy shoot-em-ups and mass shootings. They have the most access to weapons, and the most motivation from being told constantly during their "service" that they are the epitome of homo sapiens, and that civilians are "dirtbags", their pet name for us. There's a great new book out, Bring the War Home: The White Power Movement and Paramilitary America by Kathleen Belew. She's been on C-Span a couple times. She's done the research and notes, brilliantly, that after every war there is a big surge in vigilanteism and KKK-type movements, "survivalism" and all that happy crappy. IMHO it is due to those boys don't want to work, so they talk themselves into believing that the most important job is waging the "just revolution," for which they are coincidentally the best, most fit "heroes" for the "job." The reader of this Dallas article will notice that the make and model of the firearm is omitted, nowhere to be found. Inanimate guns have more rights than we do! Wouldn't want to hurt Armorlite's or NRA's feelings. Gun carnage reporting rarely identifies the gun(s) used. Or a mere mention is buried under a mountain of detritus. As one of Early Cuyler's hats says, "Guns don't kill people, they just make it a whole lot easier." And a whole lot more cowardly, few seem to note. Going up against unarmed men, women and children must make the modern American "urban-soldier" feel all the braver, befitting this insanity we find ourselves in. The semi-automatic rifles, assault or otherwise, are way more deadly than the Thompson machine guns that were outlawed nearly a hundred years ago. One, they are much lighter so any work-allergic weak slob can carry and wave one around. Two, with all these light, modern, high-capacity clips, it's easy for the p.o.ed slacker to get off hundreds of rounds during his "mission". Less than three years after Kennedy was slaughtered four blocks from the site of this Earl Cabell Federal Bldg., ol' Charlie Whitman, ex-mil., lugged his arsenal up a tower at a Texas university and laid waste. This was the first of the modern mass killings. And don't forget the horrific injuries. The Connally Commission followed. Ron B., you ask: Is this what JFKA has wrought? I figure it's like the chicken and the egg. Did this government paralysis that makes us unable to do what every other wealthy nation has done, cause JFKA? Or the other way around? They both evolved together.

James: I have to hit the hay. I did a brief search. There are a few pics of the dent in the rearview mirror. CE 350 shows it sort of accidentally; it's trying to be a photo of the windshield crack from the front of the car. That's where the mirror damage is seen many times, from various pics of the front side of the windshield. Pam Brown has some good essays about the damage, mirror noted often. As for the ashtray that was between the Connallys hanging on the back of the front seat, I've looked for a photo of that lately. I know I have seen it but haven't been able to find it in a long time. I'm thinking Groden. Livingston? High Treason? One problem with googling both of these dents, the back-and-forth about whether there's a through-and-through hole in the windshield seems to take up all the space. IMO there was no shot THROUGH the glass. I'm such a computer dumbkopf, the only way I know how to do it is a laborious way through bookmarks in these postings. In brief, the mirror damage is commonly seen, though not easily found except in pics of the front side of the windshield. The ashtray-plate dent is noted in many places in text, but it seems like years since I saw a photo of it.

DVP, CE 567 and CE 569 had no flesh or blood on them. This is impossible for the damage the original bullet was supposed to have done to Kennedy's head. Another insurmountable with that WC scenario: the angle from JFK's head to the windshield frame, which is practically flat. But the vertical angle from the "sniper's nest" to the head was 18 to 20 degrees. And practically no angle side to side. Are you saying the bullet ricocheted off his head like off a rock? In that case the bullet would have lost too much force to have caused all that damage on that chrome-plated steel, which is unbelievably hard. And that chrome had no blood and brains in the dent. This is all so physically impossible. More impossible than the SBT. And this nettles: there is no "David Lifton's crazy 'ALL Shots Came from the Front' theory". In the last few years, he has come around to "All shots THAT HIT JFK came from the front." Big difference. Coincidentally, that's the same as me -- all shots, three, that hit JFK came from the front. I say two from left front, and one from right front. And it's also much different than all shots, one or (more likely) two, that hit JBC came from the far right rear. And the shot that bounced all around the windscreen area came from that same right rear. Then there were other shots that missed the limo, but let's leave it at those simple five or six shots that hit inside the presidential car. PS to DVP: this could be one of your many Eureka moments that leads you to the realization that this was an obvious, massive plot. Ozzie, that great American hero who tried to stop the murder of democratic sovereignty, could have shot John Con from the other end of TSBD (for aiding and abetting the plot, along with LHO's personal beefs), but there is no way he could have fired the other shots from at least three other locations. It's all simple physics. When all the genuine physical evidence is admitted. So it still obeys Occam's Razor. Simple, but not impossibly simple like the geocentric universe.

