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  1. For a good look at how he leaned out the window, do a search for "Gerald Hill leaning out TSBD window".
  2. The one thing I notice has nothing to do with this discussion. If Lovelady is standing straight and his head is straight (both appear to be true), in his face forward photo his left ear appears somewhat smaller and the top seems elevated above the level of the right ear. A straight line from the top (and bottom) across his face is slanted upwards to the left.
  3. Jonathan, on the surface your reasoning seems (and is sound). My question would be, How many of these photos/films have been "passed through" various agencies (CIA ["Time-Life"]/FBI/HSCA), examined,studied or in other ways and out of the hands of the owners. I think all or virtually all were. If the CIA was involved (I think they were), those at the top of the conspiracy to kill would be the same ones who could oversee the gathering and censorship of the visual evidence. Those not involved would/could be manipulated by use of the "state secrecy" and internal classification. After all, you wouldn't want to start WWIII by revealing something told to you by the top members of the intelligence agencies (especially in the 1960's/cold war era). Once changes/edits/splices, etc. are in place you can't go back to the originals and no one has anything more than a memory that the photo/film somehow looks different than it did originally. I have seen, heard or read many accounts of the people having made the photos or films saying their memory of what they sent in is slightly different from what was returned. Also, many were simply returned "damaged" by those darn professionals that handled the materials while in "official hands". I feel this accounts for possible alteration in the (Keep It Simple Stupid/Ocams Razor) method. Just my opinion though.
  4. No, Alan that is not it. In the slowed down clips, the figures appear in the most rightward panned frame. The Lovelady left profile is all the way against the edge of the frame 3/4 of the way up and the character who appears to me to be Oswald is the one who has been altered in other films to appear to be the "leaning Lovelady". The unknown individual being debated (about being a woman/Oswald) is to the left and behind in the shadows. I had never noticed the individual to the extreme right having the appearance of Lovelady and had assumed the figure in the center was B F Frazier. Your photo used to ask Andrej to explain the body orientation showed me that this figure was NOT Frazier, but Oswald, due to the Lovelady figure showing up only a few frames away in the extreme right had portion of the frame.
  5. Alan and anyone else interested: The last clip in the above message shows Billy Lovelady in left profile on the extreme right (as viewing) near the top of the landing looking directly west from a position on the right side of the steps with what to me appears to be Lee Oswald towards the center (being represented as Lovelady) in the open top shirt with t-shirt showing.
  6. Just a comment on Andrej's depiction: The Lovelady figure has the coloration for the shirt extending over the raised and outstretched arm and body of Carl Jones and even cuts under his (CJ's) chin. In my studies of this picture, I have found quality copies which show CJ's arm extends all the way up to the folded collar on "Lovelady's" left side and CJ's chin is almost touching his arm. This coloration causes undue distortion and confusion of the figure's posture/position. Andrej has done much to assist in understanding this photo, but this coloration of the shirt needs to be addressed.
  7. Here is a link to a much better copy. Licensed image, however. https://www.gettyimages.fi/detail/uutiskuva/lee-harvey-oswald-passport-uutiskuva/576878118
  8. This picture has always intrigued me. I have no idea who the woman is and have never really noticed her. The man, however looks to me to be the umbrella man. He appears to have a grip on an umbrella in his left hand which extends in a downward angle to the left and also towards his back at an upward angle.
  9. Thanks, Denny. I made the comment out of respect for DSL. Since I always looked forward to reading his responses (or even better, his posts), I always chuckled to myself when I saw him doing the same to others and even coming back to check/correct his own posts. I think it was in his genes also. While I do not normally point out such errors to others posting/responding on the forum, (except to under my breath to myself), I thought it might be OK to do so in respect to a post about him when he doesn't have the ability to do so any longer. You took the comment the way I intended it, there was no malice intended.
  10. Roger, nice post. I do have to say though, you need to go back and make a number of corrections of DSL's name. His name is given as Lipton quite a few times. Sorry, it's in my genes, I proofread/spellcheck constantly (a little OCD, I think).
  11. Vince (and all), I will not debate Hill's foot as I do not have a position on what is going on at this point. You and others have, I hope realized that in the first two pictures of Hill splayed out over the limo his left leg/foot is across the trunk area. In the third picture it is now his right leg hanging across the trunk. Picture number four - where are his legs - either of them? It doesn't appear to be enough room for them between the seat and his visible torso, so how is he twisted into this position?
  12. Thank GOD! It would have been a loooooong 6 years to be represented by a running back that doesn't even know what a pronoun is, much less the duties of a US Senator... And doesn't even live in GA. I was afraid that, like in an op ed penned by a fellow Georgian, I would have to watch "Deliverance" on auto replay until I could understand my fellow citizens. We still have MTG to try to live down for 2 more years. While I'm quoting you I'll chime in on your forum pic as well. I think it was an excellent idea to update the picture. I second the comments made by Kirk. Hope you are getting better each day and have renewed good health.
