Pete Mellor

I agree Keven. In view of operatives not recognising autopsy photos as the ones that they recall taking, or on different film type than they recall using, or operatives questioning the morgue furniture, i.e. stirrup head rests, or tiles, phones. In addition to the body arrivals in shipping caskets, body bags and such. I lean strongly to not just pre-autopsy autopsy, but also to pre-morgue morgue, and perhaps pre-pathologists. With so much ambiguity and nefarious actions that night a pre-autopsy hospital is not out of the question. Pre Humes & Boswell did we have Osborne & Lipsey? The mind boggles.

Once again, Greg, utilising the McMahon probe, throws a highly logical alternate spanner into the workings of the Tippit case.

I find Angleton's inferences in relation to 'Executive Action' that the Soviets term 'wet jobs' being a bit rich. When he related the killing of Tom Mboya I was waiting for the interviewer to jump in with questions on Dag Hammarskjold, Patrice Lumumba, Allende in Chile, or Sukarno in Indonesia etc., etc. Angleton speaking of a 'Wilderness of Mirrors' is a subject which he was an expert with. Long time since I've heard those chimes of Thames T.V., now defunct.

Yes, I include this photograph when I give my presentations to U3A groups in the U.K. (I am speaking at another tomorrow, Monday 8th April). So, If the pathologists at Bethesda were instructed in the morgue by higher ranks in the gallery, as per Fink's under oath testimony at the Shaw trial, to not investigate/dissect the throat area, then...who, what, when and where caused 'the butcher job'?

Sadly our Frank is no longer with us. Passing some 15 years back due to cancer. A native of Manchester U.K., real name Chris Sievey, only really popular in the NW of England. I found his shows, yes, a real hoot. With his glove puppet called 'little Frank' complete with same head. Such an eccentric local legend in Timperley Gtr., Manchester, when he died penny-less, his funeral was paid by fans and then they commissioned a statue erected in Timperley in his memory. However, we digress. Back to the not so funny big heads.

Because we need to get to the bottom of this case.

😊Not sure Frank was known Stateside Ben.

I have never seen anything, or anyone, in these kinds of photographic blow-up Rorschach tests. Interesting though they may be. However testimonies from Bowers of 'a commotion behind the fence' or Holland etc/Hill seeing smoke from the trees, the Willis photo showing smoke, Arnold hitting the ground after a gunshot whizzed past his ear, Yarborough smelling gunpowder, Summers stopped on the knoll by man with overcoat and gun, DPD Smith confronted by fake S.S. man & also smelled gunpowder, Hargis who met Roscoe White behind the knoll, Hoffman's sightings from the freeway, Newman's "the shot came from the garden behind." Plus the impressions of men in the S.S. follow-up car & other witnesses.....certainly no smoke without fire.

Robert, check out the thread 'Death Stare photo cannot be in Bethesda Morgue' on page two of the Forum lists, particularly the piece written by Allan Eaglesham. It's not just the open eyes that's odd. I believe the entire Bethesda shell game was totally fraudulent.

Sandy, with the differing times reported for the commencement of JFK's autopsy, the multi arrivals of caskets, the two morgues, the ambiguities of film & x-ray evidence, the brain(s) ("it fell out in my hand"), the non requirement for a scull cap ("surgery to the head area"), the Pitzer film, the completed x-rays prior to the arrival of the grey navy ambulance with Jackie & RFK, the estimated 60 degree shallow back wound etc., etc. The only thing I can take from the fraudulent goings on at Bethesda is that JFK's assassination was a military coup d'etat.

Nice one! I'm sure a few members of DPUK would be up for a signed copy shipped over to England. Books + p/p paid.

Gotcha Denise, cheers.

Vince, will you be shipping out signed copies?

Always found it amusing how Smith hung onto the radio phone like it was a rugby ball in the press car, preventing AP reporter Jack Bell from getting a scoop.

Rick Russo & Brooks LaPlante were linked with DPUK yesterday by Zoom for FOUR hours! There was so much info to take in, I need to listen to the whole thing again myself. When the recording gets loaded onto You Tube I will link it here. Strongly recommend revisiting this thread & to put four hours aside with pad & paper to take notes. Very profound research by Brooks & Rick that clears up a large amount of the Bethesda smoke & mirrors.

