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Interesting account of JFK affair, Gore Vidal
Joe Bauer replied to Cory Santos's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Juicing of JFK stats? No. The thing with the Giants was often this team talent dichotomy of half the players being power hitting superstars ( each one could have been another team lifting super star on their own like Orlando Cepeda ) and the other half being mediocre at best! Hal Lanier could barely bat his weight! Tito could bat 250 and get a decent amount of doubles but he was never close to being an all star talent. Jimmy Davenport was a really good defensive player but another 250 to 260 light weight hitter. Dick Dietz? Please. When this weak part of the Giants line came up to bat it was time to go buy a hot dog, go to the bathroom, clip your fingernails or walk around the stadium and check out the odd looking characters in the stands like the loud yelling "PEANUTS! GET YOUR PEANUTS HERE" vendors. And the Giants were always just short in the 3rd pitcher department beyond Marichal and Gaylord Perry. They never had that "Don Sutton" to carry them all the way. This trip down 1960's MLB nostalgia memory lane is fun, but getting back to JFK... Why do so many compare and hold JFK up to a Pope and Mother Theresa sexual morality standard? His one self-indulgent and debatably indecent propensity for extramarital promiscuity was never viewed anywhere near the end-all sin in over half the world. And it's nothing compared to the political leader sins of murder, corruption, anti-democracy agendas, personal greed and power obsession, societal neglect, war mongering, etc. And the wild adoration and crowd size reaction to JFK's foreign countries parade visiting worldwide seemed to rival those of the Pope! The adoration context was different of course. Adoration without the guilt. -
Interesting account of JFK affair, Gore Vidal
Joe Bauer replied to Cory Santos's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Bobby Bonds was a great player...without steroids. If he had juiced himself like his son he would have doubled his home run output. Barry Bonds godfather is Willie Mays. At one point the Giants had all these power hitters on the same team at the same time: Willie Mays Willie McCovey Bobby Bonds Jimmy Ray Hart -
Interesting account of JFK affair, Gore Vidal
Joe Bauer replied to Cory Santos's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Big G man fan from the 60's and 70's here. My first time seeing the Giants at the stick, they scored 15 runs....and LOST! The Padres beat them 16 to 15. The Giants fired their manager right after the game. Clyde King Or Charlie Fox. -
Interesting account of JFK affair, Gore Vidal
Joe Bauer replied to Cory Santos's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Was Diem and his family involved with the drug trade? Seems some American picks for puppet government leadership positions were incredibly corrupt. Marcos acquired BILLIONS siphoning America aid monies intended for Filippino humanitarian programs, yes? Swiss bank accounts. 5,000 pairs of shoes for Imelda? Expensive gifts given to American actor George Hamilton? Marcos was certainly allowed to stay in power a long time despite his incredible corruption. He took care of political rival Benigno Aquino Jr. Post-Haste. Ruthless guy. -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Joe Bauer replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
I saw a male mannequin in Macy's yesterday that was exactly identical to Mike Pence! I mean exactly! Even with the facial expression above! Could Pence be a manufactured cyborg? -
National T.V. news source yes. National public radio to a degree as well. I am not a big Maddow fan personally however. For different reasons, some of which are stated here. I used to like Keith Olbermann. In my view, this so-called national news reporting centrist point of view regards what is really going on in our world has been greatly skewed. The framing of Fox News as being extremely right wing, MSNBC as being extremely left wing and the other biggie MSM news organizations ( both television and radio ) generally being more middle ground balanced or centrist in their news coverage is a false reality perception imo. Looking at this like a children's see-saw ride or weight scale with Fox News on one end, MSNBC on the other end with a more reasonably minded balance ( main stream media ) in the middle, I feel that in my lifetime, that so called MSM middle ground scale balance has been moved much more to the right in the last 40+ years. Fox News is not just so far right to the extreme (unlike any national news media we have ever seen before) but also truly a Wag-The-Dog propaganda machine that manipulates the news through blatant selective editing and slanted coverage, shamelessly promoting their controlling power group's agendas over objective news reporting. For many reasons, our main stream media has lost it's generally perceived balanced perspective credibility. In the least to this degree: They don't ( and never have ) meaningfully and responsibly called out Fox News on their most outrageously blatant and dangerously biased manipulation of the news which violates the most sacred "truth in reporting" tenets that Americans have generally trusted most of our MSM to at least strive for. All of our MSM should have angrily reported Trump's January 6th, 2021 Capital building attack coup actions as one of the most egregious Democracy threatening and constitution violating acts by a sitting president ever! Demanding a national outrage reprimand if not arrest for not just it inflaming and inspiring the attack but neglecting to stop it and instead keep it going for over 3 hours while hundreds were injured and our entire congress traumatized by this life and death threat attack. They remained silent. Only MSNBC reported this event for what it was. And act of extreme violence sedition. In so doing they have enabled this hugely financed, far right wing / corporate agenda favoring propaganda machine to do it's massive manipulated news damage which is probably the greatest single society influencing source that has inspired our unprecedented national division and tribal anger mind set. MSNBC is the only national news media organization that meaningfully exposes, calls out and counters the most crazy manipulated Fox propaganda machine spoutings for what they are. MSNBC is the true balance to the American political news truth imo. Not our traditional MSM. When Fox throws out some ridiculously edited news coverage ( or non-coverage ) that a junior high school student could see is laughably far right biased, you just don't see ABC, CBS, even Politico and/or the other so-called MSM organizations call them on this. Especially the trumpeting and defending of Trump and his base. So, when MSNBC does call out the most outrageous Fox propaganda shenanigans...they are considered far left, even radically so? Sorry, not true. The truth is our so-called middle ground MSM has lost their sense of the true meaning and importance of our revered "truth in reporting" 4th estate tenets and along with that, what is the true middle ground anymore. They have apathetically, irresponsibly and business profit mindedly allowed this farthest right/corporate propaganda machine magnet to pull their truth directional fulcrum to the right of center. IMO anyways.
