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  1. article: We are all hostages to 9/11: https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/09/article/we-are-all-hostages-of-9-11/
  2. Right on the button I think. I was surprised at myself for not "getting" 9/11 sooner after all the JFK reading I had done. Some got it right away - Peter Dale Scott for example. And Christopher Bollyn is the Vincent Salandria of the case matching the early and prescient observations of Feldman and Castro. My own first exposure was reading a long book by Dr Judy Wood called "Where Did the Towers Go" which brought into view the notion of thermite and explosives used. David Ray Griffin seemed to "get it" right away and his book brought the sense of a recurring process into my vantage point. Philip Marshall's "The Big Bamboozle" - a pilot himself - described how unlikely the flight scenarios were and I believe he and his family were murdered because of his frankness. The lack of a trial also mirrored the JFK case, as did the control of he crime scene and the cover-up. It was so awful to see, that it was difficult to imagine such a thing being planned, but planned it was. Reading that the "investigation" spent less money than the Monica romp or the Mueller probe added to this sense as well. Even with the JFK case, we had books by Lane and Meagher and Sauvage and Buchanan as well as Garrison's probe within a 6 year period. Here we are almost 20 years later and hardly any discussions on a mainstream level. It has affected every aspect of American life - the pre-written "Patriot" Act, the omnipresent X-ray machines not only in airports but in government buildings in every podunk village. A recent hobby has been watching scores - even hundreds - of "first amendment audits" where people bring a camera into a public building and these public servants act like they are being faced with "terrorists" even though they are filmed from every angle, at every place they go. One sees the grasping after authority to get rid of these people as if taking a picture in public was a frightening thing to encounter. The free fall of Building 7 is the SBT of the case--it even was announced on BBC as having fallen "due to fires" while shown still standing in the background. Also on BBC, 2 hours after the initial crash, Ehud Barak was announcing that "Bin Laden" was responsible for such atrocity while I was thinking it might be two guys flying planes into the building for kicks. The combination of inter-related intelligence agencies with the military has produced a vile, evil combination at odds with every notion of what America has meant. That the longest war in American history is one result of 9/11 echoes the horror of Vietnam that followed JFK's killing. Once the public is perceived as being either gullible or stupid or apathetic, it is easier to pull things like this off. "Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio?"
  3. Such an appropriate and elegant response to some of the toxicity that has weaved its way through some recent threads.
  4. This picture has a haunting quality to me. Just finished reading The Assassination of James Forrestal by David Martin published this year. It's not the best edited work one will find, but it has all the essentials. His "suicide" reminded me of Epstein's--new night time watch, confusing stories about timeline and strange conclusions based on finding the body. He was found with a bathrobe belt around his neck as if he tried to hang himself from a nearby radiator but no robe was ever found; he was allegedly suicidal, but placed on the 16th floor with easy access to open windows. There was no autopsy. There was a ridiculous report of him copying out a portion of a Greek poem about Ajax, right before "jumping" yet the handwriting bears no resemblance to Forrestal's. Pictures of broken glass near his bed were suppressed; his priest was denied access to him; his brother found him lucid and ready to return home. He had been viciously attacked from both the "right" - Walter Winchell, and the "left" - Drew Pearson, for not supporting the creation of an Israeli State within the Arab lands and population. Pearson in particular made up stories of his "numerous" suicide attempts to help cushion the main stream version of his death. A report on the unlikelihood of suicide was suppressed for 50 years. All this happening at that bastion of post-mortem truth - Bethesda Naval Medical Center. He was the first Secretary of Defense when the services were combined and was replaced, by Truman's chief fundraiser Louis Johnson who managed to visit him at the hospital. A former executive at Dillion Reed and friend of Robert Lovett, he appeared to be a man of integrity and conviction who rubbed some of the people in power the wrong way. That he took a liking to JFK and brought him to the Potsdam Conference adds to the poignancy of it all.
