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Larry, my correspondence with you on the rifle strap mounts, you said you would show Brian Edwards that article. If you did, want did he say?

Ben, yes everyone knows you believe there was a bullet switcheroo. I asked your writing partner, Tom, if he believed in the bullet swap out. He refused to give a direct answer. He's hedging, not committed to saying the CE573 was not the Walker bullet. Seems you guys have a big problem here, if you both can't agree whether or not CE573 was planted or swapped out. Ben, who do we believe here? You or Tom? Why can't you guys get on the same page? Anyone reading this article will firmly get the impression that dark sinister forces swapped out the bullet. That's the message.

Mr. DiEugenio, you may want to ask Larry Schnapf about this as he recently had some doubts about the rifle D-Mount straps theory by Mr. Edwards.

Ok, noted. Thank you, Tom.

Tom let's set the record straight. Do you actually believe that CE573 is a switcheroo bullet? I'm assuming you agree with everything said in that article as proof. Ben said it was a switcheroo, do you? I'm not going to argue your article on EF, but only seeking for clarification on your position before I address this "article" later. I don't want to misquote or put words in your mouth. State your position clearly whether or not CE573 was, or was not, the bullet found in the Walker home. Thank you.

Sorry Jonathan, arrest records are not proof here on EF. To the rest of people living in reality, they are. Stop being logical, it doesn't work here on EF.

Reading through all that, all your disagreements with Myers and other stuff, you never reached any conclusion whether or not Oswald shot Tippit. Did I get that right?

Mr. Griffith, simple question. Did Lee Harvey Oswald murder Patrolman Tippit?

Lots of problems and mistakes with your post. Here's one of the most glaring. Volkmar Schmidt never worked full time for General Walker. Schmidt worked as a Petrologist for the Magnolia Oil (Socony Mobil). Schmidt despised General Walker.

You don't know if the bullet was switched out? Isn't this a little silly Tom? It's either the real one or a substituted fake. You and Ben go through a whole bunch of excuses why CE573 wasn't authenticated, shown under oath, etc. Sounds like to me you really believe it's a switcheroo because it doesn't hold up to your standards. Walker saw the bullet; he never said it was a fake. In fact, nobody did. The bullet was in the City-County Crime lab for those dates. The FBI checked the log with that Lab at Parkland.....never been checked out by anyone Tom. So why don't you explain the logic behind why a bullet would be switched out, tampered with way before the assassination and before the DPD had any knowledge of Oswald? A competent defense attorney would not challenge that bullet in evidence before a criminal judge. There's plenty of evidence on the movement of the bullet, initials, paperwork, police logs. You guys go ahead and question everything to your hearts' content, I'm sticking with the facts and reality. And that reality is CE573 is the real Walker bullet. Read Keuch's examination of CE573 when Walker wrote all those letters complaining about a "pristine bullet". Let me know if that meets your standards of proof. ADMIN FOLDER-O1: HSCA ADMINISTRATIVE FOLDER, HSC-A TICKLER VOLUME VI (maryferrell.org)

Quite a list of doubts you got there Tom. So, Tom, let's do a gut check. Do you actually believe the DPD or the FBI or a combination of both found a WCC bullet, fired it into some sort of hard surface to mushroom the rounded bullet nose, got everyone who was involved with the Walker shooting, re-initial the bullet? In essence this is what you are saying, the bullet was switched out? Correct?

That's an excellent observation Mark, makes sense. He would have used that raincoat for transporting to and from, why not keep it with the rifle to protect it against the elements.

Well, ok, so you were just speculating that Blakey held up a steel-jacketed pristine bullet. I accept that answer, now that you cleared it up. I went through all the Walker papers I could find regarding this protest of the HSCA hearing, and I could not find anything of Walker saying it was a "steel-jacketed" bullet. He was objecting to a pristine bullet held by Blakey in numerous letters stating it was damaged. This steel jacketed bullet description in the DPD case report was a question posed to Robert Frazier (FBI) by Eisenberg of the Warren Commission. Eisenberg: Is this a jacketed bullet? Frazier: Yes, it is a copper-alloy jacketed bullet having a lead core. Eisenberg: Can you think of any reason why someone might have called this a steel-jacketed bullet? Frazier: No sir; except that some individuals commonly refer to rifle bullets as steel-jacketed bullets, when they actually in fact just have a copper-alloy jacket. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=39#relPageId=447&search=steel_jacketed bullet That is most likely the explanation as the DPD case report states a high-powered rifle, then steel-jacketed bullet.