Add to "dented front chrome windshield frame, the cracked windshield itself, and the dented dashboard" the much-neglected dent in the rearview mirror backside (which faces front). Other than the dashboard damage, the other three damages are in somewhat of a line. I believe these were all caused by a Carcano shot from the WEST end of TSBD. Which large fragments, CE567 and 569 were found in the front seat compartment. And, after exploding JFK's head, supposedly, there was absolutely no blood or flesh on those fragments or in all the damages in the windshield areas. Because they hit no body. As Joe Bauer notes, "...that dent (in the chrome-plated steel windshield trim) has an entry angle that looks as if it came in more from the right, versus a straight on angle..." Eureka. There's another problem, the vertical angle, which I'll address to David Von Pein's post. ALSO, there is another damage to the limo, also much-neglected: "...a severe dent in the lower left corner of the chrome panel surrounding the ashtray in the back of the front seat." (p. 245 in J. Fetzer's Assassination Science, Part IV, section "The Wounding of Governor John Connally" by Ron Hepler) I believe this was also by a Carcano bullet originating from the same place, no more than two windows east of the West end of TSBD. The great angle, 20 to 25 degrees right to left through Gov. Con.(just like the round that first struck the chrome windshield frame), eliminates the "sniper's nest" (6th floor SE window) as where that bullet came from, as well.

Back in the day, I too like Robert Harper and Joe Bauer, admired Buckley's style and erudition. I watched Firing Line with the other Sunday political shows, and religiously; it was my church. I figured that with WFB I was getting "the other side." Then in the Reagan years I had a major epiphany that was also a return to the anti-war epiphany of the late sixties, early seventies. The Repubs lambasted Carter and the Dems for allowing a 900 billion national debt to accrue. (Can you say Vietnam?) Then RWR proceeded to triple that debt, and GHWB quadrupled it, by the official numbers. (It was actually worse than that.) My epiphany: the entire nation, esp. the media, will listen blithely while the Pugs criticize everyone to the left of Attila the Hun, and then proceed to be much worse on those exact same issues; I realized then that the American military complex takes every spare shekel, and some that aren't spare, and makes them all disappear into that black magic maw that we ridiculously call "defense." Reagan's Star Wars ambition was when I absolutely Lost It. Americans are the most absolutely politically STUPID creatures who ever existed and who will ever exist. And it's a one-sided, selective stupidity. The right wing can and do get away with anything. When the putsch of generals and robber barons against FDR was exposed, coprocephalic, coprophagic America collectively said, "Aw, 'at's jus' baws bein' baws. No damage done, nothing to see here." And on and on. The American far-right can rob and murder with impunity. Then in 2005, I started investigating the Kennedy and King killings. That was epiphany number three. It was, maddeningly, much worse than I imagined. Around 2007, having built an impressive JFK library, I came across a Best of National Review volume, the fifties and sixties, at a used bookstore. It was dirt cheap, so I thought i'd check it out to see what Billy Bugeye had to say about the events centered around 11/22/63. You may find this hard to believe, but there was not one word about it. I realized what a filthy, pretentious rag was The Nat Rev. The American brand of "conservatism" (which is the opposite of historic conservatism which believed in CONSERVATion and only absolutely necessary wars) may be fiscally dumb as a fence post, but they are bloody geniuses at knowing when and how to ignore. That old saw "The sins of omission are as bad as the sins of commission" means nothing to idiot America anymore. Billy (Crazy-as-Bed-) Bugs, dripping with snot, was the chief mouthpiece and whore for America's high-class thieves and killers. And Billy Bugs was godfather to all but one of E. Howard Hunt's children. They had a little mutual admiration society going, EHH for WFB's Old Money patrician entree, and WFB for EHH's cloak-and-dagger, James Bond, non-existent fantasy. Of the two, only E. Howard had the guts and integrity to make amends. Every word of his "Confessions" to St. John Hunt may not be absolutely perfect, scientific history. That's due to compartmentalization. But it's an honest effort and probably the best we'll ever have from one of the major players. WFB, Jr. wanted EVERYTHING removed about JFK that was good and true. There is no hatred like internecine religious hatred. Billy Bugeye was a different kind of Catholic than the JFK kind. No one hated JFK as much as the secretive, right-wing, money-worshiping wing of Romish Catholicism. Billy Bugs was their leader.