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Interesting account of JFK affair, Gore Vidal
Joe Bauer replied to Cory Santos's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Thought provoking interview. -
Sheridan failed in his Garrison discrediting assignment to "shoot him down." Garrison's 1967 nationally broadcast, prime time "Equal Time" rebuttal to NBC's hit piece was so eloquently stated with a Gregory Peck/Atticus Finch creamy baritone resonance speaking tone, manner, bearing and thoughtfully paced style and intelligent weightiness it really came across as an astoundingly profound, moving and most important American history warning message television event. Simply great speech theater performance. Even Shakespearean imo. Johnny Carson also failed to bring Garrison down when he brought Garrison onto his national TV show. Carson was embarrassed and even angered by the fact the majority of his audience greeted Garrison with a wildly enthusiastic entrance applause and were clearly more inclined toward Garrison's conspiracy proposition cause than his attempt to discredit it. Garrison's paternal manner wise and protective NBC rebuttal speech to millions of Americans showcased his integrity and intelligence image to such a weighty degree, it brought him much more national support and respect than any of his enemies ever expected.
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The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Joe Bauer replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Plan? He has already done so! -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Joe Bauer replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
UN... BE... LIEVABLE ! The head shaking craziness never ends! If Georgians send this embarrassment to our Senate "they" should be censured! -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Joe Bauer replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
It all seems so confusingly scatter brained. Twitter falling apart right before everyone's eyes. Musk is looking almost mentally unbalanced. Those top officials of those banks who okayed giving Musk the Twitter monies should be found, questioned, exposed, fired and sued! It sounds exactly like Trump scam stuff. Banks bankrolling everything. Everything over-valued. Everything crashing soon after a purchase. Like Trump Casino's doing the IPO thing, with stock over-valued super high right before the IPO...and then crashing immediately to less than a dollar a share right after. Wiping out millions invested in the IPO. But Trump cashed out just before the crash. Walked away with millions. Stiffing suckered thousands of IPO share buyers and dozens of building contractors that were never paid. Trump also manipulated and used the bankruptcy laws to stiff em all. -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Joe Bauer replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Will the Hershel Walker "ERECTION" obsession gaff issue decide the Georgia Senate election? Will the Repubs GRAB ONTO this hot button issue and turn it into a ... Our candidate is BIGGER than your candidate media blitz campaign? Offering bigger grilled hot dogs at outdoor rallies than the dem candidate? Maybe transporting Hershey around to whistle/speaking tour stops in an erection replica bus? How about an erection shaped VOTE WALKER advertisement blimp? Or Walker "Erection" stick mounted signs to be waved about in their campaign crowd audiences? Lapel pins? Ball caps? T-shirts? What a great campaign slogan thing this ERECTION issue is turning out to be Our guy Hershey is the best ERECTION candidate! YEAH BABY...YEAH! WHOOOHAW!!! And a tougher stronger WEREWOLF versus that weaker VAMPIRE Warnock! -
Gerald Posner ROASTED in JFK poll
Joe Bauer replied to Lori Spencer's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
When the Ferrie/Lee Harvey Oswald junior cadet CAP camp out photo surfaced "Ferrie never knew Oswald" Posner's credibility was instantly ruined. 98% of the last two generations of Americans probably never read much about the JFK ass. except occasional national news articles and seeing National Enquirer front page headlines while standing in grocery store check out lines. We who were older than 5 or 6 on 11,22,1963 saw a lot in the way of JFK conspiracy books, articles, news, documentaries, interviews etc. Every anniversary for 30 years the massive audience Coast To Coast AM radio show made the JFK assassination the main topic of conversation. Mark Lane was famous and widely reported. Jim Garrison made the JFK A. main stream news for years. His appearance on Johnny Carson was a national audience event. In my opinion, anyone who witnessed Ruby shooting Oswald to death right inside the DPD basement with 70 armed security around LIVE on national TV were shocked ( forced ) into sensing a conspiracy. You are talking 10's of millions of Americans! Then when LBJ chose the seriously JFK hating adversary Allen Dulles and FBI informant Gerald Ford to be on the investigation committee to "find out who really killed JFK and why?" Americans had just another reason to feel more suspicion and doubt about it all. LBJ "himself" in a 1969 interview by Walter Cronkite said " I don't think anyone can be absolutely sure whether others may have been involved" in the JFK shooting. WHAT !!! ??? How many perfectly reasonable other reasons do LNers need to hear to understand why the majority of Americans feel the weight of logic