Jason Ward

Yes, indeed, Paul, while most of us are trying to micro-analyze handwriting and money orders, the male-dominated CT world vastly under-appreciates relationships, emotions, the personal life. I've not gone so far off the rails that I agreed to get in bed with assassination conspirators, but in some sense I feel I might understand perhaps a little bit of the personal aspect Oswald is in here. Don't we all, if we think about it? Haven't we been there, or at least a little slice of there?... .... Money's tight, the wife is nagging all the time, housing is constantly changing, another baby is on the way, no car, jobs aren't working out, the Cold War is raging, other friends seem to have it easy, etc. As often in life, when things go wrong, they snowball. Oswald probably can't sleep and he's worried all the time. The world's crashing down on him. He starts acting erratically because he's a nervous wreck and can't get a handle on which of his problems he needs to work on at any given moment. ...then...he makes a drastic move. I still see this today. I have a cousin who just took off unannounced for Australia recently because his life here was too much. Oswald makes a sudden move to New Orleans and -I hypothesize- he does this because this somehow is going to solve all his problems, he thinks. ...and in a way, it does... So...you still have the 2nd half of Holmes to discuss, plus the rifle/money/order/spring timeline thing, if you want...we're all waiting anxiously! Jason

Here's a sample valid endorsement today. It's the same as in 1963 - it's exactly like the Klein's endorsement. The commercial depositor typically stamps* an endorsement paying to the order of their bank - just like Klein's. * commercial depositors are more often rendering paper checks into electronic form and soon the esoteric knowledge around bank endorsements will be lost....

Incorrect - there is a bank endorsement on the money order -- THE ONLY ONE that is required, an endorsement to the order of a bank. PAY TO THE ORDER OF THE FIRST NATIONAL BANK OF CHICAGO The endorsement matches the guidelines you posted. I work at a bank. First of all - checks and money orders are processed all the time with NO endorsement whatsoever. All the endorsement does is provide a legal chain of recourse should the check turn out bad. Endorsements SHOULD be present, but quite often they are not. Second of all - commercial depositors always endorse their checks [in effect] twice - once to themselves, and once again to their bank. JUST AS KLEIN's did. In any case - the endorsement on the money order is correct, it is all that it is needed - both then and now. Jason

How strong is the evidence for this? We know Ferrie and Oswald knew each other in the 1950s. Oswald probably looks up to him still. Here's a micro-hypothesis...no later than 7FEB63 Hosty is active on the Oswald case (again? - it seems he's been on Oswald since 62). I'm seeing much of the official information on Oswald is in fact sourced to Hosty. So, in early 63, a connection is made to Ferrie/Banister, or a re-connection is made between Ferrie & Oswald, perhaps facilitated by Hosty's renewed tracking efforts? Right after Hosty nominally starts doing his job again towards tracking the Oswalds....Oswald begins frantically creating all the patsy-evidence, and soon moves to New Orleans for no overt reason. Hosty finds the Oswalds quickly. Mysteriously, he declines to interview them as ordered, doesn't write a report, and they slip off to New Orleans where the FBI office there doesn't find them until June-ish. HOSTY! Jason

Ok. More Holmes. Then rifle. Then, maybe, review my newest speculative hypothesis in the post above? (That March-April 1963 is an action-packed and critical time when all Oswald patsy factors are set in motion)

Hi Paul, You can always take the easy way out and explain conflicting evidence by arguing for TWO Oswalds, implausible though it may be. When Lee does something you can't explain, just say it was Harvey - and vice versa. I'm not sure anything I point out about the magnificent paper trail connecting Oswald to the rifle disturbs your CT, even the dates. Here's why: Something Is Happening with Oswald during his Dallas Spring. The sparkling clear chain that begins with Hidell ordering a rifle and ends when Harry Holmes digs up the money order is not the only story arc we could look at. In particular, shouldn't we recognize that Feb-April 1963 is perhaps the essential turning point when multiple trains in Oswald's life are set in motion, trains that will ultimately collide with his own death a few months later? TO WIT: 00FEB63 - American Rifleman February edition has a mail order coupon from Klein's for a bolt action Carcano rifle 00FEB63 - Marina testifies that Oswald in this period tells her she must return to the USSR 01FEB63 - Robert Morris hosts a meeting at his house with Larrie Schmidt, et al. 07FEB63 - FBI Agent Hosty runs a credit check on Oswald 17FEB63 - Marina writes to the Soviet Embassy in Washington DC asking to return to the USSR 22FEB63 - Everett Glover has a party. Guests include: the de Mohrenschildts, both Oswalds, Ruth Paine, et al. 00MAR63 - Marina testifies that Oswald is gone to typing class from 6-9pm nightly; class is 6:15-7:15. 04MAR63 - Hosty is ordered to interview the Oswalds. He finds them but refuses to interview them for the sake of their marriage. 09MAR63 - Receipt issued re: US State Department's $435.71 travel repatriation loan to Oswald - paid in full 10MAR63 - Oswald takes a photo of General Walker's house 12MAR63 - A money order is purchased for $21.45 equal to the cost+shipping+handling of a Carcano rifle 13MAR63 - a mail order is processed for the Tippit pistol (as estimated by Mary Ferrell - see below) 17MAR63 - Marina fills out paperwork for Soviet embassy requesting return to the USSR; paperwork indicates Oswald will stay in the US 26MAR63 - Jaggers-Chiles-Stovall notifies Oswald he is terminated 26MAR63 - according to the right wing paper Herald of Freedom, the Carcano arrives in Dallas on this date 31MAR63 - Marina takes a picture of Oswald in their backyard wearing the Tippit pistol and holding the Carcano rifle, The Militant, and The Worker 00APR63 - Oswald begins making noises about returning to the USSR 05APR63 - George de Mohrenschildt's inscribed version of the backyard photo bears this date 06APR63 - Robert Surrey sees two men stalking General Walker's residence 10APR63 - General Edwin Walker is attacked with a gunshot through the window of his Dallas home 10APR63 - 11pm - Marina finds a note instructing her what to do if Oswald does not come home 10APR63 - Oswald admits to Marina he shot General Walker 14APR63 - Easter Sunday. George de Mohrenschildt jokes with Oswald about missing the shot at General Walker 15APR63 - Oswald hands out FPCC literature in downtown Dallas 16APR63 - Oswald writes FPCC headquarters asking for literature and gives his Dallas address 21APR63 - Oswald tells Mr/Mrs John Hall that he is soon moving to the USSR 21APR63 - A confidential informant tells the FBI that Oswald is handing out FPCC literature in Dallas 24APR63 - Oswald inexplicably flees Dallas for New Orleans ...the seeds from the above established actions germinate into assassination patsy and death for LHO.... Don't you think this is a critical period for Oswald???? Isn't March-April 1963 a critical period for building the CASE AGAINST Oswald? Although I was able to pinpoint a few dates myself, most of this timeline comes from Mary Ferrell's exquisite Oswald chrnologies, found heere: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40390#relPageId=199&tab=page 1. The money order Harry Holmes miraculously finds <48 hours after the assassination 2. A key piece of evidence linking Oswald to the rifle - made possible only because the secretary to Harry Holmes found a rifle ad in Field and Stream: 3. Mary Ferrell's discussion of the order for Oswald's pistol (aka the "Tippit pistol"): https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40390#relPageId=170&tab=page 4. FBI report of the order for Oswald's pistol (aka the "Tippit pistol")

Hi Paul, What I mean is that if Oswald wants a cheap gun, he goes to a pawn shop or buys one second hand from classified ads. No traceability. No awkward post office procedures. Instead, I hypothesize* Oswald was instructed to get a gun in a way that has to be the most traceable and awkward way possible for someone in 1963 Texas to get a gun. It's almost too pat. The evidence fits together perfectly. He's manufactured a paper trail AND conveniently obtained a rifle so unusual that finding one anywhere in Dallas could only be the one he ordered. No, the evidence wasn't manufactured in the sense that it's fraudulent, I say it's manufactured in the sense that Oswald deliberately made a paper trail that every petty criminal easily avoids. ... On Saturday morning, there can be no indication that the rifle was obtained through a mail order. Compounding this problem is that the story Holmes provides to explain how he determined the dollar amount of the MO to look for is far-fetched. This testimony from Holmes exposes the conspiracy. Conspiracy makes a lot more sense and is simpler than the tale Holmes gives us. Jason * obviously I'm not the first to suggest this