  5. Joe, I recently posted this comment on a YouTube video on the Netherlands which, like many countries in Europe, combine a capitalist culture with social activism, leveling the playing field a bit. For example, no CEO is allowed a bonus in excess of 20% of their yearly income; private health care plans are regulated by the government, allowing wide participation; communities and housing are planned so that no one with huge bank accounts and equally huge egos, can dominate an environment. Native New Yorker who has lived in Washington DC and California and now resides in the Netherlands. The Netherlands is what Americans "think" they have in ambiance and government but aren't even close. The schools, police, transit, community centers, medical system are all superior to the States. There is respect shown for every worker in every position. There is much less honking of horns or defacing of buildings; there are a few busy traffic corners in Rotterdam that have no lights--each respects the right of the other and it runs smoothly--even with a tram running through it. The Netherlands was way ahead of the States on the decriminalization of marijuana. It is also a diverse country ; when I first arrived I thought I was in New York. Which, by the way, would be a lot better place if the Dutch had stayed and developed it; once the English took over, Manhattan was cut like a checker board with straight lines. The Dutch part of Manhattan--below Canal Street - shows what could have been reality throughout the island--angled streets, pockets of community, lots of green places, lots of water to soothe and provide places of reflection. It is the most densely populated country in Europe and handles the density with care and variety. From land that was below sea level, the Dutch created a civilization that embraces the natural forces of life and adjusts to it. It is a child-friendly country; imagine the MLB or NFL players walking out hand in hand with a boy or girl who plays the sport. Not the least of the pleasures is the priority of the bike and the bike paths. Cars dominate most cities in America--indeed there is little consideration for those who walk or bike. The Netherlands has its priorities right: the "pursuit of happiness" is as important as "life" and "liberty."
  6. This dribble from the guy who recently dumped on the site and said adios and then returned without any acknowledgement of the contradiction of his "bold announcement." Even recently he wrote that "someone" had told him that his input was desired, so he deigned to return and give his "legal" insight (not that he was looking at the site, mind you, cause he dumped on it, but "someone" told him he was needed.) It must be lonely talking to cats in Arizona and the need to expound his "insights" overcame his revulsion at the depths to which the site had fallen. The final indignity? He thinks all should thank him for his desperate attempt to be relevant.
  7. https://milnenews.com/2019/07/15/what-if-we-told-you-william-barrs-father-didnt-hire-jeffrey-epstein-and-could-prove-it FWIW- I find this timeline more persuasive, but perhaps in time, we will know for sure.
  8. This is apparently not true. I spent sometime researching it. Barr Sr. was in a dispute with the Board of Dalton over their desire to be more "progressive." (During the Wilson presidency someone described a "progressive" as an "idealist" without any principles. I saw him in a 1974 interview with Benjamin Spock,and Edward Bloustein on PBS. He didn't seem the type to hire someone like Epstein and I started popping about. The website "amazing polly" (with 157K subscribers) did a report: New York Times: re Dalton: Barr Quits, stayed until June 1974: https://www.nytimes.com/1974/02/20/ar. Complaint Dalton / Dunnan: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-con... "Now they are saying that ALL previous reports of Epstein working at Dalton from 1973-1975 are wrong. I look at that in the first half. In the second half I show you that Gardner P Dunnan may someday face legal trouble of his own - this guy has been involved in some questionable projects & activities and yet he keeps getting hired to work in education." Barr's successor seems like the kind of guy that would hire Epstein.
  9. When I heard the news, I started to see the "neck injuries" as a way to remove him from other prisoners in a separate suicide watch cell. There business could be taken care of easier. Wonder if the coroner will play along. . The cellmate on watch was to wear only a paper gown, no blanket provided to assist any"hanging" and the watch would be continuous and unobstructed 24/7. A friend called earlier and suggested maybe a guard walked by, slipped him his belt, and then found $300,000 in his locker enabling him to retire. My own take is more - broken camera, in-and-out, done deal.