  13. Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but all the talk of transfer of energy as it relates to the sudden movement of JFK's head at frame 313 has me wondering if the possible frame removal that has been discussed many times on the forum might apply here. I cannot recall the numbers off hand, but I know a number of the photo/film experts have weighed in on what was necessary to alter the speed (MPH) of the limo to get to the numbers used by SS/FBI/WC. If the frames were replaced into the film, would it not slow the speed of the head snap, thereby making it less drastic and more in line with what would be expected per the transfer of energy? I know the speed of the limo was being addressed and also the quick disappearance of blood spray/splatter, but I'm not sure if anyone addressed the slowing of the head snap. Many thanks to Chris Davidson, David Healey and all the others who have meticulously documented the frame removal, overlay processes, speed alteration and the math behind it all.
  14. Thanks, David. I thought that might be the case. The ride from the hotel to the airport, I suppose?
  15. Thanks, Vince. I don't believe I have ever really looked at the photos from San Antonio. At least not knowingly.
  16. Vince, another question on the mixture of photos in this post. Some of them show the dark blue limo and some show what is either a gray or white Lincoln with no jump seats. Are these all of Nov. 22, 1963? I thought the motorcade began at Love Field in the dark blue limo with jump seats and ended in the same limo at Parkland Hospital. I have seen photos of JFK in the light colored Continental, but not on Nov. 22, 1963. Are these just interspersed with the photos of that date?
  17. Vince, is the very 1st picture supposed to be real or is it some sort of parody? It appears to show JFK with Connally to his left in the rear seat and the two women (Jacqueline and Nelly?) in the jump seats. Doesn't represent the motorcade in Dallas and looks altered.
  18. Bingo, Matt. We have the same system here in GA, it's all code by our rebranded Dixiecrats, known now as Republicans. When we get to choose from two black candidates, which isn't often at the state level, the R's back the one that will kowtow, making it difficult to elect a qualified independent candidate.
  19. Thanks, Ron. Same here. Every time I read the topic heading.
  20. Pat, I wrote a long reply, which unfortunately disappeared as I went to post it. I will try to replicate it later. Short answer, for now is no, not necessarily. It is a possibility, but not a necessity. Many unwitting people were used/manipulated in many ways. I will try to replicate my longer reply at a later time.
  21. Paul, I too want to hear David's thoughts on this. I may be wrong, but I think I am agreeing with David. I now think the Zapruder film was part of the plan (known by only those at the topmost level). I think the reason the things looked hastily done, even haphazard, is that the planners at the top level(s) knew the desired result but sent orders down the chain as reaction to the events as they were occurring. These planners knew the whole scope of operations in play and had control of enough levers to make things go in the direction they needed by simply inserting puzzle pieces as needed and leaving out those not needed. This allowed for a messy (but controlled) scenario with people at various levels within the plot tripping over the unused puzzle pieces and failing to find the inter-connections. The pieces were there to work within many puzzles, but only those needed for the "true" picture as laid out by the top echelon were allowed to be developed. Since no plan goes exactly as plotted, the people at the top had already reckoned for "on the fly" corrections, which I think goes all the down to the survival of Oswald and his killing by Jack Ruby. Since only these few people knew all the interconnections, they knew where to direct the various orders to the correct people/groups without a straight line connection up the chain. Some of the anomalies came into play because of people involved (and even some not involved) made decisions within their scope of authority on their own or under direction from their chain of command which was not part of the top level planning, but WAS controllable nevertheless. The true planning was like the drawing of interconnected circles (Venn Diagram). The center connects to all circles individually, but some of the circles can be connected to others without necessarily having intervention from the center.
  22. I definitely do not have the expertise that many on the forum possess, especially DSL, but I think the plot was like an onion and like most all CIA operations. It was compartmentalized. The actual planners knew exactly what result they wanted (JFK dead). In order to carry that plan out however, they motivated individuals and groups by means of the old carrot on a stick. To them, it did not matter what particular groups or individuals thought they were doing or why, only that they carried out their parts. By doing this, it makes the overall operation much more secure and one layer of players doesn't even know the real reason for some of the actions they are/have taken. It also makes it almost impossible to comprehend the entirety and tie things together. It also leads to many dead ends if trying to piece it all together with one cohesive track. Consider it this way: Each layer was being manipulated by another and only those at the source really had to know the full plan. This would explain the many so called errors/clean up operations which seem at odds with each other. Each layer of the group, had their own motivations/sources/methods which were being covered up, but for different reasons which often did not match up with the overall plan. The few at the top of the plan would have only to drop a few breadcrumbs to steer investigators where they wanted them, or at least away from the true direction to the top.
  23. Ditto. The only person on the forum I have used the "ignore" button on.
  24. Matthew, I read and I comprehend what I read or if not, I ask for clarification. You evidently skim/speed read, otherwise you would have seen where the quote used in my previous post came from. I will now put you on ignore and no longer read any of your posts as you're obviosly not here for anything of value - only to bloviate. Adios! Just in case you have any problem deciphering what that means: blo·vi·ate /ˈblōvēˌāt/ Learn to pronounce verb informal•US verb: bloviate; 3rd person present: bloviates; past tense: bloviated; past participle: bloviated; gerund or present participle: bloviating talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.
  25. William, I too don't think that will be the outcome either. They could and absolutely should simply deny hearing the request. If they do not, it starts to get dicey. I'm just not sure there is any morality, true judgement or patriotism by those on the right who will not condemn the cult of Trump. I am not a lawyer or legal scholar, but I don't believe there is any legal grounds for the things Trump is claiming. It's like the burglar who stole all your possessions and then claims they are his when he is caught and sues to get them back.
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