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  1. I think it's all about how much of this evidence can be put into the "certain" category as opposed to the "possible" or "probable" categories. It is quite noticeable how many witnesses reported smelling gunpowder, including those in the motorcade such as BJ Martin, Dearie Cabell, and Ralph Yarborough. Curiously Earle V. Brown was over 100 yards away from Dealey Plaza towards the Stemmons Freeway, and he also reported the smell. This very wide range of people in different locations does make me wonder whether whether it was actually the smell of smoke or gunpowder, or whether it was just a psychological reaction to the sound of gunfire mixed with real ambient smells (e.g. vehicle exhausts). With the lack of independent or objective proof either way it's hard to be certain, so I would put the smell of gunsmoke into the "possible" category. In terms of the reports of visible smoke in the knoll area it's slightly different as it's much more specific. Several people refer to it in the same location so I do feel there was something in the air floating around, but was it related to a gun? Unless someone was using a musket or a cannon I suspect not. The "smoke" may have been related to the explosion we see in the Zapruder film at Z313, with vapour and debris in the air, or possibly vehicle exhaust fumes drifting towards the knoll as they all roared away (the wind was blowing that day so airborne particles would have moved around). It's hard to be certain of the exact cause, but yes, I'm sure something real did indeed stimulate so many identical witness reports so I say this is "certain", but the actual cause of the airborne material is somewhat moot.
  2. As far as I know Calvery was never interviewed and never gave any more details. It's a great pity as she could well have given more info regarding the bushes she was referring to. I agree, the major failure was the lack of a proper investigation immediately following the events as that would have conclusively proven whether Oswald acted alone or had assistance. Along with the awful autopsy I don't see how anyone can now prove with certainty what really happened as the full truth of the crime scene was never properly established in 1963. Without that information, all theories will struggle to be promoted to "fact", including the lone nut theory.
  3. I think this woman was Gloria Calvery. She was described by JM Smith as "in hysterics", and mentioned specifically by Billy Lovelady: Mr. LOVELADY. I thought it was firecrackers or somebody celebrating the arrival of the President. It didn’t occur to me at first what had happened until this Gloria came running up to us and told us the President had been shot. Mr. BALL. Who was this girl? Mr. LOVELADY. Gloria Calvary. 6H338 - https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/pdf/WH6_Lovelady.pdf This was corroborated by Bill Shelley who said she was crying which matches the "hysterics" description: Mr. SHELLEY. Gloria Calvary from South-Western Publishing Co. ran back up there crying and said “The President has been shot” and Billy Lovelady and myself took off across the street to that little, old island and we stopped there for a minute. 6H329 - https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/pdf/WH6_Shelley.pdf This brief meeting of these few witnesses is featured in my animation and the timings seem to neatly tie everything together on the Elm Street extension where JM Smith, Lovelady, and Bill Shelley seemed to go when they were all seen in the Couch film within 30 seconds of the last shot being fired. This is a very troubling account, and with Weitzman also mentioning Secret Service people this is very odd. The only Secret Service agent I know of in Dealey Plaza was Forrest Sorrels but he went to the hospital first. He didn't return the Dealey Plaza until about 20 minutes after the shots were fired: Mr. STERN. Just a minute. How much time do you think elapsed from the time the shots were fired until the time you returned to the Book Depository? Mr. SORRELS. I don’t believe it could have been over about 20 minutes, because we went to the hospital just as fast as we possibly could, and I wasn’t there very long. And we came back as fast as we could. Of course we didn’t get back as fast as we went out there, because traffic was moving. 7H347 - https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/pdf/WH7_Sorrels.pdf
  4. Yes indeed, I take all evidence at face value until it can be proven wrong, and in the meantime I simply point out any conflicts, discrepancies, or ambiguities I have found. I have published a complete list of over 400 witnesses with analysis, and referenced every film and photo in the public domain, so it's not fair to say I have ignored anything. I have been saying for over two years that the current "lone nut theory" with a missed shot at Z160 or before belongs in the garbage can, so to suggest I support the official story is wrong. I don't rule out a three shot scenario involving Lee Harvey Oswald, but the missed shot must have been fired well after the head shot as many witnesses reported this back in 1963. I'm also happy to consider other evidence based theories about the crime scene, so for example I think it's quite possible that two shots were fired in rapid succession during the shooting (thus requiring a second gunman). I accept that by disagreeing with 99% of theories on both sides of the debate I will never be popular, but as I've always said, I do my work without fear or favour (including me correcting my own mistakes when people present evidence or analysis, such as in this very thread).
  5. The timing of the first shot does seem clear thanks to the witnesses, especially those with cameras. Hugh Betzner said he heard the first shot just after he took his photo at Z186. The Zapruder film start shaking and blurring around Z190-Z210. Phil Willis said he heard the shot just before he took his photo at Z202. The other witnesses standing nearby at the intersection, or in the motorcade seem to agree with the timing with no witness unambiguously claiming an earlier shot.