I got on Coast to Coast last night around 4:45 AM. I was surprised they took me so late; I hardly had to wait to get on. Ian Punnett was the guest host (what an apparent oxymoron, ey?). IP was very receptive to me telling about this historic petition/statement. And he gave me a good lead. He said he periodically checks on the Daily Mail websites, both the American and British versions, because they tend to be a good barometer of popular preferences.

Cabal/Coup Logians, Two big things: One, several hours ago, it was announced that President Trump is giving a public address today at 3 PM***. There's a lot on The Donald's plate with the shutdown and all, but I think it's possible he will slip in something about this world petition to Congress to re-investigate the assassinations of the 1960s. He needs something different right now, if only to divert some attention from self-inflicted misery. And he may want to beat John Simkin et al. to the punch, so to speak. Two, I got an idea somewhere on the web while I was surfing looking for early news about the petition. Somehow I got the idea that many regular people are calling their local newspapers and TV/radio informing them that this petition is about to break. Something along the lines of, "Ah, I don't know if you guys are aware of this, mighta got buried in all the same-old, but there's this historic statement/petition being put out today, I think out of England, and it's signed by all these leading scientists, authors, journalists, musicians (is McCartney on there?), and other artists. I think big actors. You know anything about it?" I am going to call my local paper later today. Three, the brilliant timing of this statement, releasing the statement late Saturday. In the States, the Sunday newspapers and Sunday morning political shows will have this info right on time. It'll be fresh. AND it's MLK Day Monday, it is now MLK weekend. I know it's right there at the start of this topic, but what perfect timing, ey? ***Sorry, it was 4 PM, and Agent Orange was of course a few minutes late, in his own house! Drumpfilstiltthinskin made not one mention of the 800,000 federal workers laid off without pay. Oh, and what an innocent naif I am for thinking Hair Furor would mention anything about this petition, or anything that is not his narcissistic self.

Ron B., (No, this should be addressed to Joe Bauer***) Thanks for that. As Kitty Kelley said in many interviews about her sinatra book, he raised big bucks for all Presidents. That's what made him untouchable in this land of lazy, easy-buck, dollar-worshiping politics. The presidents were beholden to him. Sinatra sued Kelley in 1983 over the book. No dice. Hah! Sometimes the system works. ***Ron and Joe, I don't know why I addressed this to Ron when I meant to address Joe. I think it's because you guys both have an amazing knack of relating the macro and micro to the actual yesterday and today. Goes to show that one should not pull an all-nighter. One tends to make obvious mistakes. We cool?

