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On 3/11/2024 at 7:31 AM, Gil Jesus said:
In a January 11, 1964 memo, "For the Members of the Commission", Chief Counsel J. Lee Rankin outlined the areas of the Commission's "work". In this memo, he used the phrases, "Lee Harvey Oswald as the Assassin of President Kennedy", "Evidence Demonstrating Oswald's Guilt", "Evidence Identifying Oswald as the Assassin of President Kennedy", the "Permissable Inferences of Oswald's Murder of Tippit", "Lee Harvey Oswald: Background and Possible Motives" and "Lee H. Oswald as the Assassin".
Keep in mind that this memo naming Oswald as the President's lone assassin, was written almost one month BEFORE the Commission heard its first witness or saw its first piece of evidence.
This was NOT a criminal investigation. This was a collection of evidence against one suspect who had been deemed guilty by his accusers. If this were a court case, you could say that the verdict was in before the trial had even begun.
And there'd be no defense.All true Gil, but note that Nicholas Katzenbach (the acting Attorney General in RFK's immediate absence) wrote out this infamous memo in his own hand on a yellow legal pad during the afternoon of Sunday, November 24, 1963.
It was then typed up by his secretaries the next morning and distributed.
So, as soon as Katzenbach was sure that "Oswald" was dead (around 2:17 pm, Washington D.C. time), Katzenbach got to work, pinning it all on "Oswald" and "Oswald" alone.
Exactly why Katzenbach wrote this on Sunday afternoon is a still unsolved mystery, but we now know he was "encouraged" by Eugene Rostow, the dean of Yale's Law School in conjunction with unnamed others . . .
Here is the typed version of the Katzenbach memo, the absolute proof that the fix was in right from the start:
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=62268#relPageId=29
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2 hours ago, John Kowalski said:
That makes sense, they probably never divorced. When Edwin married Marguerite on May 5, 1945 he became a bigamist.
Which, of course, Ekdahl had to know when he "married" Marguerite on May 5, 1945.
So, why did he do it?
By then, Marguerite was a 38-year-old, twice married woman with three sons, including a six-year old who bore a distinct resemblance to another little boy in NYC.
Whether there was ever any fleeting romantic interest between Ekdahl and Marguerite is irrelevant. The real question is whether that "marriage" was in any way and to any degree at all an intelligence assignment, based on the boys' physical similarities.
I don't know, but I can't think of any other plausible reason why Ekdahl would risk a bigamy charge in Texas, unless he knew he had protection from such a charge.
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1 hour ago, John Kowalski said:
Paul.
Have you know who George and Margaret Paecoast are? According to an FBI document Bentley lived with them in Westport CT for 4 months in 1950. Their address is about 12 miles from where Tina Tippit lived.
The document is on pg. 916 of an FBI Bentley file which is over 2,000 pages.
https://archive.org/details/bentleyelizabethterrillhqandnyc/page/n915/mode/2up?view=theater
No, not yet. I have only made it to July, 1948 in her life so far.
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22 minutes ago, John Kowalski said:
Did research on Ekdahl years ago. Did not find his divorce record. His WWII draft registration card states that he is living with Rasmina at 109 First Ave in Nyak. The draft card is not dated but at the bottom it says D.S.S. Form 1 Revised 4-1-42. He says his age is 46 and was born on September 26, 1895, which suggests that he signed it sometime before his 47th birthday in 1942.
Do not know the name of the woman that he had an affair with but John A in one of his podcasts mentioned that Marguerite caught Ekdahl with a woman.
John,
Since not even the Warren Commission and the FBI could produce a divorce record for Rasmina and Edwin Ekdahl, I suspect it is highly likely that they never officially divorced.
Your research here indicates that as of the spring of 1942 (at least), they were not yet divorced.
Apparently he started with EBASCO in 1943 and somehow met Marguerite thereafter.
I've been hinting that their "courtship" was not necessarily romantic - that (maybe) he was enlisted in some kind assignment, based on the physical similarity between Marguerite's youngest son and a mysterious little refugee boy in NYC.
In any event, I think it is highly likely that the "other woman" with whom Ekdahl was living in 1947 (according to statements dug up by Armstrong) was in fact his "former" wife, Rasmina.
If so, then the bizarre wording on both of their obituaries becomes much more understandable - they really were husband and wife all along.
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18 minutes ago, Matt Cloud said:
Pinning down details surrounding Mary Jane Ekdahl, born 1946, may be helpful. The following is a bit of a mess but she's linked with son Dewey in some way.