Dallas Law Enforcement testimony in the Warren Commission Part 23: USPS Postal Inspector Harry Holmes 22NOV63: Holmes watches Dealey Plaza and the motorcade from his 5th floor office at the Terminal Annex building. His immediate view from his window is the TSBD. Holmes watches the Dealey Plaza events unfold with 50x power binoculars Holmes thinks there were 20-30 seconds between shots Holmes sees a man trying to take away a gun from a woman on a park bench, he says. Later he realizes this was wrong. The shooting caused people from “every direction” to hunt around the railroad yard and cars parked there Holmes sees a motorcycle cop rushing into the TSBD Holmes wonders if the shots were meant just to "frighten people" Because of acoustical reverberation, Holmes cannot say where the shots originated Holmes “watched for hours…hoping” he would see someone running across the railroad tracks as he had a “birdseye view of the panorama of the whole area.” Holmes “saw nothig suspicious” and reminds us he is a “trained suspicioner.” The USPS boss in Washington tells Holmes to search the Terminal Annex building for a sniper’s nest, but Holmes implies this is a bad idea because nothing of “any importance” is there. After an hour, a clerk tells Holmes that Oswald rented a PO box in the Terminal Annex post office, 5 stories below the office where Holmes overviews the assassination The USPS employee who took the PO box application could not identify Oswald Belin gets Holmes to admit that the PO box application mentions the FPCC, the ACLU and an address of 3610 N Beckely Holmes matches a duplicate box key to a key found on Oswald in the presence of Capt Fritz The PO box receives Russian newspapers and The Daily Worker, Holmes says. Holmes asks the Warren Commission, “What is The Daily Worker, sir?” >>>23NOV64 at 11am – Holmes gives a confused and amazing story of finding the money order Oswald used to pay for his rifle, and of finding out the rifle came from Klein’s in Chicago, and that critical to all this detective work was when his secretary found an ad for Oswald’s rifle in Field and Stream<<< Holmes does not know when or how he discovered that Oswald had a PO box during his previous time in Dallas, 9OCT62 to 14MAY63, but insists this is part of his evidence connecting Oswald to a mail order rifle Holmes knew about the name HIdell from the New Orleans PO box application, in turn this name is found on the money order, confirming to Holmes that he had found a critical piece of evidence Two copies of The Militant were found in Oswald’s New Orleans PO box Holmes was with Capt Fritz “on numerous occasions” during the 2.5 day post assassination period 24NOV63: on the way to church, Holmes decides to forgo both religious practice and his wife. He abandons Missus Holmes and goes to see Fritz at the DPD because, Holmes imagines, Fritz is “as sleepy as I am.” Capt Fritz ceremoniously announces they are about to conduct a Final Interrogation With Oswald and cordially invites Holmes to join in. Attending Oswald’s final interrogation along with Holmes are Fritz, Sorrels, Kelley, - and “about three detectives” of nameless importance 17DEC63 Holmes prepares notes of his interrogation with Oswald on 24NOV63 Oswald is intelligent with a good memory and confirms the PO box information presented by Holmes, Holmes says Oswald says the X marks on a Dallas map Fritz asks about are merely the locations of job prospects given him by the Texas Employment Commission, including an X at Elm & Houston, the TSBD Oswald goes through a rather pedantic explanation of “being a Communist something,” Holmes says, concluding with the announcement from Oswald that he is a “true Karl Marxist.” Oswald says he doesn’t think much of the Bible. Oswald denies owning a rifle. Oswald argues that on his pay of $1.25 an hour he can “hardly feed” himself, much less afford a rifle Oswald denies any knowledge of him appearing in a picture with a rifle Holmes knew “all about” Oswald’s violent encounter with Carlos Bringuier, but this was not mentioned in the Sunday morning Oswald interview Oswald denies knowing any such person called Hidell and denies using it as an alias, Holmes says When asked, “Well, do you want an attorney,” Oswald says “no,” Holmes says. Chief Curry and other policemen are pestering Fritz to end the interview and transfer Oswald, Holmes says Wardrobe manager Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry comes in with clothing options for Oswald; Oswald selects a black sweater Chief Curry and Capt Fritz have a private conference that Holmes cannot hear Holmes offers Forrest Sorrels a ride back to Dealey Plaza, where Oswald will be taken to jail adjancent to the sheiff’s office, Sorrels declines At Belin’s urging, Holmes gives a lengthy narrative of Oswald and the FPCC; Oswald admits to being it’s secretary in New Orleans but denies wanting to start a Dallas “cell” At Belin’s urging, Holmes is asked if Oswald explained what he did after leaving the TSBD. Holmes instead talks about what Oswald did around lunchtime and answers by saying that two coworkers asked Oswald to lunch but Oswald went solo to an upstairs floor instead. At Belin’s urging, Holmes says that Oswald talks about encountering a man with credentials who looks for a phone immediately after the assassination For the 3rd or 4th time, WC Attorney Belin tries to get Holmes to say what Oswald said about getting home. Holmes says this topic was not discussed during interrogation. Oswald admits to hitting a policeman at the Texas Theatre, Holmes says. Holmes says that Oswald would not be a good subject for a polygraph test because he had “disciplined his mind and reflexes” Holmes testifies that Oswald liked to use USPS forwarding orders for his mail from Russia instead of getting the Russians to change his address Oswald admits he went to the “Mexican Embassy” to try to get permission to go to Russia via Cuba, Holmes testifies. Oswald admits to going to Mexico City, Holmes says. Holmes gives an incoherent stumbling mention of Russian, American, Mexican, and Cuban consulates and embassies. According to Holmes, Oswald does not mention carrying curtain rods in Frazier’s car; he only mentions taking his lunch. Holmes yet again recounts his bumbling, stuttering understanding of Oswald’s movements immediately after shots were fired. Holmes is unnerved as he stumbles through where and when a Coke soft drink fits in to the story, and this is never made clear - but he seems intent to make it known that at some point .......“there was a Coke involved.” 22NOV63 P.M. Holmes is brought a JFK “Wanted or Treason” circular found by a USPS letter carrier in collection mailbox CONCERNS: 1. The story Holmes gives about finding the money order used to order Oswald’s rifle is an incoherent mess that makes no sense. IMO, Holmes is in a jam because he has to explain how he finds the original money order in less than two days….and he never adequately explains how he knew it was a mail order rifle. The story about sending his secretary to buy a copy of Field & Stream on Saturday 23NOV63 which in turn surprise! reveals the exact store, price, and shipping details of Oswald’s rifle is completely absurd. This testimony around finding the provenance of the rifle and money order is shrieking of conspiracy and pre-manufactured evidence on the part of Holmes. IMO he never planned on having to explain all this, which is reflected in a sloppy and unlikely story relying on a secretary picking up a copy of a magazine the day after the assassination. 2. Holmes says he is watching with binoculars the railroad tracks area and “hoping” to see someone acting suspiciously. Instead, he sees a motorcycle cop entering the TSBD. Is this believable? Everyone is running up the Grassy Knoll and Holmes admits to interesting activity there….so why and for what purpose is Holmes watching the front door of the TSBD so closely? 3. Is it a strange coincidence that Holmes admits his office has a birdseye, panoramic view of Dealey Plaza with the TSBD front and center - which almost sounds like the kind of place needed to manage a successful ambush of a passing target? 4. What kind of bionic postal clerk is able to connect a rented PO box with Tippit’s assassin at 1:30 and immediately bring this news to Holmes? It almost seems like this postal clerk could solve the whole assassination right away single-handedly – unless, just maybe, Holmes has to retroactively invent a reason explaining how he knows Oswald has a PO Box in the very building where Holmes works? 5. Holmes works in the very building where Oswald has a PO box, which is <200 yards from the JFK kill zone, which is also well situated to watch the TSBD closely “for hours,” which is also a block away from Sheriff Decker’s office. Dealey Plaza is quite a place – why so little attention applied to its connections and coincidences compared to the Camp St. address in New Orleans? 6. In the annals of American drama and witness testimony, was there ever a more blatant attempt to convey shock and ignorance than the moment when Holmes demands of the Warren Commission: "What is The Daily Worker, sir?” 7. When and how does Holmes get the New Orleans PO box rental form not later than a day after the assassination that he uses to confront Oswald with in The Final Interrogation? 8. If Holmes cannot testify as to where the shots were fired because of echoes in Dealey Plaza, why is Holmes so quick to brush off his boss in Washington who suggests the Terminal Annex might be a sniper location? 9. Is there other evidence that Oswald subscribes to Russian newspapers besides the testimony of Holmes? 10. What did Holmes hear, say, or do during the “numerous times” he met with Fritz over 2.5 days? ...and why does a postal inspector transform into a DPD homicide detective who interrogates a murder suspect? Is Holmes a homicide expert? 11. How does Holmes get the information about Oswald’s Canal St scrap with Carlos Bringuier so quickly? 12. I suspect Holmes is the first, last, and only US postal inspector to talk with a presidential assassin, yet we are to believe Holmes makes no formal record of this until almost 4 weeks after the assassination? 13. Why isn’t Holmes playing ball with WC attorney Belin’s repeated attempts to establish -yet again- for the record how Oswald said he got home after the shooting? Forgot his lines? 14. How is it possible that Holmes is so sure Oswald admits to going to Mexico City and admits to the tour through communist diplomatic posts in search of a travel visa – yet Fritz and Hosty and Sorrels are so sure Oswald denies this? 15. Did Holmes not have enough time to practice explaining the intricate branches of communism - which Oswald is meant to lecture everyone about during interrogation? Why does Holmes so badly muddle the picture of Oswald as fully-immersed-communist that others manage to convey so well? 16. So much of what Holmes says is chaotic and nonsensical that I'm reluctant to read too much into his specific words, even so, is his random remark that he though the shots were perhaps just meant to "frighten people" in any way similar to Buddy Walthers' remarks that he thought the shots might just be blanks? Were some of the lesser players that day expecting only a scary attempted assassination? 17. Are postal inspectors trained experts at identifying who is likely to deceive a lie detector test? What is the specific basis for Holmes to claim that Oswald is not a good candidate for the polygraph and where exactly does Holmes learn this skill of visually assessing a suspect? Could Holmes see this as part of Oswald's training at the KGB assassin's college in Minsk that Fritz is also clever to recognize? 18. IMO, one of the few truly funny contributions from law enforcement is when Holmes goes way off the rails about a Coca-Cola, near the end of his testimony. It’s a train wreck! Defeated, Holmes can only finalize by saying that somewhere, somehow, at some time, there is meant to be a Coke in the TSBD that is involved with Oswald. A bad actor badly trying to ad lib his forgotten lines? Holmes is the strongest witness in proving a law enforcement conspiracy in the JFK assassination, in my view. His explanations are too fantastic to believe. My subjective impression is that this is simply not a smart guy. Holmes doesn't have the intellect to keep his story straight or at least claim he can't remember - so he makes up stuff, badly. However, the post office is an essential pillar in the Lone Nut story, so I guess Holmes has to testify. If it were not for the lucky way a secretary purchased Field and Stream magazine on the morning of 23NOV63, all the subsequent narrative and evidence (like the rifle purchase and money order) falls apart. I don’t know how anyone can reasonably suggest the all-knowing all-powerful CIA is managing this comedy of errors exposed by Holmes in WC testimony. The conspiracy is right before our eyes and has been for 50 years. 1. Holmes testifies he is able to search for a money order in the name "Hidell" because it is written on this New Orleans post office box application. How does Holmes a. know to look for a New Orleans PO box and b. get this so fast - on 23NOV63? 2. TOP- This is a Dallas PO box application for Oswald's late 1962-early 1963 period. There is no evidence A Hidell was registered with this PO box, which is necessary for Oswald to receive the Carcano rifle. BOTTOM: New Orleans change of address card forwarding mail to Ruth Paine's house, which Holmes admits is not in Oswald's handwriting... 3. Holmes says his secretary discovers an ad for Oswald's rifle in Field and Stream on 23NOV63 - which is an amazingly lucky break because without finding this, after the assassination but before 24NOV63, Holmes has no way to explain how he knew Oswald's rifle was from the mail order retailer Klein's, nor how he knew the exact amount of the money order which he should be looking for - which, inexplicably, he is able to calculate by correctly choosing Oswald's rifle in this ad, and correctly estimating the shipping and purchase price along with any extra's Oswald may have ordered. Without randomly discovering this ad on 23NOV63, the whole rifle and money order case centered on the post office disintegrates: 4. Oswald's final PO box in Dallas, discovered by an unnamed postal clerk at 1:30 on 22NOV63, just in time to alert Holmes 5 stories above , PS - Holmes does a shorter, secondary follow up deposition for WC attorney Liebeler. There is a little bit of interesting testimony here around post office procedures which any USPS employee should be able to address. It does not relate much to the events of 22NOV63 - 24NOV63.