  10. I had assumed that most readers familiar with modern poetry would have had this impression; it was the reason I compared it to Pound's Cantos or Peter Dale Scott's Minding the Darkness. Reading some of the posts here - as disconcerting as it was - at least illuminated the thought processes of the NJ Governor and the State's Legislative members. This "discussion" reminded me of a Wall Street Journal essay a year or so ago by the Dean of Drexel who is an English professor. She refers to two plays I've mentioned in previous threads. Pertinent portions of her essay: The great works of literature, history and philosophy that used to be at the center of a college education have been shunted to the sidelines or discarded entirely over the past two decades or more……. Few people seem to be able to reconcile two overlapping truths—that someone can have a valid grievance in one context and be guilty of some version of the same thing in another. I see this as a failure of education….. The assumption these days is that people are monolithic—either completely good or completely bad. The best way to repudiate that assumption is to study the humanities, which illuminate human life in all its complexity. How can you think about crime or misconduct in such an unimaginative way if you’ve read great literature: adultery after “Anna Karenina,” bad parenting after “Death of a Salesman,” political extremism and even murder after “Julius Caesar”? The greatness of these works is that they don’t excuse the conduct in question, but they do help explain it as a function of human frailty and misguided motives, sometimes of the most high-minded sort. They expose the back story that otherwise would be hidden from us so that we can, if not sympathize, at least go some way toward understanding what happened. They humanize what would otherwise look like simple stupidity or evil…. The emphasis on STEM fields in higher education reflects the need for expertise in a high-tech world. But this has tended to make the “soft” fields of the humanities seem weak and easy. Science, engineering and finance may be hard, but literature, history and philosophy are complex—impossible to resolve with a yes-or-no, right-or-wrong answer. This is precisely what constitutes their importance as a tool for living. Metaphysics takes its name from the idea that it goes beyond “hard” science into the realm of moral and intellectual speculation, where no empirical proof is possible. The humanities teach understanding, but they also teach humility: that we may be wrong and our enemies may be right, that the past can be criticized without our necessarily feeling superior to it, that people’s professed motives are not the whole story, and that the division of the world into oppressors and victims is a simplistic fairy tale. We speak about the decline of the humanities without fully recognizing how it has hurt our society. If we want our nation to heal and thrive, we must put the study of literature, history and philosophy back at the center of our curricula and require that students study complex works—not just difficult ones.
  11. What I loved was this tweet: "I am not into conspiracy theories," Scott Hechinger said. "But Epstein had destructive information on an extraordinary number of extraordinarily powerful people. It is not easy to commit suicide in prison. Especially after being placed on suicide watch. Especially after already allegedly trying." When a culture is brainwashed with meaningless terms, one must begin expressing that one is NOT "one of them" who is a "theorist" about conspiracy...BUT
  12. WN- The above mouthful from a guy who dumped on the site and then said "adios." Remember Henry Fonda's line in Leone's Once Upon a Time in the West about a guy who wore suspenders and a belt--"How can you trust a guy who doesn't trust his own pants." In this case, it's "his own mouth."
  13. Thought this guy said "adios." Guess he's not a man of his word.
  14. Thank the Lord for common sense. The use of the term "conspiracy theorist" was, like the use of the term "buff" to describe JFK skeptics, invented by the CIA as a form of mind control. Give the people who can't think for themselves something that they can use to discredit others who question their understanding of truth.
  15. Paul- I certainly don't see why you are offended. I never said you were the anti word, although at least 3 posters here used that tired smear and it was to them, that I made reference. I believe WN's intentions were similar. I "threw in" underwear wearing Dershowitz as an example of the Israeli Lobby trying to control the narrative; of the perception of Israelis as anything other than victims and do gooders whose only concern is justice. Any suggestion of nefarious behavior is immediately met with accusations of anti-you-know-what. It's the finger in the dyke approach to ANY criticism--let a little in and who knows what will pour out. If the al jazeera doc had been shown on 60 Minutes, say, it might have awoken Americans to the activity of this organization -that smears at the drop of a dime and keeps lists of college students who are concerned about the abuse of the Palestinians. In a book by Robert Sherrill about LBJ called The Accidental President, a tactic of LBJ was relayed which I never forgot and which is pertinent to some of the responses to this thread. In the midst of an early campaign, Johnson suggested that perhaps they ought to pass the word around that his opponent likes to sleep in the barn with his sows. His manager said "Lyndon, we can call the man a pig f**ker," and Johnson's reply was--"No, but we can make the SOB deny it."