  6. Sure, which merely demonstrates that she was at the interesection when the first shot was fired which I agree with. She never claimed the car stopped at that point though, and the claim of the Mayor's car stopping at that point is your own interpretation. No witness mentions it, and no film or photo shows it. In fact, the Wiegman film directly refutes it as the car is cruising through the intersection at 8-10 MPH just a few seconds after the first shot: Which film, photo, or witness suggests that the car was stopped by the police at the intersection?
  7. Indeed, Cabell's statement matches the animation rather nicely at roughly the time the car stops (Z420-Z450). She mentions seeing the child being thrown to the ground which must have been the Newman family (whose turn is briefly in the Nix film after Z313), and the green dress lady is probably Beatrice Hester. At Z420-Z450 Cabell has a perfect view of both events unfolding: If she was back at the intersection she would have struggled to see all this as her view would have been distracted by the crowd nearby. Here are some Wiegman composites showing the scene including Mr Newman pushing his child to the ground, and the dispersing crowd so Cabell could see Hester falling near the pergola when the car had just stopped:
  8. The Mayor's car didn't stop at the intersection, it stopped well into Elm Street. The Wiegman film shows the Mayors car cruising around the turn and then stopping a few seconds later. The only cars that stopped on the intersection were the camera cars as shown by the Couch and Darnell films. Dearie Cabell referred to the first shot being fired while she was turning on the intersection. Ergo the next two were fired while she was on Elm Street. No films, photos, or witness statements support the notion of the Mayor's car stopping at the intersection.
  9. That is indeed the Presidential limo in the Wiegman frame and is used to triangulate and connect that Wiegman frame to Z447 in the Zapruder film. Sadly there was no film of the Mayor's car stop but we know it happened near Z447 as we see the national press pool car behind it with it's brake lights on indicating that the Mayor's car had stopped or was stopping. We next see the national press pool car in the Bell film (the top image here has it's distinctive rear end on the left hand edge between the sprocket holes): Then the Bell film pans to see Charles Hester duck into the pergola shelter which matches the end of the Wiegman film segment (26 seconds in total, or 15 seconds after Z447, if Wiegman was recording at 24 FPS, or a second or two less if it was 29 FPS). We can deduce therefore than the cars stopped very briefly for a few seconds, and no more, as the cars had both passed the grassy knoll steps well before the Wiegman film ended. The Mayor's car stops for about 4 seconds in the animation, which dovetails perfectly with all of the other action recorded by the films at the time, and even some things that weren't recorded such as Hargis running across the road towards the lamppost. As far as I know there are no loose ends in the animation, and the film evidence matches perfectly with the larger body of witness evidence. Yes, there are the occasional disagreements between witnesses, but overall the continuity of events can be worked out with no sinister loose ends remaining. Dearie Cabell said she was passing the TSBD when the first shot was fired, which fits the animation perfectly if the first shot was fired Z180-Z220. The Zapruder film shows the Mayor's car behind the spectators behind the reflecting pool at exactly Z180 so this part of the sequence is very accurately known. The Wiegman film and the Dorman film prove that the Mayors car didn't stop until it was well down Elm Street and well past the traffic lights as shown in the Z447 Wiegman frame earlier in this thread. The films match each other, and they match Dearie Cabell's testimony. Many parts of this case are unclear or untrustworthy, but this part of the Dealey Plaza sequence is crystal clear and highly reliable thanks to the films and the witnesses.
  10. Here is the map of witnesses reporting one or two shots well after the head shot: Compared to the previous maps, far fewer witnesses are certain they heard shots during this timeframe, although enough are adamant that shots were fired around Z360-Z400 to accept this as corroborated. A few seemed to hear a pair of shots, such as Mary Moorman and Jean Hill who gave very clear interviews on the day explaining that sequence of events. The dataset is too small to spot any clear patterns, although once again Elm Street is the main area of these witnesses. One thing that is very noticeable here is how no witnesses in the Presidential limo, SS follow up car, or VP car actually heard this shot or shots. My view is that this is due to a couple of reasons: A very loud siren was being emitted from the Secret Service follow up car which distracted enough people who were in the immediate vicinity (judging from the map nobody within 30 feet of the siren heard the shot(s)). The stressful nature of events startled many people, especially those who witnessed the head shot which distracted them from the final shot(s) (many bystanders literally turned and ran just after Z313, underlining the horrific nature of the events they had just witnessed). By contrast, those witnesses further away from the siren who weren't terrorised were able to report the final shot(s) in the sequence. The best example of this were those in Camera Car #3 who all reported that the final shot was fired as they began their turn onto Elm Street, so they must have been very close to the TSBD gun and well away from the siren or the chaos unfolding on Elm Street. In particular Malcolm Couch gave enough detail in his statements to identify where the car was located when he heard the first shot fired around Z190-Z220; the second shot near Z313; and the final shot around Z360-Z400. Thanks to the Hughes film and the Zapruder film we have a very accurate measure of where the camera cars were at those times which makes it fairly easy to convert the witness statements to a timeline of when the shots were fired. Studying the raw data from over 400+ witnesses is a little daunting and rather hard to digest in tabular form, so many thanks to Eddy for suggesting the idea of looking for patterns on the map regarding the double bangs and witness locations as I think it makes it easier to understand the very complex crime scene.