Mary Jane Ekdahl, 77. Resides in Wellfleet, MA. Lived InNew City NY, West Nyack NY, Congers NY, Nyack NY. Related ToDewey Ekdahl, Meg Ekdahl. Also known as ...West Nyack NY 10994. Phone: Cell/Mobile/Wireless and ... Maryjane Ekdahl • Mary Jane Ekdahl • Maryjane Jane Ekdahl ... Dewey Ekdahl • Dewey Ekdahl • Mary Armstrong ...Nyack, NY 10960
POSSIBLE OWNERS & RESIDENTS
Mary Ekdahl
Dewey Ekdahl
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"Dewey Ekdahl, art teacher in the Nyack school system. " (1959)
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/162444474/
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Maryjane J Ekdahl New City, NY
Also Known As
: Maryjane Ekdahl • Mary J Ekdahl • Mary Jane Ekdahl • Mary Ekdahl • Meg EkdahlAge
: 77(Jul 1946) ♋ CancerCurrent Address
2 Rella Dr, New City NY 10956 (Nov 2000)Past Addresses
34 Loraine Dr, New City NY 10956 (Oct 2005)410 N Midland Ave, Nyack NY 10960 (May 1991)Po Box 94, Wellfleet MA 02667 (May 2000)84 Chequessett Knolls Dr, Wellfleet MA 02667 (Jun 2000)Lived In: Congers, NY • West Nyack, NY • Nyack, NY • Leland, NC
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Relatives
***"John D. Garrabrant of North Midland Avenue in Upper Nyack, a retired electrician, died Thursday in Nyack Hospital. He was 81. Mr. Garrabrant was born Oct. 22, 1905, to George and Frances Garrabrant in Central Nyack. He was a member of Local 36 of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, New City. Mr. Garrabrant was a member of Rockland Masons Lodge 723, and of the Grace Episcopal Church, Nyack. Survivors include his wife Frances; a son, J.David of Flemington, N.J., a former village trustee in Upper Nyack; a daughter, Mary Jane Ekdahl of West Nyack; and two grandchildren. Services are 10 a.m. Monday at the Grace Episcopal Church, with burial at Oak Hill Cemetery, Nyack."
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/162852836/
Mary Jane Ekdahl from New City, NY
Also known as: Ms Maryjane Ekdahl + 1Age: 77 years oldGender: FemaleBorn: July 11, 1946***The two eventually married in 1945 and moved to Fort Worth, where Ekdahl was now working. The couple stayed together until 1948. Parker notes more oddities about Lee’s enrollment in 2 elementary schools: Ekdahl is listed as his father, but in the blank for mother, no one is listed. (Parker, pp. 117–18). Although the wife thought the husband was having an affair, it was the husband who filed for divorce first. The attorney he hired was Fred Korth, who had an office in close proximity to his own. (Parker, pp. 110, 118) Korth was a lawyer and a banker. He would eventually become Secretary of the Navy in 1962, succeeding John Connally. Both men served at Vice President Johnson’s request. Parker points out something about Korth here that may be more than just passing interest. Though Korth handled Ekdahl’s end of the divorce, the Warren Commission could not find any evidence that Ekdahl had legally divorced his first wife, Rasmina. What makes that even more odd is that Rasmina and Edwin ended up being buried together. (p. 119)Matt,
Mary "Meg" Ekdahl was Dewey Ekdahl's ex-wife.
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Just now, John Kowalski said:
Paul:
She died in Nyak, New York on May 31, 1961.
Thanks, John.
Of course, Nyak was where she and Edwin and their son, Dewey were living together in 1940, and apparently where she remained for the rest of her life. Can you find a divorce record for Edwin and Rasmina?
I can't.
Mighty curious that both Edwin Ekdahl's 1953 obituary and Rasmina Ekdahl's 1961 obituary mention spouses - hers specifically references him! - even though (supposedly) they divorced roughly twenty years before and he (mysteriously) remarried Marguerite in 1945 and then (supposedly) died a twice-divorced man . . .
Again, exactly with whom was 52 year old Edwin fooling around when he was caught by Marguerite and her boys in 1947?
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1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Paul,
Can we find out if there was any relation between Ruth A. Ekdahl of Manhattan and Edwin? Interesting that only a single Ekdahl was listed in the 1946 directory for a place the size of Manhattan. Researcher Brian Doyle, who lived in the area most of his life, just wrote to me and said, “The reference to 207 N Broadway Orangetown is actually 207 N Broadway, Nyack, NY...Orangetown is the township but the name of the town for that residence is "Nyack, NY."
According to Google Maps, the distance from 207 N Broadway in Nyack to 125 Wadsworth Ave., New York, NY is 19.9 miles.
Jim,
Thanks for the clarification about Orangetown Township and Nyack, NY. Either way, Ekdahl, his longtime wife Rosmina (Rasmina?) and their son Dewey lived within 20 miles or so of NYC in 1940.