  16. Prime example of the use of the ADL definition of Jew = Israeli. I wrote that it was reported - and is memorialized in stone at the Memorial in NYC - that 3 Israeli Nationals died at the WTC and 2 died on the planes. Many Jews died that day and no one suggested otherwise. The equation is fallacious no matter what Messrs Netanyahu, Pompeo, Trump or Galloway says.The whole concept of Israel as the center of World Jewry is nonsense. Iran has had Jews living there for literally centuries and many countries of the world have seamlessly assimilated a Jewish population. The Vatican is a sovereign State but hardly a "democratic" one - and although the administrative center of the billion Catholics worldwide, there is no pretense that a Catholic = a Vatican National. If the Swiss guards starting killing teenagers who claimed to have a ancestral right to land occupied by the Church would it be "anti-Catholic" to say so? Since there is the oft noted "reverence" for facts on this site, one may as well start with proper use of terms. It is somewhat surprising to find JFK "researchers" so ready to swallow another "big lie." One would think that the SBT was a lesson is deception. The number "4000" was released by the Israeli Foreign Ministry and such was used by the poet Baraka . Is it reasonable to think that there were more Equadorean and Colombian Nationals working at the WTC than Israelis? The Jerusalem paper Haaretz reported the Odigo messages - it wasn't "made up" by someone who wanted to cause trouble. Regarding the Al Franken quote - I recall reading that he said that Ed Koch called him since he knew he had an office at the WTC. I noted it at the time but didn't pursue its accuracy. Like many people I still have the desire to "believe" what the government says, but as I read illusions pop up. I read the 9/11 Report (which rather ingeniously managed to not mention at all the free fall of a 47 story building) and the follow up reports. I also read Dr Judy Wood's massive exposure of the use of thermite in the "explosion" at the WTC. Pierce Marshall's book Bamboozled showed how unlikely the narrative of the self taught "highjackers" was. David Ray Griffen's books brought the likely collaboration of the US neo-cons/ military complex and the Israeli intelligence services.The group Architects and Engineers for Truth about 9/11 stated categorically that no steel structured high rise in history ever collapsed because of a fire.Christopher Bollyn's books and presentations make a compelling case for the cui bono concept applicable to Israel and the US military. Is it not of concern that the US Government found it necessary to spend 30 million investigating Trump and 25 million investigating Clinton and only 15 million for the murder of over 2800 Americans on 9/11? There's a case for prioritizing, eh? The WTC site was never treated as a crime scene.There was never a trial even though the claim is that the "mastermind" of the attacks still sits in Guantanamo. What more does one need to at least question the veracity of the Government version? But that's not enough for the "virtue signalers" who spring up to smear and attack whenever one has the audacity to question what is perceived to be another "big lie." Is there any connection to the containment of the big lie when Alan-but-I-wore-underwear Dershowitz flew to Qatar and "persuaded" Al Jerzerra to withhold the USA showing of their explosive under cover documentary about AIPAC and its efforts to smear via the "anti-semitic" charge. Luckily all 4 parts are available on You Tube - that is until someone at google decides it's "hate speech." Also online is the documentary Defamation where it is acknowledged that the use of the "anti-semitic" charge is a "trick" to push people in a defensive mode. Another documentary online - Witchhunt - is a look at the use of such attacks on the Labor Party in the UK. Lucky Larry Silverstein - Netanyahu's weekly phone pal - took control of the WTC 6 weeks before the attacks and had the hindsight to pay insurance for two "terrorist" attacks. He also managed to forget to inform his partners that he had a "dermatologist appointment" at 8 am on 9/11 so he didn't show up that day. Quite apart from the likelihood of an 8 am appointment with a dermatologist, what are the chances that he wouldn't even "remember" he had one until his wife "insisted" he go? Again via a Haaretz headline: "Netanyahu Says 9/11 Terror Attacks Good for Israel." It does nobody any goodt o deny rational considerations of facts. Who controlled the site, who benefited from the attack, and who controlled the cover-up, remain key questions--as they did in the JFK killing.
