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  1. Pamela, where do you stand now?  Are you saying there was no through and through bullet hole in the windshield?  Or are you just pointing out that the evidence is fuzzy?

    I'm very convinced that there was, by virtue of citizen witness testimony (definitely not FBI or SS testimony), the Altgens pictures (as well as one picture I've seen when the limo was at Parkland), and analyses by valued researchers. 

     

  2. 8 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:
    On ‎11‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 6:05 AM, Paul Bacon said:

    Thanks Pamela.  Are you able to point me to some online reading where I can learn more about the "lie"?

    Surely you jest...:-)

    No Pamela, I was serious.  I can google it, but I just hoped you'd be able to point to a specific link or two were Whitaker's lying was exposed so I wouldn't have to do a lot of searching about that one topic.  I put the word lie in quotations to indicate that it was specifically what I was looking for rather than putting it in quotes to indicate that I was dubious.

    I thought you might point me to something freely available on the net rather than my needing to buy something, but if your book covers this in detail, I'll buy it :>).  BTW, thank you for responding to my questions.  Most people on this forum have already dug deep into the weeds on all this stuff.  I've done a good deal of reading about a few aspects of this case, but I don't have a well rounded education.

    I always found the evidence for a limousine trip to the Ford plant in the first few days after the assassination very intriguing, but I wasn't aware that it had been debunked.

  3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7A-_eU6vxw

    This is a high-def (6 k) Zap copy.  In the comments section, someone speculates that it's a high-def copy of what's in the National Archives.

    I must've downloaded it from YouTube, because I have this copy in my JFK files.

    Also in the comments section, posted 6 mos. ago, someone noticed the same thing you did Craig:

    Dale Lee6 months ago (edited)

    Between frames 483 - 485, if you keep your eyes fixed at the top of the grassy knoll fence about 6 feet from corner of the fence towards the triple underpass, you can clearly see the back of a man’s head duck down behind the fence as the limo reaches the triple underpass. I found that if I dragged the video cursor back a few seconds from the end of the film in order to repeat viewing this section of the film multiple times, it becomes easier to see this person’s movement behind the fence. In older versions of the Zapruder film, it was impossible to see this person’s movement due to the level of darkness that existed in this area of the film’s previous lower quality versions. It would great if someone could isolate this section of the film, zoom in on it, and set up a loop in order to possibly reveal more detail.
     
    Can someone create a .gif of the frames in question from this copy?  Are you able to Craig?
  4. Thanks, Kirk, for that thorough review!

    I had to laugh though:

    4 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:

    Every step of Hillary's career has been calculated to the nth degree to allow as little spontaneity and leave as little to chance as possible. That's what I can't stand about her.

    This is exactly why I voted for her --both times :>)  She's brilliant at it!  And there isn't a politician alive who is any different.  And, since I agree with her stated values, I want her in my tent pissing out.

    I don't think that total transparency is even possible for a politician in these polarized times.  It leaves too much grist for the spin mills.  I had hoped that Obama would be different, but he was faced with a reality he had to deal with.

    For me, Hillary's consummate, calculating mind would have been overwhelmingly preferable to what we have now!

  5. 10 hours ago, Bob Ness said:
    11 hours ago, Jeff Carter said:

    Why shouldn’t the Trump transition team have been concerned about Obama’s12/16 announcement? It initiated an unprecedented expression of hostility to the Russian Federation, based on unproven allegations, and would have the potential effect of damaging policy initiatives campaigned on by the President-elect.

    Because the behavior of the Russians was an unprecedented attack on our country? Maybe that is what everyone was so concerned about? But Trump and his campaign and transition team were attempting to reward them? Jeez. Jeff I don't see why you defend this. It laughable - you sound like Putin et al are bunch school girls being treated so unfairly - it's an outrage!

    Besides which, I don't remember Trump ever having any public policy initiatives toward Russia during the election.  At that time, he was denying he had any relationship to Russia.

  6. 17 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

    Let me ask a rhetorical question:  Would Russia Gate have happened if HRC won the election?

    Obviously not.

    With due respect Mr. Di I disagree with your answer.  Russian meddling would surely be investigated.  Remember, Trump was warned that Russia was trying to make contact with his campaign.  All evidence of Russian meddling would have been thoroughly investigated.   And it would have turned up the same info.  The investigation wouldn't have been impeded by all the stonewalling and lying.

  7. 3 hours ago, Paul Jolliffe said:

    Simple - "Oswald" didn't actually go to Hardy's Shoes on 11/22/63! It was a stranger, someone unknown to Brewer, not "Oswald."