Mr. Lowe nice trying to make this into another LN vs. CT polarization game. Benjamin Cole wrote an article on DiEugenio's K&K stating he believed Oswald did fire at Walker. https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/walker-oswald-and-the-dog-that-didn-t-bark DiEugenio said this about Ben's article: Benjamin Cole reexamines the “Walker Incident” and offers a better explanation than the one provided in the Warren Report by accounting for all of the anomalies in the evidence and witness accounts. DiEugenio said this in his book: For they were now saying that it was a 6.5 caliber, copper-jacketed bullet. One compatible with the alleged rifle in evidence. Yet, this was not the bullet the police retrieved from Walker’s house that night and Walker had held in his hand. That bullet was a 30.06, steel jacketed bullet.129 As the reader can see, the combination of Ruth Paine with the FBI allowed the Warren Commission to manufacture a case that likely did not exist. As we will see, this will recur. DiEugenio, James. Destiny Betrayed: JFK, Cuba, and the Garrison Case (p. 202). Skyhorse. Kindle Edition. Problem here with Mr. DiEugenio's research is he misleads his readers. He cites (129) the DPD case report on the Walker shooting. Yes, the DPD case report did state the steel jacketed bullet, but nowhere in the case report did it describe the bullet as a 30.06. It clearly states the bullet was of unknown caliber. Lockstep with DiEugenio, Ben Cole states this in his article: But after the Kennedy murder, the DPD sent the steel-jacketed bullet—stated in police reports to be a 30.06 calibre—to the FBI. Again, there is no 30.06 caliber mentioned in the DPD case report from the investigating detectives. This is not the tired old LN vs. CT game: it's about getting the facts straight. Who is holding the baloney sandwich now?

Ben, now your story is changing. You stated that the HSCA did show a steel-jacketed, non-copper gilded bullet. Which I assumed you did see the HSCA video of Blakey holding up that bullet. Now, you say if Blakey held up ungilded steel jacketed bullets on national TV.

Hello Mr. DiEugenio, anyone home? The Walker shooting took place on April 10, 1963. Oswald's rifle was found on 11/22, that's almost 7 months. Rifle cleaning solution? What in the world are you talking about? If it was dirty 7 months ago on the exterior, of course Oswald would have cleaned it. You wipe it off with a damp cloth and if you wanted you can lightly oil the metal, polish the wood stock and run a bristle brush down the barrel. And who said he buried it in the dirt? He could have buried in a brush pile up near the MKT RR tracks.

Ben, so you have seen the actual HSCA tapes of Blakey holding up a steel-jacketed bullet? That's great, I've been on the hunt for that old video. Can you link me and everyone here to that video of Blakey holding the steel jacketed bullet?

Ben, I know you are joking, but seriously there are some "people" in this forum that might believe this "Switcheroo Theory".

All that doesn't matter, that slug is the one in the National Archives, with initials on it. Any speculation why the cops didn't correctly identify it as a copper jacket, is a nil point.

Tom, I can only guess without precision the height of the window strike. Since there are no recorded measurements, the only thing I can offer is CE1007. In that photo, Walker identified himself as the one pointing to the window hit. If that is indeed Walker with the cigarette, in a standing position, it appears to me that height of the window strike was around 5 feet. Just a guess. Walker was 6'3" tall. https://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh18/html/WH_Vol18_0335b.htm

Ben, thanks for bringing this to my attention. I don't believe I fully explained what I meant by "missing by an inch or so". What I meant was the strike on the window sash, not the wall. As you can see another inch down, left or right, would have cleared the sash, and gone through just the screen unencumbered and maybe hitting Walker (who knows). That's what I meant. Regarding the height of the bullet hitting the lathe/plaster wall, Robert Surrey was questioned about that. Mr. JENNER. And plaster and that sort of thing would be quite apparent, would it, to anyone who saw it in his hair? Mr. SURREY. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And you noticed it? Mr. SURREY. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And you noticed him brushing plaster out of his hair? Mr. SURREY. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Now, that leads me to ask you this, Mr. Surrey: That bullet hole is how high from the floor? I am showing you now Commission Exhibit No. 1009. Mr. SURREY. You mean how high is the hole---- Mr. JENNER. From the floor. Mr. SURREY. From the floor? Well, the police went into the next room and so did I, and sighted through the hole in the wall to the window. Mr. JENNER. Yes, sir. Mr. SURREY. And when Walker sat down at his desk, it went right through his head. Mr. JENNER. So he was seated on a chair substantially the height of the one you are seated on? Mr. SURREY. Yes, and he is approximately a little taller than I am. Mr. JENNER. He is a little taller than you are. So that would be about 4, 4 1/2 feet. Tell the Commission the distance from the wall, the point at which you have marked an "X" with a circle, and the place at which General Walker's chair was located. Mr. SURREY. I would say 18 inches. Mr. JENNER. He was that close? Mr. SURREY. To the wall there; yes, sir. Walker was 6'3, so it was probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 4-1/2 feet or a little more where the bullet struck the wall. Commission Exhibit 1014 is a crude diagram made by Robert Surrey of Walker's office, showing the window the shot came through (A), his desk and where he was sitting, and then a dark mark where the bullet crashed through the wall. Of course, it's not to scale, as Surrey estimated Walker was about 18" away from the wall where the bullet hit. Seated in that position it's clear why Walker got the shrapnel wounds to his right arm as the bullet began to splinter the jacket and hit him. Mark Ulrick posted a link about reporters mentioning the wound to the arm, including a 1/2" sliver dug out near his elbow. I verified that article, and it does state those facts (April 14, 1963, Dallas Morning News). Hopefully that gives you a better picture of how it happened. No question in my mind that this wasn't staged, and Oswald was trying to kill Walker. https://aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh18/html/WH_Vol18_0338a.htm