Close enough.
I don't know of any connection to a"Ruth Ekdahl", but I doubt she was a close relative, if anything at all. Edwin Ekdahl's sister was Elvira Ekdahl (Mrs. Julius E. Larsen) of Newton Center, Massachusetts, although her obituary leaves open the possibility of another sister, Anna Larsen. (Did Edwin Ekdahl have two sisters, and did both of them marry brothers named Larsen? Maybe. But no sign of a "Ruth".)
By 1946, we know Edwin Ekdahl was living with his wife (?) Marguerite in Texas. What role, if any, was played in their courtship (?) by Ekdahl's sister Elvira remains unknown (but intriguing.) We do know that by 1947, Ekdahl had no interest in Marguerite, having taken up with some other (unknown?) woman.
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2 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
From the 1946 Manhattan phone book:
A single entry for Ekdahl, which was,
Edkahl, Ruth A 125 WdswrthAv
Quite a few listings for Blair. Here they are starting with Blair C and going through Blair F. I too think its a long shot that Fred Blair or Carroll Blair or whatever his name was ever had his own residence in NYC. It was expensive even back then.
There is an entry for Louis Weinstock, but he appears to be an MD.
I’ll take a look at another directory this evening or tomorrow, perhaps skipping to 1948.
Jim,
Edwin Ekdahl, his (then?) wife Rosmina and their son Dewey lived at 207 North Broadway, in Orangetown in Rockland County, New York, just northwest of New York City according to the 1940 census.
https://www.ancestry.com/1940-census/usa/New-York/Edwin-A-Ekdahl_639qv
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orangetown,_New_York
Close enough, I'd say.
Note that his 1953 obituary claims that he "leaves his wife and son."
(I cannot find a divorce record from Rosmina. Nor could the FBI, apparently. Rosmina seemingly vanished.)
"Wife".
Hmm. Gotta wonder with whom Ekdahl was fooling around when Marguerite found him with another woman in 1947 . . .
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21 minutes ago, Paul Jolliffe said:
Thanks, Sandy. Found it.
Interesting - clearly the name "Alek" or "Alik" or "Alex" or "Aleksey" or some variation thereof had some special significance to our man "Oswald " for years before November of 1963.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=96527#relPageId=213
Also, at the very bottom of this page there is a really tantalizing handwritten note by some CIA analyst which is very faded, but seems to read thus:
"(2) OSWALD was using the name "Alek" --------------- (really hard to read - very probably "frequently" then missing/deleted/partially erased/redacted word ? before resuming) "his stay in the USSR, but this is the only indication of its use in documentary form."
Did somebody later sort of erase or white out the missing word "before" in that sentence before it was released to the public?
If so, think what it would mean if the CIA had concluded that our "Oswald" was using the name "Alek" before he went to the Soviet Union!
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=96527#relPageId=213
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21 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
Paul,
I found what Simpich wrote on this page:
He doesn't say how he accessed Oswald's 201 file.
Thanks, Sandy. Found it.
Interesting - clearly the name "Alek" or "Alik" or "Alex" or "Aleksey" or some variation thereof had some special significance to our man "Oswald " for years before November of 1963.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=96527#relPageId=213
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11 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Successfully searching for Emil or Grace Gardos in Manhattan 1945 telephone directory:
Unsuccessfully searching for Fred B. Blair in Manhattan 1945 telephone directory:
Will check 1946 through 1949 asap.
Jim,
FWIW, you may recall that John Butler discovered four years ago that Blair's use of "Fred" was a nickname - his birth name was "Carroll", which caused John some confusion until he realized the mistake. I have no idea if Blair ever legally changed his first name to "Fred" or just used it as a suitable alternative to the ambiguous "Carroll".
Anyway, I doubt that Blair was ever listed in a phone book. If he did spend time in NYC in the mid-1940's, he probably temporarily stayed/visited his sister Grace and her communist husband Emil Gardos, their son John (and maybe . . . our little "Oswald"?) at 217 E. 86th Street in Yorkville.
Also, can you check these directories for Louis Weinstock?
(Slight variation: can you check NYC directories to see if Edwin Ekdahl had any NYC addresses at any time in the 1940's?)
Thanks.
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On 3/9/2024 at 5:19 AM, Sandy Larsen said:
According to Bill Simpich:
Oswald called himself “Alec” or “Alik” while in the USSR, and even obtained a hunting license under the name “Aleksey Harvey Oswald”
Source: Oswald 201 File, Volume 24, p. 8
Sandy,
Can you give a little more precise citation from Bill Simpich for this? I can't get a link for the Oswald's "complete" 201 CIA file.
The Warren Commission's Volume XXIV (24) has nothing to do with "Oswald's" use of the names "Alec" or "Alik" either.