  17. Somehow out of the estimated 4,000 Israeli nationals who were in harms way, according to the Israeli foreign ministry, almost all managed not to be in the towers or anywhere near the carnage. Given an over-representation of Israelis in the financial services companies which leased space on the Twin Towers (including Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, American Express, Kidder Peabody, Duetsche Bank, Bank of America, Merrill Lynch, Bank of New York, Wachovia, Morgan Stanley) officials expected the Israeli toll to be catastrophic, from 400 to 500 or more. Odigo also had an app that could forward messages to a particular ethnic group .
  18. If the only result of sharing Mr. Baraka’s poem was the removal of Mr Payette’s aggressively juvenile comments on this Forum, it will have served a valuable purpose. ”Adios” was surely the most embraced word we heard from him. Recently, we had to confront his disputationem intermisit and his foot-stomping pronouncement of how “real conspiracies” work - along with his dismissal of the site and its contributors. In that hit and run post, he used the worn-out metaphor of a “soap opera” as his critical referent; this time, the overused - and misused smear - “anti-semitic” as his cri de coeur. I guess he missed Baraka's focus on the powerful, on the military-industrial complex, on colonialism and racism and the mendacity of government criminals and their accomplices. Finally, we see he subscribes to the Mike Pompeo/ADL version of Merriam's dictionary, that "anti Israel equals anti Jewish" which is as stupid and as vile as any smear in our culture.Maybe he should read some Norman Finklestein or Noam Chomsky before he pontificates on that topic again. Those who express thoughts not in sync with Mr Payette’s own ideology cause him to be appalled and shell shocked (AGHAST!); while his (vast?) literary knowledge gives him license to dismiss as “claptrap” the powerful combinations of words put together by Mr Baraka in his artful response to the horror of 9/11. Let's hope that Mr Payette isn't trying to teach literature to the young in his spare time. Senator Moynihan’s dictum that one is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts, applies to the use of history in art as well as in political dialogue. Mr Payette's diatribe does one thing useful I guess - he allows us a peek into the similar sensibilities of the NJ legislators who pay lip service to art and then smash it when they see it.
  19. some background: Amiri Baraka(1934- 2014) was a poet, playwright, University teacher and cultural critic who burst onto the American scene with an off-Broadway play The Dutchman- a searing look at racial tensions in a NYC subway. He was writing at that time under the name LeRoi Jones. After the assassination of Malcolm X in 1965, Baraka changed his name from LeRoi Jones to Amiri Baraka. In subsequent years he headed a Harlem Renaissance movement bringing together scholars, artists, and students in his search for the expression of the American Black experience. In essays written in the 1960's he spoke of the effects the assassinations of JFK, RFK, MLK had on him and his change of view about what constitutes a classless society because of them. A native of Newark, New Jersey he was offered the first appointment as the State’s Poet Laureate in 2002, a term of two years with a stipend of $10,000 and, following the attacks of 9/11, he published his poem Somebody Blew up America. Some facts: George Bush said, mistakenly, that 130 Israeli nationals died on 9/11, in a speech following the attacks. In a listing of nationalities, official reports include 18 from Colombia, 13 from Ecuador, 24 from Canada, 11 from Germany, 47 from Dominican Republic, 41 from India, 24 from Japan, 28 South Korea, 67 United Kingdom. Possibly as a result of a text message from the Israeli messaging company Odigo, a statistically almost impossible 3 Israelis died in the Twin Towers, and two more on the planes. Israeli Haaretz reported (2004) that "Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen..." Other coincidences are that Bush cousin Jim Pierce was supposed to be at a meeting on the 105th floor of WTC2, but the meeting is moved across the street at the last minute. Also not at work that day in the towers were owner Larry Silverstein, who usually had breakfast at the Windows on the World restaurant, nor his son or daughter, who had offices on the 88th floor of the North Tower. The New