I hypothesize that the 30OCT63 CIA cable from Mexico City is sourced from [perhaps directly reading] the 28APR60 FBI interview with Marguerite Oswald by agent Fain, submitted in a 3JUL61 FBI report. Paragraph 2 of the 1963 CIA cable is virtually identical to a paragraph found in the 1961 Fain report. In other words, doesn't this suggest the FBI is the source of the Oswald background information provided in the CIA cable? 1. 30OCT63 CIA Cable Mexico City to Langley - note 4 elements: a. 5"10 b. 165 pounds c. light brown wavy hair d. FEB61 Oswald quote from letter to US embassy in Moscow, " ...we could come to some agreement concerning the dropping of any legal proceedings against me..." 2. 3JUL61 FBI report from interview with Marguerite Oswald conducted on 28APR60 - note 4 elements: a. 5"10 b. 165 pounds c. light brown wavy hair d. FEB61 Oswald quote from letter to US embassy in Moscow, " ...we could come to some agreement concerning the dropping of any legal proceedings against me..." {...several pages later...} note marginalia vertical line highlight of this paragraph ... is it in the original document? this paragraph is almost copied verbatim into the CIA 30OCT63 Mexico City cable

1. If I ever get to ask Sorrels one question, it is this: Why did you race back to the TSBD if you thought the shots came from the Grassy Knoll? 2. If I ever get Sorrels, Hosty, and Fritz in a room together, I would ask them: Who brought up the Mexico City trip and where did you get the information - because Hosty says he never said a word? 3. If I ever get to make a hidden camera interview of Sorrels and Decker, I will ask them: With such robust plans for presidential security, why and when does Sheriff Decker order his men to have no participation in the president's security, contrary to agreed plans?

Hi Steve, The provenance of the 5'10", 165# Oswald begins with FBI agent John Fain's report, as far as I can tell...right? Fain says this is how Marguerite Oswald describes her son. IMO it's important to pinpoint the first instance of this description because it can function as a Blue Dye Operation for us (which as an information pathology technique is made palatable and easy to understand in the movie Allied.) However, IMO not every node in this chain of information is necessarily an assassination conspirator. Even so, we can benefit from understanding how this particular version of Oswald's height and weight became a broadcast on 22NOV63 as -nominally- one of the ways the police were able to capture Oswald. Jason

Hi Mervyn, General Walker employed McCarthyism his whole life, which means every setback and every enemy, great and small, was a CIA-communist-liberal-Castro plot. Walker saw the CIA as a communist front - or at minimum he saw the CIA, communism, the UN, Jewish people, the civil rights movement, and the mainstream media as fellow travelers in service of a world government conspiracy. The alt-right today is still peddling much the same message through Alex Jones and others. When Walker pinpointed Bernald it was merely a standard reaction to threats and criticism. Walker was paranoid. He thought great forces were aligned against him - like the CIA and the Kennedys. Walker accusing someone of CIA involvement is precisely like Joe McCarthy accusing someone of being a communist, it was a paranoid psychological defense mechanism. Walker pinpointing Bernald is no different than Trump pinpointing Comey or the Democrats or the mainstream media in a Twitter rant - there is no substance there except thin skinned hyper-defensiveness and the need to insult. Don't read too much into it. Jason

General Westmoreland was there as well, eh?

Is Mr Ross Carlton perhaps a missing link? 1. 23NOV63 FBI teletype from El Paso to Dallas FBI (I find no evidence this lead was ever investigated) 2. According To Bill Weston's Review of Dallas Morning News archives: "In 1954, Ross Carlton helped form the Texas Citizens Council to oppose integration, shortly after the Supreme Court ruled that schools must desegregate. As chairman of the executive committee, he publicly denounced the NAACP, saying it was filled with numerous officials who were “either Communists or members of Communist front organizations” and that he could cite which ones (DMN 12-4-1955). In 1956 he ran for the office of state attorney general on the pro-segregationist ticket. Serving as his campaign manager was his mother, Mary Carlton (DMN 7-7-1956). As it turned out, Ross lost the election, coming in a poor third." http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2016/07/on-death-of-jfk-spiders-web-at-trade.html 3. Ross Carlton as mentioned in Edward H Miller's Nut Country: Right Wing Dallas and the Birth of the Southern Strategy, p. 71. https://books.google.com/books?id=09poCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA215&lpg=PA215&dq=general+edwin+walker+ross+carlton&source=bl&ots=2jGjjVawW-&sig=BfXTyBqKcNEbeQKo88nIXDfrs-k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSnYekkMraAhUH5IMKHTtKAxQQ6AEIJzAA#v=onepage&q=general edwin walker ross carlton&f=false 4. Ross Carlton according to Mary Ferrell