forces them to consider a conspiracy explanation versus a LN one regards the JFK assassination? If LBJ himself had doubt about the LN scenario ...where do you go from there? There are 100 powerful side stories a complete JFK assassination neophyte could find in just a "Cliff's Notes" search of the event suggesting conspiracy versus far less suggesting the LN finding. Sylivia Odio Orest Pena Camp Street address on Oswald's flyers Ferrie's CAP cadet campout photo with Oswald Dallas police dispatcher Billy Grammer Dallas Sheriff Al Maddox Well credentialed journalist Seth Kantor meeting Jack Ruby in Parkland hospital the early afternoon of 11,22,1963 D.A. Henry Wade pretending he didn't personally know Jack Ruby in his first press conference Julia Ann Mercer Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry claiming only 25 Dallas police officers even knew Jack Ruby Rose Cheramie and LA state police Officer Frances Fruge Governor Connelly's main surgeon stating he did not believe the "Magic Bullet" could not have caused the internal injury damage to Connally. JFK autopsy head Commander Humes stating he didn't weigh JFK's missing parts brain and didn't know who did or why it's weight was listed as heavier than a normal man's intact brain. And on and on and on. Lyndon Johnson interview with Walter Cronkite, … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5psrZmT0tY -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Joe Bauer replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
I still can't understand Texans letting CANCUN CRUZ off the hook for deserting them in the middle of that record breaking freeze a couple of years ago ( that left millions of them in dire straits including torturous hypothermic deaths ) all while he ( Raphael Cruz ) went South to Mexico to tan on the beaches of Cancun in shorts and straw hat, drinking Mai Tais and ogling the bikini babes walking about. Sorry my freezing fellow Texans...I need some time alone on the beaches of CanCun "first" before tending to your stinkin' badge needs...comprende? -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Joe Bauer replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
WOW! Looking like Twitter may be Musk's Edsel / Delorean /Trump Casinos. -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Joe Bauer replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
My postings are always being outdone and outshined by our newer members like John C. I will only take credit for initiating the basic take context of our mutually inspired postings. -
Calvin, yes this is one of the best articles on this subject of Hunt and his so-called confession. I am going to paste it onto this post in it's entirety because I believe it is incredibly enlightening as to so much more regards Hunt and others who have been proposed as having something to do with the JFK assassination. Probably nobody here will open the link you have provided yet they may be inclined to read the article if it is laid out right in front of their eyes. Blowing Smoke From the Grave: E. Howard Hunt and the JFK Assassination Oct 2, 2009 - by Don Fulsom - 0 Comments June 6, 2007 updated Jan. 25, 2010 http://www.crimemagazine.com/images/07-ehowardhunt-bwsm.jpg E. Howard Hunt Howard St. John Hunt, the son of super-spook E. Howard Hunt is now peddling a story that his father rejected an offer to take part in plot by rogue CIA agents to kill President Kennedy. Isn't it about time a congressional committee finds out what the CIA's role was in the assassination? by Don Fulsom Was a key Richard Nixon cohort in past and future covert intelligence operations – then-CIA agent E. Howard Hunt – in Dallas the day President Kennedy was killed in 1963? During a 1985 libel trial brought by Hunt against Spotlight – a newsletter owned by rightwing Liberty Lobby – for publishing an article in August of 1978 written by former CIA agent Victor Marchetti entitled "CIA to Admit Hunt Involvement in Kennedy Slaying," CIA operative Marita Lorenz swore she saw Hunt in Dallas the night before the assassination; Hunt co-worker Walter Kuzmuk at the CIA said he could not recall having seen Hunt between November 18th and sometime in December of 1963; and Joseph Trento, a reporter for the Wilmington News & Journal, insisted he had once seen an internal CIA memo that said, "Someday we will have to explain Hunt's presence in Dallas on November 22, 1963." Hunt, by the way, lost the case. Most notorious for directing Nixon's Watergate burglary, Hunt died at 88 in January, 2007, in Miami. But Hunt's son – Howard St. John (known as "St. John") Hunt of Eureka, Calif., – is now peddling a story that his dad rejected an offer to take part in plot by rogue CIA agents to kill President Kennedy. In an interview with the Los Angeles Times, St. John Hunt does admit to telling previous lies about his dad's whereabouts on that fateful day. He says he was instructed by Hunt in 1974 to back up an alibi for his whereabouts. "I did a lot of lying for my father in those days," St. John confessed. E. Howard Hunt's most frequently used alibi for that day was that he was at his Potomac, Maryland home watching TV with his children. Yet, asked in a Slate interview in 2004 about "conspiracy theories about your being in Dallas the day JFK was killed," E. Howard Hunt nervously replied "No comment." St. John Hunt, now 52, says his dad left him with enough juicy material about the JFK assassination to fill a book – and that he hopes to do