York Observer said that the Silverstein children were "running late." One Israeli company in the towers, the Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co., broke its lease and moved out of the WTC 2 weeks before the attacks. Zim is 49% owned by the Israeli government. (On a note of grace within this rubbish:One of the American Jews who died in the towers was Abe Zelmanowitz, an Orthodox Jew who worked as a computer programmer on the 27th floor. He refused to leave the side of his friend, Ed Beyea, a devout Catholic, who was a quadriplegic and confined to a wheelchair). Some responses: In poetry of such scope and density and allusion to real world figures, Baraka's work was reminiscent of the Cantos of Pound or Peter Dale Scott's Minding the Darkness, or Ginsberg's Howl. Such didn't stop the ADL for latching onto 12 words as "anti-semitic" and demanding Baraka's removel as Poet Laureate. The Governor James McGreevey (himself under investigation for campaign finance abuses involving the father of Ken of the Ken & Barbie MidEast Diplomatic Corps), lead the way. In the previous year, the father felon of Ken had brought an Israeli man Gordon Cipel and introduced him to McGreevey. McGreevey promptly hired him as his "Homeland Security" director and after an uproar ( zero experience, a foreign National) the Gov shifted him to another job. Within a year Cipel was preparing to file a sexual harassment lawsuit against McGreevey at the same time investigators were breathing down his neck. In a cringe worthy moment in the history of a State filled with them, McGreevey hauled his wife and his parents on stage for a TV press conference where he announced he wished to live as "a Gay man" and would resign a 60 days. Baraka (unlike the NY Times, say, which "disavowed" and "apologized for" a POLITICAL CARTOON - of a dog faced Netanyahu leading a blind Trump to enlightenment about Israel's violations of International Law. Matter of fact, they stopped ALL political cartoons - buying into the "anti-semitic trope" nonsense. Jonathan Swift wouldn't be able to find work today- with the self righteous Puritans telling everyone else what to do and who hates who. Baraka - to his everlasting credit- told them to go to Hades. The New Jersey legislature then voted to ABOLISH the honor of a Poet Laureate. Years later when asked if he regretted anything from this experience, he said : No — I have regrets that they didn't pay me my money — cheap criminals. I have regrets about that," Baraka said. "But I don't have regrets about writing the poem. Because the poem was true." the poem / the author recital 2009: They say its some terrorist, some barbaric A Rab, in Afghanistan It wasn't our American terrorists It wasn't the Klan or the Skin heads Or the them that blows up n Churches, or reincarnates us on Death Row It wasn't Trent Lott Or David Duke or Giuliani Or Schundler, Helms retiring It wasn't The gonorrhea in costume The white sheet diseases That have murdered black people Terrorized reason and sanity Most of humanity, as they pleases They say (who say?) Who do the saying Who is them paying Who tell the lies Who in disguise Who had the slaves Who got the bux out the Bucks Who got fat from plantations Who genocided Indians Tried to waste the Black nation Who live on Wall Street The first plantation Who cut your nuts off Who rape your ma Who lynched your pa Who got the tar, who got the feathers Who had the match, who set the fires Who killed and hired Who say they God & still be the Devil Who the biggest only Who the most goodest Who do Jesus resemble Who created everything Who the smartest Who the greatest Who the richest Who say you ugly and they the goodlookingest Who define art Who define science Who made the bombs Who made the guns Who bought the slaves, who sold them Who called you them names Who say Dahmer wasn't insane Who? Who? Who? Who stole Puerto Rico Who stole the Indies, the Philipines, Manhattan Australia & The Hebrides Who forced opium on the Chinese Who own them buildings Who got the money Who think you funny Who locked you up Who own the papers Who owned the slave ship Who run the army Who the fake president Who the ruler Who the banker Who? Who? Who? Who own the mine Who twist your mind Who got bread Who need peace Who you think need war Who own the oil Who do no toil Who own the soil Who is not a n Who is so great ain't nobody bigger Who own this city Who own the air Who own the water Who own your crib Who rob and