Dallas Law Enforcement testimony in the Warren Commission Part 22: Secret Service Special Agent In Charge Forrest Sorrels · Age 63, born in 1901, began with Secret Service in 1923 in El Paso, 25 years as agent in charge · WC attorney Hubert states the agenda will focus on Oswald after he was in custody · 22NOV63 Sorrels arrives at Capt Fritz’s office inside the DPD where Oswald is already detained · Oswald is “belligerent ad arrogant” to Sorrels upon receiving permission from Fritz to interrogate · 10 minutes is the length of the initial Oswald-Sorrels conversation · DPD conditions are chaotic and “deplorable” with press and broadcast equipment everywhere · A witness who could identify the gunman and “had seen the person fire the third shot” was known to Sorrels from earlier on 22NOV63 and Sorrels makes efforts to get that person to a DPD lineup in order to identify Oswald · Jack Ruby is completely unknown to Sorrels before Oswald’s murder; as proof of this Sorrels offers that he wrote the last name as “Rubin” in reports to Washington · 24NOV63 11am – Fritz interviews Oswald looking for a statement “relating to any phase of the assassination of the President. Particularly, I was interested in trying to obtain an admission from him that he had used the name of A. Hidell as an alias.” · Sorrels says by Sunday 24NOV63 he had information that Oswald had purchased a rifle under the name A. Hidell · Sorrels says a change of address card from New Orleans shows the A. Hidell name · Sorrels confronts LHO with the change of address card bearing the name Hidell · Much testimony is elicited concerning the plans around Oswald’s transfer to the county jail · Sorrels hears Oswald’s is shot from a police officer and goes to the basement to find Oswald with a stomach wound, receiving artificial respiration · Sorrels calls Secret Services headquarters in Washington to announce Oswald’s shooting · Sorrels interrogates Ruby for 5-7 minutes · Sorrels says Ruby announces his name was formerly Rubenstein · Sorrels tells Ruby that “a Jewish merchant” nicknamed Honest Joe was currently nearby · Ruby decides to speak openly with Sorrels because Sorrels plays up his friendship with “a number of Jewish merchants” · Ruby explains that he shot Oswald to spare Jackie Kennedy from testifying at trial, Sorrels says · “I guess I just had to show the world that a Jew has guts,” Ruby says, according to Sorrels · Ruby self-identifies as a lone nut assassin and denies conspiracy · Ruby offers that he was formerly a labor organizer, Sorrels says · Ruby says his family is from Russia, Sorrels says · Ruby announces that he is Jewish - as if Sorrels hadn’t already made that abundantly clear for the WC and history · Ruby says his lawyer is Stanley Kaufman · Sorrels testifies that Fritz interrogates Ruby, makes notes, and wrote them up immediately – but why didn’t Capt Fritz do this while interrogating Oswald? · Sorrels has ornately detailed notes from interviewing Ruby – but why no notes for Oswald’s interview? · Several pages of Testimony is given in some detail around Ruby’s time in jail and his trial preparation CONCERNS Is this a conspiracy of old men? All the law enforcement leaders are at or beyond retirement age - Sorrels, Fritz, Decker - a generation older than Kennedy. There is a tier of younger men around age 30 who are doing most of the active police work in the field on 22NOV63. A close reading indicates in the afternoon of 22NOV63 Sorrels has already identified a Dealey Plaza witness who can identify Oswald even before Oswald is arrested....is Sorrels already planning to convict Oswald before Oswald's name is known to police? Is Forrest Sorrels with his 20+ year position in Dallas the only member of law enforcement who does not at least know Jack Ruby by name and reputation? Is his unsolicited statement that he didn’t even know how to spell Ruby’s last name a little too much effort to prove the Carousel Club owner was previously unknown to Sorrels? A change-of-address card from New Orleans allows Sorrels to pursue the Alex Hidell angle; previously this same card was critical to Agent Hosty’s locating the Oswalds in Irving. Is a change-of-address card really such a critical role in finding and accusing Oswald? And how does Sorrels get this card so quickly after the assassination (2 days)? Is ascertaining Oswald's reaction to the Hidell alias really the top priority in the aftermath of the assassination, and if so, why? AFAIK investigating murders is nowhere in the Secret Service investigative portfolio - why is Sorrels interrogating Oswald anyway? How is it that the WC fails to ask Sorrels in any way whatsoever about preparation for the presidential visit? Why do some witnesses like Sorrels seem to insist on pointing out Ruby’s former name – Rubenstein, even though this is irrelevant to the 3 murders that weekend? How is it that Sorrels testifies he has no knowledge of Ruby before 24NOV63, but upon interrogating Ruby is able to mention “a number of Jewish merchants here that you know?” How does Sorrels already know who Ruby knows if Sorrels doesn’t know Ruby? Ruby’s Jewish ethnicity/religion is overwhelming in Sorrels’ testimony – but what does being Jewish have to do with anything? Is Sorrels trying to paint an anti-Semitic picture here of a non-Texas-native, a Jewish labor organizer and topless bar owner - with Russian heritage? Is there a deliberate effort to avoid having Forrest Sorrels testify as to what was said in Oswald’s interrogation(s)? Just as Sorrels is about to explain Oswald’s reaction to seeing the change-of-address card, WC attorneys interrupt and change the subject. 1. This is captioned as a change of address card in the Warren Commission exhibits - but to me this is a PO Box rental form: 2. This 27NOV63 FBI inventory of USPS documents related to Oswald fails to mention Hidell.... 3. Forrest Sorrels was born in 1901 in rural Texas. Fritz and Decker are even older....likely Kennedy fans???

Dallas Law Enforcement testimony in the Warren Commission Part 21: FBI Agent James Bookhout · 22NOV63 off duty, but at the bank conducting personal business when motorcade passes by · Hears of shots fired over AM radio and proceeds to FBI office · Before reaching FBI office, fellow agents on the street tell him to go to DPD homicide bureau · Upon arrival at DPD the FBI Dallas office instructs him to “maintain liaison” contact · The “next pertinent” event is the report of a police officer shot in Oak Cliff · Capt Fritz was not present at this time · When Fritz arrives, he says that the suspect arrested at the Texas Theatre is the suspect in the Kennedy attack · Bookhout observes Oswald’s arrival at the DPD and his immediate interview by Capt Fritz and two homicide officers · 3:15 Hosty & Brookhout ask Capt Fritz to “sit in” on Oswald’s interview · 5-10 minutes elapse in Fritz’s interview of Oswald before Hosty & Bookhout join, Bookhout says · “a little under an hour” is the length of Oswald’s first interview · Oswald was “very arrogant and argumentative,” Bookhout says · Bookhout says Oswald’s behavior equally applied to “everyone present” and was not different as between the DPD and FBI interrogators · Bookhout says Fritz conducted the interrogation but seems to indicate that Hosty and Bookhot would ask occasional questions when invited by Fritz or when Fritz would step away · Oswald admits to carrying the fake Selective Service card in the name of Alex Hidell, Bookhout says · Oswald complains about Hosty and his “unfair tactics” in the FBI’s approach to Marina Oswald · Oswald says the FBI in Ft Worth used “unfair tactics” when they interviewed him upon return from the Soviet Union · Oswald complains that he was not allowed to wear a jacket similar to all the other participants in his identity lineups · Hosty asks Oswald if he was ever in Mexico, Bookhout says · Oswald admits only to visiting Tijuana and not Mexico City · Bookhout does not remember who first asked Oswald about the FPCC · Oswald says his residence is 1026 N Beckley · Oswald’s landlady at 1026 N Beckely mistakenly recorded his name as O H Lee, Oswald says · Oswald denies shooting both JFK and Tippit · Oswald admits carrying a pistol in the Texas Theatre which he had purchased in Ft Worth · Oswald argues his only crime is the concealed weapon and resisting arrest · Emphatic denials of shooting anyone is how Bookhout characterizes Oswald’s answers · Upon persuasion from WC attorney Stern, Bookhout agrees that Oswald “frantically” claims his innocence of shooting Kennedy and Tippit · Oswald did not pound on the desk · 4:05 Oswald’s first interview ends · Bookhout destroyed his original interview notes in keeping with FBI procedure as they are rendered into a formal typed report · Oswald’s lineup was routine and fair, Bookhout says · 23NOV63 AM Bookhout participates in another interview with Oswald conducted by Capt Fritz · Secret Service agents T J Kelley and David B Grant are present in this Saturday morning interrogation, along with US Marshal Robert I Nash, and DPD Detectives Billy L Senkel and Fay M Turner. · Bookhout asks Oswald about the Alek Hidell Selective Service card which Oswald admits having but declines to admit or deny whether he signed it. Oswald declines to explain why he carries this card or reveal any use he made of the Hidell name. · NYC attorney Abt is Oswald’s choice of a lawyer requested during this Saturday morning interrogation · Fritz promises Oswald the use of a phone to call attorney John Abt, well known attorney for the Communist Party of the United States · At a subsequent interrogation, Bookhout says Oswald tried to call attorney Abt but was unable to reach him as he was not in his office · Oswald announces no Dallas attorney should represent him, unless provided by the ACLU · A Dallas Bar Association lawyer visits Oswald but Oswald does not want “anybody from Dallas to represent him.” · 1 hour is length of Saturday morning interrogation, from 1035 to 1135 approximately · Oswald announces he has a long-standing policy to refuse lie detector tests, Bookhout says · Oswald says he did not known Governor Connally had been shot · Oswald says he never owned a rifle and never ordered one through the mail · Bookhout attends another interview of Oswald on 23NOV63, from about 630-730pm · Bookhout asks no questions at this 23NOV 630pm interview · Oswald says the backyard photos showing him with a pistol and a rifle are fakes in that his head was superimposed on the body of someone else · Oswald claims his knowledge of photography allows him to recognize altered photographs · Initially Oswald refused to talk about the backyard photographs unless he could confer with a lawyer, however, Oswald later talks about them anyway by saying they are fakes · Oswald never says “we have been over that ground before,” or anything similar, Bookhout says · Over the course of 3+ interviews, Bookhout says Oswald initially claimed he took a bus home from the TSBD but eventually modified this to say he took a bus and then a cab · Oswald was never offered a special inducement to tell the truth, according to Bookhout · 24NOV1963 AM – Oswald is interrogated by Capt Fritz and “numerous other officers,” but Bookhout was not a participant · Bookhout was in the DPD homicide & robbery office when he hears Oswald was shot by Jack Ruby · Bookhout last sees Oswald carried away on a stretcher to an ambulance · Bookhout acknowledges 2 Oswald interviews on Saturday at 10:35am and 6:30pm and says he is unaware of an interview occurring at 1230pm CONCERNS Is Bookhout’s explanation of how he came to Capt Fritz’s office after the assassination entirely trustworthy – in that he was walking down the street and other unnamed FBI men told him that’s where he should go? Isn’t there a lot of missing time in Bookhout’s testimony in particular what he was doing at DPD when he was not actually face-to-face interviewing Oswald Friday afternoon and all day Saturday? Is Oswald really so picky about lawyers that he refuses any help, even on a temporary basis from the local bar association? Is Oswald’s insistence on a commie lawyer (Abt) real or possibly part of a DPD effort to portray Oswald as a communist fully integrated with other US communists? If one is broke and in jail for shooting a cop and president, isn’t it more rational to accept any legal advice readily available?....OR is Oswald so confident of his position that he continues to play up his commie-nut persona by absurdly demanding a commie-lawyer? Does Bookhout’s testimony of Frtiz + 2 homicide officers match Hosty’s roster of those in attendance at the first interview? Why does Bookhout characterize Oswald’s responses as the same in tone for all interrogators, but Hosty says Oswald is abusive and profane towards FBI men present? Doesn’t Bookhout remember he and/or Hosty asking questions of Oswald while Hosty claims they sat in the back in silence? I believe this is the first we’ve heard that Oswald was not allowed to wear the same type jacket as everyone else in the lineups – was this meant to be suppressed? Doesn’t Hosty says Frtiz asks about Mexico while Bookhout says it is Hosty who asks about Mexico? Why does Bookhout portray Oswald as more calm and well behaved versus Hosty and Fritz who claim there is desk pounding and insults? The insertion of the story around Oswald taking a bus and taxi home seems unnatural in the flow of the narrative provided by Bookhout. Is this a point Bookhout made an effort to get on the record? I see something of a pattern in testimony here, perhaps there are essential Key Elements which all of Oswald's interrogators agree to mention and get on the record as coming from Oswald...: Oswald admits the Beckley address; Oswald admits possession of pistol; Oswald denies owning a rifle; Oswald admits resisting arrest; Oswald admits TSBD employment; Oswald denies a lawyer; Oswald denies Mexico City but admits Tijuana; Oswald claims the backyard photos are fakes.

