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  1. just as Mr X in the movie JFK said about Dallas  'He could not be allowed to escape alive.'

    those in DC decided Trump - who they never wanted but know cannot be controlled and has large support - could not be allowed a second term and neither he or any other outsider will be allowed to run in the future

    and thus we will never learn the truth about the events of 1963

  2. one thing is for sure with the establishment fully back in charge in DC the world will never find out what happened to JFK, as every theory that exists - lone gunman, cia, mafia, lbj, big oil, right wing, left wing etc etc - all lead back to the establishment and they have not and will not admit the truth of their part in those events in the sixties 

  3. 16 hours ago, Chris Barnard said:

    Hi Mervyn, 

    Fundamentally, you will get no honest verdict in a US courtroom or within the US legal framework, it didn't work the first time or subsequent times, it didn't make it to that place. In my opinion that may be because nobody wants to show that the USA has a 'coup d'etat' on its soil, as two of its most important pieces of security apparatus are at the very least responsible for the cover up. If that was proven in a court room, it's very damaging to the CIA and FBI, public perception would never trust them again. What would then be brought into question would be every subsequent event afterwards and the public would want court cases there too. One of the issues with an enlightened jury, is who you would pick. How would you ensure there would be a fair and honest process to determine a result? Another question is how you'd get a chain or evidence, that left no gaps, you have to be 100% sure as a juror. 

    As many have written; I think the murder happens when multiple parties are disenfranchised with JFK's plans or policies. I would put financial reasons far higher than any personal grudges or ascension to power for prestige. The "7 Days in May" discussion JFK has with friends about whether a coup of possible in the USA is very plausible, from memory he says it would take perhaps 3 Bay of Pigs style events, going against the military or other powerful institutions to create an environment where it was indeed possible. James W Douglass makes a very good case in "JFK & The Unspeakable". He goes through the events during JFK's presidency, that created tremendous friction, doing against advice of powerful departments of government and military industrial complex. I am sure it started with a general, a few east coast old money guys all having a brandy in some exclusive private lounge and passionate dissatisfaction was aired in a room. Someone may have said he needs to go, using a double entendre that could have been construed as to mean not be re-elected, but, it could also mean to be removed another way. It would be said like that to assess the others discontent and how committed they are as supporters. Once a room is unanimous, a plan grows and comes to fruition. It's clear to me that the people likely sat at that table had to be 100% sure no trail would lead back to them. So for me the order comes from financial interests being hurt by resisting wars (rackets) that have a massive return on investment and upset continuity. Their worst case scenario would have been 8 years of JFK undoing corruption and potentially a brother as a successor. Of course, lots can happen which can change the course of history. 

    I think the communist angle is pure subterfuge. The mafia grudge theme is pure deflection and we known because of the attempts to kill Castro that the mafia are assisting or on the payroll of the CIA, as they have a backdoor to Cuba, which gets the close to Castro to assassinate him. So to me, from what I have read, the CIA or part of the CIA planned and executed the killing of JFK, just as they have done multiple times in far flung developing countries with their tools of regime change. I would be very surprised if Allen Dulles wasn't involved in this, I would be surprised if Edward Lansdale wasn't involved but, we can easily swap those figures out for others of similar rank or experience. It doesn't really matter if it was military guys from Fort Benning Georgia or CIA, Corsicans or assassins from one of the CIA camps abroad who did it. The environment of discontent was created via media, via whispers in government and business, and I am sure certain entities were certain there would be no come back or reprisals for them and people lower on the rungs of power were expendable. 

    To prove all that in court and cover all bases, if it was fair, you'd look at years and years of due process, which would cost a fortune. But, to put things in context, given the evidence we have access to now, you couldn't prove Oswald did it either. 

    I feel the June 10 1963 commencement address speech at American University was the final nail in his coffin:

    "I have, therefore, chosen this time and place to discuss a topic on which ignorance too often abounds and the truth too rarely perceived. And that is the most important topic on earth: peace. What kind of peace do I mean and what kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow, and to hope, and to build a better life for their children — not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women — not merely peace in our time but peace in all time." John F Kennedy

    We've had a PAX Americana ever since, with the USA spending more than 10x the budget of any other nation on earth in arms, it has over 1000 overseas bases or military installations, America has absolutely dominated and intervened anywhere, any time its felt like it, particularly when there is an economic benefit. Tax payer picks up the tab, debt is increased and private corporations and banking interests reap the benefits. 

    the plot outlined above is the storyline of the movie Executive Action - 1973 American conspiracy thriller film about the assassination of United States President John F. Kennedy, written by Dalton Trumbo, Mark Lane, and Donald Freed, and directed by David Miller.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Action_(film)

  4. Although there are disputes about the accuracy of bio metrics and facial recognition software and its use in society, I believe it has been established that the main bio metric features of the face ie the dimensions between the eyes, ears, nose, lips, chin and ears stay the same.