John Simkin: "You too will have a chance to add your name to this powerful statement." David Talbot: "... to this historic petition." Dumb question: Where does one add one's name to this petition? I tell you, the fever is ready to break for this disease that has robbed the blood, sweat, and tears of my generation, The Boomers. Pretty much all the perps have died, esp. with GHW Bush biting the dust. Even David Rockefeller, recipient of about seven live human heart transplants, is gone at age 104. BUT it's important that this be done fairly soon (at least get the ball rolling), while those of us who were sapient by the end of 1963 are still alive. We saw the changes up close and personal. We are both the litmus test and the beneficiary for this whole mess being admitted. For Pete's sake, we already know 99,000 of the 100K pieces of the puzzle that is the coup d'etat of the 1960s, Democracy Terrorized. And the other thousand pieces are coming in clear. IMHO what is needed is a committee of various experts to nail it down. Many of the great works have been done like that, the King James Version of the Bible, most of the plays of Shakespeare, the compilation of the New Testament, and the greatest effort of all: the Athenian Society's translation of Aristophanes. All these committees were anonymous, or at least tried to stay anonymous. Lots of problems averted that way. P.S. To those of you who say, "Yeah, well, the War Con was a committee and you see what a crappy job they did." ---- It was a very purposeful crappy job. They couldn't have peddled that garbage any "better" than they did. It's "masterful".

Douglas, Another great find. You must have an army of scouts looking for gold to pass on to you. And then you pass the pure nuggets to us. We're lucky to have you here. The Mob, led by Frankie Snot (showbiz name "Sinatra"), had done most of "the job" of assassinating Marilyn that weekend at Cal Neva Lodge, shortly before the final murder at her home early August 1962. I won't recount it here; it's almost too horrible to read it in the primary sources. Through Peter Lawford, she learned that RFK, out West at the time, would not see her or have anything more to do with her. Then some of Frankie's boys showed her the pics of what many men and women had done to her that previous weekend at Cal Neva when she was passed out, drunk and drugged. Then, she took a lot of pills and had to have her stomach pumped. This was convenient for the mobsters -- MM was on record as a fading star who was tres careless with pharmaceuticals. Sidenote not in this article: Joe Dimaggio, dumb as a bag of rocks and vindictive*** as Nero's mommy, always believed the Kennedys had something to do with Monroe's death. It was easy for the Mob to convince him of this. So Doltin Joe always carried a vendetta in his heart against Jack, Bobby, and Lawford. When it was Joe Dim's own buddies who did it because MM was out of their control, and p**sed about the way-over-the-line abuse she suffered at the hands of so many men she had been so good to!!! And when the mobsters saw they could get away with killing such a public figure, and a beloved woman to boot, it gave them bushwhackers' courage. Then Medgar Evers right after Kennedy's big civil rights speech June 1963. They all became more emboldened, murder anyone they had a grudge against, and with impunity. Also in this article: * 10/63 Sinatra lost his gaming license. You bet that angered the vindictive punk. And Jack had recently ended their relationship, staying at Bing Crosby's during a Western visit. * Sam Giancana, according to his daughter and others, bilked CIA out of millions of dollars. "To get Castro", he kept stringing them along with that scheme/canard. * More corroboration of Frank Ragano's report that Trafficante, Marcello, and Hoffa were prime movers behind JFKA *** From the 2013 book Still Foolin' 'Em, an example of Joe Dim's vindictive nature, he punched comedian and Yankee fanatic Billy Crystal in the stomach HARD and with no warning after a major Yankees event. Mr. Crystal's provocation? He introduced JD to the crowd without using the epithet "the greatest living baseball player." Heck, JD isn't even the greatest Dimaggio ballplayer. That is Dom, The Professor. By a mile. The entire Red Sox roster that won the World Be Serious this year are all better than Boltin' Joe. (He begged out of WW2 service with foot problems, just like our current president, Agent Orange, got out of Vietnam.)