Where did Simpich get this?
Thanks.
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51 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:
How about formulating a couple of questions we would like to see answered. Here's a start:
Did Louis Weinstock ever work or associate with Emil Gardos?
Was Weinstock associated with a periodical called "Workers World?"
Did Weinstock know Elizabeth Bentley?
Jim,
According to his obituary in the NYT, Louis Weinstock was the longtime business manager for "The Daily Worker."
According to the FBI's "SOLO" files,
"In conversation with Grace Gardos, a former American who is now residing in Budapest, Hungary, which was held in Prague, Czechoslovakia, during March, 1966, she remarked that no one in Hungary has "any use" for Louis Weinstock. She stated that Weinstock is making himself a real nuisance and is constantly bothering the Hungarian Socialist Workers Party, as well as JANOS KADAR, the party's First Secretary. She also noted that Weinstock has been traveling throughout the socialist countries and . . . former Americans in the countries to which he has been have developed considerable animosity toward him."
https://archive.org/stream/FBI-Operation-Solo/100-HQ-428091-Serial5580-5626_djvu.txt
I don't know (yet) if Bentley and Weinstock ever met in any context.
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17 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Paul,
I’m not sure what to make of the Weinstock reference by the caller, but your question prompted a little internet research. Not sure how much people here already know, but the best source of info I’ve found so far seems to be here:
New York University Library’s Guide to the Louis Weinstock Papers and Photographs
Weinstock and his wife were both Hungarians! The bio indicates: “In the 1960s he served as a business manager for The Worker, a newspaper published by the Communist Party of the United States.” This may, however, have occurred after his radicalization following years of imprisonment in the 1950s. There was no mention of “Workers World” or, of course, “Woman’s World,” but I wouldn’t rule out an earlier association with “Workers World” since, according to the papers held by NYU, from 1930 to 1949 he had some sort of association with “Workers Alliance of America,” which certainly sounds Worker-ish to me. Perhaps this was already established.
Here are some of the NYU Library document collections covering the period of interest:
Workers Alliance of America, 1930-1949, inclusive
Box: 1, Folder: 32 (Material Type: Mixed Materials)Local Union 848, (Weinstock's Home Local), 1940-1949, inclusive
Box: 2, Folder: 18 (Material Type: Mixed Materials)Expulsion from the Painters' Union, 1945-1950 , 1967, inclusive
Box: 2, Folder: 23 (Material Type: Mixed Materials)Lemkin v Weinstock, Rarback v Weinstock, 1945-1946, inclusive
Box: 2, Folder: 22 (Material Type: Mixed Materials)It’s probably a mistake to parse too finely the third-hand (or worse) account in the FBI report, but to me it sounds as if the Weinstock reference was somewhat disconnected from the “Emile Kardos” and brother-in-law statements. Can we thank the FBI for telling us that the caller “said something about Weinstock,” and nothing more specific than “Woman’s World?” My bet is Weinstock, with substantial union organizing efforts in NYC for decades, was probably the best known of the Hungarian leftist/commies discussed here.
And a question for you about Elizabeth Bentley. Does it strike you as normal for someone to go from a dedicated Commie to a dedicated Commie fighter? Would she more likely have been an intel asset all along?
Jim,
Thanks for the info on Louis Weinstock. If someone can get a look at those papers (have they been digitized?) then they would probably give us a clue as to why (Bentley) dropped his name in her call to the Tippit's.
As to Elizabeth Bentley herself, while I hope to have a much more definitive answer in a few weeks, for now I believe she was exactly what the narrative has said she was: a genuine communist in the 1930's who then turned into an FBI informant in 1945.
At present, I have no reason to suspect she was an American intelligence asset in the 1930's.
I anticipate elaborating on this in April.
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18 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Mrs. Jack Tippit (Christina Tippit) was a sophisticated woman. According to an obituary of her John K. found, she was a ”well-loved bon vivant… a fashion model… TV guest star… [and] started her writing career at the age of 19 while still attending Texas Tech University, seeing her comedic pieces published in /The New Yorker/ and performed on /The Tonight Show/, and going on to develop material for performers including Imogene Coca, George Gobel, Hermione Gingold and Virginia Graham. Over her long career, she authored screenplays, television projects and worked on TV’s /As the World Turns/.
I’ll bet this woman was no slouch taking notes and conducting off-the-cuff interviews. When hearing a name that may have sounded like “Emile Kardos,” or anything similar, she might well have asked, “How do you spell that?” Knowing a little bit more about Mrs. Tippit makes it seem all the more urgent to somehow help John K. find those notes!
Jim,
I agree that any surviving notes from that (those?) call/s may be very interesting. But until/unless they surface, we're left to parse out whatever we can from the FBI memo.