    Has anyone made such a study on the photos that have been presented as L.H.O over the years? 

    With regard to the photo in question - is this not a case of 1. a digital copy of 2. an analogue copy of 3. a copy of 4. a blow up of 5. a poor quality original?

    is it not feasible that any alterations were made purely to provide a printable image? 

    Have other readers ever had to work with photocopies of photocopies of original sources and found things do not show up as expected? I have on numerous occasions in my career in education.

    Obviously this is not journalism of a high standard merely a reproduction of another report but this was clearly not a major story at the time and would not warrant using resources to track down a quality image.

  5. Dear Mr Joseph, 

    Thank you for your reply.

    I note and accept that there is a huge amount of 'evidence' sourced by Mr. Armstrong. 

    In the same spirit, is it not also acceptable that there are a number of more feasible explanations to the reports and documents other than the core theory of 2 children chosen to be part of a project that would not have an outcome or be put into operation until years later.

    In the world of espionage fiction, rather the plot of The Day of the Jackal as opposed to the movie Salt.

    If these possibilities could be outlined or even acknowledged in the supporting documentation and websites it would give a more balanced approach to the theories presented.

    As I stated in my previous post, I think the majority would not deny that there is clear evidence of impersonation of L.H.O. However, is it not more feasible that whoever was in charge of any such project would use identity theft methods to provide covers and ID for these people who would have been chosen for their resemblance to L.H.O. at the time of the project rather than gamble that the other young boy resembled him at that time and had not changed his views of the project as he matured. 

    Regarding my thoughts, I will try to be as concise as possible. After some 38 years of interest in this subject and life experience, one of my thoughts is that L.H.O was 'talent spotted' for intelligence work on entry into the Marine Corp, but as he progressed his personality and political views were noted as unsuitable and he was then manipulated. He became the 'useful idiot' and was allowed and enabled to 'defect' in the hope that this would have some impact on the Soviets intelligence gathering, especially re the U2 project. He was unaware of this manipulation and therefore played his part perfectly. The Soviets, as testimony from their officials show, clearly did not 'buy into' this project when they observed and evaluated this young man and thus after his bizarre actions in Moscow, sent him off to the provinces where he would bother no one, whilst they could claim to be treating a troubled individual with humanity.

    L.H.O as per his personality and his later recollections that are on record saw the reality of the Soviet system and returned home. The US authorities and agencies allowed him back as they still saw him as the 'useful idiot'. 

    Meanwhile, from the time L.H.O has been declared as not suitable as a genuine agent by both superpowers, a number of men who bear a resemblance to him pop up in various locations claiming to be L.H.O, each making statements almost in the style of a 'soundbite' on opposing sides of political subjects and opinions; thus clearly setting up a trail of 'evidence' that can be used to implicate him in whatever the ultimate 'plot' may be - ie the project covered all possibilities that existed in any war gaming / strategic planning.

    He could therefore be set up as a patsy for any number of plots.

    It is feasible that a large part of the undoubted 'cover up' after the assassination was to disguise the various intelligence agencies' existing knowledge of their relationships with or activities of L.H.O, their part in his 'defection' and any connection to his activities leading up to assassination.

    Hope this helps.

    Best wishes

    Stephen 

     

     

  6. Dear Mr Hargrove, 

    Thank you for you civil reply.

    I note your directions to citations and locations of 'evidence' collected by Mr. Armstrong.

    I also accept your desire and right to post summaries of the key points of the 'theory', which do have some very strong points.

    However I believe your cause would be be made stronger if it was not presented in such a dogmatic manner, took on board the possibility of alternative explanations and desisted on the somewhat hostile replies made by some poster to those who offer those explanations. 

    Best wishes 

  7. I hope that you receive positive responses to this request.

    If the original films are of full length and can be scanned at high resolution it may provide clarity to at least one of the major theories regarding the movements of L.H.O at the time of the filming.

    However, I do have reservations as why the researcher you mention does not have access to this forum and does not meet the criteria of the archive? 

  8. I wonder what the view of other members and guests are of the numerous threads regarding the Harvey and Lee theory?

    There appears to be a strategy of repeating and rehashing the same points in different threads in an attempt to drive traffic to the Harvey and Lee website, as admitted by Mr. Hargrove in a previous post.

    I find that the tone and nature of the replies to anyone who appears to doubt the veracity of the claims made on the website to be sarcastic, unpleasant and not academic in nature. I would suggest that this undermines not only the claims of the H and L theory supporters, but shows the whole community in a poor light. I would hope that in future the posters could maintain a more dignified and polite approach to the debate.