David's thread, 'Death Stare photo cannot be in Bethesda Morgue' highlights just one of the mysteries of events that various witnesses have given in testimonies. How do we reconcile the drawing of the Bethesda morgue attributed to Rydberg, with the one sketched by Jim Jenkins? How are we to understand the supposed autopsy photographs that shows a stirrup headrest, or the location of a telephone, or tiles that do not match the memories of participants? How to explain the time discrepancies of when caskets, ornate, shipping or wooden were delivered to the morgue, by different personnel, or different arrival locations, or the differing times documented for the arrival of the body as well as the commencement of JFK's autopsy? How can we explain how an autopsy photographer can claim that existing autopsy photographs were not taken by him and were shot on totally different type film than he recalled using? How to explain photographers who took pictures of the body prior to any Y incision, with others of post incision? How to explain Dennis David's statements of seeing Pitzer's film of JFK's autopsy when he was not seen in the morgue? How can we explain the various sightings of the grey navy ambulance arriving, seen by Bethesda naval staff who were aware of JFK's body already in the morgue? Just a few of the strange samples of evidence we have learned over the years. The answer my friend is no longer blowin' in the wind. The answer gives further proof of a coup d'etat in '63. There were TWO morgues that were utilised for JFK's autopsies in Bethesda. The Rydberg drawing is of the old morgue at Bethesda. In the summer of '63 in a separate part of the hospital a new morgue was put in use, sketched by Jenkins.

Look forward to your thread Denny. Very intriguing topic.

I'm reading 'A.A.' at present. Always been agnostic on 'Badgeman' & Roscoe White. However, co-authors J. Gary Shaw & Brian Edwards are sound investigators. The book points to White being part of an ONI assassination team, his code name Mandarin on three cables sent by a 'C. Bowers' with acronym 'OSHA', interpreted as Office of Special Handling Assignments. With each message indicating 'RE-rifle'. Up to a point, (I'm only half way through the book) it is an interesting story, although not completely sold on the Tippit claims. Interested to hear from Denny or others who have read Admitted Assassin for their thoughts.

Let's be fair Denis, there was a hefty mud pack smeared over the facts of this case within hours of Kennedy's assassination by the likes of J. Edgar & various other government administrations, continued in the following months by the Warren Commission. As for the 26 volumes, they cost me £1000, yet I've learned more factual information on this case from private researchers than from those Warren tomes. Why CT's want to cover up the truth? Do you not also think that those who fully concur with the Warren verdicts on Oswald, 3 shots, Ruby, no conspiracy etc., also cover up the truth? (Whatever the truth is.)

Nice work Denis. Were the two guys on the knoll steps with Hudson ever identified? Did he take the lead role in Blazing Saddles?

Very interesting comments Greg. I do think that the events at Tenth & Patton were as contentious as Dealey Plaza. As for McMahon's presentation, the two parts lasted over four hours and I missed a couple of small sections. I do need to repeat Part II, especially the Markham gang stuff. I would really like to read the Garrison article too. So far I'm not sure what to make of McMahon's research, but I'm past the point of being surprised by anything in this case.

& D.P.U.K.'s recorded Zoom with Gavan McMahon (Part 2)

D.P.U.K.'s recorded Zoom with Gavan McMahon (Part 1)

Shop floor operatives perhaps, but not upper office management.

Australian researcher Gavan McMahon, a retired law enforcement officer, recently had a 60 page article printed in November 2023 in the 'Garrison' journal Issue 15. McMahon has held interviews with surviving family members of Helen Markham and William Scoggins who have given statements that both Markham & Scoggins were planted witnesses for the arrest of Oswald at 10th & Patton. William Scoggins, was previously paid by Ruby to recommend the Carousel club to his taxi pick-ups. According to his grandson Ken, who was told by his father that Scoggins was contacted by a Ruby associate and instructed to be at 10th & Patton that day, no reason given. Scoggins always took his lunch break at his home, but on the 22nd took his lunch to work with him so he could eat his sandwiches during his lunch break at the Oak Cliff location. He told family that he saw two men running from the Tippit killing in two different directions. At the time, Scoggins was warned that if he told what happened he would disappear. Later, for his silence, he was rewarded with a high paid job with General Dynamics. Today, (2nd March) Dealey Plaza U.K. held a four hour recorded Zoom conference with McMahon, soon to be loaded onto D.P.U.K.'s You Tube channel. Other McMahon articles on his research are soon to be loaded on D.P.U.K.'s web pages.