Jim, what do you make of (Bentley) specifically naming "Weinstock"? How do you think Louis Weinstock fit into this?
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2 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:
Paul,
I don't know if I buy the idea that the FBI altered the name and the magazine title in order keep the lid on what the document was about. To me it seems more likely that Mrs. Tippit just heard those names incorrectly.
Though I do buy the idea that those reading the document knew who the people and the magazine really were, and so deep-sixed the document.
Fair enough. I doubt we'll ever be certain as to why the name appeared as "Emile Kardos", although it is interesting that there really were two men named "Emil Kardos" in Yorkville at the time. They were a father in his 60's and his son in his 30's. There is no reason to think those men had anything to do with anything related to this.
It seems at least possible to me that someone at the FBI deliberately garbled the name as "Kardos" to put any later investigation off the trail.
But, as I wrote a moment ago, it really doesn't matter much.
We know who the anonymous caller (Bentley) meant: she meant Emil Gardos and Fred Blair.
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29 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:
Beside what you said, Jim, I have to wonder why the woman would name names, and yet not mention the name of the man she was calling about, the (foster) father.
Sandy,
She may have mentioned other names, but we only have the FBI's version of whatever Mrs. Jack D. Tippit told them. (It is at least possible that the FBI omitted from the record other names.)
If John Kowalski is ever successful at unearthing a copy of Tina Tippit Brown's own notes about that call (or calls, apparently), then maybe other names may surface.
Or not.
It's also very plausible that (Bentley) really believed that Gardos and Blair were "Oswald's" Hungarian father and uncle.
(Has anyone ever found a NYC address at anytime for Fred Blair? It is entirely plausible that Blair lived at 217 E. 86th with Grace and Emil Gardos, but left no record. He was probably there, but has anyone found any evidence of his presence in NYC?)
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1 hour ago, Jim Hargrove said:
Paul,
I think the anonymous caller (Elizabeth Bentley, probably) believed that Emil Gardos was Oswald’s father and Fred Blair was his uncle. Your skepticism about this surprises me, so if you’ll bear with me, let’s go over it once more.
The FBI report said, “THE WOMAN SAID SHE KNEW OSWALD-S FATHER AND UNCLE WHO WERE HUNGARIANS AND COMMUNISTS. THE WOMAN CONTINUED THAT OSWALD-S FATHER AND UNCLE HAD LIVED AT SEVENTY SEVENTH AND SECOND AVENUE, YORKVILLE, NYC, THAT WHILE LIVING THERE BOTH WERE UNEMPLOYED, GOT THEIR MONEY FROM COMMUNISTS AND SPENT ALL THERE TIME IN COMMUNIST ACTIVITIES.” She then mentions the name “Emile Kardos” (surely Emil Gardos) and talks about a brother in law (Fred Blair fits perfectly).
Are any of us aware of another Hungarian Communist team of brothers-in-laws active in Yorkville during the era? And note that the caller says “both were unemployed, got their money from communists, and spent all there [sic] time in communist activities.” This fits beautifully with the Milwaukee Journal’s coverage of the Gardos hearing: “But at the trial the government showed that during his entire residence in the United States his sole work was as an organizer and editor for the Communist party.”
Jim,
You and I agree that she surely meant to somehow connect Emil Gardos and Fred Blair) with our little "Oswald." And you and I agree that those men did indeed have some connection to our "Oswald."
But did she necessarily mean they were "family" to "Oswald"?
Probably, but . . .
My only slight hesitation is that in addition to the (Emil Gardos and Fred Blair), she also dropped the name (Louis Weinstock).
We all agree that Weinstock and Gardos were not closely related as far as we can tell at this point. Weinstock does not fit the profile of "uncle".
So, since she (Bentley) did not use the name "Weinstock" in the context of "uncle", can we be 100% certain that she meant to use (Gardos and Blair) in that context?
I guess I agree it is likely, but far from certain, that (Bentley) believed that Gardos and Blair were the custodial "father and uncle" of little "Oswald."
So, to answer your question, yes, it is at least possible to me that there were two other men close to "Oswald' in Yorkville, men with whom (Bentley) interacted and believed to be the "father and uncle" of "Oswald."
(Bentley) probably meant to link (Gardos and Blair) as "Oswald's" "father and uncle", but given the addition of the name "Weinstock", I don't think we can conclude that with certainty yet.
I hope to have a more complete analysis of Bentley's contacts in NYC within a couple of weeks.
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2 hours ago, Geo Kozma said:
Hi Paul, I think I anwed to Jim, but maybe it was in private - in 63 it wa not "cool2 to be pro-communist. the cartoons re all very abstract and exisenciaist - ke a new yorker cartoon...with no politics.