You may be right, Paul. But can we give Hosty something of a fair trial, even if it's just an exercise? IMO much of the belief that the CIA is involved in the assassination is fueled by the pervasive instinct of our government and almost all who knew Oswald to deny or minimize the fact that they knew Oswald. Hosty does it in his testimony - the last thing he wants is any public recognition that he failed to recognize and stop a presidential assassin. The CIA and FBI both were scared to acknowledge an even limited awareness of Oswald they had pre-Dallas that we know about. So to some extent, everyone lies about what they know about Oswald pre-22NOV63. But does clouding a previous awareness, contact or even relationship with Oswald mean they had Kennedy killed? I don't think so. It means they are weak scared politicians who fear they'll be seen as incompetent or seen as coddling the enemy. It's the equivalent of a politician today being scared someone's going to dig up an old picture of them chasing girls with Bill Cosby, or having sex with a porno star, or shaking hands with bin Laden. Now...lets look at Hosty's position. He's getting skewered over his handling of the Oswald file pre-22NOV63. He has to downplay the Oswald file to a matter of insignificance so that no one thinks he's incompetent or worse. Well - what if in 1963 he is doing exactly what he says he's doing and instead of concentrating on insignificant immature impoverished Lee Oswald, he's concentrating on mature, well financed and well trained General Walker & Friends? Perhaps Hosty hears some talk of violence from Surrey or other contacts on the Right in 63. He knows they're anti-Kennedy. He compares notes as late as the morning of 22NOV63 with ATF man Frank Ellsworth about Dallas Minuteman John T Masen, so Hosty knows they've got guns and hope to use them. Then, if your CT is correct, a crisis happens for Hosty - JFK is killed by the very group he has studied closely for years.. Does he come right out on 22NOV63 and say, "hey, me and Ellsworth were watching these Minutemen for awhile and they're our #1 suspect." ??? or does he go along with the edict from Hoover that Oswald is a Lone Nut? Hosty could be in a real bind. We've shown that Hosty lied about the Radical Right in Dallas subsequent to the assassination. We have a memo in SEP63 above Hosty's signature pointing out that the Minutemen are active in Dallas and posting anti- Khrushchev posters that look exactly like the JFK Wanted for Treason handbills. Then Hosty has the Minutemen disappear from Dallas in his 1964 reports. But he admits in his book the Radical Right are his big focus. I guess my point is that there are other reasons besides Hosty's full participation in the conspiracy as to why he might have to downplay the Radical Right in Dallas...just as the CIA went to great lengths to deny any knowledge of Oswald and also went into damage control mode at the time of Clay Shaw's trial. Couldn't Hosty be innocent of conspiracy and instead be guilty of failing to report the true danger of Walker and the Radical Right? It seems to me Hosty has to cover his xxx in much the same way whether he was actively helping or merely negligently appreciating the true threat. Jason PS - now that I've spent some time advocating a scenario of Hosty's innocence, let me reverse sides and throw this at you. Could Hosty be the one who brings Oswald to the attention of the Radical Right in 62 or 63? Re-read his testimony around the time he is meant to make contact with the Oswalds....it's the time of the attack on Walker and Oswald's move to New Orleans. Hosty kind of looks like a blithering fool in his testimony for not being able to find Oswald in the spring. Maybe he doesn't find Oswald -who is not a master at clandestine living- because Hosty's on board with the plan to get Oswald to New Orleans? Is Oswald's return to the DFW area and the splash this makes in Hosty's FBI office a key event in rotating the patsy over to Banister and New Orleans???

