Paul Bacon

A minor correction: the original film was intercepted in Chicago and taken directly to NPIC. It was after that Saturday night episode, after everyone saw what was in the film, that it was then taken to Hawkeye Works and subsequently brought back to NPIC on Sunday night in an altered form.

The difference between us is that you start with the premise that the Z film is original and unaltered and I start with the premise that it has been altered, and we both work from our own position. I've been studying the issues around the Z film for decades, with my own eyes, my own instincts, my own intelligence and and my own reason. Whenever someone posits something peculiar about the Z film, I apply my own tests. I am not automatically swayed. And I don't need to convince anyone. As of now, there is no definitive proof either way. And no one, of any serious nature, is claiming they have proof. What many are doing, is speculating. I applaud the speculation because it often reveals previously unknown data. This is a work in progress. You seem to take the position that anyone who feels the Z film has been altered are nut jobs. They are not. Most are intelligent, reasoned, and open minded, seeking to find the truth. Your demand that people provide proof is jumping the gun. We're not there yet.

I don't think anyone in this thread disputes that Jeremy. What this spitballing is doing is trying to rectify what the Z film shows with eyewitness testimony and Parkland observations. Once a potential alteration idea is formed, then it gets subject to all the tests you're talking about. You're jumping the gun.

I understand. Thank you.

This is fascinating Chris. Do you think, using the method you've described, it would have been an easier thing to pull off if the Z film was being taken at 48 fps?

Of course not Ben. What has happened, as you know, no one predicted. This is a "one day at a time" predicament for everyone. We have no idea what's going on behind the scenes, but I don't believe Biden has dictated a policy from which we will never veer. This is in flux and a delicate balance. I'm not the only one who thinks Biden has played a bad hand very well. I too have felt the anger and dispear at the carnage that has happened. Now imagine the carnage if this becomes NATO v. Russia. Those maps we see would become tens of millions. The Russian people already think Ukraine, backed by the US, has attacked Russia. How would they act when they felt attacked by the whole of NATO? Again, this is a delicate balancing act.

I've been thinking that same thing for a while now.

Charles and Joe Brehm and the "babushka lady" are uphill of Jean and Mary in the Z film. They are downhill of Jean and Mary in the Bond photo. What's the likelyhood that total strangers would move together to a downhill position in a few seconds? Unless I'm missing something, the photos show two different groups of people. Ergo, the lady in blue is not the lady in tan. Someone correct me, please.

Thanks Jim. So, if he wasn't running the show in Dallas, he was most probably running the show at Bethesda. I've just been curious about all the tweeks and adjustments that were made in Dallas after JFK was killed--mostly having to do with the Tippet case, but DPD actions as well.

This may be a dumb question, but do you think he was in Dallas? Was he actually running the operation from wherever he was? Is this what the big mystery of where LeMay was, is all about?

Right. Thanks Sandy

Nice! I'm going to try this line on my wife...

But her back, from her rear end to the top of her head, is much flatter in the Nix frame than the Z frame. Is this an illusion too?

There's no need to "advise" Ukrainians to fight. The US is as suprised as everybody else at the Ukrainian will to fight. In my opinion the peace that may eventually come from non-escalation is far, far greater than anything that would be possible with direct confrontation. Either way, it comes with a very high cost.

Got it. Thank you!

Very interesting! Does Doug Horne's fear of arrest mean he has knowledge of still classified information? Why would he be arrested?

I completely agree with this and have thought so for a couple of years. I believe Mantik and Horne do too.

Joe, I got the booster (moderna) at the begining of December. Four days later I started feeling poorly and I left work--that was a Friday. Over the weekend I looked for a Covid test because I began to have suspicions--none were available. Monday I noticed I didn't have the sense of taste or smell, so I called my doctor and was immediately scheduled for a PCR test at the local hospital. Four hours later, I was told that I was positive for Covid. I ended up thinking I may have contracted it when I went for my booster--how ironic!! So, yes, it's quite possible that you've contracted Covid. Do get a test! Your symptoms sound like the disease and not a side effect.

Very well. :>)

Don't forget to take into account the great possibility that this coming mid-term will see a republican sweep of congress. Imagine what will happen in the U.S. And then see how likely civil war may be.

Very good Ben. Progress. The first step is usually surrender. Now, over the course of the next few months or year, look at some of the stuff William posted and consider it. In due time, you'll find "something fishy" and you'll smell a rat.

Two quick points Ben. 1. Thermite is used to bring buildings down all the time. In this case, it was nanothermite, 10 times more explosive. 2. The presence of thermite at all, in all the samples, is very "suspicious". Put this together with other evidence, like 135 FDNY members' testimony about explosions, molten steel pooling for days in what used to be the foundation, and NIST's failure to look at all the evidence, and you have a mounting narrative. Just like in the Kennedy case...

Do some reading Ben. You can start with this: https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf. The stuff can be sprayed or painted on. If I had more time, I'd find a link to information about all the contracting work being done in the Towers in the many weeks prior to the incineration.

You're not alone Matt. I saw a researcher make that very same point yesterday on MSNBC. It makes complete sense to me. It was a bit of a relief to me because it meant that I wasn't going to have to leave my trailer, go out into the cold dressed in rags, carrying only a musket and a long knife, eating dried berries from dormant bushes. I live in a trailer park where there are loads of Trumpers, but most of them are my age and so--harmless.

Thanks for posting this Doug. Jefferson Morley is a terrific writer. Counterpunch needs some proofreaders :>).