steal and cheat and murder and make lies the truth Who call you uncouth Who live in the biggest house Who do the biggest crime Who go on vacation anytime Who killed the most niggers Who killed the most Jews Who killed the most Italians Who killed the most Irish Who killed the most Africans Who killed the most Japanese Who killed the most Latinos Who? Who? Who? Who own the ocean Who own the airplanes Who own the malls Who own television Who own radio Who own what ain't even known to be owned Who own the owners that ain't the real owners Who own the suburbs Who suck the cities Who make the laws Who made Bush president Who believe the confederate flag need to be flying Who talk about democracy and be lying Who the Beast in Revelations Who 666 Who know who decide Jesus get crucified Who the Devil on the real side Who got rich from Armenian genocide Who the biggest terrorist Who change the bible Who killed the most people Who do the most evil Who don't worry about survival Who have the colonies Who stole the most land Who rule the world Who say they good but only do evil Who the biggest executioner Who? Who? Who? Who own the oil Who want more oil Who told you what you think that later you find out a lie Who? Who? Who? Who found Bin Laden, maybe they Satan Who pay the CIA, Who knew the bomb was gonna blow Who know why the terrorists Learned to fly in Florida, San Diego Who know why Five Israelis was filming the explosion And cracking they sides at the notion Who need fossil fuel when the sun ain't goin' nowhere Who make the credit cards Who get the biggest tax cut Who walked out of the Conference Against Racism Who killed Malcolm, Kennedy & his Brother Who killed Dr King, Who would want such a thing? Are they linked to the murder of Lincoln? Who invaded Grenada Who made money from apartheid Who keep the Irish a colony Who overthrow Chile and Nicaragua later Who killed David Sibeko, Chris Hani, the same ones who killed Biko, Cabral, Neruda, Allende, Che Guevara, Sandino, Who killed Kabila, the ones who wasted Lumumba, Mondlane, Betty Shabazz, Die, Princess Di, Ralph Featherstone, Little Bobby Who locked up Mandela, Dhoruba, Geronimo, Assata, Mumia, Garvey, Dashiell Hammett, Alphaeus Hutton Who killed Huey Newton, Fred Hampton, Medgar Evers, Mikey Smith, Walter Rodney, Was it the ones who tried to poison Fidel Who tried to keep the Vietnamese Oppressed Who put a price on Lenin's head Who put the Jews in ovens, and who helped them do it Who said "America First" and ok'd the yellow stars Who killed Rosa Luxembourg, Liebneckt Who murdered the Rosenbergs And all the good people iced, tortured, assassinated, vanished Who got rich from Algeria, Libya, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, Saudi, Kuwait, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Palestine, Who cut off peoples hands in the Congo Who invented Aids Who put the germs In the Indians' blankets Who thought up "The Trail of Tears" Who blew up the Maine & started the Spanish American War Who got Sharon back in Power Who backed Batista, Hitler, Bilbo, Chiang kai Chek Who decided Affirmative Action had to go Reconstruction, The New Deal, The New Frontier, The Great Society, Who do Tom Ass Clarence Work for Who doo doo come out the Colon's mouth Who know what kind of Skeeza is a Condoleeza Who pay Connelly to be a wooden negro Who give Genius Awards to Homo Locus Subsidere Who overthrew Nkrumah, Bishop, Who poison Robeson, who try to put DuBois in Jail Who frame Rap Jamil al Amin, Who frame the Rosenbergs, Garvey, The Scottsboro Boys, The Hollywood Ten Who set the Reichstag Fire Who knew the World Trade Center was gonna get bombed Who told 4000 Israeli workers at the Twin Towers To stay home that day Why did Sharon stay away? Who? Who? Who? Explosion of Owl the newspaper say The devil face cd be seen ho make money from war Who make dough from fear and lies Who want the world like it is Who want the world to be ruled by imperialism and national oppression and terror violence, and hunger and poverty. Who is the ruler of Hell? Who is the most powerful Who you know ever Seen God? But everybody seen The Devil Like an Owl exploding In your life in your brain in your self Like an Owl who know the devil All night, all day if you listen, Like an Owl Exploding in fire. We hear the questions rise In terrible flame like the whistle of a crazy dog Like the acid vomit of the fire of Hell Who and Who and WHO who who Whoooo and Whooooooooooooooooooooo! Amiri Baraka "Somebody Blew Up America"