Dallas Law Enforcement testimony in the Warren Commission Part 20: FBI Agent James Hosty March 1963: Hosty is xxxigned the Marina Oswald case as part of the FBI's routine to track immigrants from the USSR; no Lee Oswald case was active The Oswald's landlady on Elsbeth St. has evicted them for drinking and fighting, Hosty says. He locates them on 214 Neely St nearby. Hosty testifies the Oswalds need a "cooling off period" because of their fighting. Hosty reviews Lee Oswald's file and delays contact. Hosty requests Lee Oswald's casefile from New York and notices he has a connection to The Daily Worker; Hosty re-activates the file to active status A 45 day delay for first contact date is set by Hosty; but by May the Oswalds have departed Neely St - whereabouts unknown Marina cannot speak English and relies entirely on her husband to communicate, Hosty learns 17JUN63 Dallas FBI office is alerted by New Orleans FBI office that LHO might now be in New Orleans Summer 1963 - New Orleans and Dallas FBI offices exchange bureaucratic communications with each other; this paperwork is apparently more important that actually studying the Oswalds Early August 1963 - New Orleans and Dallas FBI offices finally agree that Oswald is in New Orleans and the N.O. office is in charge Jun63 - Hosty hears that on 21April1963 a Confidential Informant tells the FBI that Oswald is publicly demonstrating for the FPCC. Hosty decides to ignore this information as "stale" and/or invalid Although he is aware of the FPCC from bureau-wide memos, Hosty denies any FPCC presence in Dallas Hosty now reveals that he has worked on the Oswald case in July 1962, which is arguably a year+ earlier than Hosty initially implied 3OCT63 Hosty reconnects with the Oswald case - having no contact with it during the summer when it was handled by the New Orleans office 3OCT63 the N.O. office asks Dallas to find the Oswalds as they were last seen leaving N.O. in a station wagon with Texas plates 25OCT63 Hosty learns from the CIA that Oswald was in Mexico City in early October at the Soviet embassy, this now makes Hosty very very curious about the Oswalds 29OCT63 Hosty learns of Ruth Paine's address in Irving from a change-of-address notice the Oswalds left in New Orleans Hosty gets background information about the Paines from their neighbors & employers - and does a credit check on the Paines 1NOV63 Hosty visits Ruth Paine & Marina Oswald at Ruth Paine's house in Irving Hosty admits that he was concerned the Paines were traitors to the US, but is re-assured by positive information received from several sources Ruth Paine tells Hosty she is taking care of Marina and the kids while Lee Oswald lives somewhere unknown in Oak Cliff Ruth Paine tells Hosty Lee Oswald works at the TSBD Ruth Paine tells Hosty that she has forbidden Lee Oswald from living in her house Marina is alarmed at Hosty's presence because, according to Hosty, people from communist-controlled countries equate the police with the Gestapo Marina is told not to be alarmed and Hosty tries to reassure her that she is in no trouble - using Ruth Paine as a translator Marina is smiling, happy, and shaking hands with Hosty as he leaves, Hosty says Hosty leaves his name and number with a request that Oswald's rooming house address be provided to him when known Because Lee Oswald told Ruth Paine that he had been fired from every job he ever had by the FBI, Ruth Paine paused slightly before revealing to Hosty that Lee worked at the TSBD - according to Hosty 4NOV63 Hosty verifies LHO works at the TSBD in a non-security-sensitive role 5NOV63 Hosty briefly visits Ruth Paine's house in Irving where he is told by Ruth that Oswald is a "very illogical person" for saying he is a "Trotskyite Communist." Hosty admits he knew about Oswald's TV appearances in New Orleans and considered Marxism and communism part of his "character" Hosty connects the Trotskyite reference with the Socialist Workers Party and in turn with the FPCC, which, Hosty insists, is categorically separate from the Communist Party of the United States WC member Allen Dulles asks Hosty several times if he is from the Dallas office or from the New Orleans office - Hosty explains he is from Dallas and that the previous witness was from New Orleans; Dulles is apparently asleep Hosty and the WC have a lengthy discussion of file numbers and bureaucratic nonsense for 3+ pages of testimony Oswald is doing work for the FPCC in the summer of 1963, Hosty says A paperwork inconsistency is discussed whereby one document says Oswald was married in Texas and the other says he was married in the USSR - indicating Oswald has told different stories about his marriage and also about Marina's maiden name Hosty says there is evidence that Oswald told the FBI in New Orleans that he was born in Cuba Hosty says that as of 1NOV63 he is aware Oswald has lied to the FBI at least about his marriage details Hosty's initial interest during this period was primarily in determining why Oswald visited the Soviet embassy in Mexico City Hosty takes no further action concerning the Oswalds between 5NOV63 and 22NOV63 15NOV63 - the Dallas FBI office is asked to report any potential threats to JFK or LBJ in preparation for the 22NOV63 visit, Hosty says 21NOV63 - Hosty learns by reading a newspaper that there will be a presidential motorcade through Dallas the next day Hosty denies knowing the motorcade route, denies countact with the Secret Service, and denies any recognition that the TSBD is on the motorcade route Hosty insists he alerts the Secret Service to the "Wanted For Treason" handbills on 21NOV63 The Secret Service was also made aware of a "person in Denton" who had "made some remarks about the President;" additionally they were made aware of planned protesters at the Trade Mart Hosty insists he has no knowledge of who produced the "Wanted for Treason" handbills and did not investigate them further Until about 11:45am on 22NOV63 Hosty is in conference with an Army Intelligence agent and an [ATF] agent on - he says - an unrelated matter Hosty and the Army intelligence agent watch JFK pass by the intersection of Main & Field; Hosty then goes to lunch and hears of shots fired Hosty is ordered to Parkland; but before he arrives he is ordered back to the office where he is to search files for any possible assassins 1:30 Hosty hears of the Tippit shooting 2:00 Hosty is shocked, shocked! to hear Oswald is in custody for Tippit's murder according to a FBI agent at the DPD The first thing Hosty then notices is an administrative detail related to Oswald's file of no importance to anyone but a professional government bureaucrat Hosty then notices the New Orleans FBI office has supplied the Dallas FBI office with Oswald's mugshot made in the aftermath of the Carlos Bringuier incident The 2:00 call from a FBI man at the DPD also informed Hosty that Oswald was witnessed shooting Tippit, Hosty says Hosty is ordered to proceed immediately to the DPD and participate in the Oswald interrogation 3pm: While parking his car at the DPD, Hosty meets DPD Lt Revil who says he has a hot lead - a TSBD employee named "Lee" Lt Revil conveys doubt that LHO is the presidential assassin - either by words or an unbelieving look Hosty explains he had to create an affidavit on 24APR64 to "set the record straight" as to what he and Lt. Revil discussed - which was the subject of an article in the Dallas Morning News whereby Hosty was alleged to say that Oswald was capable of killing the president Hosty denies ever telling Lt Revil or anyone else that Oswald was capable of killing the president Hosty denies talking with any DPD officer or chief between 24APR64 and the day of his WC testimony After leaving Revil, Hosty joins FBI agent James Bookhout and DPD Captain Will Fritz in Fritz's office to interrogate Oswald Oswald's initial interview notes are destroyed and reduced to a typed report on 23NOV63, Hosty testifies 3:15 Oswald's interrogation begins, agree Hosty & Bookhout Oswald goes completely nuts when Hosty identifies himself by "ranting and raving" against Hosty personally and the FBI Hosty says Oswald snarled at them and was surly - including the use of profanity Oswald is hostile because Hosty has reached out to Marina without Lee present, Hosty claims Because Oswald reacts angrily towards Hosty, Hosty and Brookhout adopt a retiring, silent posture in the back of Fritz's office. They merely observe, Hosty says. LHO denies owning a rifle, denies bringing a rifle to the TSBD, admits living in the USSR, and calls himself secretary of the FPCC Fritz confronts Oswald with a "marksman's medal from the Marine Corps," which Oswald claims he won as a Marine sharpshooter LHO provides provides his address on Beckley and admits to being at work in the TSBD on 22NOV63, Hosty says LHO says he is having lunch and a Coca-Cola in the TSBD lunchroom when JFK is shot LHO says that he left work because he felt the assassination chaos would cancel work for the rest of the day, Hosty says LHO says he leaves the TSBD, takes a bus to Beckley, and goes to a movie, Hosty says LHO says he carried a pistol the the Texas Theatre because he "felt like it," Hosty says LHO admits to resisting arrest and denies shooting Tippit or Kennedy, Hosty says After prompting from WC member McCloy, Hosty says Oswald denies being in Mexico except for Tijuana on the California border DPD Capt Fritz did not hear about Oswald in Mexico from Hosty, according to Hosty DPD Capt Fritz did not hear about Oswald's FPCC activities in New Orleans from Hosty, according to Hosty Hosty has not talked to DPD chief Curry in several years because they are not on the same professional level Hosty says he deals with Lt Revil, not Curry, and provides him with information - although he is vague about this WC attorney Stern wonders how Fritz could get the information about Oswald in Mexico CJ Earl Warren asks Hosty if Oswald was ever an informant or used in a cooperative role by the FBI - Hosty says no and offers a supporting affidavit Hosty denies meeting LHO prior to 22NOV63 Hosty denies Oswald is connected with any other US government agency 4:03PM Oswald leaves first interview in Fritz's office 4:03pm to 8:00pm - Hosty camps out in Fritz's outer office 6:00pm Hosty observes Secret Service SAIC Forrest Sorrels interview Oswald without Hosty present Hosty on 22NOV63 believes the FBI has no jurisdiction in the assassination although the Secret Service does - but Hosty admits he later determines that neither the FBI nor the Secret Service have jurisdiction in the Kennedy assassination Upon the conclusion of Oswald's interview with Forrest Sorrels, Hosty tells Sorrels that the FBI HQ in Washington has secret information about Oswald which can be provided to Secret Service headquarters in Washington Hosty testifies that the secret information he is unable to share with Sorrels involves Oswald's contacts with the Soviet embassies in Washington and Mexico City Since 22NOV63 Hosty says he has spoken to DPD Lt Revil twice, but they did not discuss the JFK assassination 23NOV - 24NOV Hosty has no more contact with the DPD but works around the clock investigating Oswald - talking to Ruth Paine and others who knew Oswald Some time in January or February of 1964, Hosty says he talked with TSBD boss Roy Truly. Truly says he didn't know the motorcade would pass by the TSBD until he saw a newspaper article on 21NOV63 Hosty says that there was no reason to worry about violence from Oswald merely because of his defector status and communist affiliations Hosty says that Oswald was a security risk "of some sort," but again insists there was no indicated risk of violence prior to 22NOV63 The threshold reporting criteria for relaying a presidential security threat to the Secret Service is actual intent to harm or "take action," according to Hosty Although Hosty insists he made no connection prior to 22NOV63 between Oswald's known employment at the TSBD and the presidential motorcade route, he elaborates that even if he had made the connection that a defector-communist like Oswald worked at the TSBD, he would not have considered this a threat Hosty has no knowledge of anyone else besides LHO involved in the assassination, he testifies CONCERNS: Is Hosty's explanation for the failure to reach the Oswalds in Dallas during the spring of 1963 reasonable - that they needed a "cooling off period" in view of marital strife? Is marital strife an effective tool to keep the FBI away? Where and when did Fritz obtain Oswald's Marine Corps Medal? Is this consistent with other testimony about collecting evidence? Is Hosty's claim that Oswald denied shooting JFK in the initial interview consistent with other tetimony? How and when does Fritz learn of Oswald in Mexico City? How and when does Fritz learn of Oswald's FPCC activities in New Orleans? Isn't the FBI the only possible source for Fritz's interrogation technique of confronting Oswald with Mexico City and the FPCC? Hosty denies giving this information to Fritz - so how does Fritz know? 4:03 is the time Hosty says Oswald's first interview ends - but do Hosty + Fritz agree on interview timelines? What is Hosty doing for four hours, between 4 and 8pm, when he testifies he is in the DPD Homicide office? Does Hosty's 6pm timestamp match Forest Sorrels testimony around the first Secret Service contact with Oswald? Are the interviewers present for Oswald's first interview consistent as between Hosty and DPD testimony? Secret Service agent Sorrels learns of Oswald in Mexico City when and how? Does Sorrels join Fritz in confronting Oswald about Mexico City and if so - is this consistent with how Sorrels could know about Mexico City? Hosty endures perhaps the most intense direct examination by actual Warren Commission members including the big guns - the US Chief Justice Earl Warren, future US president Gerald Ford, ex-CIA man Alan Dulles....why is there such intense personal interest in Hosty almost unprecedented in terms of law enforcement testimony? Is the WC looking to set up Hosty as a fall guy for not protecting the president? Is Hosty perhaps an unwitting patsy-in-waiting to take the blame for not protecting JFK from Oswald? Hosty denies any conspiracy in the assassination for the WC, but doesn't he in his book insist on a communist conspiracy? Is Hosty telling the truth around the 21APR63 information from a confidential informant regarding Oswald's FPCC activites? Or is he trying to retroactively cover his xxx by insisting he had no such knowledge until around October? Hosty portrays only mild, lazy interest in the Oswalds until the Mexico City embassy event - is this accurate or is he trying to retroactively cover his xxx by insisting the FBI had little interest in Oswald until around October? Does Hosty intimate his first knowledge of the Oswalds is in the Spring of 1963 only to later admit that his first knowledge came in July of 1962? Given that the Wanted for Treason handbills are printed by Minutemen-related figures Bob Surrey and/or General Edwin Walker in almost exact format of previously known Khrushchev posters - is Hosty telling the truth when he denies knowing who's behind the Wanted for Treason handbills? Hosty has written a memo in September of 1963 shown above in this thread acknowledging the Minutemen "Wanted For... " handbills created about Khrushchev. IS Hosty protecting the Dallas Minutemen? Is Hosty deliberately trying to cast suspicion on Ruth Paine by his testimony that she was reluctant to reveal Oswald's TSBD employer? Isn't Hosty unusually conversant with shades of communism (like, he says, Ruth Paine); i.e. Trotskyite, Stalinist, the Socialist Workers Party - and doesn't he have an inexplicably precise understanding of which of these is linked to the FPCC? Do we believe that Hosty has no knowledge of a Dallas presidential motorcade until the day before Kennedy arrives, as he testifies? ...and is it perhaps more likely that Hosty knows of the presidential motorcade for many days or weeks in advance, and thus realizes that it passes by Oswald and the TSBD...but wants to hide this from the Warren Commission? Why is Hosty meeting with army intelligence on 22NOV63 prior to the assassination? (from other sources we see that the meeting was about Minuteman illegal gun dealer John T Masen - and also included ATF agent Frank Ellsworth. Ellsworth separately said General Walker's Minutemen are the group most likely behind the Kennedy assassination). THIS MEETING IS VERY SUSPICIOUS! ! ! ISN'T HOSTY CALLING JOHN T MASEN AN "UNRELATED MATTER" EVIDENCE HE IS PROTECTING THE DALLAS FAR RIGHT? What is the meaning of Lt Revil's 3pm parking lot/stairwell disbelief that Oswald is the presidential assassin? Some of the big cinematic talking points of Oswald's interrogation are remarkably the same between the testimonies we've seen so far - Oswald says he owns no rifle, he's belligerent, he lives on Beckley, he takes a bus from the TSBD, he admits to carrying a pistol, he's in the FPCC- is there a rehearsed agreement as to what Oswald said made between all those present, (except of course the dead Oswald)? Hosty's WC testimony is obfuscated by paragraph after tiring paragraph discussing bureaucratic minutia of no relevance to the assassination - this is a powerfully effective way to hide information and discourage readers. Besides IMO evidence Hosty is protecting the Radical Right (the handbills and 22NOV63 morning meeting re: John T Masen ) ....doesn't Hosty do the most damage to DPD Capt Fritz by offering a competing timeline, Oswald's medal, and the provenance of knowledge around the Mexico City embassies? Obviously the music Hosty wants us to hear is that he had minimal knowledge and contact with Oswald AND had no legitimate reason to have anything but minimal knowledge and contact with Oswald....does this ring true? I don't have Hosty's book. What else can we add from it to his WC testimony?