Mark, I had to review that DPD case report again, been a long time since I studied it. But yes, it does say the backyard was on an upgrade in 1963. That is correct. So, my contemporary observation is not correct. But I didn't see it being any big decline or incline either. Yes, you have to take into account of the rifle muzzle to the window frame where the shot hit. I can't say with any certainty if it would be on a straight line, or downward or upward. After studying that case report again, the Detectives determined the nick (or chipped portion) of the lattice fence was near the top of the fence, through one of the 8" wide openings. I'm not sure of the height of the lattice fence, but I would speculate it was 5-6 foot high. That means the shooter (Oswald) was in a standing position when he fired the shot. If the trajectory of the bullet from the fence line was on a downward course, then I can still see it deflecting off the screen frame-window sash on hitting the wall in a downward course. This distance was estimated to be 100-120 feet. Walker called it 40 steps (an old term) which equates to around 100 feet. Using that distance, the sighting of the Ordnance Scope is of no consequence, providing it was sighted in at 100 yards. This gets into speculation land why he missed. My best guess is he felt pressured and may have rushed the shot somewhat. There were the two guys walking around in the LDS parking lot, and he might have noticed or heard them and rushed the shot, even though he used the lattice opening as a gun rest. Walker had his own explanation that through the scope with a lighted room background, he may not have seen the window frame clearly. Can't rule that out either. All in all, Oswald missed by an inch or so. A quick check with a friend of mine that owns the same model Carcano and side mounted scope, says yes, a shooter can see through an 8" opening. In fact, he showed me how the barrel, stock and scope can easily go through a smaller 6" opening. So absolutely his line of sight with the scope would work with the lattice fence opening. I think Oswald carefully planned this out ahead of time, casing the property, taking pictures and planning his escape route. Also, it's possible that Oswald may have been wearing the same dark clothes as in the backyard photos for nighttime concealability. He could have ditched those clothes later before he came home. I haven't seen any mention of those dark clothes in his property lists. Any way you look at it, Oswald was making a fast getaway. He didn't bother to take a few seconds and observe whether or not he hit Walker. And of course, he didn't work the bolt for a second shot, leaving the cartridge in the chamber which suggests to me that he sensed he might have rushed it for fear of being discovered. As far as the tired old "Steel Jacket" bullet controversy goes, it falls apart as the bullet retrieved by the DPD is the same bullet in NARA. I explain all that here: https://steveroeconsulting.wixsite.com/website/post/the-general-walker-bullet-real-or-fake Why the cops described it that way, well some bullets are copper gilded on steel.

Regarding this "downward trajectory" controversy over the years, people overlook the fact that Walker's had his window in the up position (was a warm day), and he was sitting down at his desk. If you look at CE1007 you can see the height of the window as relative to the man pointing to the hole. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh18/html/WH_Vol18_0335b.htm All the times I've been out there to the old Walker home, it appeared to me that there was a slight incline from the alley to the window, not much. The way that bullet hit the bottom of the window frame, I can see why it went on a downward trajectory. That's the way the cops described it in the case report. I have no reason to doubt their observation.

Greg, the color photo of Walker's window comes from the 1993 Frontline series, "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald". That's some 30 years before, so no doubt the damage does look different from the original damage photos. At approximately the 1:03:00 mark in the video shows the color version. Also of interest to you is Coleman's account of the vehicles leaving the area, just after Walker's narrative. The '58 Chevy could have been the car that Walker saw driving off and turning left on Turtle Creek Blvd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cjwKxuie2o

The only thing I can remember her saying was the President had the best doctors attending him. She knew them. Of course, there was nothing to they could do with the nature of his wounds. Parkland was a County Hospital, and many trauma victims (car crashes, stabbings, shootings) were transported there. I remember seeing many ambulances pull off Harry Hines into the Emergency bays, as we would pick her up from work at 11:00 at night. There was another thing she told me, some or one of the nurses working there tending to Governor Connolly after the assassination didn't like him or his attitude. This is all trivial stuff, on my recollections as a kid during that time. It's really not all that important that's why I was reluctant to share it here. I don't have any conspiracy related stories to offer. I do have an original Dallas Times Herald first edition of the assassination that I picked up off our driveway after being released from school around 2:00 on that Friday. The 6FM has my oral history with Stephen Fagin (telephone interview during Covid).