  11. In the Wiegman frame, the hard top car just about to pass Hargis is the VP SS follow up car. The continuity and synchronization of this works perfectly in the animation. The animation frame you quoted was from Z368, but the Wiegman frame was over 4 seconds later at Z447 which is why the cars had all moved down Elm Street a little bit more. The Mayor's car didn't stop for more than a few seconds, but the longer delay came thanks to the camera cars which were very sluggish to get away as several cameramen got out of the cars and took films and photos before returning to their cars. The Wiegman frame is a little blurry due to Wiegman running fast down Elm Street so I wouldn't worry too much about some of the odd visual artefacts and lack of sharp detail.
  12. Here is the map of witnesses reporting one or two shots in the vicinity of Z313: Compared to the first shot(s) circa Z225, there are far more witnesses who heard double bangs. Just like with the first map, the main group of witnesses who heard this double bang were situated on Elm Street or the bridge over Elm Street (almost a straight line from the TSBD or Dal-Tex buildings to the bridge I would say). A handful in the Houston and Main Street area heard a double bang, but not many. The final piece of this work will be the much smaller group of people who heard a shot or shots well after Z330, which I hope to complete by the end of the weekend.
  13. The general pattern of the vehicles would be the same: each of the cars would have decelerated into the turn, and then accelerated out of the turn at a certain point. However, the exact speed going in, out, and the point of acceleration would vary from car to car. The exact point you referenced for the Presidential limo and the camera car is indeed the same at about 8-9 MPH, but other cars like the VP car and it's SS follow up seem to be a little quicker at 9-10 MPH. It's not a big difference, and both seem reasonable guides for what the other cars must have done. With the Mayor's car being directly behind the VP SS follow up travelling at 9-10 MPH, that must also be a reasonable speed for the Mayor's car as the driver would have been looking very closely ahead as the car in front accelerated away. Sadly, with no other cameras recording this area at the same time we can't really be certain of the exact speed of the Mayor's car at all points on the bend. The only certainty is that we see where the Mayor's car is at Z180 in the Zapruder film, and also Z447 in the Wiegman film about 14.6 seconds later. In the animation the computer program decelerates the car at Z180, and starts accelerating it soon after such that we don't see it in the Altgens 6 photo at Z255, and it's then in the right place to be stopped at Z447. By slowing down the car during Z180-Z280, you will necessarily speed it up later in that sequence towards Z447 (unreasonably pushing it over 15 MPH), or it creates a timing gap in the Zapruder film.
  14. Eddy, I managed to map the witnesses reporting the first shot noises circa Z180-Z240 here: Of the 400+ witnesses I studied, about 100 of them can be pinned down to hearing a shot in this rough timeframe thanks to them mentioning JFK reacting or the positions of the cars. The witnesses who reported two shots around this time are in purple squares, with a single shot being yellow. There aren't many double bangs, but there is one main cluster, with the centre of this being the Presidential limo (as identified by the large ellipse). The other two minor areas are the bridge, and also the two cameramen Nix and Bronson on or near Main Street. The most obvious pattern here is that about 90% of witnesses heard a single shot at the beginning of the shooting which means 90% of the witnesses don't accept the modern lone nut theory which requires an extra missed shot at Z160 or before. Even in the 10% part, most say that the two shots were on top of each other with barely any time between them, which as far as I'm concerned consigns the very early missed shot theory to the trash can as it requires 3-5 seconds between those shots. Over the weekend I will do the timeframe around Z313, which has dozens of witnesses reporting a double bang.
  15. Yes, I had the Mayor's car moving slightly faster in that part of the bend than the Presidential limo. This is partly due to the speed constraints later due to the Mayor's car probably being at a standstill by Z447: This drags up the speed somewhat after the start of the Wiegman film, followed by a short braking operation as they saw the chaos unfolding ahead. In version 2.3 I have him peaking at about 13 MPH followed by him stopping at Z430. With no film depicting this timeline it's rather tricky to be certain, but stopping the Mayor's car at Z410, Z430, or Z450 would change the speed, as well as the tightening of the vehicle cornering you mentioned earlier (which seems quite reasonable, although difficult to know with certainty due to the lack of clear films of that area at that time). There is a trade off between speed and the line taken around the corner, as the tighter the turn the less distance is travelled, but also the slower the car must be travelling. The bikes had the same issue, with the inner bikes being near 5 MPH, and the outer ones being near 10 MPH.
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