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Paul Bacon

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  1. 2 hours ago, Andrej Stancak said:

    Late edit: I hope people can spot the staggering similarity between Lee Oswald's posture in BYP and Prayer Man's posture (with right foot on the second step and carrying all the body weight and the right leg slightly bent in the knee joint).  

    I noticed that myself.  Striking similarity!

  2. 16 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:

    Some people have a harder time accepting the fact that this subterfuge didn’t end on November 20 with Yates and the hitch-hiking episode.  John A. makes a strong case that it continued right through the assassination of JFK, the Tippit murder,  and the arrest of both Oswalds in the Texas Theater.

    White shirted Oswald was a very busy man the day of the assassination!  I have no problem believing his movements that day were all part of the plan.

    What tipped me off regarding the idea that the men on the 6th floor were not worried about being noticed, was the description of some of the witnesses regarding the movement on the 6th floor --"fiddling with the rifle scope", "sitting astride the window ledge", "seemingly relaxed" (to the extent that the witness assumed he was part of security).  Either these men were security, or they weren't worried about being noticed!  And we know they were not security.

    I had a thought the other day, Jim, regarding the use of the passenger elevator for escape.  The two men wouldn't, necessarily, have had to use the elevator to access the 6th floor.  They could have been pre-planted on the 7th floor or on the rooftop (maybe in that little shack on the roof) very early in the work day (or even the night before).  They then made use of the passenger elevator for escape.

    Still though, I'm wondering if Baker's earliest testimony about accosting a man on the 3rd or 4th floor, indicates that it was "Lee" alone who used the passenger elevator for escape.  It strikes me that it would have been more imperative to get "Lee" out of the building un-noticed, although it would have been important to get both men off the 6th floor immediately.

    In the end, though, it's all speculation.  The testimony of the movements of people in the building after the final head shot are, to use Bart Kamps expression, a cluster fuggazie.

  3. 21 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

    John B....

    I was planning to let this thread go, but couldn’t help but wonder if anyone here thinks the dark complexioned man seen by Ruby Henderson, Johnny Powell and others on the 6th floor of the TSBD just before the assassination could be the same dark complexioned driver of the Nash Rambler seen by others on Elm.... Just asking....



    Just my 2 cents worth of speculation, that is what I am thinking.  Richard Carr saw what he thought was the man on the 6th floor get into a Nash Rambler.  My assumption has been that he was the guy who ended up driving down Elm St. and picking up "Lee" Oswald (after having circled around from Record St.)  I am a big fan of John Armstrong's theory of "two" Oswalds.  And further, I think that maybe "Lee", on the 6th floor, was positioning himself to allow witnesses the chance to notice him as a further effort to incriminate the patsy.

  4. 19 minutes ago, Jim Hargrove said:


    Yes, unfortunately we don't know much about the wiring.  As a builder, though, John A. was pretty certain that when the second, third, and fourth floors were remodeled as offices and new wiring was installed, there would most likely by an entirely new panel built for the new circuits.  There are at least two electrical boxes on the first floor of the TSBD.

    As a builder myself, I think it's highly likely that the elevator systems were on separate circuits.  This would mean that the passenger elevator could be controlled via the breakers without disconnecting power to the freight elevator system.  Additionally, the passenger circuit may have included power to some of Hines' office fixtures.

  5. And, I suppose we have no idea whether the freight elevators and the passenger elevators were on separate circuits?  It strikes me that having both elevator systems on the same circuit would make for an easily overloaded circuit.

    Just a thought...

  6. Andrej,

    I'm sorry but I never found it.  Looking again at my post, I can see how it sounds as if I was looking through it, but I meant to indicate I was looking for it.  I hit a lot of pages, but this is a page that gave me ideas of where to look.


    About a fifth of the way down, it shows the cover of the book.

  7. I just joined the forum, but I've been lurking here for many years.  FWIW.

    This morning I spent a little time looking for the Fifth edition of ASME  Standard A17.1, Safety Code for Elevators and Escalators.  The 1955 version is probably the applicable version in our case.  I was looking for any rules governing the "escape" hatch security.  I've not found anything definitive, but I have a feeling that hatch security was not made a serious issue until later when a major revamping of the code took place in 1980's.  Elevator surfing had become a thing.  Before then the hatches were, I'm thinking, accessible from the inside and secured by wing nuts or some type of other hardware.  It was, back then, thought of an escape hatch.  So, I don't think we should write off the idea of easy access to the top of the cab via the ceiling hatch.

    To pose another question, did that passenger elevator go all the way into the basement, possibly?  Then escape could be made up the basement stairs to the first floor.  Was there a bulkhead in the basement that was accessible to the outside of the building...?

    And finally, I just wanted to offer an observation regarding the electricity in the building being being turned off, then back on.  The Tom Dillard photo that was taken 15 seconds after the last gunshot showed a figure in the western most 6th floor window.  Above the head of the figure and in the background, is a ceiling light that was on.  So the power was restored by then.

  8. I live in New Hampshire and I survive through my own business as a Building Renovation contractor.  I went to the University of New Hampshire and graduated with a BA in Theatre and Communications.  That is why I'm a contractor ;).

    John Kennedy was killed 4 days before my 11th birthday and I vividly remember the sadness that I, and my family, felt for a long time afterwards.

    My interest in the details surrounding the assassination became obsessive after seeing Oliver Stone's movie JFK.  I obtained copies of 'Best Evidence' and 'Crossfire'.  The two books had me hooked and I continued to read books until I had access to the internet.  I've been a long time lurker at the Education Forum. I now have, as a result, a good grasp on the "who, how, and why".  I am amazed at how much of my early understanding has been fleshed out over the years by postings on the Ed Forum.

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