I have sveral times mentioned that in the Jewish Archives 8like jewishgen.com today) even then anyone could find the 300 Oswald families with spouses - and that yes, one such item had a GARDSH spouse. So we know Oswald had jewish relatives - other had Kohn or Klein and Rubin and Weil and Stern and Heller and Neumann Herz Epstein Levin Heine Freund Grünwald Meyer Cardosh and Keller (and a lot - hundreds - of non-Jewish others)
These are public records. I am sure the FBI and CIA knew /as they were surely not lazy to go to a rabbi at the central Jewish Archives to ask about them) as much about Oswald Senior. (Of course there exist thousands of non Jewish Oswalds too..and a Jewish fatherr name with a non jewish mother is not an officially Jewish person.
And each name has thousands of same-name mates - also non-Jewish ones - who are not "family" because originally the names were limited . in order to recognize jews but it got blurred later by Nationalzation - Hungarization, Czechization etc - so the family lines got LOST (except in rabbi families...similar to non-Jewish Aristocrats...)
i also have already shared that the Weisntock FAmily tree has a Gissinger spouse...
Now this is enough for the former boss (A. Dulles) of the young interpreter Kissinger (but since 1958 a celeb strategist at RAnd/Pntagon ) to send an anonymous phone call about the family " relationship" of real commie leaders Gardosh (a KGB asset) and Weinstock - in order to stop and hide this kind of speculations (as due to the abstract Jewish namess they do not lead to real family connections....Not to mention that even real brothers of a criminal may still stay innocent.
and GArdosh worked at the CORVINA press...
I think maybe my non native English may cause my posts simply not to be read.
Or maybe unconsciously we (I am half Jewish so I am "we" in both groups) forget at once if I hear any proofs of Oswald having an "Uncle" in hungary at CORVINA.
No one has asked me - a rabbi assistant in Budapest with a parent who worked at CORVINA - a n y t h i n g at all. Except Paul Jolliffe now, thanks, Paul I think i found this Kaján book in your post on an 2019 note a few weeks ago which has prompted me to come here. (And yes I do exchnge private email messages with some of the members...I was too cautious I think.)
...but i suppose that here everyone has one or two very important new information (as an insight) and they must repeat it again and again (until they get lost like this "Moynihan" guy)
---So now I plan to look back to my previous posts to see if I did or did not say all this till now...(But I did share it to Jim Hargrove and maybe I asked him to keep it from the forum as yet...but yesterday my law expert friend told me I can say anything as these are all publicly documented facts which i am shaing about. )
Which is okay. I just came a few weeks ago. And I am maybe not at the right place. After all I say that the Tippit calle contains public record infos. Not eyewitness infos. And I say that only Dulles and Kissinger had INTEREST to suppress the Tippit Call and similar "infos" that are NOT leading anywhere. (If there are 500 000 Mr SMITHs - or RUBENS etc - you cannot use that as a "lead" in a crime investigation.)
Geo,
Thank you for responding.
However, I doubt that the little refugee boy in Yorkville in New York City in the 1940's had the birth name "Oswald." I believe it would be a remarkable and highly unlikely coincidence if that little refugee boy was named "Oswald" from birth. We don't know what his birth name was, and honestly, neither do you. No one knows.
Jim Hargrove and I (and others) think it is much more likely that the little boy in NYC in the 1940's was given the name "Oswald" when he arrived in the United States sometime in the 1940's because of his physical resemblance to another little boy in Texas who really was named "Lee Harvey Oswald." This Texas LHO had no family or genetic relation to the NYC "Oswald".
You and I agree that the Tippit caller (Elizabeth Bentley) believed there was some connection between Emil Gardos and/or Louis Weinstock and the little NYC boy. She may (MAY) even have believed that Gardos and/or Weinstock was the little NYC boy's genetic "father" or "uncle". (Although please note that she did NOT specifically state that in the call, as far as we can tell.)
We think she was wrong - whatever the relationship between Gardos and/or Weinstock (and/or Fred Blair), we don't have any evidence that either Emil Gardos or Fred Blair or Louis Weinstock was actually the little NYC boy's genetic father. And also please remember that she (Elizabeth Bentley) knew the little boy in the 1940's as "Oswald" - he already had that name when she met him. Otherwise, she never could have been so certain fifteen years later that the man accused of killing the president was the same little boy with whom she briefly interacted back in the 1940's!
We believe that some combination of those men (or one of their close associates) were acting instead as a surrogate or foster father to the little NYC boy for a bit in the 1940's.