  20. I just used this lovely verb in the thread on the two at the TT
  21. Mr. Payette's dumping on the site and it's contributors is based - one assumes - on his vast knowledge of "how real world conspiracies work." In that case, I guess he'd say that the 9/11 attack was obviously done just as the government said.I mean why not, eh? A 500 billion dollar defense system can't stop a few guys who practiced at flight school. Yeah, "real world" conspirators don't make mistakes or arrange multiple possibilities to confuse. Who would leave ashes for everything but allow a passport to survive? Who would arrange the transfer of ownership of the WTC to a pal of Netanyahu? Better yet, who would take terrorist insurance for "two" incidents? Who would have Urban movers and the dancing Israeli's be seen by so many? Who would notify via instant messages an Israeli company employees that in 2 hours "something" would occur? Who would clean up the site and deny molten steel was present? Who would not treat the site as a crime scene? Who had the steel carted away before it could be examined? Why would a building - which would be the highest structure in most US cities - just free fall all of a sudden? Why for the first time in history did a fire bring down 2 massive steel buildings? I guess the "real world conspirators" wouldn't do such things, so it must be true what they said, right?Who would arrange for Ehud Barak to appear on BBC and state -categorically - within 2 hours, that it was a Muslim terrorist act? Why did the BBC reporter announce the free fall before it happened? Why allow a Bush family member to be part of a group that made money on insider trading based on the demise in shares for the two airlines involved? "Real world conspirators" wouldn't do that, would they? The one "real world" conspiracy that was uncovered was because the pilot was shot down over Nicaragua and he was identified as CIA. Hard to fast talk your way through that one so, you take care of business another way: hearings, convictions and pardons. THAT's the way "real world conspiracies" happen. A gullible public, a biased media, and the abuse of authority covers a lot of mistakes.No amount of bugliosing can change that.
  22. Reading this thread has been mostly new to me. I didn't question the Manson story at the time. Of course, since then I've been exposed to a lot of MKULTRA and Sidney Gottlieb and Assoc. lurid and immoral behavior. When I was reading Alston Chase's book , Harvard and the Unabomber, I started to be able to form intellectually what I couldn't understand. He - Kaczynski - had entered Harvard as a 16 year old product of public High School in working class area of Michigan. He was a bright kid who excelled in math and physics; was withdrawn, but not aggressive and after his first year "volunteered" to be part of a psychology experiment run by a Dr Murray who was funded through MKULTRA. Many times, prisoners, or ill people or enlisted personnel, or handicapped and minority people were used as subjects without their knowledge; this time, it was dressed up in academic garb, and - like Kinsey's studies - used a warped sampling to bombard an individual's brain, with his or her reaction to stress, and the ability to withstand an un-sourced hallucination or how he responds to aggressive and unexplained questioning. Thoughts of poor Frank Olsen come to mind. Ted Kaczynski was subject to these "advances" in science while a teenager and while an outsider among many of his classmates in Cambridge. It felt like a Greek drama - when he was found living in the woods in Montana - because his brother turned him in. For 17 years, every single law enforcement agency was used to try and apprehend him. A huge bounty was offered for information on him. Kaczynski decided to stop his random killings if the NY Times and Wash Post printed his writings on the misuse of the industrial revolution; it got termed his "manifesto" and they published it. No finger prints were ever found, no connections to material or batteries or postal delivery methods. But when his brother and sister-in-law read the work, they contacted the FBI because it "sounded so much like Ted." He got life without parole, but Helms, Gottlieb and crew who created warped minds in an effort to "out fox" the "enemy" and test what defenses are possible in young minds, lived outtheir time in comfort and pensions.
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