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Steve Roe

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  1. Yes, that's right Karl. Sirhan had admitted his guilt. The "I don't remember" ploy Sirhan has been playing over the years is pure baloney.
  2. You're exactly right David. Sirhan has never shown remorse for his murder of RFK.
  3. Larry Crafard did not shoot Tippit, he was in the Carousel Club. See "Armstrong Exhibit 5310-G" Warren Commission, Volume XIX: Armstrong Ex 5310 A-G - Copies of various FBI reports of interviews of Andrew Armstrong. (history-matters.com)
  4. Did Greg Stone mention Sirhan firing blanks, Mr. DiEugenio? No, he would have laughed that off, and rightfully so. So, did Sirhan fire blanks?
  5. Oh, so Lowenstein destroyed the Kranz report.....really? showDoc.html (maryferrell.org)
  6. In regards to the RFK assassination, I do not believe or subscribe to a conspiracy. Studying the facts over the years, it was Sirhan and Sirhan alone that gunned down the Senator. I do not believe in the Manchurian Candidate fantasy. Also I do not dispute Noguchi's autopsy findings of a near "point blank" shot to the head, behind his right ear. Despite all the reports of Sirhan being some distance away, it was clear that he lunged toward RFK and fired the shots. By accounts I have read, that was the first shot (head). Not Thane Eugene Cesar, who had a .38 service revolver. If it was Cesar, then why didn't they jump him? Does that make sense? I prefer to read and study the actual reports, first hand to form my opinion. I am not swayed by the many books on RFK's murder promoting conspiracy. I do not have a closed mind, because I have examined many of these claims and they prove to be false, misleading and/or under-researched. You stated this: "MHO opinion the assassinations of the 1960’s should be looked at as a collective, not as individual unfortunate happenings. Look for patterns, not coincidences." Response: I strongly disagree with that statement. You cannot assume every murder, in this case, political assassinations are part of a conspiratorial pattern. That's absurd. Each case should be studied individually, examining the facts, the evidence and testimony of witnesses. That's my opinion.
  7. Yes, I have the Kindle version of Lisa Pease's book, "A lie too big to fail". No, it's not a new revelation of other shooters. Of course Thane Eugene Cesar is the most well known. But what Pease does is expand her fantasy to other shooters. Here's a direct quote from page 289 (Kindle Version) of her book. Knowing Sirhan was going to be firing blanks, other conspirators simply had to wait until Sirhan fired his first shot. Then, while everyone else in the pantry froze in shock and fear, assassins moved quickly to get the job done. This scenario fits all the known evidence. Sirhan was like a magician’s assistant, providing the distraction by firing blanks. All eyes went to his gun, leaving the actual assassins to do their job. The actual shooters could have used suppressors and kept their weapons well hidden, perhaps in rolled-up posters or under a newspaper or a busboy’s towel. With several people firing at once, it became impossible to tell how many shots are fired. That explains why the shots sounded like firecrackers to such a large number of witnesses. Pease, Lisa. A Lie Too Big to Fail (p. 289). Feral House. Kindle Edition. Does this sound credible? The book is chock full of "what ifs" and her speculation which are absurd in relevance to the facts.
  8. Statistical impossibility, huh? I see you believe the conspiracy nonsense. I will link this document for you and others to read. It's lengthy and no doubt there will be people who do not want to take the time to read and study. It's a primary document, not a conspiracy book by someone expressing their opinion. For background, a Special Council was appointed in 1975 by the Los Angeles Board of Supervisors to independently investigate the murder of Robert Kennedy. His name was Thomas Kranz, and he reviewed trial documents, evidence, witness interviews, etc. In short, a very thorough investigation. As I stated before, reading Kranz's investigation report requires concentration and attention to the detail. You will not find this exhaustive investigation in any of the various RFK conspiracy books, such as the sham book written by Lisa Pease. As most of you know, Lisa Pease believes Sirhan shot blanks out of his eight-cylinder Iver-Johnson .22 revolver. I've asked Mr. DiEugenio if he believes this, and he refuses to address the question, even though he reviewed Ms. Pease's transcript and highly praised the book. Here's the Kranz report https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=99873#relPageId=14&search=sirhan_bullets
  9. There's some crass remarks being made here about the Kennedy family. I would like to remind you that it was their father, not yours, that died because of Sirhan. RFK Jr. has a history of nutty conspiracy theories, including the Covid Vaccine aimed at Afro-Americans. And there is more..... The rest of the immediate Kennedy family don't buy into nutty conspiracy theories, so they are not gutless, in denial, ad nauseum. Just because you buy into this fantasy about Sirhan being innocent of anything.......you can't selfishly demand they do. Think about what you are saying.
  10. So Mr. DiEugenio, did Sirhan really fire blanks from his .22 Iver-Johnson revolver, as your close associate, Lisa Pease has repeatedly said?