In short, we think it likely that some facet of a U.S. Intelligence agency had already noted the physical resemblance between the little NYC boy and the real LHO in Texas, gave him the new name "Oswald", and then placed the little NYC boy with someone in Yorkville (Gardos and/or Blair and/or Weinstock and/or one of their close associates) by the time the anonymous caller (Elizabeth Bentley) in the 1940's met or saw our little NYC boy in the company of at least one of these men.
So, while your work detailing the backgrounds of the names "Gardos" and "Oswald" is fascinating, there is no reason to think that the little boy in NYC really was born into a European family with one of those names.
Again, we don't know who the little boy was, but the fact that Emil Gardos left him behind in NYC, never to see him again when Gardos left for Hungary in the late 1940's is powerful evidence that the little boy was NOT a blood relative of Gardos. (Or Blair.) And we have zero evidence that Louis Weinstock ever interacted in any meaningful way with that little boy, so Weinstock - who did remain in the USA for years - almost certainly was NOT a blood relative of the little boy in NYC either.
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15 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:
John,
Here’s my take. At the end of WW II, U.S. Intel surely realized that Russia would no longer be an uneasy ally but a flat-out enemy. I just looked it up, and Churchill gave his Iron Curtain speech on March 5, 1946. By then, the time had already passed to start upping the U.S. spy game!
Who better to serve as a spy for the U.S. than a Russian-speaking, Commie-spouting kid who could assume an American identity and travel to Russia where he could act like a disgruntled American, but one who could secretly understand all the Russian conversations around him. John A. has written about how Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald was said to have read Communist books and talked readily about Communism early in his life, for example, with Henry Timmer in North Dakota in 1953 and with Palmer McBride and the New Orleans Amateur Astronomy Association members a few years later.
I think a program encompassing two Lee Harvey Oswalds could have started even before the creation of the CIA. As you probably know, there are a surprising number of references in U.S. records to “Harvey Lee Oswald.”
Sandy’s speculation that Oswald might have been taken away from Gardos “during one of his legal battles” had never occurred to me before, but it might have ended that phase of Oswald’s commie education. He might have gotten some more lefty tips earlier in Europe, but that is even more speculative.
On the Maraz school, I know of no evidence that either Oswald ever attended it, although Paul notes that Nelson Delgado said [Harvey] Oswald knew a few words of Yiddish. I spent the first 10 years of my life living in Manhattan, and despite the fact that I’m not Jewish, I learned a few Yiddish words too. It’s hard not to in NYC. Despite all that, perhaps Godless Commies wouldn’t mind at all if someone under their care went to a good Jewish school, especially one dedicated to low-profile exposure of its students.
On your Boston question, John A wrote the following on the Early Years page of our website:
"In September (1945), according to Robert Oswald, the family drove in Ekdahl's car from Dallas to Port Gibson, MS where Robert and John entered the Chamberlain Hunt Military Academy. Robert Oswald told the FBI that his mother, Ekdahl, and LEE then drove to Boston, MA where they resided until June, 1946, but it appears that Robert was mistaken. Records show that LEE Oswald entered the "low first grade" at the Benbrook Common School on October 31, 1945. He was 6 years old and his address was Route 5, Box 567, Benbrook, TX. Young Oswald attended this school for 82 days, was absent 15 days, and his guardian was listed as E. A. Ekdahl."
Please let me know how I can help with your efforts to locate Mrs. Tippit’s notes and/or descendants.
Jim,
After re-reading CE 1874, I am not convinced that Robert was wholly mistaken. I agree with you that Marguerite, Lee and Ekdahl were residing in Benbrook at some point during the 1945/46 school year, but the window from "September" (probably early September - that's when most schools start) to Halloween is at least six weeks.
Whatever the FBI claimed that Robert told them, Robert testified to the Warren Commission that Lee did not start at Benbrook until "early" in 1946. I bet Robert was wrong - Lee probably started the previous Halloween. That's what O.H. Stowe, the county superintendent testified.
OK, but my point still remains:
Whether young Lee started at Benbrook in "early" 1946 or on October 31, 1945 leaves a significant unexplained time gap either way. There definitely was a period between (presumably) early September and the end of October for Marguerite, Lee and Ekdahl to have been in Boston that fall for at least six weeks.
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2 hours ago, John Kowalski said:
Paul:
Have you done any research on the Boston trip? Apparently Ekdahl, Margaret Oswald and Lee when to Boston for 6 months. It is also interesting that Ekdahl's son, Dewey, did not know where his father lived for 3 years, and it was during this time period that the Boston trip was supposed to have taken place.
No I have not. Ekdahl had to be the go-between Marguerite Oswald in Texas and the Deep State connections, but that does not necessarily mean that he himself was a spook (although he might have been.) I simply don't know enough about his life.
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1 hour ago, John Kowalski said:
Why do you want the 1962 edition?