    So the conspiracy plan was to "find" Oswald in the Texas Theatre.  They needed the DPD to have a reason to look for him there.  Was it "Lee" Oswald's job to go into Hardy"s Shoes looking panicked, suspicious and afraid in order to lead "someone" (J. Brewer, or J. Brewer via T. Rowe) in the shoe store to the theatre and to call the police?  Is this what you're getting at?

  8. 12 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said:

    How many different ways can your narrative fall apart? 

    BREAKING: #SDF Commander thanks

    "for his tireless efforts that stopped the brutal Turkish attack" Gen Mazloum Abdi also says US promised "long term support at various spheres"

    This is good.  I think I see a trend.  Let's continue the hostilities via Twitter. 

  9. 2 hours ago, David Andrews said:

    1:17:37 in Rush, "Ah, several that I could probably name..." and following, where the upper-crust accent drops because she's asked a direct question about crime.  Also the "mixed drinks" section afterward. 

    It's an act.  She has her hooks in Hamilton by now, and has to elevate herself above the run of Ruby's girls.  It's a hooker trick.

    I think I see what you're referring to.  She says "Up to a point they was probably witnesses, after that I suppose they didn’t care."  The wrong verb tense.  Makes her come across as "uneducated".  Living in NH, as I do, I hear it all the time.  But, I think, the "putting on airs" affect is the result of the Mass. accent.  But, you could be right.  Sadly, I never knew many hookers :D.

  10. 14 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

    Thanks for posting this David. I guess Lane didn’t question her about the gun running meeting. I don’t know how credible her story is, but I don’t have the same reaction you do to the Lane segment. Her accent is New England, where I think she hailed from. 

    You're right Paul.  She has a heavy-ish Massachusetts accent.  I'm guessing she was born in MA, as I was.  It's not really as thick as many from MA, though.  Nor is mine--generally, the more schooling, the less the accent.

    David, I don't see her slipping in and out--the accent is consistent throughout.  She's a little nervous, as were many of Mark Lane's interviewees.  I think Mark's formal manner and the general format of the interviews created a bit of an artificial setting that made the interviewees self-conscious.

    Sorry for the hi-jacking....

  11. 11 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:

    Whitaker worked at the Rouge and had no connection to SS100X.  He may have heard Vaughn Ferguson, who was with SS100X after the assassination, talk about his experiences when Ferguson came to Dearborn.  I cover this in my ebook Midnight Blue to Black:  https://www.amazon.com/Midnight-Blue-Black-Presidential-Assassination-ebook/dp/B07KRW1B5L/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=midnight+blue+to+black+pamela+brown&qid=1571539977&sr=8-3

    Pamela, are you saying Whitaker lied to Doug Weldon?

  12. 3 hours ago, David Josephs said:

    This may help...  the oVal representing his head is facing correctly at z313...   all depends on which shots you’re referring to... see the original West Plat below...

    And remember what Altgens said... final shot was only 15 feet from him.. that would be the 2nd yellow curb, not the one by Moorman and Hill

    730632934_southknollshots-smaller.thumb.jpg.3fffaf638a8586f229e83fb978b2df67.jpg5a85e3f5d3a52_CE585showsshots2and3withz313inbetweenandthedisappearnceofshot3.thumb.jpg.61dbb59825566f844b157d74790fe97d.jpg

    So, David, you'd be pretty sure that the head shot we see in the Zapruder film came from the direction of the South Knoll, correct?  It certainly looks like that to me.

    Just to add another thought to what you're saying to Ron, in the instant before the explosive head shot, JFK's face was pushed down and forward by an almost simultaneous shot from the rear.  This would have made the entrance of the head shot bullet higher on the forehead than it otherwise would have been, but still consistent with a shot from the South Knoll.

  13. 2 hours ago, David Andrews said:

    I know it, Paul - but as I said, operationally it would be a big risk to have two Oswalds in one theater with a lot of cops charging around, many unwitting of the plot.  I guess it was a big-risk day, especially if one believes that an Oswald was to be killed in the theater while resisting arrest.

    Everything about the conspiracy was very audacious.  I'm thinking the conspirators were very confident that they could control the narrative, especially with the unsophisticated Dallas cops and the "respect" for higher authority that was prevalent in those days , but I take your point. 

    2 hours ago, David Andrews said:

    Hell, maybe it was "Kill either one - we don't care."  But would that not have crossed the balcony Oswald's mind?