As I am to serve, here is an attempt at a CliffsNotes® Version. It's helpful to keep track of where we've been and where we hope to go. >Thread pp #< >1< Paul Trejo's thesis states in my understanding: Oswald participated in the shooting attack on General Edwin Walker of 10 April 1963, as one of two shooters Oswald is brought to New Orleans by the crew Jim Garrison identified - ««Guy Banister is operating Oswald«« in New Orleans Oswald is theatrically made into a hyper-communist bent on supporting Castro while in New Orleans Oswald's penultimate costume in his commie-nut legend is crystallized by action in Mexico City, with a loud and ostentatious Cuban/Soviet embassy edition of the show adding the final cosmetic touches. Oswald imagines himself as 007 James Bond, albeit a *poverty-stricken James Bond* without decent housing, healthcare, a car, or money Oswald is through deliberate manipulation (and perhaps some dumb luck) becoming the strongest candidate to play a patsy role in the JFK assassination - all unbeknownst to Oswald himself - his commie-nut-act has a variety of uses. Oswald was drafted into a conspiracy by the American Radical Right headed by General Edwin A Walker in Dallas - even though Oswald knows not his master nor his true purpose. Oswald is unaware that Oswald will be blamed and quickly silenced as part of the conspiracy, and perhaps only Oswald is, of all the prime actors, unaware that actually killing JFK is part of the plan. The local law enforcement in Dallas are the mechanics of the assassination from start to finish - under clandestine command of General Walker FBI Director J Edgar Hoover and President Johnson are scared to death of either the communists or the Radical Right catching the blame for JFK's death (see Moyers memo above) - so they command Supreme Court Chief Justice Earl Warren to manage the cover-up centered on a Lone Nut explanation The Warren Report cover-up and the authors of the assassination are two separate efforts sponsored by separate people with separate goals as shown by the blatant evidence of conspiracy un-hidden in the Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits which the American people and press are too lazy to read >2< Dr Jeff Caufield is highlighted as a key researcher in the General Walker-Radical Right CT; other evidence of the extreme right is discussed, especially the Minutemen. I say Dr Jerry Rose deserves a lot of credit for aiming in the direction of Walker and the Radical Right starting 25+ years ago. >3-6< General discussion of Oswald's Soviet period and the Radical Right Leander Perez & John T Masen are discussed as prime suspects in the Radical Right. Jim Root introduces theory that LHO was manipulated by General Walker as early as Oswald's defection to the USSR in 1959. The logistics of Oswald's defection through Europe seem suspicious - especially his near-miraculous choice of Helsinki as a departure point since this is the one place in the world at the time issuing immediate entry permits to the Soviet Union. Jim Root says Oswald is programmed by those like General Walker who want no peace between the USA and USSR. >7< Dallas Police Department, Dallas County Sheriff's Department, Dallas FBI office, and Dallas Secret Service office are presented as the operational foot soldiers of 22 November 1963 >8< Out of ~91 local law enforcement officers testifying to the Warren Commission, the thread focuses on 18-20, especially leaders and those at the TSBD: The Sheriff's Deputies (Walthers, Mooney, Boone) and Constable Wetizman are all conveniently standing at the corner of Main and Houston happy to wave and frolic with the crowd as Kennedy drives by. Upon gunfire they run up the Grssy Knoll to the triple underpass area where they believed a shooter was located. "Someone" tells them to go to the TSBD. The sheriff's deputies in the official narrative discover all the key evidence at the TSBD. (underapreciated FACT: Kennedy is killed <100 yards from the jail and the sheriff's office - they are in a prime position to manage the crime scene) Numerous police testify to encountering or receiving orders from Secret Service men in Dealey Plaza. Officially there are no Secret Service men in Dealey Plaza. <9> Deputy Buddy Walthers is identified as the superman of 22 November - he's everywhere! His testimony about the Grassy Knoll, the nothing-at-all he is looking at in the pictures of him investigating the infield of Dealey Plaza, his interaction with TSBD witnesses, his presence at Oswald's capture, his finding file cabinets of commie literature at Ruth Paine's house, his ability to extract Oswald's Beckley address by interrogating Marina, et al., convince us that Walthers has a starring role in the day's events. By contrast, Sheriff Decker's testimony is almost a blank page of vagueness. <10-26 > Highlights of other police testimony: DPD Inspector Herbert Sawyer is initial commander at TSBD, claims building is secure at 1245 DPD Captain Will Fritz testifies to a magical just-in-time appearance at the day's important events - he shows up at TSBD just in time for the rifle and spent shells to be found, and to hear Oswald is missing, and to hear Tippit is dead, and gets back to the station just in time to interrogate Oswald - who remains in custody for 2 days with almost no record of what he says or does in Fritz's custodial control DPD motorcycle officer Marrion Baker practically ruins the Lone Nut narrative by testifying to Oswald's appearance calmly in the 2nd floor lunchroom, barely a minute after gunshots (¿¿¿if the WC is in on it - why not discount/quash/destroy this testimony???) DPD crime scene investigator Lieutenant Day and journalist Tom Alyea argue that the 6th floor evidence is tampered with before the scene is composed and dressed for crime scene photography (¿¿¿if the WC is in on it - why not discount/quash/destroy this testimony???) The Tippit murder scene and investigation is minimal-to-non-existent in witness testimony, even so, the police... ...immediately know <1 hour after Kennedy's death that Oswald is the prime suspect, his [inaccurate] description is used to find and arrest Oswald at the Texas Theatre There is no reliable chain of evidence for any of the key pieces used to establish Oswald's guilt (rifle, pistol, shells, bullets, wallet, ID, etc.) The police often testify they don't know where evidence went, when it arrived, or who they gave it to All witnesses above the Grassy Knoll in the Triple Underpass / railroad tracks area report a sea of police officers present - even the police nominally first on the scene report police are already present. <27-28> Focus on apparent principles - Captain Fritz and Sheriff Decker. Fritz tries to hide his repeated contacts with Decker on 22 November. Evidence DPD officer Roscoe White involved in Tippit's murder. I offer speculative hypotheses that the evidence shows: |a| Fritz knew of Tippit's murder before the official 1:18 announcement AND |b| the police knew of Oswald's Beckley St rooming house before they even arrested him - because Earlene Roberts says they showed up trying to find him at about 1:30, AND |c| there are numerous examples of a »»»schism between the authors of the assassination and the cover-up««« found in the form of planted pro-Castro commie-nut evidence linked to Oswald, such as the file cabinets Deputy Walthers claims to pack up in his trunk from the Paine house and the entire New Orleans thru Mexico City Summer of '63 Oswald acts out in dramatic, highly visible fashion unnecessary for a Lone Nut patsy. NEXT UP: a closer look at those closest to Oswald during his last 48 hours of life: FBI agents Hosty & Bookhoust, SS agent Sorrels, USPS Inspector Holmes

Hi Paul, I offer this 25 November 1963 memo for Bill Moyers which gives the marching orders you describe in your post - neither the communists nor the extreme right are to receive public blame for the assassination. I am impressed with the sublime recognition only 3 days after the assassination that Oswald's commie credentials are "too pat -- too obvious." Furthermore, Washington is already discontent with the DPD for pushing the commie conspiracy explanation.