I meant the 1963 edition. Typo.
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58 minutes ago, John Kowalski said:
Ramaz website describes the school as Orthodox. Why would communists send their child and/or Oswald to a religious school?
I'm not so sure it was an Orthodox school back in the 1940's - it may have been, but by 1948, relatively sophisticated parents were sending their kids there. The diplomats to the U.S. from the brand new state of Israel were sending their children to Ramaz. Whatever else those guys were, I doubt the Israelis were sending Orthodox Jews as a major part of their diplomatic corps. That was not the image they wanted to present to the Americans in 1948. Jewish? Yes. Orthodox? No.
I suspected Ramaz may (MAY) have been the school for little John Gardos and maybe our "Oswald" for a bit in the mid-1940's because of its location - it was (and is still) located on 85th just west of 2nd in Yorkville. The Gardos family at 217 E. 86th was just one and a half blocks northeast of the school. It was less than a ten minute walk away.
And, as the school's own website notes (and as I previously highlighted) the school itself was seen by 1938 as a haven for refugee children from Europe.
If our "Oswald" was placed with some foster family (probably Mr. and Mrs. Gardos, but maybe one of their associates in the immediate neighborhood), then the Ramaz School would have been a viable option in the mid-1940's for foster parents, regardless of their religious convictions.
Anyway, religion for committed communists was a matter of convenience - even Stalin himself encouraged Soviet propaganda to appeal to Eastern Orthodox Christians for help against the German invasion during the dark years of WWII. For a guy like Emil Gardos, sending a foster kid like "Oswald" to a nearby school with maybe some religious overtones to it in the 1940's would have been seen as perfectly expedient and not any issue.
After all, the great and good Joseph Stalin himself had recently reversed decades of "communist" policy and approved religious expression!
https://cruxnow.com/church/2016/05/how-even-stalin-once-benefited-from-religious-freedom
(Again, Ramaz on 85th was literally around the corner from the Gardos family on 86th.)
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42 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:
Pure speculation...
Maybe Oswald was removed from the custody of Emil Gardos during one of his legal battles. Maybe when he was deported. FBI didn't know what to do with him, but CIA said hmm, we have some ideas for a Russian speaking kid with no known relatives!
P.S. Jim, great find in that newspaper article, about Gardos never having a job. Perfect match for Oswald's "father" described in the FBI report!
The more I learn about and think about the FBI report, and related information, the more convinced I'm becoming that you guys have explained the FBI report accurately.
The only thing that bugs me about all this is why the boy would have been called Lee Harvey Oswald while he was still being cared for by Gardos. Or, if that wasn't the case, how Elizabeth Bentley knew that the boy was the same person as the later Lee Harvey Oswald.
Sandy,
Great question, one that I have wrestled with for years. The answer, I suppose, is that the apparent physical similarity between Marguerite Oswald's youngest son in Texas (the real Lee Harvey Oswald) and the recent refugee in NYC ("Oswald") had been noticed by someone in the intelligence world before the refugee was placed within the circles of the Gardos couple.
The most likely conduit for such a similarity would be Edwin Ekdahl to his lawyer (the very well connected Fred Korth, Washington power-broker and future Secretary of the Navy) to someone that Korth knew who would want to take advantage of that physical similarity.
The National Security Act of 1947 which established the CIA was not enacted until late July, and we think it is likely that our "Oswald" (the refugee little boy) was already in the custody of "Marguerite" down in Fort Worth by earlier that summer, so that means three things:
1. The Gardos couple (and or Fred Blair and or Louis Weinstock) did not have any meaningful interactions with our little "Oswald" after the summer of 1947, and
2. Elizabeth Bentley knew of the "Oswald"/Yorkville connection before that summer (she became an informant for the FBI beginning in the fall of 1945 and Emil Gardos would have been exactly the kind of target the FBI was interested in), and
3. Whatever the later "Oswald" project would eventually turn out to be, it certainly could not have been fully fleshed out in the mid 1940's when the resemblance between the two boys first came to the attention of men like Allen Dulles. The CIA had not even been created yet!
Someone (Dulles himself?) managed to get the Eastern European refugee little boy placed with a caretaker in Texas not long before Emil Gardos "voluntarily" self-deported to Hungary, along with his wife Grace and their little son, John.
The Anonymous Phone Call to the Tippits of Connecticut
in JFK Assassination Debate
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John,
It wasn't Robert Oswald's wife who had Hungarian ancestry, it was John Edward Pic's wife, Margaret Dorothy Fuhrman. For some unexplained reason, Albert Jenner was very interested in her parents. Jenner targeted John Pic's knowledge of their background with his very first questions . . .
Why?
https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh11/pdf/WH11_Pic.pdf