    It was probably important to kill "classic" Oswald (thank you Jim Hargrove).  They spent so much time setting him up to take the fall for a good reason.  As for Lee Oswald, he'd been hanging out with the likes of Frank Sturgis, et. al.  And, from my reading, was a man full of hubris and arrogance.  He may have felt quite confident in his usefulness, particularly after having killed Tippit with Westbrook.

    2 hours ago, David Andrews said:

    Also - if we believe one Oswald went to the theater to give the other the pistol, then we have to believe that the two were aware of each other and had met at least once before.  In that case, why the business of the torn dollar bills and the orchestra-seat Oswald searching for an unknown contact in the dark, if he'd already collected the pistol from his double?

    It was an interesting idea that Lee's job was to get the pistol to Harvey, but, for me, it's easier to believe that it was Westbrook's task to plant the pistol as John Armstrong suggests.

  14. 20 hours ago, David Andrews said:

    Thanks.  What is to be made of the witnesses who say two men killed Tippit?

    I'm new to the forum and I know you've been at this for a long time, but have you, by chance, read this: http://harveyandlee.net/Tippit/Tippit.html?  It'll tell you what John Armstrong's ideas about it are.

    Just my 2 cents, but I was quite wowed by it.  For me, it answered all kinds of questions I had about what went down with the Tippit killing.  I read it slowly, while imagining how it fit with the greater conspiracy.  Personally, after reading it, I was even more dismayed at the depth of the malevolence in the whole conspiracy--sadder but wiser.

  15. Just a small observation here.

    In Mercer's statement (Julia Ann Mercer-1) dated 1/16/68, she said her statement to the FBI was altered.  No surprise there.  Additional evidence of an altered statement is shown within the statement.  The FBI has her saying that the truck was parked on the right side of Elm Street, but later has her saying the man who took the rifle out of the back of the pickup "...then proceeded to walk across the street and up the grassy hill..."

    Someone got it wrong...

     

  16. 19 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:

    Mark,

    I don't want to hijack this thread, I'll just briefly point out in the upper right-hand corner, just before the camera jiggle(notice the right side film edge) the flash that occurs.

    This occurs after the extant z313 head shot seen on Z.

    I pointed this out in another topic long ago.

    Watch the slowing limo and Jackie's hand in concurrence with this.

     

     

     

     

     

    I never saw this before.  Is Jackie snatching her hand back from JFK's head just after that flash? 

  17. 7 hours ago, Robert Card said:

    I used to give out Rise of the Fourth Reich as a gift to friends and family that wanted to go deeper into the study of the Nutwork.  It's a basic start, it covers complex subjects briefly, and it's all true, but you can go much, much further down the rabbit hole.   So far in fact, that it might be better to not go there, as I will be leaving this world a sad, and bitter man.   The world doesn't have to be this way, and they're being too harsh on us slaves living on a tax plantation.   The poverty here in Colombia is something the average North American cannot comprehend.  There was one man in my lifetime that knew who the Nutwork was and tried to stop them, and his name was President John F Kennedy.  You haven't heard any other President giving a Secret Societies speech, have you?

    On the other hand, a person can make a damn nice living in the options markets if they know 'the plan.'  It's tax-free income, too.   The problem is everywhere you look you'll see the deviousness of the Nutwork, whether it's a weather weapon named Dorian, a pedophile worth $600 million, 700 metric tons of the Queens' coke shipped out of Colombia, or some crybaby elites that lost a court case involving extracting oil out of Brazil, and now are burning the place down.

    Be careful with how many of those books you read, it may make you sick someday.

     

     

    I know Robert.  It's depressing, very depressing.  I agree with you.

    We did have a chance with John Kennedy.  We can hope for another chance, by way of another president with similar personal courage (FWIW, my money's on Elizabeth Warren).  But one thing, to me, is sure: enough Americans will have to continue to pay very close attention, after the election to the machinations of those vested interests trying to continue "business as usual".  What I'm trying to say, is that it's going to take more than a leader with immense personal courage to turn this ship around.  It's going to take courage from everyday Americans as well. 

  18. I think the pictures are taken inside the Secret Service garage.

    My memory is fuzzy, but Harrison Livingstone in his book High Treason goes into the provenance of the limousine and the windshield and how the bullet hole evidence was negated.  And Doug Horne covers the subject thoroughly and credibly.  Within the first few days after the assassination, the vehicle was sent (flown?) to Detroit.  There was a witness there who confirmed the windshield had a through and through bullet hole right where you see it in the Altgens photo.

    As I said, my memory is fuzzy about who covered this info, but the story is the same. 

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