Hi Paul, Do most CTers realize that one of the earliest proponents of the CIA-did-it CT wasn't Jim Garrison - but instead John Birch Society leaders like Revilo Oliver? 1. August 30, 1964 Washington Post 2. FBI internal report of Oliver's CIA-did-it CT: 3. Revilo Officer mentions his old friends General Walker, Robert Surrey, Carlos Bringuier, & Kent Courtney as sources of information for his innovative 1964 CT that the CIA was in conspiracy to kill Kennedy, along with the communists

Hi Paul, Ok, there's plenty of holes and missing time in the police testimony, especially from leaders like Fritz and Decker. Here's one more I'd like to point out. Isn't there evidence to suggest the police are already at Oswald's Beckley rooming house perhaps before Oswald is even arrested? Or in any event before they officially discover the Beckley address? 1. Oswald's housekeeper on Beckley says Fritz's men gave her "the third degree:" 2. Perhaps Earlene Roberts gets the third degree because of her problematic testimony? a. she has Frtiz's men showing up about 1:30, and, b. she remembers Oswald wearing a DARK jacket and perhaps most revealing c. the police ARE LOOKING for Oswald 3. Oswald's landlord also tends to support the timeline given by Earlene Roberts: 4. But DPD Detective Walter Potts says they don't get to Oswald's Beckley rooming house until 3pm and didn't search until 5pm: 5. Deputy Buddy Walthers says law enforcement discovered the Beckley address: >>>Given that Buddy Walthers on 22NOV63 was according to his testimony studied above in this thread: On the street in Dealey Plaza watching the motorcade pass Talking to the wounded Tague and investigating the grass of the Dealey Plaza infield at 12:40 - according to the Hertz sign Present at the Texas Theatre for Oswald's arrest Returning to the police station where Sheriff Decker gives him Ruth Paine's address Discovering Oswald's Beckley address by doing a reverse search on a phone number provided by Marina at the Paine house -AND- >>>Given that DPD officer Adamcik pinpoints his and Walther's arrival at the Paine house at 3pm: ....Then why is there such a big conflict between the time of arrival of Frtiz's men at Oswald's rooming house according to Roberts/Johnson (1:30ish) versus what the earliest possible discovery of the Beckley address suggests (3pm)? Isn't it obvious that the police are trying to reverse-engineer their arrival at Beckley (by making it later) so that they can justify getting to Beckley only AFTER they allegedly discovered the address at 3pm from Marina? IMO when the police arrive at Beckley, there is testimony from Earlene Roberts to suggest they are LOOKING for Oswald! .... and....Why look for Oswald by name before his arrest? Here is part two of «««Jason's Test Hypothesis»»»™ : In the minutes around and after Tippit's death, the police aren't sure yet where Oswald is, but they know to look for him at his rooming house - this happens at or near the same time they track him down to the Texas Theater. In all cases, they MUST find Oswald... Jason

Hi Keyvan, Items 1-2-3 I can accept as plausible. By accept I mean the evidence either supports this or doesn't eliminate this. I think the evidence suggests that Oswald was flamboyantly seeking a visa to Cuba and/or the USSR and wanted this well known, practically broadcasted. The part you have about offering to kill JFK is problematic on many levels IMO. Items 4-7 rise to the level of speculation with little to no evidence of support - IMO. Evidence you can post in support of your 7 step plan is something I highly value, so please post it if you have it. I guess for me the main thing is that you don't account for Oswald's highly dramatic Summer of '63 - which starts in my view from the 10 April shooting at General Walker's house, Oswald's then immediate move to New Orleans, all the public spectacle of FPCC activity and media coverage, and his return to Dallas. IMO the programmers of Oswald's actions in New Orleans are the authors of the assassination. Apart from the Alvarado story what is there to suggest Oswald was talking about killing Kennedy? ---HSCA Report Vol 11, p 163 Jason

Hi Paul, That the "sniper's nest" was tampered with some time after the shots were fired is IMO strongly supported by evidence: 1. DPD CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATOR LT. DAY SAYS HIS CRIME SCENE PHOTOS DO NOT "JIBE" WITH PHOTOS TAKEN OF THE TSBD IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE SHOTS: 2. DPD CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATOR LT DAY ALL BUT ADMITS THAT EVIDENCE WAS MOVED PRIOR TO HIS ARRIVAL AND PRIOR TO OFFICIAL CRIME SCENE PHOTOGRAPHS 3.CE 716 - Lt. Day's official sniper's nest crime scene photo including 3 empty shells; but there is only 1 box towards the top of the photo (towards the western edge of the window) 4. CE 482 - exterior shot of the TSBD taken before Lt Day's arrival - the arrow points to a stacked group of boxes NOT present when Lt Day took crime scene photos: 5. Press cameraman Tom Alyea was also on the 6th floor before the official crime scene photos made by Lt. Day. He says: Is this enough evidence to convince us that the "sniper's nest" on the 6th floor was manipulated by Captain Fritz and that he perjured himself by claiming no one touched the evidence until photographed? If the Warren Commission is a cohesive part of the assassination and cover up, why do they blindside Lt day by showing him CE 482 for the first time at his WC deposition, which forces him to admit that evidence tampering is the only explanation for the difference between CE 482 & CE 716? SOURCES 1-4: Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits 5: Dr Tony Austin, The Dealey Plaza Echo, Vol 13, Iss 3, November 2009

Hi Paul, I am still probing the timeline of Fritz and the other officers we've looked at so far in search of conflicting testimony. I read Secret Service Agent Forest Sorrels testimony looking for data points to compare with the others at the TSBD. In a few places, Sorrels offers the most provocative testimony of all the law enforcement officers that day. ---===---===---===--- The Sheriff's deputies who arrive at the TSBD do so -they testify- because of some vague hearsay from other officers suggesting they go there after visiting the railroad tracks area. Most DPD officers hear a 1234/1235 radio call pinpointing the TSBD as the source of gunfire. But... 1. Secret Service chief Forest Sorrels beelines for the TSBD after dropping off a bloody president and governor at Parkland not because he hears about it on the radio. Out of everyone visibly present in Dealey Plaza whom Sorrels has seen up close while riding ahead of JFK in the motorcade, Sorrels independently of all others that day isolates the TSBD as the place with witnesses that need his priority attention. 2. Sorrels testifies that it takes him a total of 20 minutes to travel from Dealey Plaza at the time of the first gunshot, drop off the bloody victims at Parkland, and return to Dealey Plaza entering the TSBD via an unguarded loading dock. He fudges a little and says this may have taken 25 minutes at the most. 3. Sorrels makes a point to get a list of TSBD employees - even though he testifies to having no idea that the TSBD is a location of criminal activity: CONCERNS: AFAIK, the US Secret Service has no mandate to investigate assassinations, their role on November 22, 1963 is only to protect the president - so why doesn't Sorrels continue protecting the president or presumptive president at Parkland? Why does he speed back to the TSBD under lights and sirens? Is the explanation for why Sorrels goes to the TSBD after dropping off his bloody protectee at Parkland in keeping with either his duty or the reasonable assumptions he could have made at the time? Why does he go to one and only one building instead of trying to locate witnesses a few feet from the shooting on the sidewalk, in the grass, on the overpass, etc.? Why does Sorrels enter the TSBD through the loading dock? Is the explanation for why Sorrels demands a list of TSBD employees reasonable - that is, is it reasonable to demand a list of TSBD employees BEFORE there is any thought that the TSBD was used to launch gunfire? Is the TSBD loading dock ever sealed at all? Sorrels testifies that at 12:50 to 12:55 it is open to all without challenge. Given a reasonable 20-25 minute roundtrip time between Dealey Plaza, Parkland, and back to Dealey Plaza again, I might suggest we stipulate that the TSBD is sealed no earlier than 12:50, even though there's little evidence in the police testimony I've seen that the TSBD loading dock is ever sealed. Where is the film of the passing motorcade taken from another building that Inspector Sawyer says was investigated/obtained by Sorrels? Sorrels never mentions this film in WC testimony (see Sawyer's testimony below).