  11. Mr. McBride, as of today I see nothing that Kathleen Kennedy Townsend supported RFK Jr. and Douglas Kennedy's recommendation that Sirhan be paroled. Maybe you have a source that I am not aware of. I do acknowledge that Kathleen Kennedy Townsend has supported RFK Jr.'s call for a "Re-Investigation" in the 15th Parole hearing, not a Parole Release.
  12. Ron, so what was Sirhan doing there with his .22 Iver-Johnson revolver? Firing Blanks in the air?
  13. In addition to Kerry Kennedy, the eldest son of RFK, Joseph Kennedy has voiced his disgust with the Parole Board's recent ruling. Now it will go to the larger Parole Board, and then ultimately to Governor Gavin Newsom. You can bet your bottom dollar they will fight this. I support their efforts to get this overturned. I am confident Sirhan will remain, where he should be, in prison for the rest of his life. Assassin's parole recommendation condemned by Kennedy's daughter (newsnationnow.com)
  14. Jonathan, sadly it never ends. As you can see, some people will never accept anything and go to extreme depths of absurdity to confirm their emotional beliefs.
  15. Yes, Marina admitted burning another picture with the rifle. Here is Marguerite's WC testimony about seeing that photo, which Marina had hidden in her shoe, folded up. There's no fakery going on with the backyard photos, that's been debunked decades ago. Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, sir--the 22d, Friday, the 22d.I am worried because Lee hasn't had an attorney. And I am talking about that, and Mrs. Paine said, "Oh, don't worry about that. I am a member of the Civil Liberties Union, and Lee will have an attorney, I can assure you."I said to myself but when? Of course, I didn't want to push her, argue with her. But the point was if she was a member of the Union, why didn't she see Lee had an attorney then. So I wasn't too happy about that.Now, gentlemen, this is some very important facts.My daughter-in-law spoke to Mrs. Paine in Russian, "Mamma." she says. So she takes me into the bedroom and closes the door. She said, "Mamma, I show you." She opened the closet, and in the closet was a lot of books and papers. And she came out with a picture a picture of Lee, with a gun.It said, "To my daughter June"-written in English.I said, "Oh, Marina, police." I didn't think anything of the picture.Now, you must understand that I don't know what is going on on television--I came from the jailhouse and everything, so I don't know all the circumstances, what evidence they had against my son by this time. I had no way of knowing. But I say to my daughter, "To my daughter. June." anybody can own a rifle, to go hunting. You yourself probably have a rifle. So I am not connecting this with the assassination--"To my daughter, June." Because I would immediately say, and I remember--I think my son is all agent all the time no one is going to be foolish enough if they mean to assassinate the President, or even murder someone to take a picture of themselves with that rifle, and leave that there for evidence.So, I didn't think a thing about it. And it says "To my daughter, June." I said, "The police," meaning that if the police got that, they would use that against my son, which would be a natural way to think.She says, "You take, Mamma."'"Yes, Mamma, you take."I said, "No, Marina. Put back in the book." So she put the picture back in the book. Which book it was, I do not know.So the next day, when we are at the courthouse this is on Saturday-she--we were sitting down, waiting to see Lee. She puts her shoe down, she says, "Mamma, picture." She had the picture folded up in her shoe.Now, I did not see that it was the picture. but I know that it was, because she told me it was, and I could see it was folded up. It wasn't open for me to see. I said, "Marina." Just like that. So Robert came along and he says, 146 "Robert" I said, "No, no Marina." I didn't want her to tell Robert about the picture. Right there, you know. That was about the picture.Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever tell her to destroy the picture?Mrs. OSWALD. No. Now, I have to go into this. I want to tell you about destroying the picture.Now, that was in Mrs. Paine's home.I want to start to remember--because when we leave Mrs. Paine's home, we go into another phase, where the picture comes in again. So I have to tell the--unless you want to ask me specific questions.Mr. RANKIN. No, you go right ahead.Mrs. OSWALD. Mrs. Paine, in front of me, gave Marina $10. Now, Mrs. Paine, when I said, after the representatives left--I said, "You know, I do want to get paid for the story, because I am destitute, and here is a girl with--her husband is going to be in jail, we will need money for attorneys, with two babies."She said, "You don't have to worry about Marina. Marina will always have a home with me, because Marina helps."Now, Mrs. Paine speaks Russian fluently. "She helps me with my Russian language. She babysits for me and helps me with the housework, and you never have to worry about Marina. She will always have a home with me."Now, Mr. and Mrs. Paine are separated. Mr. Paine does not live here. So it is just the two women.So, Mrs. Paine didn't graciously do anything for Marina, as the paper stated--that Lee never did pay Mrs. Paine for room or board. Mrs. Paine owes them money. That is almost the kind of work that I do, or the airline stewardesses do, serve food and everything. Marina was earning her keep, and