John Butler, The frame above from the Marie Muchmore film is manna from heaven to me. I've seen it before but couldn't isolate it like this. That is most definitely NOT Phil Willis. Quick trivia question: Who was the first American soldier to capture an enemy combatant in WW2? Time's up, it was Phil Willis at Pearl Harbor, later MAJOR PW. That blurry head in the top and bottom left photos is our old friend JACK RUBY, Jacob Leon Rubenstein. Quick trivia: Why did JR legally take Leon for a middle name? A: He admired a labor leader named Leon Cooke whom he helped to murder in December 1939, and he felt bad about it later. Just like he later felt bad about helping murder JFK. That image is blurry because Jack be nimble, Jack be motoring, probably hopped up on his Preludin. Diet pills, wink, wink. Jack was about to be late, be late for a very important date. Behind the stockade fence atop The Grassy Knoll. He had to get there to help with interference. Jean Hill saw him batting *ss from behind the pergola to the NE end of the fence, while everyone else was frozen in shock or hitting the dirt. I figure the limo didn't pass Ruby until they were halfway down Houston to Elm. That was one slow limo. Phil Willis's head wasn't that fat and he was dressed very differently. And PW didn't have that bun of hair on the back of his head below the bald spot. JR had missed a couple haircuts at that time. Too busy "working" on The Big Event in order to pay the Mob the ~40K he owed them and the ~40K he owed IRS, ~a half million in today's money. JR's time at Dallas Morning News, two blocks from Dealey, is very hazy. He was flitting hither and yon, using the bathroom, gone for stretches. It's quite a coincidence you see PW in that motion blur because it was Phil Willis who, a few minutes later, took a photo of the crowd around the SE corner of TSBD, which included, you guessed it, Jack Ruby. Of course, the WARren COmmisioN cropped that photo, so it was hard to see ol' Jack. But Major Willis did some detective work of his own and PROVED it was that old Chicago hood. I figure JR was gone from DMN for about 15 minutes around 12:30. With all the hubbub, his absence would not be missed. He had been hanging out there, for the flimsiest of reasons!, for much of the morning. Gone a lot of that time. Julia Ann Mercer saw him dropping off a guy with a gun case on the Grassy Knoll, about halfway from the stairs to the RR bridge. About 10:30 to 11:00. Jack was one busy boy that weekend until they locked him up before high noon on the 24th. Again, JB, thanks for that frame.

Joe B.! Could you diagram that first sentence above? Just kidding. Also, that's a heckuva statement. It would be awesome if someone could put it to a well-known tune, e. g., the tune of "It's a Beautiful Morning," except the new title would be "Total Suspension of Disbelief." Or maybe it would go better with a longer song like the mournful "American Pie." Going back over this topic about Earlene Roberts on that fateful fatal day, I'm reminded of the integrity and courage of women bystander witnesses who were drawn into this Charybdis. They were all happy, minding their own business, when the public slaughter of the First Citizen (and the attendant chaos, the murder of J D Tippit, and worse) fell on them like a Steinway grand. Jean Hill, Aquilla Clemmons, Julia Ann Mercer, Wilma Tice, Earlene Roberts, to name a few. They had wildly different stations in life but they had one thing in common: they didn't know how to be dishonest and cowardly. It came as such a shock to them, at first, that someone, anyone around them had ulterior motives, anything other than the clear, simple truth. Great to see you back, Joe. There's something to be said for taking a little break. It is said that Michael Jordan would not touch a basketball once the season was over. A couple of weeks, once three I heard. Until his hands were itching for it. We can get stale, we can overdo it. Moderation in all things, even the virtues I say. Which begs the question, Why are you so kind and considerate? Though now that I think of it, it's good you are that way. We've all had enough unnecessary ugliness. But do you actually read LP's entire posts? After a point when he's talking about himself and his snotty, quack psychology of "the conspiracy mindset", it's all the same nothing, sometimes a waste of space beyond belief. It's fairly easy to scan past it, though again, you are probably too nice for that. "I must give the other 'point of view' a fair, if tedious, hearing." There ain't no point of view there. More like an ocean of laughable, arrogant, intentional blindness. Man, if I have time tonight, I'm gonna tear him a new one, metaphorically speaking, over that last post blowing his nose on a good old struggling housekeeper. It's sad to see you hurt by the digs regarding "mental health, character flaws." Consider the source and it will make you swell with pride. When a skunk says you smell funny it means you don't stink. You have a good and unique take on these matters, both rare. There aren't many of us left. Mort Sahl and Michael Parenti won't be with us forever. Who will take their place?