    In my opinion, it is clear from the record available that L.H.O  was being impersonated in the US whilst he was clearly overseas. However, this does not mean that the H and L theory is correct , as there are a number of explanations that are more feasible, for example identity theft.

    As an Academic Writing professional, it is my view that the writing style, structure, layout and citations contained in the H and L website and the source material from Mr. Armstrong leaves a lot to be desired. It lacks academic discipline and appears to state the hypothesis / plot for a work of fiction and then cherry pick evidence to support it and is not of a standard required for even an undergraduate level student at any English speaking university. 

    I would suggest comparing the H and L site to that of Mr. Bojczuk and make your own evaluation.

    In brief, I would appeal to posters not to be so rude to others, accept the limitations of your evidence and in doing so, not appear to be so dogmatic and paranoid. 

    I believe this would make the debates here more informative and interesting and encourage other to become involved in research and discussion.

     

  9. having over 30 years experience of reading accounts of many of the people who claim to have detailed or peripheral knowledge of the assassination - there are clear patterns -

    they will often change the story, especially when questioned

    have a rambling, incoherent and confusing narrative 

    confuse the reader by bringing in new claims when questioned,

    have 'mental blockages' of certain events,

    claim they will not or cannot name others who can back up or support their story, due to fears for their life or other repercussions

    claim they are not looking to profit from their story but are dealing with researchers ,writers or have websites that make money from traffic,

    refer to other witnesses who are now deceased,

    claim to have been involved in activities that are inappropriate for their position in life or society, etc etc 

    the list goes on and on

    I was thinking over the last few days of how easy this can happen  - and have an example

    My father is 90 years old next week - after national military service in the air force he was a merchant sailor in the 50's and worked quite extensively around the world including North and South America, the Caribbean and Europe.

    I remember him telling me of his time in Cuba and how he thought Batista was a 'bastard' and treated the people very badly

    How easy it would be for me to create a story based on this historical truth - 

    I could claim that on shore leave in Havana that he can remember visiting a hotel / casino seeing people who resembled anyone one of the major players in the case - Oswald, Ruby, Roselli, etc etc -  I could claim that after they realised he was from England had military service, access to a merchant vessel and presumably not a direct threat to them that they got into a drunken conversation in which they detailed the outline of their activities in the murky political world of that time - smuggling, money laundering, drugs, covert military action etc 

    years later when the events in Dallas occurred he remembered that evening but then put it out of his mind and then only told me snippets of information as years went by - but as the interest in the case has grown he told me more and more as he 'remembered' more and more

    as the researcher I have fed him information or directed questions that have embellished the simple story allowing it to strengthen and link it other stories or theories 

    I could then disseminate the story through various sites, and hope to see if anyone will be interested and thus perhaps gain the same exposure as people like JVB, Oliver ,Hemming, Files

    Some might say that this is not possible but if you look at the situation with JVB and her position now in the 'research community' I would claim that it is

  10. have managed to download the parnel q and a pdf

    the answers have the ring of Files, JVB etc  - where their claims are interwoven with details that have been in the public domain for a long time 

    another feature is that they always extend the story into areas that the original claim did not mention   eg Files dealing with the Mafia ..which is probable but then being linked to the CIA through Philips   or JVB linking Oswald to the CIA through the 'cancer plot' to the JFK plot

    Wynne appears to do the same with the introduction of Vicki as having knowledge of the goings on of a CIA plot at the highest levels

    Having taught students of all ages and professions including the police and military I would suggest that the idea that senior intelligence officials would employ teenagers to do anything of consequence in any plot is simply not believable

    as anyone who has actually lived as an adult would surely agree that they are simply not reliable - however skilled they might be with guns as in the case of Files or research as in the case of JVB 

    some of the actions mentioned by both these people - such as Files biting on a bullet and leaving it on the grassy knoll fence or being trusted with missions to deliver 'cancer weapons' are again highly suspect and potential reliabilty issues -..would any serious agent really sign off on this?

  11. no links in this whole thread are available or lead to having to sign in to vimeo

    how is one to ascertain what these claims are?

    and the mention of JVB as supporting evidence surely raises questions

    it is commented that the gentleman does not appear to profit - but any claim surely raises a profile and can lead to interviews, media exposure. potential book and tv deals which can be lucrative 

    could someone post links that actually work?

  12. 11 minutes ago, John Butler said:

    Ray,

    It is in the original film clip at the beginning of this series.  This comparison:

    reenactment-film-frame-maybe-z-002.jpg

    The street signs at the intersection of Elm and Houston are missing in the right hand frame.  In the Zapruder frame they are prominent.  I was asking David if he had any idea why that would be.  Does this film frame come from some time after the 1963 date of Zapruder?

    I'll get back to you after I look at a film clip in Stephen Lavin's new comment.