just that. The material, St. John says, was cut from his dad's recent memoir, American Spy: My Secret History in the CIA, Watergate and Beyond, because the elder Hunt's attorney was worried he could face perjury charges if he recanted sworn testimony. Does St. John think his planned book will reflect badly on his father? "I don't think it was terrible that he was approached (with the assassination plot) and turned them down," he told the newspaper. In his memoir, E. Howard Hunt suggested that Vice President Lyndon Johnson might have headed the plot to murder JFK. Though Johnson disliked the Kennedys – especially Bobby – and profited most from President Kennedy's murder, few scholars believe LBJ was in on the conspiracy. Not long ago, the History Channel was forced to yank from its lineup, and apologize for, a program supporting that theory. In the Los Angeles Times and, later, in Rolling Stone, St. John said his dad definitely alleged that LBJ led the plot. And Rolling Stone printed the names of the men Hunt identified as the main conspirators: David Atlee Phillips, a Hunt friend and CIA propaganda expert who first worked with Hunt in helping to overthrow a leftist government in Guatemala in 1954. He was the chief of covert action in Mexico City in 1963. Phillips later ran President Nixon's successful CIA-led campaign to overthrow Chilean President Salvador Allende. Cord Meyer, a CIA agent and disinformation specialist. Meyer's beautiful bohemian ex-wife, Mary Pinchot Meyer, had had an affair with JFK. At age 43, Mary was killed by two professionally placed bullets, fired from up close, as she jogged on a canal towpath near the Potomac River in Washington. Bill Harvey, a CIA veteran with connections to the failed CIA-backed Bay of Pigs invasion in 1961, and to Mafia godfathers Santos Trafficante and Sam Giancana. Frank Sturgis, a CIA operative and Hunt pal who once boasted to another CIA operative Marita Lorenz that "We killed Kennedy." In 1972, Sturgis was arrested as one of Nixon's Hunt-supervised Watergate burglars. David Morales, a CIA agent who helped train Cuban exiles for the Bay of Pigs. He also ran CIA-assassination programs in South America and Vietnam. In a drunken tirade in 1973, he said to his close friend Ruben Carbajal, "We took care of that son of a bitch (President Kennedy), didn't we?" Antonio Veciana, a Cuban exile and the founder of the militant CIA-backed "Alpha 66." Veciana told a Senate investigator he once saw alleged JFK assassin Lee Harvey Oswald talking with a CIA man he knew as "Maurice Bishop" – widely believed to have been David Atlee Phillips's CIA code name. In Rolling Stone, St. John Hunt also said dad his told him there was a "French gunman" firing from the famed grassy knoll in Dealey Plaza. And he clearly recalled his mother telling him, on Nov. 22 1963, that his dad was on a business trip to Dallas. Does St. John's tale ring true? Perhaps in that last crucial area – his dad's whereabouts on that dark day. For the most part, however, it could just be that E. Howard Hunt was practicing what was known during Watergate as a "modified limited hang out." John Ehrlichman, the Nixon aide who dealt with the CIA, coined that term. It has come to mean a reluctant partial release of information. This is only slightly different than what is known at the CIA as a "limited hangout." Former CIA agent Victor Marchetti once defined that term as "spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the clandestine professionals. When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting – sometimes even volunteering – some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts of the case." Both hangout tactics were used by Hunt many times before. Even while facing death, it seems, his old habits were hard to kick. He appears to have released to his son heaping helpings of disinformation carefully mixed with small portions of the full and true story – a mixture that would paint him in heroic and patriotic hues for the benefit of his family and his own legacy. "E. Howard Hunt Rejected Kennedy Conspirators"! That's the way he might have written the headline. Hunt was a talented writer – the author of scores of spy novels and the ghostwriter of the memoirs of CIA boss Allen Dulles. The real E. Howard Hunt, however, was a CIA loyalist, a gun-toting super-spook and propaganda expert who was close to Richard Nixon, and to top CIA officials, including Dulles, Richard Helms and James Jesus Angleton. Was he still protecting such men – as well as himself? That seems more reasonable. Even on his deathbed, Hunt was not likely to make a full display of what the agency calls "the family jewels." He was too much of a Company man. It seems likelier that the old master of disinformation was now blowing a little post-mortem smoke to deflect suspicion away from the real major players behind the JFK murder. Until his final "confession," E. Howard Hunt was destined to be remembered by history mainly as President Nixon's chief White House spy – a former senior CIA officer who served 33 months in prison for his role as a leader of the Watergate burglary. Now, however, it becomes much easier to at least believe that Hunt was in Dallas on Nov. 22 1963 – just as the jury at the libel suit concluded in that 1985 trial. What could have been the purpose of Hunt's "business trip" to Dallas? To stop the plot? It seems more logical to believe that Hunt was among the collaborators. The following little-known links