George Sawtelle

I believe if we can determine when the plot started to unfold we can determine who is responsible for the plot.

Michael C Half-truths, plausible deniability are what we deal with in seeking the truth. With regard to the Zapruder film, there is some truth eventhough the film has been altered. If we dig deep enough we can find some truth as Hartmann and Scott did with their jiggle analysis.

Michael C There is evidence/fact that points to a throat shot on Kennedy. 1. Acoustics analysis by BBN shows a shot immediately before the limo reaches the sign. 2.Jiggle analysis by Alvarez, Hartmann and Scott discovered a shot at approximately frame 192, before the limo reached the sign. 3. Medical personnel at Parkland say they saw a small hole in JFK´s throat which they called an entrance wound before the trachotomy. 4. Willis says he snapped a photo of JFK in response to a shot at frame 202. 5. Jfk´s reaction between frames 190-207 indicates he was hit.

Michael W The film was altered primarily to hide the number of shots. The Warren Commission accounted for three shots ... the SBT, missed shot that ricochetted and injured Tague and the head shot ... given the alterations. In reality, there were more than three shots.

From ¨Hear No Evil¨: LIFE provided a copy of the film and a set of slides which appear in v. 18 of the Warren Commission Hearings on pages 1-80. For unexplained reasons, this set begins with frame 173 and ends with frame 334. LIFE did not provide the frames before 173 and the commission did not print frames 335-343 which they did receive. Frames 208-212 were not provided by LIFE. These were allegedly destroyed by accident by a LIFE technician. pg 218 A panel working for the Warren Commission studied the film and concluded that JFK ... ¨raised his arms with his elbow held artificially high and shook his head ¨... between frames 194-207. pg 200 Hear No Evil Using jiggle analysis, Alvarez says there was a shot at frame 182, Hartmann said frame 191 and Scott said frame 193. Hear No Evil pg 208. I believe JFK was shot in the throat , the second shot, probably at frame 191 and began to move his hands to his throat by frame 207. I believe frames 208-212 were eliminated by the CIA since they show JFK with his hands to his throat before the freeway sign. The CIA spliced frame 207 to the backside of the freeway sign. They spliced the frame, showing JFK cluching his throat, to the front side of the freeway sign. They then splced this frame to the frame showing Connally looking left. By eliminating 5 frames and splicing several frames they were able to sell the SBT.

Thank you David for your excellent analysis. You seem to have a good grip on the survey data. Is it possible to determine the elevation and station of frame Z212? If it is possible then we would have a point on the Zap film that can be related to an exact spot on the Zap film to a ground location. Apparently Z212 is the last frame before the limo goes behind the sign from Zapruder´s perspective.

I´ve been busy with other matters and haven´t had a chance to post. I will get to the root of the problem with Fig 7. Fig 7, or drawing E1258-1, is a revision and a retrace of drawing E1259-1. According to the date given, the revision and retrace was done on 4-14-60 initialed by RMM. But there is no revision of drawing E1258-1 on Fig 7. The revisions were done at other times, i.e., SPEC WAS 16, 9-10-whatever, .1739 WAS .1742, 9-10-blocked out, and .015 WAS .040, 12-30-70. So what was the change that caused E1259-1 to be revised and retraced to drawing E1258-1 in 4-14-60? There is only one explanation. The changes that we see on the drawing were done on 4-14-60. Someone printed the dates and initials near the changes to make it appear that the changes were done on the dates printed. But they forgot to include a change for 4-14-60. To repeat - ... the change to the dash between R and P was done on 4-14-60, not 12-12-70. I do not believe Eaglesham added the initials and dates to the drawing. The fake changes were done by others. Eaglesham, like most of us, believed what was given on Fig 7.

Ray - Well that half number looks a lot like another number on the drawing it must be that number. Sorry that is not how it´s done. Lets go a little further. See Alternative Uses. Information on a drawing is never lined out. If information needs to be erased, a sepia is made and the information is erased. The change is noted on the sepia and the sepia becomes part of the original. Changes to numbers on a drawing are not underlined. A change of a number is given a number that is encircled. The encircled number is placed in the record of alterations and the change is explained. Anyone can underline a number on a drawing. What bugs me about this affair is that Eaglesham says the drawing in question was taken from a trash can. Since the drawing was superseded it must have been stored in an archive. It was retrieved from the archive, copied and then thrown in the trash can where is was picked up by a Remington employee and then given to someone not employed by Remington. This person then either mailed it to Eaglesham or paid a courier to take it to him. There could have been any number of people who had access to this drawing. Remington will never vouch for the drawing because it was obtained illegally. Therefore it´s not authentic and no one will claim responsibility for it. It´s as if it appeared from thin air. So the chain of custody is out the window, and therefore it´s not good evidence.

Gary - you say it´s a 3. I say it´s a zero. That number is ¨cut¨ in half. The top half of the number is not visible. To make it a 3 one would have to use his/her imagination. But my point is there should not be any debate. The number should be written clearly. If it´s a 3 a 3 should be written or typewritten where there is no doubt. I do not believe Remington would allow a drawing to be circulated with a date as such. It would be returned to the section which generated the drawing for correction.

James - Apparently you think it´s okay to submit evidence that is not complete. Let´s take it a step further. Consider the date in the upper left hand corner of the circle (the bunter). Eaglesham says it reads 10/5/73. If one looks closely at the last number of the date, it´s not a 3, it is a zero. It reads 10/5/70. Contract drawings should not be left to interpretation. Dates should be written clearly. My disagreement is that Eaglesham´s article does not rebut the James Files story.

I don´t have permission to transfer Allen Eaglesham´s article so for those interested in an argument contrary to his interpretation refer to his article at manuscript. What shouts out to me as bogus is the heavy black outline of the copy of Fig 7. The heavy black border hides part of a date and initials of the draftsman or engineer who entered the date in the upper right hand of the copy. The border is not made by the copier. Someone added the border after the copy was made. I emailed Allen and asked him about the truncation of the date and initials and he brushed it off by saying the the truncation was of no consequence because the truncation was not germane to the subject matter of the article. Everything on that drawing, which by the way is a contract drawing, is germane to everything else. This is a battle of dates and we have a serious problem if one of the dates and initials are missing. There are about five or six more problems with the drawing I will get into later. Suffice to say that Fig 7 does not help us get at the truth. If this was a court of law and and a prosecutor presented Fig 7 as evidence it would be thrown out.

Re: Jorge sawtelle <monstruo13@outlook.es> Yesterday, 4:15 PMYou This message was sent with low importance. Born - Los Angeles, 1946 Vietnam vet 1966-1967 BS Civil Engineering Cal State Los Angeles 1977 MSE Environmental Engineering University of Southern California 1979 PE CE 1981 Retired Corps of Engineers 1996 Hobby - Chess