    John

    looking carefully at the footage '5' and in similar views to the left hand clip one can see what is presumably a large white production truck parked outside the Daltex building

    I think it may have been airbrushed out of this clip which would explain the missing signs and buildings next to the Daltex

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFK_(film)

    'Stone wanted to recreate the Kennedy assassination in Dealey Plaza. His producers had to pay the Dallas City Council a substantial amount of money to hire police to reroute traffic and close streets for three weeks.[30] He only had ten days to shoot all of the footage he needed and so he used seven cameras (two 35 mm and five 16 mm) and 14 film stocks.[29] Getting permission to shoot in the Texas School Book Depository was more difficult. They had to pay $50,000 to put someone in the window from which Oswald was supposed to have shot Kennedy.[30] They were allowed to film in that location only between certain hours with only five people on the floor at one time: the camera crew, an actor and Stone. Co-producer Clayton Townsend has said that the hardest part was getting the permission to restore the building to the way it looked back in 1963. It took five months of negotiation.[30]

    The production spent $4 million to restore Dealey Plaza to 1963 conditions.[31] Stone utilized a variety of film stocks. Richardson said, "It depends whether you want to shoot in 35 or 16 or Super 8. In many cases the lighting has to be different."[32] For certain shots in the film, Stone employed multiple camera crews shooting at once, using five cameras at the same time in different formats. Richardson said of Stone's style of direction, "Oliver disdains convention, he tries to force you into things that are not classic. There's this constant need to stretch."[29] This forced the cinematographer to use lighting in diverse positions and rely very little on classic lighting modes. The shoot lasted 79 days with filming finished five months before the release date.[33]'

    despite this preparation and attention to detail it should be noted that the JFK film scenes in Dealy Plaza where filmed in warmer temperatures and most of the crowd on Elm are wearing spring/summer apparel - which is presumably why the wide shot clip is so short and acts as the missing part of the z film only - the other clips are more focussed on key figures in conspiracy lore - blackdog man, badge man, umbrella man, babooska lady etc

     

  13. There is a detailed history of reconstructions/ reenactments here

    https://jfk007.com/tragedy-restaged/

    on closer examination the original thread clip appears to be a detailed reenactment with the lead car, motorcycles and follow up car visible, and thus my initial thought that it is from The Eternal Flame of 1975 is incorrect, as although they had lots of different footage from at least 17 versions of their reenactment, they did not have these props

    it is clear that the film clip at the beginning of this thread comes from Stones JFK  - which is a compilation of footage both real and re enacted - see from 0.36

    from looking at the clips from the rest of JFK below I would now suggest that original thread clip is part of footage re created by Stone from multiple cameras, angles, heights and locations in the plaza  - see from 1.20

     

  14. I agree this is a re-enactment and although there are limited direct references online I would suggest it is the video component of an art installation entitled The Eternal Flame 

    'The Eternal Frame is an installation which recreates a typical living room space from 1960s America, complete with sofas, standard lamp, carpet and wallpaper. Two sofas are arranged around a television set and the walls are covered with memorabilia relating to American President John F. Kennedy. Produced as a collaboration between two key California collectives of the time, Ant Farm and T.R. Uthco, the video, screened on the television, re-enacts the assassination of President Kennedy in Dallas on 22 November 1963 as a critical examination of the role played by the media in the creation of historical spectacle and myth. The installation takes as its starting point an excerpt from the only filmed record of Kennedy’s assassination: Super-8 footage shot by Abraham Zapruder, a bystander on the parade route. These now iconic few frames of film are transformed in The Eternal Frame into a dark, brutally direct, multi-layered event that is simultaneously a live performance spectacle, a taped re-enactment of the assassination, a mock documentary, and a simulation of the Zapruder film itself. Performed in Dealey Plaza in Dallas — the actual site of the assassination — twelve years after the event, the re-enactment elicits bizarre responses from its spectators, who react to the simulation as though it were the original assassination'

    .https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/t-r-uthco-ant-farm-the-eternal-frame-t138

    I would also suggest it is the source of numerous claims of alterations to the Zapruder film, the existence of other films of the assassination and quotes made about the events of that day 

    further details at

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eternal_Frame

    https://fridaynightboys300.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-zapruder-film-jfk-conspiracies-and.html

    https://aksioma.org/eternalframe_mediaburn/index.html

    http://www.eai.org/titles/4109

    http://www.artperformance.org/article-23587594.html

    https://arttorrents.blogspot.com/2008/02/ant-farm-eternal-frame-1976.html

     

     

     

     

     

     

  15. I am from the UK

    I have been involved in education since 1989 and have worked across age ranges from primary to postgraduate level in the UK and the Middle East

    Interests include history, cinema, music. politics and the JFK assassination

    Recent ill heath has resulted in free time to actually comment on this site and I have joined

    I am quite well read on the major issues of the case but always willing to learn more

     

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