between E. Howard Hunt and the JFK assassination seem to support that line of thinking: In New Orleans in the early 1960s, Hunt worked out of the same office building – perhaps even the same office – as Lee Harvey Oswald. On behalf of the CIA, Hunt had set up a dummy organization called "The Cuban Revolutionary Council" at 544 Camp Street – the same address Oswald put on pro-Castro leaflets he handed out. That very building, which was close to the local offices of both the CIA and the FBI, also housed the detective agency of former FBI agent Guy Banister, who associated with leaders of the CIA, the Mafia, Cuban exile groups, and with suspected JFK assassination plotter David Ferrie. According to a business acquaintance, Banister himself remarked "on several occasions that someone should do away with Kennedy." Banister and all those with whom he rubbed elbows blamed JFK for the failure of the 1961 CIA-backed invasion of Cuba. They felt the president acted in a cowardly fashion in not providing adequate air cover for the exile invaders. Future president Richard Nixon said Kennedy's behavior was "near criminal." All parties were keenly interested in ousting, even killing, Castro. Then, there's the handwritten "Dear Mr. Hunt" letter. Famous among JFK assassination researchers, it is dated "Nov. 8, 1963." It reads: "I would like information concerding (sic) my position. I am asking only for information. I am suggesting that we discuss the matter fully before any steps are taken by me or anyone else. Thank you. (signed) Lee Harvey Oswald." The letter, which bears a Mexican postmark, was sent to assassination researcher Penn Jones. According to three handwriting experts, the letter was indeed written by Oswald. Was E. HowardHunt the Hunt addressed in the letter? It is highly likely that he was. It just so happens that Hunt was the acting CIA station chief in Mexico City at the time Oswald is supposed to have turned up there, according to Hunt's biographer. In Compulsive Spy: The Strange Career of E. Howard Hunt, Tad Szulc also reported that Hunt probably knew something about why the CIA destroyed its audio tapes and photos of a mystery man in Mexico City who purported to be Oswald, but who turned out not be him. Researcher Joan Mellen argues persuasively in A Farewell to Justice that Oswald was a CIA employee who also worked for the New Orleans FBI office, as well as for U.S. Customs. She claims Oswald was closely connected to CIA-sponsored anti-Castro figures in New Orleans, and with JFK assassination suspects Clay Shaw and David Ferrie. Back when Nixon was vice president, he and the CIA's Hunt secretly plotted an invasion of Cuba, and favored the murder of Castro. The CIA eventually brought the Mafia into those assassination plots. In addition, Hunt "helped run operations for Nixon against (Greek shipping tycoon) Aristotle Onassis in the late 1950s, when Nixon was vice president under Eisenhower," according to researchers Robert Groden and Harrison Livingstone. Robert Maheu – a man connected to the CIA, the Mafia, and to Nixon – also took part in those secret anti-Onassis schemes. Maheu later disclosed that Vice President Nixon whispered to him at the time, "If it turns out we have to kill the bastard, just don't do it on American soil." Guy Banister's secretary and Lee Harvey Oswald's brother are among those who said Oswald was a frequent visitor to Banister's office. Ex-CIA agent Victor Marchetti has linked Hunt (and Hunt's old CIA buddy and fellow future Watergater, Frank Sturgis) to David Ferrie. Hunt's CIA-connected pal Bernard Barker – known as "Hunt's Shadow" because the two men were so close – was also spotted in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. Assassination witness Seymour Weitzman identified Barker as the man on the grassy knoll who posed as a Secret Service agent and kept people out of the area. Nine years later, under Hunt's supervision, Barker and four other CIA men broke into the Watergate on behalf of President Nixon. In Mafia Kingfish, Carlos Marcello and the Assassination of John F. Kennedy, Mafia expert John Davis notes that Bernard Barker "had been very much involved with the Cuban Revolutionary Council in Miami, a Cuban exiles group that was closely linked to the Cuban Revolutionary Democratic Front in New Orleans." Davis says New Orleans Mafia godfather Carlos Marcello supported the New Orleans group – with money funnelled to the group through his jack-of-all-trades David Ferrie. Davis adds there are "credible links" between Barker and Jack Ruby, the Dallas striptease club owner who killed Oswald two days after the JFK assassination. As we have seen, Watergate burglar Frank Sturgis also had JFK assassination links. At the 1985 libel trial involving Hunt's links, CIA operative Marita Lorenz – a former Castro mistress and a friend of Sturgis – placed Sturgis, as well as Hunt and Jack Ruby, at a Dallas CIA "safe house" the night before the assassination. Sturgis himself admitted being questioned by the FBI shortly after the JFK slaying. He recalled agents telling him, "Frank, if there's anybody capable of killing the President of the United States, you're the guy who can do it." Believe it or not Richard Nixon was in Dallas on Nov. 22nd. Was he really there for his stated purpose – a PepsiCo convention (Nixon was Pepsi's chief lawyer at the time)? Or could his presence have been some sort of signal to his friends in the Mob and the CIA and among the Cuban exiles – the