really should have had a salary for it--what I am trying to say, gentlemen, Mrs. Paine had Marina there to help babysit with the children, with her children-if she wanted to go running around and everything.So actually she wasn't doing my son or Marina the favor that she claims she was doing.But the point I am trying to stress is that she did tell me Marina would never have to worry, because Marina would have a home with her.At this particular moment, I cannot remember anything of importance in the house. Otherwise, about the picture I have stated. And Mrs. Paine with the Life representative, and her saying that Lee would have an attorney, and Mrs. Paine giving Marina a $10 bill.Oh, Marina told me, "Mamma, I have this money." It was money in an envelope--in the bedroom, when she showed me the picture. I said, "How much money, Marina.""About how much?" I asked her."About $100 and some."Now, Mrs. Paine has stated to the Life representative that Lee and Marina were saving his pay in order to have a home for themselves for Christmas time, because they had never been in a home of their own at Christmas time in order to celebrate Christmas. So, the hundred and some odd dollars isn't a big sum, considering that Lee paid $8 a week room in Dallas--and it has been stated by the landlady that Lee ate lunchmeat or fruit. And Lee was very, very thin when I saw him. And Lee gave his salary to his wife in order to save to have this home for Christmas.So, that is not a lot of money to have in the house I would not think so, because I believe Lee was earning about $50 a week. And let's say he could live for about $10 or $12. And he gave the rest of the money to his wife.And so I reported this money to the Secret Service while we were in Six Flags--that Marina had the money. I wanted them to know. She showed me the money.I cannot think now-I did think of the money after going back--but I cannot think of anything at this particular moment that would be of any benefit that happened in this house.Mr. RANKIN. In regard to the photograph, I will show you some photographs. Maybe you can tell me whether they are the ones that you are referring to. Here is Commission's Exhibit 134.Mrs. OSWALD. No, sir, that is not the picture. 147 Mr. RANKIN. And 133, consists of two different pictures.Mrs. OSWALD. No, sir, that is not the picture. He was holding the rifle and it said, "To my daughter, June, with love." He was holding the rifle up.Mr. RANKIN. By holding it up, you mean----Mrs. OSWALD. Like this.Mr. RANKIN. Crosswise, with both hands on the rifle?Mrs. OSWALD. With both hands on the rifle.Mr. RANKIN. Above his head?Mrs. OSWALD. That is right.
  16. The topic of this thread is the backyard photos. That's what I am addressing here. No need to sidetrack the conversation over to Parkland doctors.
  17. There's some incredible pretzel logic going on here with these backyard photos. Apparently some people want to reject the following: 1. The HSCA photo panel of experts (not Jack White or armchair internet jockeys) authenticated the photos as real. 2. FBI Shaneyfelt matched the irregular edge markings from Oswald's camera to an original negative. 3. Yes, there was one or two NEGATIVES found in Oswald's possessions. Did your secret conspirators leave that in there as well? Explain that, please. 4. Marina admitted taking them. 5. George DeM. had one (133-A). Well isn't that interesting, the secret Ninja Conspirators gave one to George. Wow! 6. The HSCA photo panel examined the ORIGINAL PHOTOS AND NEGATIVE to come to their conclusion they were real, not faked. 7. Oswald's own mother, Marguerite admitted under oath that she saw one that Marina burned. Now why would she do that? 8. Somehow these secret conspirators knew where Oswald was living at Neely street, way back in April 1963! Wow, amazing stuff. Somehow they secretly went over there and snapped photos, but couldn't get the leaning pose down right! Of course the simple answer is they were real, not faked. If you want to wrap yourself into a pretzel trying to explain all this away......go right ahead. Your armchair photoshopping of Oswald's pictures will never be believable. Frankly all this is laughable. When you ignore the evidence, the sky's the limit. You can make up anything.
  18. Thank you Mr. Cohen for injecting common sense back into this argument. If I recall right, a backyard photo negative was found in Oswald's possessions. And of course, George DeMorenschidlt had a copy of one of the BYP's. The backyard photos are real, never faked. Some people just can't accept the facts.
  19. Still debating whether the backyard photos were faked? The HSCA PROVED they were not. The grain pattern in the head is the exact same pattern in the rest of the photos. Still people reject this? Marina still admits taking those photos. Time to move on and accept it. They were real and NEVER faked.
  20. Why debate? I am getting specific about certain claims that are provably false, or just speculation. The Martinsburg, Penn "Silver Slipper" and the claim that it was connected to the "Silver Slipper" in Eunice, La should be exposed as nothing but mindless speculation. It was the Silver Slipper in Las Vegas. There are people out there that might believe swallow this myth whole. You may call that a dismissive attitude, I call it setting the record straight. It is a silly theory.
  21. I have no idea what you are talking about? Alias? Johnites????
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