Tony Krome

Please clarify, you are implying that your "speaker" has knowledge of what Oswald said.

Yes, the anonymous calls only relate to a rifle that required sighting on Thursday 21st. The Tag only relates to a rifle that wasn't scoped, and was weeks prior. This rifle was freshly mounted and sighted at the time. This eliminates Peggie Jo Ryder as the source of the anonymous calls. Ryder would not divulge a normal every day single rifle sighting to Peggie. What Horton should have looked for on the Monday, was a docket for the sum total of $1.50

By the end of the afternoon of Sunday 24th Nov, two anonymous calls had been made from either different MALE callers or the same MALE caller.. One to WFAA (subsequently passed to the Office of Fritz) and one to the FBI. Fundamentally, the anonymous information is the same, OSWALD, RIFLE SIGHTING, IRVING SPORTS and THURSDAY, 21st NOV. There is no mention of MOUNTS, or mention of EARLY NOVEMBER. Both anonymous calls refer to the known day that OSWALD was in Irving, the 21st Nov. In essence, Horton had the same information, that Detective Fay Turner (Fritz's office) had, before he spoke to Ryder on Monday 25th Nov. This is the important part; Horton meets with Ryder with only the information that Oswald may have had his SCOPED rifle SIGHTED at Irving Sports on the Thursday when Oswald was known to have been close by. Horton knew by then that the TSBD rifle found had a scope, and logically, to get that rifle sighted before targeting someone, made sense. So the meeting with Ryder takes place. Ryder shows him the "Oswald" repair tag, talks about early November, looks at photos etc, all good. Horton leaves and writes up his report. Horton never asked Ryder if a man came into the shop on Thursday 21st Nov to get a rifle sighted. Thursday was only a few days ago, fresh in Ryder's memory. That's the reason Horton went there. Mr. Ryder, did a man, any man, come into the shop to get a rifle sighted on Thursday? The question was never asked. The Thursday man could have been a shooter that weekend, for all Horton knew. Nothing had been officially been determined by that Monday.

What were the specifics of the anonymous tip that Horton had before he spoke to Ryder?

Do you believe Horton was aware of the anonymous tip forwarded to Will Fritz's office on the 24th Nov, before he spoke to Ryder?

Did they name him?

Yes, he found Greener's number; The tip described by Turner was not about a mount, it was about having an "Oswald" "rifle sighted", so I'd expect he would not have delayed calling Greener, especially with his phone number right in front of him. He was asked to investigate, and that's what he did.

What Turner says is that he found Irving Sports, then Belin asks "What did you do?", Turner replies,"Found a man that owned it, Woody Greener" That statement is consistant with directing his phone call to Greener's personal home phone number. Turner stated he called Greener that day (Sunday) or the next day (Monday), He didn't say two days later.

ATTN Tom Scully Thanks for looking regarding the marriage date, but Dial Ryder himself reveals in the very first part of his testimony, that he has been married to Peggie for FIVE years. This is 5 years before March 1964.

pp224 https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/pdf/WH7_Turner.pdf

Not only surprising, but unbelievable. Let me run this past you; F. M. Turner, on Sunday 24th Nov is handed information at the Police Station regarding a tip that Oswald had his rifle sighted over at Irving. He checks the phone book, finds Irving Sports, discovers Greener runs the show, and calls him, either the same day or the next. Greener answers, Turner explains the tip, and Greener says yeah, "they" have seen the photos of Oswald in the papers, and "neither" of them recall doing any work for the man in the shop. Greener said he would check the records. We are talking Sunday 24th or Monday 25th for the Turner call. Of course Turner would be prompt about such a tip, it was fairly big case this JFK hit. So what does Greener do on Monday the 25th Nov? He leaves town of course and ends up over in East Texas. What you think so far?

I can see your point, except I'd imagine Greener, after reading the Nov 28th newspaper report, that the first thing he would have done is contacted his employee, Ryder, for all the juice. That would have been the evening of Nov 28th, the same time when CBS was interviewing Ryder. The Hunter Schmidt call was the next day, 29th Nov. It does stretch the imagination that Ryder did not disclose to Greener about an interview with the FBI at Greener's own shop on the Monday 25th Nov. A closed shop that Ryder had to open up on his day off. And you suggest that Greener forgot? cmon

So we have a wound in the centre of JFK's neck and ragged laceration inside on JFK's right. Thanks.

Here's something more related to the "credible" Hunter Schmidt; Greener stated that he was contacted by a reporter that he suspected was the same reporter that spoke to Ryder and published the Nov 28th story. Hunter Schmidt confirms he phoned Greener on Nov 29th. Now this is where it gets interesting, Greener said that the reporter told him that he spoke to Ryder BEFORE Ryder spoke with the FBI. So I got to thinking. Horton (FBI) has his interview with Ryder showing as Nov 25th. Now, for some reason, Horton states he does not take the "Oswald" repair tag into evidence. He basically says to Ryder, you keep it. If Horton had of received the tag on that Monday, he would have had to officially date the receivership of that evidence. What do you make of that?

What if the FBI did in fact investigate 2511, and found that the Randle phone number had been in use there, before the Randles moved to 2439. Is this the same as not disclosing 2434 as being tied to Dial Ryder?

Thanks, we are getting closer, hopefully we can nail this.

Just so readers can determine which side is the right, was Perry referring to JFK's right?

I have that as vacant at the time of the assassination. It had been previously put up for sale in October 1959.

We gonna need a bigger map! haha

Excellent idea with the map! If we keep that updated, it will help. 1. Can we note on there at 2511, that in 1961, it had the Randle phone number. 2. At 2435, in April 1960, Bruce W. Vickes was there, and worked at the Dallas Times Herald

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Goldstrich; I saw the wound in the lower part of his neck. I looked in the neck wound and saw the cartilage of the trachea on the back side through the hole. I do not remember whether instruments had [yet] been used to expand the wound. I am clear, however, that I saw the posterior aspect of the trachea. It appears from the above that he didn't observe an injury to the posterior aspect of the trachea.

This is from a CBS interview with Dial Ryder on the 28th November 1963 (Thanksgiving Day) at the Irving Sports Shop Dial Rtder reaches for an Argentine Mauser;

Greg, while you were snoozing, I found that Dial Ryder graduated in 1957, and married Peggie Jones in 1959. Does that change your above assessment?

Read all you can find about Charles Greener, Dial Ryder, Hunter Schmidt and F. M. Turner (the cop). There are contradictions galore. I'm trying to figure out who is lying and who is telling the truth.