eventual chief suspects of JFK assassination conspiracy theorists? Chicago Mob boss Sam Giancana proudly told relatives that – as the mastermind of the JFK assassination plot – he was also in Dallas at the time. He claimed he and Nixon had a pre-assassination meeting there to discuss the plot. Why did Nixon later try to cover up his presence in Dallas that day? Why did he lie to the FBI about it? Why did he express fear to an aide Stephen Hess that he would be blamed for JFK's murder? Why did he tell at least four different versions of how he heard of the assassination? Did he meet with Giancana in Dallas? Or with Hunt? Did he meet there with Jack Ruby – an informer for a young California Congressman Richard Nixon in 1947? Why did Nixon hold a conference of top GOP leaders at his New York apartment about his political future the day after the assassination? Shouldn't some congressional committee or sharp prosecutor question St. John Hunt under oath? After all, we're talking about the greatest unsolved political crime in American history. What kind of proof does he have to back up his claim? The Los Angeles Times describes as "inconclusive" the materials he produced for them. These materials apparently include a videotape of E. Howard Hunt. Why not subpoena the tape? And shouldn't some investigative entity grill Hunt's old White House boss, Charles Colson? After all, Colson was present when President Nixon declared in May 1972 that the Warren Commission staged "the greatest hoax that has ever been perpetuated" in finding that Oswald was Kennedy's lone killer. What does Colson know about that particular Nixon comment on a White House tape released in 2002? And what might Colson know about Nixon's 1972 attempt to gain CIA help in the Watergate cover-up by trying to blackmail CIA chief Richard Helms over the secrets that E. Howard Hunt might blab? Secrets about the CIA's links to "the Bay of Pigs?" Top Nixon aide Bob Haldeman later revealed that "the Bay of Pigs" was Nixon/CIA code for the JFK assassination. Haldeman maintained that the CIA pulled off a "fantastic cover-up" of its role in the JFK assassination. In 1972, shortly after the Watergate burglary, on Nixon's orders, Haldeman tried to get CIA boss Helms to tell the FBI to stop investigating the break-in on grounds that it could hurt CIA operations. Helms lost his composure when Haldeman mentioned that Hunt's connection to the burglary could re-open "the whole Bay of Pigs thing." According to Haldeman, Helms, "a typically cold-as-a-cucumber, icy, super-spy type guy, came totally unglued … He leaped up in enormous excitement, concern and panic and said, 'This has nothing to do with the Bay of Pigs.'" After calming down, Helms did agree to talk to the FBI. On Nixon's behalf, aide John Ehrichman made several futile attempts to pry agency "Bay of Pigs" files out of Helms. Ehrlichman's notes show the president wanted the CIA chief to turn over the "full file" because Nixon himself was "deeply involved." Though he hated confrontations, Nixon had pressed Helms for the "Bay of Pigs" secrets at a meeting back on October 8, 1971. Ehrlichman sat in. His notes quote Nixon as telling Helms: "Purpose of request for documents: must be fully advised in order to know what to duck; won't hurt Agency, nor attack predecessor." Helms answers: "Only one president at a time; I only work for you." Yet the CIA boss never did comply with that particular presidential directive. A statement made later by Watergate burglar and former CIA operative Frank Sturgis supports the possibility that the "Bay of Pigs" phrase, when used in Nixon's White House, was a euphemism for the JFK assassination. Sturgis said Nixon asked Helms "several times" for "the files on the Kennedy assassination but Helms refused to give it to him, refused a direct order from the president." Sturgis even claimed the Watergate break-in was a CIA operation designed to topple Nixon because the agency felt he was becoming overly interested in the JFK murder. Backing Sturgis's assertion that the CIA failed to obey Nixon's order is a new Watergate tape of a May 18, 1973 conversation in which Haldeman tells Nixon: "(Helms says the CIA) has nothing to hide in the Bay of Pigs. Well, now, Ehrlichman tells me in just the last few days that isn't true. CIA was very concerned about the Bay of Pigs, and in the investigation apparently he was doing on the Bay of Pigs stuff. At some point, there is a key memo missing that CIA or somebody has caused to disappear that impeded the effort to find out what really did happen on the Bay of Pigs." There's yet another reason to believe Haldeman's take on the "Bay of Pigs." The CIA's own top-secret report on the invasion – when it was finally declassified in 1998 – disclosed major agency blunders and criticized the failure to inform President Kennedy "success had been dubious." But the report contains absolutely nothing that could be interpreted as sensitive to national security. "The Bay of Pigs" gets frequent mention on those new Watergate tapes. And the term is usually employed in ways that coincide with Haldeman's decoded translation. The new tapes are also studded with deletions – segments deemed by government censors as too sensitive for public scrutiny. "National Security" is usually cited. Not surprisingly, such deletions often occur during discussions involving E. Howard Hunt, the Bay of Pigs and John F. Kennedy. Isn't it long past time when these censored sections of the tapes are declassified? The forewoman of the jury that ruled against E. Howard Hunt in 1985 – Leslie Armstrong – told reporters afterwards that the jurors had faced a "very, very difficult" task because the attorney for the defense, Mark Lane, "wanted us to say our own government had killed our president. We listened to the evidence very carefully. We discussed it. We concluded that the CIA killed President Kennedy; and I call upon the United States government to do something about that." More than 20 years later, the government still has not done anything about that. Update 01/25/2009: After this article was originally published, St. John Hunt conceded that his dad had not told him the entire truth about the JFK assassination. In what he termed "probably the last interview I'll do," E. Howard Hunt's son said the longtime CIA spy had disclosed only "some of what he knew," and that "it's quite possible" his dad did "minimalize (sic) his role the JFK hit." "If only I had been able to stay with him longer and we were able to keep our project a secret from the rest of the family I would have been able to get the whole story," St. John told "Waking the Midnight Sun," a Web site devoted to "magic and realism, high weirdness and everyday life." St. John Hunt blamed his sisters, his father's second wife, and the senior Hunt's lawyer—who kept raising the prospect of lawsuits—for putting pressure on the legendary spy, which "resulted in him withdrawing his efforts to bring the truth out." The junior Hunt called his father's lawyer "a snake and quite possibly a 'handler' for the (CIA)." Aside from possibly hiding his own role in the JFK assassination, E. Howard Hunt may have "left out" the involvement of CIA Director Richard Helms, St. John said. "My father's loyalty to Helms is well known, and of course we all know that Helms was a master at getting the dirty work done while keeping his own involvement above suspicion." St. John Hunt also confirmed that his father set up a CIA front called The Cuban Revolutionary Council in New Orleans, and said his father might have met Lee Harvey Oswald in the office building both men reportedly used in there. "Certainly their paths crossed very closely and my father was training Cubans for the invasion in Guatemala around New Orleans." Don Fulsom covered the Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Clinton presidencies as a reporter. He has written articles about Richard Nixon and Watergate for a number of publications, including The Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune, Esquire and the online magazine Crime. Topics:
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The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Joe Bauer replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
I believe the interview of the grizzled, gruff mumbling, meth twitching fellow linked in a previous post is Aldrich's biological father? Kind of a "Dog The Bounty Hunter" look-a-like? Only without the bleached blond exaggerated "Joe Dirt" hair cut and more drugged addled nervous acting and incoherent speaking? Also looking like a dangerous Georgia mountains backwoods character out of the famous Burt Reynolds/ Ned Beatty film "Deliverance?" "Wheee, Wheee!" This guy has some serious criminal charge time in prison? He is a homophobic, Mormon, ex-con, ex-porn star? Now THERE's a stellar "Linked In" resume. Used to beat the crap out of Aldrich's mother? What a winner. I gotta guess he is a Trump supporter? And Aldrich's mother has big issues herself? The boy had to be sent to his grandparents for his own basic survival well being? Millions of American children are born into this type of dysfunctional, emotionally damaging chaos. So prevalent it's tragically typical in many parts of our country. Especially in our most economically depressed class areas. Societal ills neglecting America is a mammoth sized factory churning out these damaged kids ... by the millions. God help them and the rest of us who may see them angrily and violently act out at some point like this young man Aldrich. -
Another conundrum mystery to me is the complete dismissal of the E. Howard Hunt's near end-of-life taped confessional story of an LBJ/Cord Meyer orchestrated JFK assassination plan, partially involving Hunt and his fellow covert action team members Frank Sturgis, Marita Lorenz, et al. Code named ... "The Big Event." Madeline Brown and many other fringe characters who make fantastic claims of guilty parties and nefarious meetings are easy to dismiss simply because of their lowest level societal and government standings. E. Howard Hunt however was involved in so many major American foreign and domestic secret agency doings at "the highest levels" for decades! This guy knew enough and was highly connected enough to bring down Presidents! Yet, his fantastic tale of JFK assassination guilty party genesis is never even talked about or debated. One of the most ignored stories of that milieu ever. Madeline Brown's and Judyth Vary Baker's who-done-it claims get 100 X the coverage and debate engagement? Even if Hunt made up his LBJ/Cord Meyer Big Event tale and was willing to put it on tape...his decades of highest level positions in so many of our most historically important covert events such as the Bay Of Pigs, Watergate and many others begs one to give any of his comments about these events 100X more serious study and debate interest than fringe characters like Brown, Baker, Posner, etc. IMO anyways.
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It’s a fun story, but like most of Madeleine’s fun stories, it never actually happened. Knew her back in the 90’s. She was quite a character. Quite an imagination, too. You knew Madeline Brown in the 1990's? Actually talked to her one-on-one? Well, you have me there. That does give you more credibility in evaluating "her" credibility in certain ways I would imagine. Ms. Brown certainly has been greatly marginalized ( even maligned ) since she first came forward publicly. Mainly as a teller of wildly exaggerated negative tales regards LBJ, for reasons such as a book deal and TV show appearance money, public attention and even some payback for LBJ and his family coldly denying her son Stephen in every way even through his tragic last days and dying at a young age. A son even they knew LBJ fathered. However, she must have been a decent, honest, loyal and even loving enough person for LBJ to keep her on his higher end paying mistress payroll for 20 years. If she was a gossiper and LBJ secret sharer at any time in all those years, LBJ would had her banished to a K-Mart, cheap apartment and junky car existence imo. Vince Palamara brings up a valid point in mentioning that even with "characters" like Madeline Brown and others who have published books with some proven ridiculous claims, there are often bits of information that come with those claims that turn out to be importantly revealing of other truths. Not everything Madeline Brown shared about LBJ was a lie or exaggerated or unimportant. Just the basic story alone of him keeping her as a long time mistress ( and fathering a child with her ) and the corrupted business practices of using front men and money laundering to pay her a monthly stipend and keep it all hidden tells us important truths about LBJ...that in the least, prove he was a man of shady dealings in his personal, business and political life. Nothing Madeline Brown ever said made LBJ's true nature any worse than what others have said and proven both before and after her. I am always disturbingly curious as to why any serious JFK researcher would downplay LBJ's known corrupt history which has been proven by so many. Why? Why the defending and even build up of him and his legacy to some type of hero leader status whose other corrupt doings aren't worth mentioning or even true? Does E. Howard Hunt's LBJ/Cord Meyer JFK assassination involvement end of life confession story also fall into the totally discredited even loony category of Madeline Brown's? Was Hunt's proposition of LBJ's ambitions to be President as maniacal and Cord Meyer's deep vengeful hatred of JFK for stealing his wife Mary's intimate affections just the exaggerated ramblings of a dementia adled old spy with who-knows-what personal interest intentions such as giving his son sensationalized and fake insider info JFK assassination tales to help him get a book advance deal as a parting gift of financial help from his old man who had nothing else to give him after he died? Madeline's basic story of a late night big name gathering at one of the Murchinson homes the night before 11,22,1963 was corroborated by at least one other person...long time Virginia Murchison domestic worker employee May Newman. Who it appears was a salt of the earth honest person with no axe to grind or monetary gain motivation.
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New Dallas Morning News Interview with Ruth Paine
Joe Bauer replied to Max Good's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
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The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Joe Bauer replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
Aldrich, just another emotionally destroyed boy/man. -
The inevitable end result of our last 56 years
Joe Bauer replied to Joseph McBride's topic in Political Discussions
OMG...Now THERE's a real Trump following winner. -
New Dallas Morning News Interview with Ruth Paine
Joe Bauer replied to Max Good's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Jeannie De Mohrenschildt willingly described her being appalled at Marina discussing her private sex life with Lee openly with her. Volunteering how Lee was just not interested in sex enough for her needs. He'd much rather read his books than satisfy Marina in her heat. If Lee had overheard his wife saying this to anyone outside of their private lives one can imagine how enraged he would be. Marina also said to Jeannie De M... "Look at this idiot" ( Lee ) ... he buys a rifle when we need food. Or something like this. IMO, Marina not only fell out of love with Lee soon after their arrival to the states ( if she ever was) but she also lost any normal respect for him as a husband, lover and man. It isn't unreasonable to believe that after Lee tried to whack Walker and suggested Marina help him hijack a plane to Cuba, Marina already was mentally planning some type of escape out of her marriage to him...and jumped at the opportunity to move back to Irving with Ruth Paine. It's sad to say this, but I think in some ways Marina was relieved that Lee and his scary risky and even crazy thoughts and behaviors were no longer in her life.